E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Subscribe: electric-dreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: electric-dreams-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Subscribe Online: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electric-dreams o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Volume #9 Issue #8 August 2002 ISSN# 1089 4284 o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Download a cover for this issue! http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o C O N T E N T S ++ Editor's Notes ++ The Global Dreaming News Events - Updates - Reviews - More From Peggy Coats - www.DreamTree.com ++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange By Lucy Gillis ++ Article: The Art of Dreaming By Linda Lane Magallón Special Section : Inside the DreamWheel ++ Article: "Precarious Moments" A DreamWheel Session Transcript By Phyllis Howing and Richard C. Wilkerson ++ Article: John Herbert's Pioneering Online Research and Dream Groups By Richard Wilkerson D R E A M S S E C T I O N : Volume #503 - #527 With Elizabeth Westlake and Harry Bosma D E A D L I N E : August 11th deadline for July 2002 submissions XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Send Dreams and Comments on Dreams to: Richard Wilkerson Send Dreaming News and Calendar Events to: Peggy Coats Send Articles and Subscription concerns to: Richard Wilkerson: o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Editor's Notes o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Welcome to the August 2002 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to dreams and dreaming online. If you are new to dreams and dreaming, please join us on dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the resources you need. To join send an e to dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com As you probably noticed last month, the Dream Section looked, well, ~fantastic~. Why? Because we have a new Dream Section Editor, Elizabeth Westlake! If you have dreams you want published, don't send them to her directly, but rather enter them in the form at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple Or you can put them in the dream flow directly by subscribing to: dream-flow-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Our news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has gathered dreaming news from around the world. In the Global Dreaming News you will find the latest dream and dreamwork events, conferences, and seminars. Also you will find research and research requests for subject, updates on your favorite dream websites, book reviews and more. If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy, send them to her at web@dreamtree.com Special notes: The PsiberDreaming Conference will take place online from Monday, September 23, 2002 through Sunday, October 6, 2002. Do you have trouble achieving lucidity? In this month's Excerpts from the Lucid Dream Exchange, Anne Masterson describes her Shaman Journey, a technique that she has had great success with when lucid dreaming seemed elusive. Ready for something different? Linda Lane Magallón wants to know, why have uncreative, whimpy dreams when you can work and play with the dream artist and have masterpieces! Be sure to read more about this in The Art of Dreaming. The DreamWheel is an online dreamgroup that evolved out the early days of Electric Dreams. In fact, Electric Dreams was a dream sharing group exclusively at first. Over time, we added new things to the process and tried various venues such as bulletin board, straight e-mail, chat rooms and the like before setting with listserv e-discussion group format. Though generally private, once a year we ask the permission of a group to publish a full transcript of process (with all names anonymous) to promote dream sharing online and further the Dream Movement in general. However, while the main structure is somewhat fixed, each new moderator adds his or her own style and each group will make every session unique. And so we continue each year offering you different and new transcripts. This year, with the permission of the 2002 DreamWheel group, Phyllis Howing has put together a transcript of a group titled "Precarious Moments." I think you will agree, this is a treasure for researchers, for those interested in developing their own groups, and for all of us in terms of sharing the dreamwork process with one another for our personal growth. Many thanks and deep appreciation to the "Precarious Moments" group! Also, many thanks to Phyllis Howing, not only for collecting and putting this transcript together, but also her pioneering work with the DreamWheels over the years. Just where did the DreamWheel come from? Well, it's a long story and each time I publish a transcript I try to give a little more about the early development of the DreamWheel. This year I am including an article on John Herbert, Ph.D., as he deeply influenced the current structure of group and has provided supporting research on the benefits and advantages of online dreamwork. Be sure to read "John Herbert's Pioneering Online Research and Dream Groups" by Richard Wilkerson. Our cover artist this month is Kevin Wilson Artist Statement/Bio: "I became interested in my dreams about two years ago when one morning I woke up believing I had contracted a life threatening disease during the night. The actual dream was a familiar school classroom dream where I was around ten years old again and sitting at my desk listening to the teacher. The teacher was asking the class some questions, after a few routine "what is five multiplied by ten" questions she suddenly asked if anyone in the class had the HIV virus. I turned around and was shocked to see that all the kids in the classroom, as well as the teacher, had raised their hands. I therefore thought to myself if everyone in the class has it, I must have it to. As I reluctantly began to raise my hand, I woke up from the dream. "The dream had such an influence on me that I was traumatised on waking. For at least five minutes after waking up, I was dazed and confused and actually believed that I had contracted HIV from my dream. I became fascinated with the fact that a dream could have such an influence over me and cause me so much distress. Ever since then I have transcribed most of my dreams (especially distressful ones) and then attempted to "photograph" or digitally recreate the feelings and emotions evoked by these anxiety dreams. My website at http://www.insomnium.co.uk/ shows a selection of such images all of which have been inspired by my dreams and anxieties. I have also written an ebook to accompany the website which contains dream inspired writing and poetry. "If you would like to contact me about the images on my website or even about dreams in general, please feel free to email me at mrkevinwilson@netscape.net Many of the images on my website are available to purchase as high quality photographic prints. Both the prints and my ebook can be purchased online using Paypal. The front cover: "I imagine somewhere in the world there is a warehouse or a building which receives everybody's dreams. In this building every person in the world is represented by a TV. When a person falls asleep and starts to dream their TV switches on and you can see what they are dreaming. When they wake up their TV switches off. Basically then, we can all watch each others' dreams, just like switching channels on a remote but a lot more interesting than normal TV - Dream TV I suppose. I've always wanted to watch my dreams on TV, or video them during the night and watch them consciously in the morning. I also like the idea of been able to watch someone else's dream on a TV as it unfolds" We don't send the cover with the e-zine, but you can view, download and print up a copy anytime at: http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers/ -------------------- For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to stop by one of the many resources: http://www.dreamtree.com http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library -------------------- Next Month: Dream Psi Special issue. Deadline for articles, Aug 10th. Send to rcwilk@dreamgate.com -Richard Wilkerson /////////////////////////////////////////////////////// <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S August 2002 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats, pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at http://www.dreamtree.com/News/global.htm. This Month's Features: NEWS - CANOE-CAMPING DREAMQUEST ADVENTURE: AUG. 11-18, 2002 - New ebooklet on dreams - Kathleen Sullivan Dream Art Workshop Aug 17 - ASD Psi Dreaming Conference - Online Sept 23 - Oct 6 - ASD Regional Conference, November 2 & 3 - Orinda, CA WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES - Kevin Wilson's Dream Art - ASD Dream Inspired Art Galleries online DREAM CALENDAR for August- 2002 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< N E W S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>> CANOE-CAMPING DREAMQUEST ADVENTURE: AUG. 11-18, 2002 Imagine paddling across a sheet of sparkling liquid diamond by day, tanning peacefully to a gentle dip-and-swing paddling rhythm. Then, imagine the wilderness laughter call of loons at sunset and the welcome, gentle wafting aroma of campfire stir-fry, while you discover, by night, how to navigate the tandem inner world of dreams. Adventurers can expect flat-water paddling, a few short portages, waterfall lunch-stops, and a good possibility of loons, moose, deer, beavers, otters, muskrats, mink, and other wildlife (which often includes members of the camping party once the fetters of society are removed). A flexible paddling/camping schedule allows for stargazing, saunas, and learning proven techniques for remembering, sharing and understanding dreams, for stimulating lucid dreams, and for consciously enhancing fun and fulfillment in waking life. FOR MORE INFORMATION, see: http://www.algonquincanada.com/dreamquest RESERVATIONS can be made on-line or by calling: 800-953-EDGE >>>> New ebooklet: Understanding Your Dreams How to Correct 50 assumptions that keep us from understanding our dreams… and our lives! by Ron Masa, Ph.D. Why are dreams so hard to understand? We view them through assumptions that fit our waking life... while dreams play by mystical rules. Making that shift from Rational rules to Mystical rules 1) Helps us understand the language of dreams and 2) Teaches us to see our waking life from the viewpoint of the soul! This is a primary purpose of dreams. Explore the dreamworld with Dr Ron Masa's playfully profound summary of many years experience with dreams. You can read a free sample of the ebook and purchase it at: http://www.UniversityofYourself.com/dream.html >>>>August Workshop Offering from Kathleen Sullivan, author of Recurring Dreams and radio talk show host of Dreams, Another Way of Knowing. Dream Art Workshop, August 17th, 2002, Santa Cruz, CA. 9:00 to 5:00. Cost-$85 The focus of this day is to discuss, explore and create images of the Feminine Principle as seen in dreams and experienced as an inner spycho/spiritual dynamic. Participants will have the options of clay, collage, paint or drawing to creatively explore the Feminine in a beautiful rural setting in the California hills between Santa Cruz and Watsonville. Call Hannah Dalbey at 831-722-1892 for reservations and directions. >>>>>>>> ASD Psi Dreaming Conference Online http://www.asdreams.org/psi2002/ The PsiberDreaming Conference will take place from Monday, September 23, 2002 through Sunday, October 6, 2002. Online Participation Costs for both weeks (no one week rate): General Public $30 ASD Members $25 Students with valid ID $15 (no additional ASD discount) Participants who register and pay by August 31st will get an additional $5 off their registration fees. We will need to find an easy and secure way for participants to pay for the conference online. I've kept the price low to make it as affordable as possible for a worldwide audience to attend, and as we can not exactly guarantee an even level of high-quality this first time out, to make sure that most if not all attendees feel that they get good value for their money, where they leave with a positive feeling about ASD even if the conference has more than a few 'bugs' or features that do not make it through. We will also solicit donations form ASD members and other sources to support this conference. As Rita pointed out, this seems an opportunity for a community outreach on a worldwide level to dreamers who can not attend waking physical reality ASD conferences. We need to emphasize the potential altruistic nature of the enterprise to prospective donors. Presenters and Volunteers (who work a minimum of ten hours before or during the conference) will get 'free admission' privileges. Presenters will provide us with a title for their presentation by July 20th or earlier, and the paper/workshop text and graphics by August 17th, 2002. Presenters will either provide a biography for posting on the members page, or we will put one together for them. Bio's should especially mention fields of expertise or of notoriety, describe the authors books, and website links of interest to participants. Contact: "E. W. Kellogg III, Ph.D." >>>>>>>> ASD Regional Conference - Bay Area - November 2 & 3 http://www.asdreams.org/2002orinda/ NOVEMBER 2-3: ORINDA, CA: Dreaming Beyond Borders: Transformative Power Of Dreams. Co-sponsored with the Dream Studies Program at John F. Kennedy University. Program and hosts, Fariba Bogzaran and Steve Smith. The presenters include: Emily Anderson, Greg Bogart, Fariba Bogzaran, Kelly Bulkeley, Chuck and Shirl Coburn, Gayle Delaney, Daniel Deslauriers, Loma Flowers, Patricia Garfield, Ray Greenleaf, Ken Kelzer, Dave Pleasant, Alan Siegel, David Skippens, Steve Smith, Jeremy Taylor and more to be announced! Some of the planned presentations include: Dream Charms from around the World, Private Dreams and Public Nightmares: the Case of September 11, Dream Interviewing, and many others Registration fees for the two-day conference are: One-day registration for either Saturday, November 2 or Sunday, November 3 is $125/$100 General/ASD Member and $75/$60 Student/ASD Student Member. Registration fees for the full weekend conference are $225/$180 General/ASD Member and $135/$110 Student/ASD Student Member. Several of the presentations/workshops are planned for Continuing Education credit with Sunday, November 3 being slated primarily as the "CE" day. More information to follow. For more information, contact the ASD Information Office at 925- 258-1822 or Dream Studies Program at JFKU at 925/258-7322. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< W E B S I T E & O N L I N E U P D A T E S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a public projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes to the links page to us. >>>>> Kevin Wilson's Dream Art http://www.insomnium.co.uk/index.htm Kevin Wilson's collection of dream inspired photos, videos, Flash movies and more. >>>>>>> ASD Dream Inspired Art Galleries Online By the way, the Association for the Study of Dreams just ended their 19th Annual International Conference. You can see the abstracts as well as the dream inspired art show and dream telepathy contest winners at http://www.asdreams.org/2002 The dream inspired Art Exhibit is also online: http://www.asdreams.org/2002 http://www.asdreams.org/2001 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< D R E A M C A L E N D A R August 2002 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Aug 9-11 in San Rafael, CA. "Introduction to Group Dream Work", a weekend seminar with Jeremy Taylor. For more information, contact the Marin Institute for Projective Dream Work, at 415.454.2793. August 10 in Orinda, CA Summer BADG Meeting with JFKU Dream Studies Students If you Are interested in attending and are not yet a BADG member, contact Eric Snyder at esnyder@sonic.net. Aug 17th, 2002, Santa Cruz, CA. 9:00 to 5:00. Cost-$85 Kathleen Sullivan Dream Art Workshop. Call Hannah Dalbey at 831-722-1892 for reservations and directions. o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange By Lucy Gillis o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o For those who may be having difficulty achieving lucidity or for those who'd like to try something a little different, Anne Masterson describes her Shaman Journey, a technique that she has had great success with when lucid dreaming seemed elusive. SHAMAN JOURNEY (c) Anne Masterson After several years of working with lucid dreaming with small success, I changed my focus and concentrated upon shaman journey. The journey is more natural for me to accomplish and provides a lucid projection of consciousness. I can physically be awake and aware of my physical surroundings, and aware of all the detail unfolding within the journey. I have noticed however, that if I am interrupted by someone, in the middle of a journey that I come slamming back into my body, and tremble for a while after the startled disruption. The journey takes on its own life. I can never predict how a journey will unfold, although I can set specific intentions to open non-ordinary pathways. Quite literally the shaman journey is "beyond my wildest dreams..." The shaman journey is conducted via the resonance of a steady drumbeat-- either a live drum or a recording -- although the live drum music seems to work best. The drumbeats change the brainwave patterns to theta and the journey begins. The drum carries the consciousness into non-ordinary reality. I am aware of both the non-ordinary journey and my ordinary physical reality. I am not asleep. I become a walker between worlds. I must set a specific intention in order to enter a journey, otherwise I just lay there and nothing happens except the drumbeat. The intention creates a purpose, opens a pathway and the journey unfolds before me. I never know what will happen within a journey or how it might unfold, however I can make decisions within the journey in consultation with my journey-dream characters. The journey characters are personal guides through the terrain of non-ordinary reality. The characters within my non- ordinary reality are familiar with these realms. The characters assist me to maneuver through complex terrain. After two years of practice I now have five eccentric people characters and five animal characters that show up in journeys when their particular talent is helpful. (I started the journey process with one animal guide. The other characters emerged from journey practice and specific intentions). The journey characters reveal information or techniques to assist me within the journey. The journeys seem to evolve over time and practice. A growth in consciousness provides more ability within the journey. A recent journey revealed a new technique: observing and participating in five (that number keeps occurring) probable realities simultaneously. The journey begins. I am seated on a plateau that overlooks a 360- degree vista. My main journey character sits with me. He never verbally speaks. We watch a spectacular sunset. The guide indicates to me through telepathic images, that I am to allow the busy thoughts of the day to be consumed within the setting sun (which always seems to be in constant sunset mode in my journeys). I feel the tension ease away from my physical body Suddenly something totally different happens. Four other frames open. I am in all of the frame scenes simultaneously. I am with different journey characters in each frame, dealing with various topics. I'm aware of what happens in each frame and can process the information simultaneously. The first main frame serves as an overview. From the main frame I watch the sunset with one guide and I also observe myself in the other frames that open. At the same time, I'm aware of myself participating in the activities that occur within the other frames. I continue to watch the sunset with my main guide from the main frame. In the second frame I have a female relationship-guide providing advice I requested about a particular individual. In the third frame, I receive a thorough treatment from two healing guides. In the fourth frame, a diva/goddess character indicates information about prosperity and abundance. In the fifth frame, a shape shifter character - he changes from a person into a crow and back again. He informs me he will continue to assist me in my sleep to clear away some negative patterns I had taken upon myself while shamanicly assisting a relative who recently passed away, to find his way to a more peaceful mental place). The first frame remains open. I remain seated with my main guide watching the sunset. The other frames close. Telepathically, my main guide relays the information that the frame technique can be used in journeys for myself or for other people. Linear time is bypassed. I may experience several frames of reference simultaneously. All I need is specific intention to open the frames. The journey ends. Note: * The journey took me longer to write than the amount of time spent in the journey. * The frame technique continues to occur in some journeys but not all journeys. I find the frame method happens when I have a lot of questions or intentions, either for myself or when I do a journey for someone else. * I literally save time because I may do several things in one journey via the multiple frames. * The multiple frame technique has transferred to physical reality regarding problem solving and decisions. I see several probable solutions simultaneously. Prior to the journey techniques my thought process was more linear. Anne can be reached at: masterson_anne@hotmail.com ******** The Lucid Dream Exchange is a quarterly newsletter featuring lucid dreams and lucid dream related articles, poetry, interviews, and book reviews. To subscribe to The Lucid Dream Exchange send a blank email to: TheLucidDreamExchange-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or join through the Yahoo Groups website at http://www.groups.yahoo.com The LDE can be found under Sciences>Social Sciences>Psychology>Sleep and Dreams. o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o The Art of Dreaming 2002 Linda Lane Magallón o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o The paint from my brush dripped onto the tarp at my feet. Then, as I moved the ladder to another position along the wall, the tarp folded back on itself while the paint was still wet. When I straightened out the tarp, the liquid in the crease had formed an interesting symmetrical design atop still other colored spots. The entire tarp was a history of splattered paint from many different wall painting projects. I could have examined the tarp like a Rorschach Inkblot Test, trying to find patterns in the paint, like kids look for animals in the clouds or constellations among the stars in the night sky. And perhaps I could have played connect-the-dots with my paint brush, embellishing the design in a deliberate way. The end result would have been quite creative. But is it art? Well, yes, of a sort, but I wouldn't put the tarp imagery into the same category as art planned ahead of time. Art involves a conscious decision. Even a decision to be random (like flinging paint at a canvas) is a conscious decision. Allowing impulse or intuition to direct the brush is a conscious decision. A disciplined artist is one who has spent time learning the skills, the techniques, the theories and applications that allow paint to adhere to canvas in a way that best expresses in an outer manner what comes from the inside of self. The art of dreaming involves a conscious decision somewhere along the line. You might react after the fact, recalling and recording your dreams, trying to find patterns in the imagery through dream interpretation techniques. Or embellishing the original production with creative dreamwork. Or perhaps even translating your dream into a physical product. But the process takes a quantum leap when the canvas of the mind is prepared before you go to sleep. When you set up the canvas at "I" level, you have a better opportunity to discover recognizable forms. You don't have to stand, looking down at the puddle at your feet, scratching your head and wondering, "What does that mean?" Now you know what the painting is likely to be about, because you suggested a subject the night before. You incubated a dream. But you can't congratulate yourself alone if you actually get something in response. The production of a dream requires the cooperation of the dreaming self. Is the inner self an artist? She certainly can draw some interesting sketches and amazing wall murals that we call "dreams." But are these flashes of imagery from the unconscious true art? I think it depends on how lively her type of consciousness is. As there is a difference between the spontaneous finger painting of a child and the structured oil painting of an trained artist, so there is a range of artistic productions that our minds can create. Sometimes the artist within seems to paint in a deliberate way, creating ordered coherence. Other times, we are blessed with the randomness of fractal beauty. I honor all the productions of my dreaming self, but I now realize my responsibility in her efforts. Without my deliberate intervention, she must make do with whatever found-objects she uncovers in the pile of day residue that I dump into my mind processing system. The inner artist can paint without my outer help. As an outer artist, I can ignore her inner promptings. But when the two of us cooperate, the true art of dreaming starts to flourish. And the results of collaborative effort can be extraordinary. It's such an easy and enjoyable process, I don't know why more people don't take advantage of the situation. It really is a hidden treasure. Of all the sorts of creativity I've attempted, the art of dreaming is surely one with the quickest results, because you partner with an experienced artist. The dreaming self has already had a lifetime to practice painting pictures of the inner world. What you do is bring new ideas and richer media to the meeting of minds. Even if you should enter the dream and become one with your dreaming self, the dreaming self does most of the work. The result of your collaboration is twofold. You get extraordinary dreams, to do with as you please. But the benefit for your dreaming self is immeasurably richer. When you feed her with nutritious energy, she can live a vibrant existence in the dream. Not only do the both of you become more creative, you become more healthy. When the inner and outer cooperate, you experience, first hand, more healthy and creative lives. And when you don't cooperate? Have you ever woken from a dream feeling upset, fatigued, conflicted, confused or frightened? How about puzzled and perplexed? That's a common reaction when the two of you are at loose ends. You have a choice. You can try to puzzle out the conflict, using dreamwork interpretation techniques. You can attempt to change the troubled scenario, using dream control. You can do both, and more. You can stop living life as it is and co-create a better life. You can recover and discover and uncover the hidden potential of the art of dreaming. And what is the hidden treasure? The ways that dreams serve our waking needs? Well, yes, but if that's all you look for, you're missing the point. As I say, the art of dreaming is a cooperative venture. The art of dreaming also asks, "What are the needs of my dreaming self?" "What does the dream mean...to her?" "What sort of life does she live that may have nothing to do with my waking existence?" "What happens when I put aside my expectation of her compliance and ask her for her own opinion?" Then you launch yourself into the adventure within the extraordinary dream. And you're more likely to be welcomed if you come bearing gifts instead of garbage, when you offer dialogue instead of demands. Then, you'll not only find a fellow artist; you'll discover a lost friend. Linda Lane Magallón, Dream Flights http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/flying/dreams.html © 2002 Linda Lane Magallón o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o "Precarious Moments" A DreamWheel Session Transcript by Phyllis Howing and Richard C. Wilkerson o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Transcript online at http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed- articles/phyllis_howing_2002_aug_precarious_moments.htm Introduction What follows is a complete transcript of a recent session from the DreamWheel, an e-mail based online dream sharing group that has been in continuous operation since 1995. DreamWheel members take turns presenting dreams for the group to work with, following guidelines established by John Herbert. In the first phase of the process members send questions for the dreamer to help clarify what happened in the dream and what thoughts and feelings accompanied those events during the dream. Then the comment phase begins, in which members take the dream as their own and send their comments to the group in the form of "If this were my dream...", to which the dreamer is then welcome to respond. All participants in the session have graciously agreed to have their contributions reprinted here under pen names, so that others may see how the process works. We thank them all, especially "Jennifer," whose "Precarious Moments" made this sharing possible. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Question Phase Begins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Moderator(Phyllis Hello DreamWheelers! Thanks to [members who participated in the previous dream session]. ...now let's take a look at Jennifer's dream, "Precarious Moments." Take a deep breath first. Below is the schedule and the instructions for this phase and then the dream. Please glance over the instructions, scroll down to the dream, and then send your questions to the DreamWheel: dreamwheel@yahoogroups.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Instructions: Asking questions of the dreamer: In this phase of the process you may ask the dreamer questions about the dream that may clarify the images of the dream. Do not ask questions that call for interpretations or that ask for material outside of the dream itself. The aim is to get to know the dream well AND also to allow for the maximum number of possible meanings being generated. Clarifying Questions: > >Example: If this were the DREAM: "He turned around and grabbed Bill's jacket away from me."You can ask: 1. Questions about the details of any aspect of the dream AS they appeared IN the dream, for example: a. (feeling details) How did you feel (in the dream) when he grabbed Bill's jacket? b. (action details) Can you describe exactly how he grabbed Bill's jacket (eg where was he in relation to you; what movement did he make; what movement did you make)? c. (content details) What kind of jacket was it? How were you holding the jacket? Where were you when he grabbed the jacket? 2. Questions about how any "real" people or places in the dream differed from their "real" presentation in daytime life, for example: a. (who/what was recognisable) Who is the "he" that grabbed the jacket? Do you know him? Is the place where this happened to you recognisable? b. (how does the "familiar" differ) Was Bill's jacket the same in the dream as in your daytime life? If not, how was it different in the dream? 3. Questions about what a person/object/action etc means for the dream ego. You can ask something like: "What would the dream (plus name) have thought of the person/object/action etc". This makes sure that the emphasis remains on the dream and the dream ego rather than switching it to the daytime ego (who may have very different views upon the matter!). **Please DON'T ask interpretation questions or questions about material OUTSIDE of the dream itself. For example AVOID questions like: Why do you think he grabbed your jacket? (though you might ask if any reasons went through your head during the dream.) Did you know that jackets represent symbols of appearance issues? Do you often have men grabbing your clothes in dreams? What does standing behind someone mean to you? Send questions to the dreamer via the whole group at . Dreamers in reply: If and when you reply to the questions, do so only to clarify the dream. Try to avoid interpretations at this point. If it is not clear from the dream how to answer a question, simply say it was not clear. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Dream ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jennifer's dream: "Precarious Moments" I step into an elevator and push the button to go down to the first floor. I get to the first floor, and the doors open. There is an oldlady standing there who has been waiting for the elevator. We notice that the elevator carriage has stopped not parallel to the floor, so I would have to step up about a foot and a half to get out. I press the first floor button again, hoping that the elevator will adjust itself. Instead of adjusting, the elevator carriage begins to fall. As it falls, I grab onto the walls, trying to hang on. It falls to the end of the elevator track and a little beyond. The elevator only stops because it's connected to the ceiling with a rope. I am inside the elevator carriage which has no doors, suspended and swinging above an abyss. I look up and can see that the rope is healthy, that it won't snap from my weight and the weight of the carriage. I yell to the old woman to call the fire department for help so they can rescue me. She says OK and tells me to hold on. The elevator carriage is slightly askew, so I could easily fall out if I let go. I am very afraid. I desperately grab on to some rungs inside the carriage to tighten my hold. I don't know how long I can hang on. Finally, the firemen arrive. They drive up to the elevator carriage. I realize that instead of taking me out of the carriage, that they are cutting the rope. I think to myself that these are professionals and know what they're doing, so I should trust their decision. They cut the rope with a knife and I, with the carriage, fall to the first floor with a big thud. I realize that I'm ok and get out of the carriage. I see one of the firemen who rescued me and I want to thank him. He is blonde and very attractive. He smiles and is attracted to me, too. Somehow, we've become a couple and he asks me if I would like to begin working with him in a hand-made jewelry store that is now hiring. The store only wants to hire a couple. I walk with him to the jewelry store. There is a craftsman there (maybe the owner or manager) working on a piece of jewelry. He gives us both applications to fill out for the job. I fill out the application (it asks for my name, gender, address, phone number, etc.). After filling it out, we walk into an adjoining room. There is a pool there filled with sharks (like an aquarium). Part of the job requires that we swim in the pool with the sharks, maybe to feed or care for them. I'm somehow already in the pool under water and there are a couple of other girls who already work there. One of them is feeding a shark a chunk of red meat with her hand. I'm a little worried for her because of the shark's hunger; I'm worried that it could unintentionally bite her hand or fingers off. But she doesn't seem to be worried at all and even playfully teases the shark with the meat (which, with each bite, is getting smaller and smaller). Somehow we are able to breathe and talk under water because she is laughing and joking with the other girl while she feeds the shark. I understand that these are friendly sharks, but even so, they are sharks by species and by nature. For that reason, I can't relax, knowing that there may still remain some kind of dangerous, primordial reflex. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Fawn Cool dream..I have a few questions, and may send more. Are there any particular colors associated with the elevator? Does it seem familiar to you? Do you know anything about the building you are in? Can you describe the old lady in more detail and tell us any feelings you may have around her? When you realise the rope is going to be cut, do you immediately trust the decision or do you keep doubting that it will work and fear for your safety? Can you describe the fireman/boyfriend in more detail? Does he remind you of anyone from waking life? Any feelings toward the girl feeding the shark? How about the shark itself...how do you feel toward the shark? Are you in any danger of the shark yourself? Can you remember any sensations associated with being underwater? With breathing underwater? Is the fireman still around during the shark part of the dream? Thanks for sharing, looking forward to trying this dream on. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Scott Eagle Greetings --Interesting dream. I have some questions... Q: Do you know where the elevator was... in a building you recognize? Q: What does the old lady look like, and what is she wearing? Q: Do you know what floor number you were on? Q: You say [the elevator] has no doors, but before that a door opened... how did the elevator change? Q: Did your feeling of fear continue when you awoke? How did you feel on waking? Q: "...I realize that I'm ok and get out of the carriage." Did you speak to the firemen at this point? What did you say? Q: What has become of the old woman? Q: Where is this jewelry store? Do you recognize the neighborhood? Q: "...I fill out the application (it asks for my name, gender, address, phone number, etc.). Did you fill it out with your real world address information, or something else? Q: What else do you remember about the owner? What type of jewelry is he working on? Q: "...Part of the job requires that we swim in the pool with the sharks, maybe to feed or care for them. I'm somehow already in the pool under water and there are a couple of other girls who already work there." Where is the fireman when this happens? Q: Do you recognize the meat used in any way? Q: How big are the sharks? How many sharks are there? Thank you, I will enjoy working with your dream and telling you what it might mean if it were my dream. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Astra Hi Jennifer: Here are my questions on this interesting dream. Astra What is the expression on the old woman's face? Can you describe the fall and the impact of the evator? Can you describe the fireman you are attracted to in more detail, characteristics that you like, what he reminds you of, etc.? Do you see and can you describe the piece of jewelry that the craftsman is working on? What are your duties in the jewelry besides feeding the sharks? Where is the fireman when you get into the pool? How do you feel in breathing under water? What is the third girl doing? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Jennifer> Greetings --Howdy! > Q: Do you know where the elevator was... in a building you recognize? Yes. The building appears to be the one that I work in part-time. It's an office building that is shared by many small companies-- sometimes three or four businesses on each floor. I thinkit's a 12-storey building. > Q: What does the old lady look like, and what is she wearing? Caucasian, short white hair (you know, an old-lady, beauty salon hair-do), thin but not frail (healthy old lady). She seems to be a friendly old crone with a sense of humor and a healthy mind. I don't remember exactly what she's wearing, but I had the impression that it wasn't something out of date. She wasn't "hip", but the clothes were something that she'd probably purchased within the last year or two, and not in and old-lady clothing store (whatever that is). > Q: Do you know what floor number you were on? I'm pretty sure it was the 14th floor. The reason I remember is because I had an extremely significant dream about a year ago about a guru who asked me if I "want(ed) to know the secret?" and that I would "find the answer on the 14th floor". After I had this dream (Precarious Moments), I remembered the guru's words from the previous 14-floor dream. After I had the guru dream, incidentally, I was watching a film called "The Game" and it turns out that Michael Douglas' character returns to the 14th floor and discovers that the company that he thought was a real company never really existed--it was just a facade for a larger "Game" that was playing for him. When I saw that happen in the film, an electric jolt shot up my spine as I realized that the events in my life are really a facade for a larger plot whose constructs and outcome are still beyond my ability to comprehend--that is, until "The Game" is finished. :) > Q: You say [the elevator] has no doors, but before that a door opened... how did the elevator change? The doors that open to the elevator are on each floor--not on the elevator carriage. So, each floor has its own elevator doors. The elevator carriage itself is doorless. > Q: Did your feeling of fear continue when you awoke? How did you feel on waking? I awoke after the shark sequence. I felt unsettled, kind of anxious. > "...I realize that I'm ok and get out of the carriage." Q: Did you speak to the firemen at this point? What did you say? I could hear them talking or understood somehow what they were doing, but I didn't speak to them because they were far from me-- up at the top of the rope. They didn't speak to me either. Only the old woman had spoken to me until this point, and only once, telling me to hang on.> Q: What has become of the old woman? I'm not sure. She probably took another elevator. :) > Q: Where is this jewelry store? Do you recognize the neighborhood? When I get out of the carriage, the scene has changed. There is now earth underneath me instead of a floor. I'm outside. I don't recognize the place, but this didn't seem strange to me in the dream. I'm no longer in a building. I don't recognize the store or any elements of this part of the dream from waking life.> "...I fill out the application (it asks for my name, gender, address, phone number, etc.)." Q: Did you fill it out with your real world address information, or something else? I think I filled in my name, but I don't remember what address I filled in. I just remember that I filled out what I needed to fill out. > Q: What else do you remember about the owner? What type of jewelry is he working on? You know, it's funny. . . your questions trigger images in my mind that seem to come out of nowhere. :) The image that came to me just now was an aquamarine gemstone set in a silver-patina brooch. :) Anyway, this was all hand-made jewelry--very detailed, fine, fine craftsmanship. It's the kind of work that requires a great deal of patience, attention to small details. . . the result being a marriage between something natural (gemstone, silver) and man- made (the detailed setting, the gemstone's facets). He takes something rough from the earth and works on it until it becomes piece of art, brings out the objects' most beautiful aspects. It was detailed enough work that he had to wear one of those magnifying eye-pieces that jewelers and watchmakers wear. > "...Part of the job requires that we swim in the pool with the sharks, maybe to feed or care for them. I'm somehow already in the pool under water and there are a couple of other girls who already work there." Q: Where is the fireman when this happens? He is standing outside of the pool.> Q: Do you recognize the meat used in any way? It seems like steak--like big chunks of beef, red meat. Raw. > Q: How big are the sharks? How many sharks are there? They are almost human-sized, but a little smaller. > Thank you, I will enjoy working with your dream and telling you what it might mean if it were my dream. Thank you for adopting my dream. I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts about it. Sincerely,Jennifer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Jennifer Hi, Scott. I was reading over my response and realized I skipped something. > > Q: How big are the sharks? How many sharks are there? > > They are almost human-sized, but a little smaller. There seem to be two or three sharks. I think there are three. Jennifer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Jennifer Hey, Astra. Thanks for taking my dream. You know what I realized today? "Precarious Moments" is really "Precious Moments" but with an extra "ar" in the middle of the first word. I guess the dream would have been a precious moment except it was so "Arrrrr!" scary. > What is the expression on the old woman's face? The old woman seems to be pretty relaxed and calm about everything--not overly cool, but definitely not the hysterical type. I don't remember her exact facial expression, but the impression I have is that it is event-appropriate, but on the cool and collected side. As I may have mentioned to Scott, she was the type of person who kept her wits about her. [Sorry about switching verb tenses as I write. Sometimes I'm thinking from now, and sometimes I'm thinking as if I'm in the dream.] She strikes me as a person who is pretty balanced between her rational and emotional sides. > Can you describe the fall and the impact of the elevator? You mean after they cut the rope, yes? I remember bracing myself for the impact as it fell. It didn't seem like I was falling for a very long time, but neither was I falling for a very short time. I remember that there was a silence as I fell, and of course, I experienced the "falling dream" sensation. I think I might have curled up into a quasi-fetal position to brace myself for the impact (while still grasping and grabbing for rungs). The impact was significant, but I was more scared than hurt because I didn't know when or how hard I was going to hit the ground, so part of the pain of falling was the anxiety I experienced as I fell. I don't remember that any particular body part was more hurt than any other. > Can you describe the fireman you are attracted to in more detail, characteristics that you like, what he reminds you of, etc.? He's reeeeeally handsome! Light blonde hair (that I think was shoulder length), light blue eyes, tall, muscular build (but not TOO muscular. He probably worked out, but wasn't a body builder.), beautiful face. . . He was also the calm, kind type (strong and silent?)--sensitive, but not over-emotional. I guess he was like the old woman in that sense--balanced between rational and emotional sides. He reminds me of. . . an angel. Or a male supermodel with great depth of character. > Do you see and can you describe the piece of jewelry that the craftsman is working on? Not very well, but I got the impression while writing to Scott today that is was an aquamarine brooch. The piece of jewelry he was working on didn't play as large a role in the dream as his ability to work on it, which was with great skill and patience. > What are your duties in the jewelry besides feeding the sharks? I'm not sure. At this point, it's all that I've found out about the job. Perhaps there is more, but I don't know yet. > Where is the fireman when you get into the pool? Actually, I don't remember physically getting into the pool. I sort find myself in the pool already. I'm under the impression that the fireman is standing beside the pool, but I'm not paying attention to him. > How do you feel in breathing under water? It doesn't seem unusual. > What is the third girl doing? She's joking and laughing with the girl who is feeding the shark. She may be assisting the girl in some way (like handing the first girl meat), but at the time that I see them, the second girl is just beside the first one, not doing anything significant. Just joking and laughing and talking with the first girl. Thank you, Astra! Let me know if you have any more questions. Jennifer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Jennifer Hi, Fawn! Sorry I missed your questions until now. I've been wading through mail and missed your post somehow. Thank you for bearing with me. > Are there any particular colors associated with the elevator? The carriage seems to be a rusty red color--between red and brown. > Does it seem familiar to you? Do you know anything about the building you are in? The building seems to be the one that I work in part time. But in waking life, the building I work in is only 12 floors, and the one in the dream is 14 floors or more. I go down from the 14th floor. > Can you describe the old lady in more detail and tell us any feelings you may have around her? [See responses to Scott and Astra.] As for additional feelings, I think I was glad that there was someone there to call for help, but most of my feelings and thoughts were focused on the predicament I was in. > When you realise the rope is going to be cut, do you immediately trust the decision or do you keep doubting that it will work and fear for your safety? At first, I question (in my mind) if cutting the rope is really the right thing to do. That is my first reaction--my gut reaction. But I reassure myself by reminding myself that they are professionals and that I should trust them. After reminding myself that they are professionals, I trust their decision. I don't feel that I really have a choice anyway. > Can you describe the fireman/boyfriend in more detail? Does he remind you of anyone from waking life? [See response to Astra.] As for reminding me of anyone in waking life, no he doesn't. I don't think I ever met such an attractive guy in waking life. :) I think he's wearing a fireman's uniform. My biggest impression of him was how attractive he was to me. > Any feelings toward the girl feeding the shark? I felt somewhat worried for her. That's about all. I hadn't known her long enough to develop any other feelings, and I didn't have any big impression about her except for the fact that she did such seemingly dangerous work in such a carefree manner. > How about the shark itself...how do you feel toward the shark? I'm worried about the shark--that it has sharp teeth and that it's hungry. I don't feel that I'm in as much danger as the girl who is feeding it since she's the one holding the food. At this point I try to reassure myself that these are friendly sharks or trained ones that are used to being fed and handled by people. Again, I am trying to calm myself from a negative gut reaction, as with the firemen. > Are you in any danger of the shark yourself? I don't think so, but I'm certainly not relaxed. The shark that is eating seems to be focused on the food in the feeder girl's hand and not on me. > Can you remember any sensations associated with being underwater? With breathing underwater? Nothing comes to mind. Nothing seems unusual at all that I am underwater, and that I can breathe there. It seems natural. > Is the fireman still around during the shark part of the dream? Yes. He accompanies me into the room with the sharks, but is not in the pool with me while I'm in the pool. I think he's standing outside the pool, but I don't know exactly what he's doing because he's not in my field of vision and I'm paying attention to the shark feeding that is going on. Thank you for taking this dream, Fawn. I'm looking forward to hearing your experience with it. Sincerely, Jennifer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Message From Lisa Hello. I am a newbee on lists and may not know how this one works. I wouldn't want to unintentionally breach ettiquet … Is it "early" or "late" in this discussion? How long or until when is a given dream up for comment? Is this the way to comment on "precarious Moments"? Jennifer, can you describe the details and colors of the jewlry? What associations do these colors call up for you? Are there finished pieces on display and ready for purchase? How do these pieces feel to the touch? How are they mounted? Are they loose or in combination? Do you have to reply to each email on the list? or just one of them? Am I even replying to the right person? Forgive me I'm a babe in the woods here …Lisa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Moderator Hi Lisa and other newcomers to the DreamWheel. We're midway through Jennifer's "Precarious Moments" dream, and will be moving on from the question phase to the comment phase tomorrow (instructions will come with the comment phase post). Then a new dream will open around next Tuesday. We spend a week on each dream. And no, you don't have to reply to everyone on the list (thank goodness, there are over 200!). Just replying to a message will get it to the whole list. And welcome to the DreamWheel! ~Phyllis (moderator) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Jennifer Hi, Lisa. Welcome to the list. I'll answer your questions so you can go on to participate in the comment phase (where you take the dream as your own) if you wish. > can you describe the details and colors of the jewlry? I received the impression that it was an aquamarine stone set in silver. Aquamarine is a light blue color. > What associations do these colors call up for you? The brooch reminds me of two other elements in the dream: the pool and the fireman's eyes. If one imagines looking down at a swimming pool, it is a light blue color, like an aquamarine. I suppose the silver setting could be like the walls and floor of the pool. As for the fireman's eyes, they also were a light blue color. Also, the words "aquamarine" and "aquarium" are similar--both having to do with water. > Are there finished pieces on display and ready for purchase? How do these pieces feel to the touch? How are they mounted? Are they loose or in combination? No. There aren't any other pieces of jewelry in the store. Thanks for participating!Jennifer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Comment Phase Begins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Moderator Hello DreamWheelers! Guess we're ready to move to the comment phase for Jennifer's dream, "Precarious Moments." Thanks to great questions from Fawn, Scott, Astra, and Lisa, and in-depth responses from Jennifer, we should now be able to take this dream and make it our own. Below is the schedule and the instructions for this phase and then the dream. Please glance over the instructions then scroll down to the dream, read it and send your comments to the DreamWheel at: dreamwheel@yahoogroups.com. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Comment Instructions In this part of the process, you may comment on the dream. While you are welcome to make any comments you wish, what we are teaching in this group is a non-defensive style developed by John Herbert (Montague Ullman stage II Variation) modified for email. This segment is the one in which each group member takes the dream as if it were his or her own and shares feelings and thoughts about the dream and what it might mean in each member's life situation. 1. You can comment on what ANY aspect of the dream means FOR YOU: a. The feelings YOU have about any aspect of the dream or about the whole dream. b. The metaphorical or symbolic meanings FOR YOU of any actions or images in the dream. c. The relationship between any dream images and events and what that relationship means FOR YOU. d. The relationship between all dream images and events as YOU see them (you can change the order of events and images and present them in the way you feel makes most sense to YOU). 2. In your comments make the dream your own: a. At the beginning of all comments use something like: "If this were my dream..." This sets up the general subjective attitude and works as a reminder to the commentators that they are not telling the dreamer what they think the dream means for the dreamer, but rather what the dream might mean for themselves if they had had that dream. b. To further this relationship to the dream write the commentary as if you were talking about your OWN dream happening NOW (use the first person singular and also present tense in your commentary): > > >EXAMPLE: Dream: "I'm looking at my mother walking down a long hall towards an open window." I might comment "In MY dream the nurturing mother has found a new way to escape ME." In my comment, it is "my mother", "my hallway" and "my dream". This may or may not provide insight to the initial dreamer, but it's surprising how often this non-defensive approach does lead to new insights for both the dreamer and the commentator. 3. Send your comments in to the whole group at: dreamwheel@yahoogroups.com Dreamer's Response At the end of the comment phase the dream is returned to its source and the dreamer can reply. The type of reply is entirely up to the dreamer - but some response helps both the commentators and the dreamer. It provides closure for the commentators and helps the dreamer to make what was learned in the process more firmly his/her own. 1. Immediate response: The dreamer gives some IMMEDIATE response. a. The dreamer can indicate what possible new ways of thinking or acting or feeling were opened up by the process of answering the clarifying questions and of reading the comments from others. b. The dreamer may like to indicate what life context the dream seems to be addressing and whether the DreamWheel process revealed new aspects of that context. c. The dreamer may just wish to thank the commentators. 2. Later Response The dreamer can do further work on the dream. He/she may gain new insights connected with the dream: a. through other dreams (which are either consciously incubated or which just arise). b. through insights from the initial DreamWheel process which come after the focus period. c. through some new awareness of their life context. The dreamer can then share his/her insights with others on the DreamWheel AT ANY TIME. Such sharing can help build the dream group as a group. It can also teach us all much more about the interplay of dreams and our daytime lives. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [Note: The dream is repeated here] This is important so that as participants take on the dream as their own, they have the dream immediately available and don't have to search back through a week or two of e-mail. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Scott Eagle Greetings -- If this were my dream, I might like to begin by identifying the symbols in the dream and pondering them a bit. The elevator, the old lady, falling, the fireman, the jewelry, the number 14, an aquamarine gemstone in a brooch, the red meat, and the sharks all stand out to me as I reflect on the dream. Interesting that in the tall building, I break free, but in the next sequence I am more grounded. The first scene is filled with helpers for me, while in the second, I observe others performing unrelated tasks. Firemen wear red... the meat is red. The Fireman's eyes are blue and so is the brooch and the water. It also seems curious to me that the building I know has but 12 floors in reality, has an extra 2 floors in the dream. I conciously relate 14 to a movie, and a previous dream about a guru who spoke of the 14th floor, but I do not recall anything that was on that floor other than the old woman. Next, I think about the people in my dreams and what their significance might be: The old woman, calm and helpful. The handsome fireman who rescues me, then transitions into the next sequence The skilled jeweler who conveniently looks for a couple to hire, and works on a delicate brooch The carefree girl laughingly feeding raw meet to a shark underwater As I think of those people, I first wonder what part of me each one could be? Could the old woman be my inner guide through a time of great transition? Is the fireman another part of myself that pulls me back from bad decisions? Is the jeweler the crafting part of me who both makes things well, and also craftily deals with people? Am I a bit too carefree at times like the girl underwater, and unaware of potential danger? What part of me is the shark? As I usually do, I wish I could reenter the dream and ask each character an important question: The old woman I would ask, "Why are you here for me?" The fireman I would ask, "Why have you come for me?" The jeweler I would ask, "For whom do you make this brooch?" The girl I would ask, "Why do you not fear the shark?" And I think the last question will be very valuable, since when I awake, I still feel the anxiety caused by the shark. It is a worry about the hunger of the shark, so I wonder what part of me is hungry for something. It is interesting that the meat was bright red, and that firemen also wear red. The pool is blue, and so were the fireman's eyes -- like I am still swimming in his eyes. I found the fireman quite handsome and attractive. Also, I know that water might mean emotions, so am I submerged in my emotions while part of myself offers a sacrifice to the sharks? Does the girl feed my fantasy man -- the meat of my desire -- to the sharks? Why does the dream begin in the building where I work? Do I fear if I climb higher, perhaps in my job, that I might risk a fall? It does seem I have guidance, at least, that will help me survive. Finally, I find it helpful to write a couple of "dream mottos" for this experience: [ ] Climbing beyond boundaries, I fall but find guidance that rescues me [ ] I eat the meat of my desire and it makes me anxious I wish you well -- Scott Eagle ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Jill Hi Jennifer. If this were my dream, stepping into an elevator and pressing the button to go down might mean I am ready to go down into my unconscious mind. I get off at the first floor, ready to take the first step in this process, at the edge of my unconscious. Here I see an "oldlady" part of myself. But I find I'm not ready to take this step and have to make a readjustment first. But now I am falling, plunging down and hanging by a thread. This process feels out of control and I'm hanging on and calling for help. It's the old lady part of me, the prudent and mature feminine, who I can count on when things get hairy. Then the firemen arrive, my inner masculine aspects that are strong and know how to handle precarious moments and put out the fires when they become destructive. I know to trust them, even if what they're doing seems dangerous. They are cutting the rope that keeps me suspended here. Maybe I have realized that I can trust the journey into the unconscious, dangerous as it seems. And now, with a big thud, I am there, and find there are really some quite attractive features in this place. First and foremost that fireman, that very appealing inner masculine who is always available to help me out, and keep the inner fires under control. I find it's easy to be in partnership with him, and that there are very special capabilities that are only possible when we are joined together. Together we can learn to make beautiful jewelry, can combine the natural with the human in pleasing ways. I want this. I fill out my identity with this. And I find that part of this new identity involves swimming with the sharks, feeding them and taking care of them. My first thought was that maybe the sharks represent powerful instinctual parts of myself that I have been wary of, and maybe I am starting to learn how to take care of these parts, how to swim with them. But I wonder now. If it were some other kind of creature this might fit, but I don't know if this can work with sharks. I think instead they may appear here as a caution. Maybe there is a feminine part of me who takes too many risks, laughing and teasing with powerful forces, and I'm starting to realize how dangerous this could be. I could lose my hand, lose my grip or my ability to handle things. Maybe I need to be wary, be careful not to let those sharks consume my energy. Hope I haven't spooked you. These are my own projections of course. Jill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Antonius Hi Jennifer. Interesting dream, thanks for sharing it. It feels like one of my dreams because in some of my dreams i experience the askew elevator without doors where i am afraid to fall out of it. It may be both my real fear of height and maybe loss of control. If this were my dream... Going down often feels like its a journey into the subconsious, things that i have hidden from myself. I feel the elevator may tell many different things though. I wonder if i feel isolated and out of control here. I am alone in the elevator and it doesn't obey my commands. Could it be that i have let outer things getting the control over me, forced me into this small elevator where i dont got much space to move around. This older woman makes me think that maybe i have let my masculine part control my life and now i feel stuck because of it. Still i dont dare to do anything. I feel im hanging above an abyss and if i move i may fall. Even if i feel im out of space, at least i got something to hold onto. Im afraid that doing anything could make things worse. So i call to my feminine side for help. She calls for them firemen, strong professional resources that i have within me. I may not understand it but they seem to understand that the only way for me to get rescued is to let go of the percieved control i got. I need to understand im not in control. Only then can i find what im searching for. I see the jewelry store as a part of me. Now when i have let go of the things i was desparately clinging to, i can work on myself. I can get my thoughts clear and sparkling like gems. Yet im not done. I need to confront the things that i fear. I need to realise that things aren't black or white. I need to learn not to judge things from their looks. I feel that if the girls can breathe under water, then why shouldn't i be able to? Yet i am afraid of getting eaten or maybe drowning. I feel i have to let go of the old reflexes of fear so i can act with a clear mind. Maybe this dream is about spiritual search, the jewelry (makes me think of the three jewels in Jainism), the water, confronting myself. It may be that my current beliefs is limiting me instead of broadening my views. Yet i dont want to let go of them because i still feel there is a little safety in what i know. I need to realise i am fooling myself that i am in control. / Antonius ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Lisa Commentary on Jennifer's Dream. No attempt will be made here to interpret or ascertain the meaning or any instruction carried in the dream; since only the dreamer can do that. The object is rather to explicate it, to look at its elements in more detail through the lens of imagination, which is itself the very stuff of dreams. The elevator. The elevator transports the dreamer from the "top" floor, a place of relative safety, to (more or less) the first floor, a place of danger. It does this because, as a machine constructed and maintained by human beings, it contains a flaw. The true nature of this elevator is revealed when it stops between the floors and becomes, instead of a smoothly operating system of gears and motors, nothing but a swinging gyrating platform suspended by a length of (perhaps) rotten rope. The Old Woman. Old women, at least some of them, are thought to be repositories of wisdom, if not the accumulated knowledge of the ages. It appears, though, that the old woman in the dream doesn't know much about stuck elevators, perhaps having grown up in a different world. She calls the fire department, as instructed, but has to be told to do this by the dreamer. The old woman's concern is indicated by her leaving the dreamscape instead of maybe sticking around to direct the firemen and making sure the dreamer is going to be okay. Despite having to deal with stuck technology and self- absorbed, scatter-brained octogenarians, the dreamer is still in control. Actually I am not sure how this may be received as I am a newbee. Is this kind of the right idea here? I would have gone on to explicate the fireman, the sharks, the jewelry, and the girls in the tank ... Hmmmmmmm. What thinks Jennifer? Lisa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Astra Hi Jennifer: If it were my dream, I would look at the elevator as a confined space in which I feel safe and protected, much like a womb. I'm in my mother's womb, but it is not the safe place I thought it was because it starts falling down. While my intellectual mind thinks I'm losing control, what I'm really losing is the secure space that was mine before birth. The rope is like an umbilical cord that needs to be severed before I can fall into my unconscious mind and really know myself. The old woman reminds me of a midwife, holding knowledge and power to help me through the transition. There maybe a memory of my birth process in which my mother and I needed medical intervention. And I was born, finally freed from the costraints of my physical connection to another human being. It can feel pretty lonely up there, waiting for the doctors (firemen) to cut the rope that will let me live and breathe. Now the fireman who helped me has transformed in an object of interest and maybe desire. I'm a big girl and give in to my feelings of sensual attraction. I'm asking myself if I'm really ready to make a jewel (child) with this man. Social conventions tell me that a good person should have children, but I'm considering all the options (filling out applications.) If I want to go through with everyone's desire for me to be a parent, I have to swim with the sharks, in an unsafe pool where other people seem to have found their destiny. Water is an emotionally charged archetype that speaks to me of unconscious fears and emotions, of an environment where I can be free to experience them, of a nourishing and comfortable environment for babies before birth, of a cleansing element. Water is a sustainer of life, any type of living being needs water to grow, and every being is necessary to the balance on this planet. Earth is also the Blue Planet, the planet where water reigns. I may want to investigate the real connection that I have to Earth. My inner feminine calls me to trust my intuition and get connected to water and Earth. In my dream, all four elements of esoteric alchemy are present: Water, Earth, Air and Fire (firemen). I can breathe under water, I have passed a very difficult test and now I'm able to exist in a condition that would have not been possible before, or I'm returning to my condition of fetus. On another level, the dream may warn me against dangerous signs of impending disease. The pool may indicate liquid retension or problems with the urinary system and kidneys. Since the pool is infested by sharks, although they do not seem dangerous, I would call the doctor for a check up. The girl in the pool symbolizes my reckless self, feeding the sharks instead of keeping them away. Is it something in my diet, smoke, alchool that are endangering my life? Moreover, the rope I'm hanging on may represent a dangerous lifestyle choice I have made that may threaten my life. I get off unarmed since the firemen save me this time, but there maybe a next time if I don't take precautions. I'm even talking about a "kind of dangerous, primordial reflex" that reminds me of survival issues at stake. Sorry about this, but it's better to be safe than sorry! It was very interesting to make projections on this dream. I never know where a dream may take me until I sit down at my computer and start jotting down ideas. I hope this makes sense, and be well. Astra ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Jennifer > Greetings -- Hello! > "Interesting that in the tall building, I break free, but in the next sequence I am more grounded. The first scene is filled with helpers for me, while in the second, I observe others performing unrelated tasks. Firemen wear red... the meat is red. The Fireman's eyes are blue and so is the brooch and the water. It also seems curious to me that the building I know has but 12 floors in reality, has an extra 2 floors in the dream. I conciously relate 14 to a movie, and a previous dream about a guru who spoke of the 14th floor, but I do not recall anything that was on that floor other than the old woman." Thank you for bringing these up. I hadn't thought about the observing/performing and falling/grounded contrast. > "As I think of those people, I first wonder what part of me each one could be? Could the old woman be my inner guide through a time of great transition?" Good questions. I do feel like I have a wise inner guide. This was probably her manifestation in the dream. > "Is the fireman another part of myself that pulls me back from bad decisions?" Another good question. It could also be the part of myself that rescues me from them. :) > "Is the jeweler the crafting part of me who both makes things well, and also craftily deals with people?" Ooh! Hadn't thought about it in the dealing with people context. > "Am I a bit too carefree at times like the girl underwater, and unaware of potential danger?" Sometimes I do feel that I am too carefree. Perhaps it's because of those carefree decisions (if they're not good ones) that the fireman part of me has to come to the rescue. Perhaps I am afraid of making those kinds of whimsical decisions that complicate my life. I don't make them as often now, but I certainly did a few years ago. Perhaps that is the fear. > "What part of me is the shark?" The part that may have "bitten off more than it could chew" in the past. :) > "As I usually do, I wish I could reenter the dream and ask each character an important question: The old woman I would ask, 'Why are you here for me?' The fireman I would ask, 'Why have you come for me?' The jeweler I would ask, 'For whom do you make this brooch?' The girl I would ask, 'Why do you not fear the shark?'" Again, very good questions. > "Also, I know that water might mean emotions, so am I submerged in my emotions while part of myself offers a sacrifice to the sharks?" I do feel like I am sometimes too emotional. Perhaps I am feeding myself to the sharks when I over-react. > "Why does the dream begin in the building where I work? Do I fear if I climb higher, perhaps in my job, that I might risk a fall? It does seem I have guidance, at least, that will help me survive." It does seem that the higher I climb in my career that the further I do have to fall. :) Taking risks can be fearful for me. "[ ] Climbing beyond boundaries, I fall but find guidance that rescues me [ ] I eat the meat of my desire and it makes me anxious" Great thought morsels! (Chomp Chomp!) Thank you Scott for your helpful questions and for the mottos. I hadn't thought of assigning mottos to a dream before. Sincerely, Jennifer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Jennifer > Hi Jennifer. Hi, Jill! > "If this were my dream, stepping into an elevator and pressing the button to go down might mean I am ready to go down into my unconscious mind." That resonates with me. > "I get off at the first floor, ready to take the first step in this process, at the edge of my unconscious. Here I see an 'oldlady' part of myself. But I find I'm not ready to take this step and have to make a readjustment first." Interesting. Perhaps this is where the fear first begins--having to rely on my own inner wisdom as opposed to the wisdom or counsel of others. In many ways, I do feel that I'm beginning my life as an independent person and have had to rely a lot more on myself in the past couple of years. > "But now I am falling, plunging down and hanging by a thread. This process feels out of control and I'm hanging on and calling for help. It's the old lady part of me, the prudent and mature feminine, who I can count on when things get hairy." Feeling out of control of my life really is a scary thought for me. > "Then the firemen arrive, my inner masculine aspects that are strong and know how to handle precarious moments and put out the fires when they become destructive. I know to trust them, even if what they're doing seems dangerous. They are cutting the rope that keeps me suspended here. Maybe I have realized that I can trust the journey into the unconscious, dangerous as it seems." In any case, it seems that what ever I do, I have inner reserves to help me through the situation. Perhaps it might have been wiser to "step up" in the beginning as opposed to trying to adjust things exactly the way I would have wanted to be "pressing elevator button". Perhaps the dream reminds me to step up in my life--make adjustments in myself--as opposed to making adjustments in my environment. > "And now, with a big thud, I am there, and find there are really some quite attractive features in this place. First and foremost that fireman, that very appealing inner masculine who is always available to help me out, and keep the inner fires under control." And to keep the inner fires burning. ;-) > "I find it's easy to be in partnership with him, and that there are very special capabilities that are only possible when we are joined together. Together we can learn to make beautiful jewelry, can combine the natural with the human in pleasing ways." Interesting. I am an oboist--this could be what the dream refers to when it presents the "crafting". Each piece of music is like a jewel or jewelry that I must craft into a work of art. And very often, I do feel masculine as well as feminine when I'm working on my music. This is probably the partnership that the dream refers to. > "I want this. I fill out my identity with this." I think this is true. I do identify myself with my work--my identity as an artist. > "And I find that part of this new identity involves swimming with the sharks, feeding them and taking care of them." Yes! I often feel that when I'm working on my music that I'm trying to tame a wilder part of myself. This has to do with the extremely emotional, sensitive side that I have. I'm constantly trying to control that part of myself. > "My first thought was that maybe the sharks represent powerful instinctual parts of myself that I have been wary of, and maybe I am starting to learn how to take care of these parts, how to swim with them." I do feel that I am in some control with the emotional aspects of myself when I play, but yes, I do still worry about losing it. And actually, when I perform, I do have a difficult time controling my nervousness. > "But I wonder now. If it were some other kind of creature this might fit, but I don't know if this can work with sharks. I think instead they may appear here as a caution. Maybe there is a feminine part of me who takes too many risks, laughing and teasing with powerful forces, and I'm starting to realize how dangerous this could be. I could lose my hand, lose my grip or my ability to handle things. Maybe I need to be wary, be careful not to let those sharks consume my energy." Perhaps I may be even be spending too much energy worrying about controling those parts of myself. I probably need to focus more on the "crafting" aspect of my work as opposed to the "control" part. > "Hope I haven't spooked you. These are my own projections of course." Very accurate projections. I have a running joke with a friend of mine who's a therapist. Sometimes he'll say something judgemental to me and I'll respond, "You're projecting!" to which his response is, "But I'm only projecting on you and not anyone else!" I also say that to him when vice-versa occurs. :) It's a joke, of course. Thank you, Jill! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Jennifer > Hi Jennifer Hi, Antonius! > "Interesting dream, thanks for sharing it. It feels like one of my dreams because in some of my dreams i experience the askew elevator without doors where i am afraid to fall out of it. It may be both my real fear of height and maybe loss of control." In my case, it's probably the latter (though I am afraid of heights, too). > "If this were my dream... Going down often feels like its a journey into the subconsious, things that i have hidden from myself. I feel the elevator may tell many different things though. I wonder if i feel isolated and out of control here. I am alone in the elevator and it doesn't obey my commands. Could it be that i have let outer things getting the control over me, forced me into this small elevator where i dont got much space to move around." Hmm. . . Another question might be "How have I allowed outer events to influence my environment?" I'm of the ilk that not only do things happen to us, we sometimes allow situations to become the way they are. Of course, that's not true in every single case, but I mean generally. Another way to "control" or to lose control of a situationlies in the way that we handle or respond to it. > "This older woman makes me think that maybe i have let my masculine part control my life and now i feel stuck because of it." Just between you and me (and the list), a Jungian therapist did tell me I was previously "Animus Possessed". Maybe as a result, dealing with life through my masculine side has made things harder than they could have been if I had just relied on my feminine self. > "Still i dont dare to do anything. I feel im hanging above an abyss and if i move i may fall. Even if i feel im out of space, at least i got something to hold onto. Im afraid that doing anything could make things worse." Sometimes I feel that way about school. It's a very structured environment, like the elevator carriage is, and I do sometimes feel that I'm clinging on to it, afraid to let go--to trust life. > "So i call to my feminine side for help. She calls for them firemen, strong professional resources that i have within me. I may not understand it but they seem to understand that the only way for me to get rescued is to let go of the percieved control i got." Exactly. And "perceived" is a key word here. Perhaps the control I have is only an illusion. > "I need to understand im not in control. Only then can i find what im searching for." This is extremely profound. And extremely difficult. :) > "I see the jewelry store as a part of me. Now when i have let go of the things i was desparately clinging to, i can work on myself. I can get my thoughts clear and sparkling like gems. Yet im not done. I need to confront the things that i fear. I need to realise that things aren't black or white. I need to learn not to judge things from their looks. I feel that if the girls can breathe under water, then why shouldn't i be able to? Yet i am afraid of getting eaten or maybe drowning. I feel i have to let go of the old reflexes of fear so i can act with a clear mind." Thank you for this. I feel that it is true in my case. > "Maybe this dream is about spiritual search, the jewelry (makes me think of the three jewels in Jainism), the water, confronting myself. It may be that my current beliefs is limiting me instead of broadening my views." This is a scary thought, so you're probably right. :) > "Yet i dont want to let go of them because i still feel there is a little safety in what i know. I need to realise i am fooling myself that i am in control." Yep. I need to learn to let go and trust life. Thank you Antonius. This was very profound. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Jennifer Hi, Lisa. > "No attempt will be made here to interpret or ascertain the meaning or any instruction carried in the dream; since only the dreamer can do that. The object is rather to explicate it, to look at its elements in more detail through the lens of imagination, which is itself the very stuff of dreams." Very intelligent introduction. :) > "The elevator transports the dreamer from the 'top' floor, a place of relative safety, to (more or less) the first floor, a place of danger." Interesting thought. It seems that it would be the other way around but it isn't. Instead of the upper floors being dangerous, it's first floor--the "grounded" one that frightens me. Perhaps I am afraid of "coming down to earth." > "It does this because, as a machine constructed and maintained by human beings, it contains a flaw." As Antonius mentioned, perhaps this flaw is the perceived control that I have. > "Old women, at least some of them, are thought to be repositories of wisdom, if not the accumulated knowledge of the ages." The archetypical crone. My inner repository of wisdom! Thank you Lisa for the interesting insights. And thank you everyone who has contributed their time and energy. This has really given me a lot of new thoughts to ponder as I travel on my path through this "precarious" life. ;) Good luck to you all as you continue on your own paths. Most Sincerely, Jennifer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Message From Jennifer Dear Astra, Thank you for taking the time out to give such a thorough adaptation of this dream. I really appreciate this. > "If it were my dream, I would look at the elevator as a confined space in which I feel safe and protected, much like a womb. "This is a very interesting comparison. It hadn't occurred to me, but it makes so much sense! > "I'm in my mother's womb, but it is not the safe place I thought it was because it starts falling down. While my intellectual mind thinks I'm losing control, what I'm really losing is the secure space that was mine before birth. "Yes. This whole scenario could be interpreted as the birthing process. Babies probably also experience anxiety or discomfort during the period when the mother is in labor and giving birth. > "The rope is like an umbilical cord that needs to be severed before I can fall into my unconscious mind and really know myself. The old woman reminds me of a midwife, holding knowledge and power to help me through the transition. There maybe a memory of my birth process in which my mother and I needed medical intervention. And I was born, finally freed from the costraints of my physical connection to another human being. It can feel pretty lonely up there, waiting for the doctors (firemen) to cut the rope that will let me live andbreathe. "VERY interesting. In addition to being a memory, it could also be a symbolic birth--my birth as an adult or independent person. > "Now the fireman who helped me has transformed in an object of interest and maybe desire. I'm a big girl and give in to my feelings of sensual attraction. "Yes--attraction to the opposite sex could be symbolic of feelings that happen to an adult. Or rather, the desire to pair or couple with him. > "I'm asking myself if I'm really ready to make a jewel (child) with this man. Social conventions tell me that a good person should have children, but I'm considering all the options (filling out applications.) "LOL! Having you been peeking into my life? I am almost 36 and I don't have children and I'm not married. Thoughts about children have crossed my mind more frequently than they had when I was in my early and mid twenties. And the thought about "considering all the options" seems to be the response that I have to those thoughts. I've also had thoughts about settling down, but am not sure how well my career will fare if I decide to go domestic. :) I have strong feelings about raising children and want to give them all the attention that they need and deserve. I feel that if I did have a child, that my career would definitely have to take a backseat, if not disappear all together. > "If I want to go through with everyone's desire for me to be a parent, I have to swim with the sharks, in an unsafe pool where other people seem to have found their destiny. "Yes, I do feel a little pressured by traditional views. I'm not sure that being a Mom is exactly what I want, though. I don't feel like a "traditional" person, and am not sure that I would be completely happy living traditionally--that I have other work to do in my life still. > "I may want to investigate the real connection that I have to Earth. "Interesting thought. I do often feel that I have some work that I have been born to do here (on the planet) that doesn't fit in with the more "traditional" views. But I'm still a little confused about what exactly that is. :) > "My inner feminine calls me to trust my intuition and get connected to water and Earth." Good advice.> "In my dream, all four elements of esoteric alchemy are present: Water, Earth, Air and Fire (firemen). I can breathe under water, I have passed a very difficult test and now I'm able to exist in a condition that would have not been possible before, or I'm returning to my condition of fetus. "Perhaps it is in this state that I will "remember" what it is I was sent here to do. . .> "The girl in the pool symbolizes my reckless self, feeding the sharks instead of keeping them away. Is it something in my diet, smoke, alchool that are endangering my life? "I do smoke. It could be this. In the past months, I've cut out a lot of unhealthy habits. I've tried to quit smoking, but was unsuccessful. Perhaps it refers to this. And I do find that I smoke more often when I'm feeling emotional, so perhaps that's the connection with water. > "Moreover, the rope I'm hanging on may represent a dangerous lifestyle choice I have made that may threaten my life. "Perhaps smoking, worrying, being a control freak--all of it together. Thank you VERY much Astra, and no, I wasn't worried about what you wrote. Thank you for writing it. You seem like an extremely intuitive person. Sincerely,Jennifer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ End Session ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You can subscribe to the DreamWheel by sending an e-mail to: dreamwheel-subscribe@yahoogroups.com You're also welcome to try out this dreamwork process in your own online groups. Read more about the process in John Herbert's research paper comparing face to face groups with online groups: http://users.aol.com/john0417/HuSci/Greet.html A brief history of online dream sharing by Richard C. Wilkerson and Dr. Herbert can be found here: http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/articles_rcw/ed2-6jh.htm Also see Richard's article, "A Short History on the Rise of Dream Sharing in Cyberspace," in the October, 1998 issue of Electric Dreams Magazine (the same issue includes the "Coins of Life" DreamWheel transcript from that year): http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues/ed5-9.txt Phyllis Howing, DreamWheel moderator Richard Wilkerson, DreamWheel founder o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o John Herbert's Pioneering Online Research and Dream Groups By Richard Wilkerson o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o John Herbert's work became know to me in the early 1990's through the grassroots dream grapevine, but hadn't been able to track him down on the Net. Search engines in those days were not what they are today. In 1994 he found me and I had a chance to go through two of his online groups, one as a commentator and the other using one of my dreams. It was immediately clear to me from John's work (at this time on AOL SeniorNet venue) that were just the structure we needed in the Electric Dreams community for our own groups which had been using a round-robin approach that was less structured. John Herbert's approach provided a quick, yet in-depth approach to online dreamwork. Further, Herbert's research provided a background support for the emerging communities of concerned dreamers on the Net. Was it safe? Did people benefit from it? What were they getting out of it? Herbert's research on CMC (computer mediated communications) vs. Face-to-Face dream groups suggested that many aspects of dreamwork work just as well with CMC and some aspects are even superior. Herbert has a great deal of experience with face-to-face groups and highly values them as well, the issue was not one of competition, but of providing real data and empirical support for the dream movement to advance online. J Herbert speaks about his early development: " Most of my professional life has been associated with aviation, but my introduction to group dream work started with an Edgar Cayce group in New York in the 1960's. I later attended one term at the C.G.Jung Institute in Zurich, which started my serious work with dreams. My desire to learn more about dreams and research led me to back to school, first at San Francisco State Univ. (M.A.Psychology, 1970) and recently to a Doctoral program in Psychology at Saybrook Institute (San Francisco), where I was introduced to Montague Ullman's "If it were my dream" approach by Stanley Krippner, who has been my major mentor. Progressively, I became more active in face-to-face group dreamwork; I have studied under Ullman and have moderated FTF groups for several years. " (Wilkerson & Herbert 1995, Electric Dreams 2[6]) Herbert then shifted his attention to online dreamwork: "I became aware, however, of the changing modes of communication available to the electronic community and I wanted to find out if it might be possible to conduct group dream work on electronic BBSs. As part of the research for my dissertation, I have done test groups on the Internet (alt.dreams), Delphi, Compuserve, the WELL, and America OnLine. Group Dreamwork is currently being conducted on AOL in the Seniornet sector\Communities Message area\Group Dream Work topic. I have over 3500 of my own dreams stored in electronic format, and I have been able to use them for research, documenting how dream metaphors have commented on various life situations." (Wilkerson & Herbert 1995, Electric Dreams 2[6]) Online Dreamwork Found To Be More Meaningful Herbert's awareness of the usefulness of dreamwork in group settings offline led to a pilot study he compared these to an online group and found this online group produced more meaningful responses than the offline group. This result was reproduced later in a more extensive study. (Herbert 2000) Why more meaningful online? The speculations centered on the asynchronous nature of this online group. That is, with a delay in posting the dream, the questions, the replies and the comments spread out over a week or two, the participants had time to ~reflect~ and give more considered answers. However, dreamworkers such as Fred Olsen and Jeremy Taylor were reporting very meaningful dreamwork taking place in real time chat rooms. It was hypothesized that the anonymity also contributes to participants expressing their ideas more freely. Herbert also observed that the online groups elicited more new information from the dreamer. That is, the dreamers were more responsive in online venues. Again, this seems to be due to the extra time the dreamer has to reflect on the situation. Ullman Method Developed For Online Use John Herbert went on to develop several series of online dreamwork protocols and techniques with a special interest in the AOL SeniorNet Bulletin Boards. He favored the parts of Montague Ullman's method over other dreamwork techniques as the method allows a group to participate in the construction of meaningful metaphors and other reasons, but above all, because "…ultimately only the dreamer can take responsibility for which of the associations are meaningful." (JH 2000, pg 19) Much has been written about the Ullman method, developed for peer groups to discuss dreams. (see Ullman, M. and Zimmerman, N. 1979, Working with Dreams. Los Angeles: Jeremy Tarcher, Inc and http://www.pp.htv.fi/msiivola/monte/ ) The most famous line "If this were my dream…" comes from this process, though Ullmanites are quick to point out that its only a fraction of a whole process. John Herbert worked with his initial groups to deploy aspects of the process that would lead to meaningful extractions of metaphors in a reasonable amount of time. The process was simple; a dream from the group was posted, and during the first stage, questions could be asked of the dreamer who might or might not respond. Then the moderator asked for comments in the "If this were my dream" style and the dreamer could respond to them if they wished. The final Electric Dreams DreamWheels were (and still are) modeled closely around John Herbert's process, as are many other online dream groups. Herbert and Ullman both feel that the role of the moderator was important and that much can be achieved when we go past the "Oh, I had a dream like that too!" phase. In Herbert's process, the moderator presents the phase structure format and decides when to move from one stage to the next, keeping the structure of the group together. The moderator may also participate as a peer in asking questions about the dream and later making comments. Herbert felt that by extending a structure over time, more in- depth work could be done and noted that, "Intent, commitment, and sustained involvement are crucial elements. For thoughtful, contributing group members, the electronic medium may provide adequate communication to work with dream metaphors." (Herbert 2000, p 55) In Herbert's doctoral dissertation, the element that fell out as the most important was intent: "In reference to the question about the elements required for a successful dream study group, intent is a most critical factor. It is important to the success of any online dream groups, that a member has ample time to reflect on the dreamer's metaphors before responding. As one dream group member commented, 'I like being able to 'sit with' a response and ponder it at my own pace.'" (Herbert 2000, p 118) In the question stage, the questions are limited to clarifications of the dream rather than questions that might call for interpretations beyond description. One might ask what color the coat was, or if anyone one else was in the large room, but not what a coat means to the dreamer or if the dreamer was agoraphobic in large rooms in waking life. This stage is an important learning stage for new dreamworkers and is the beginning of both an existential/phenomenological approach as well as the beginning of owning one's own projections. That is, if one is limited to asking descriptive questions about the dream, an attention to details in the dream texture become deeper and the body of the dream image richer. Focus on the kind of leather in a coat adds substance to the dream and moves towards particulars, while asking what the leather in general means can lead to abstractions of the image. Further, by withholding questions about the meaning of the dream (or traditional meanings of the dream) the dreamworker learns to differentiate his/her own internal mechanisms that give the dream expression. Working with the clarification of descriptions is a distinctly different way to express the dream images than moving past them into their (other) meaning and values. Herbert has noted (Herbert 1991) that too much emphasis on this stage can freeze up and make later stage "If this were my dream…" expressions of the dream stiffer and more difficult for the participants. However, we have found on the DreamWheels that this stage vitalizes the dreamer who may not feel they get much attention to their dreams, or know how to give attention to a dream image. In other words, the non-defensive questions of clarification are felt as an expression of care an attention, and allow the person sharing the dream to feel the others in the group are interested. Besides the inherent value in this, it can also lead to better dream recall both after the dream and in later dreams. That is, the impact of caring attention can enter into the dreaming process itself and provide more colorful, detailed, emotionally deep dreams. Is the trade-off worth it? Do the benefits to the dreamer offset the difficulties of providing a more elaborate dream image for the group to have to digest? There is no research at this time, but a study of the populations used in the two groups (Herbet's AOL SeniorNet and the DreamWheel) might indicate that the answer depends on the psychological sophistication of the group and perhaps the mean age of the group as well. Robust groups that are heavily invested in trying something new or have introspective skills may be better able to handle more elaborate imagery than other groups. The Comment Phase. In the Comment stage, the participants pretend that the dream is their own and image what the dream would mean for them. These dream-stories are then posted for the dreamer to take or not take as possible intuitions beyond what they may have themselves attributed to the dream. By posting them as one's own dream, there is a reduction of the feeling that the meaning or value of the dream is being imposed and the dreamer may pick and choose those insights using an inner authority. Herbert selected the "If this were my dream…" part of the Ullman/Zimmer process for the format of the comment stage. To further the notion that the dreamer was to take the dream on as his/her own, Herbert further suggested the people taking the dream on preface the comments with "In my dream…." Even though the "If this were my dream" phrase begins the process of the dreamer owning the dream as his/her own, there can still be pretense. That is, one can say If this were my dream…" but really mean "If I were you, this is what you should do." Saying "In my dream" doesn't eliminate this attitude, but does further the respondent along this path. Although the dreamer is not required to respond to the comments, the whole group is more cohesive and finds more of a sense of completion when this occurs. To allow the dreamer to be in control of the process, they can't be pushed to respond here, so it needs to be clear in the instructions that this is an option. The moderator's final role is to give closure to the process and depending on the situation, begin the new stage one with another dream. New Venues Besides bulletin boards, Herbert also worked extensively with Jeremy Taylor on the AOL DreamShow, a live chat venue that was highly moderated. Variations of this process were outlined a presentation at the Association for the Study of Dreams in 2001 by Herbert and reprinted with permission on Electric Dreams 8(12). These include a useful table where venues can be rated across the x axis as real time vs delayed, and across the y axis a public vs. private. This doesn't provide the full spectrum of options online, but begins to tease apart some of the important differentials. New venues that include CMC Virtual Reality are coming out of development an into the mainstream and the addition of having one's actions or pictures will add new dimensions to the research. Other emerging technologies include haptic (body sensations) and other sensory enhancements. Robert Bosnak and Jill Fischer demonstrated importance of voice and the possible importance of polygraph devices that allow us to see a wide range of reactions, even though the groups may be meeting from different spots around the world. (Bosnak and Fischer, 2000) For an exploration of these and other new dream sharing venues, see both the online CyberDreams Issue of ASD Dream Time 17(3).and the January 2000 Electric Dreams issue. Herbert's work continues to inspire and produce new forms of dream sharing. References Bosnak, Robert and Fischer, Jill (2000) The Cyberdreamwork Movement. ASD Dream Time 17(3). http://www.geocities.com/asdreams_2000/cyberdreams/bosnak.htm Herbert, John.W. (2000). Group Dreamwork Utilizing Computer Mediated Communication. A Dissertation Submitted to the Faculty of Saybrook Graduate School in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Degree of Doctor of Philosophy in Psychology. Saybrook Graduate School. Copyright 2000 by Herbert, John W. All rights reserved. Available Online: http://dreamgate.com/herbert/ Herbert, John.W. (1991) "Human Science Research Methods in Studying Dreamwork: Qualitative and Quantitative Analysis of Face-to-Face and Computer Dream Work Groups" Unpublished Manuscript, Saybrook Institute, San Francisco. Available Online: http://users.aol.com/john0417/HuSci/Greet.html Herbert, John (2001 November). Reflections on Online Dream Groups. Electric Dreams 8(12). Retrieved December 28, 2001 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web: http://www.dreamgate.com/electric- dreams Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (1995 June 8). Dream Sharing Experiment: The E-mail Dream Circle. Electric Dreams 2(8). Retrieved July 31, 2000 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web: http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (1997 August). Cyberdream - History Notes. Electric Dreams 4(7). Retrieved July 26, 2000 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web: http://www.dreamgate.com/electric- dreams Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (1998 October). A Short History on the Rise of Dream Sharing in Cyberspace. Electric Dreams 5(9). Retrieved July 8, 2000 on the World Wide Web: http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams Wilkerson, Richard Catlett ed. (1998 October). A Transcript from an Online Dream Group 'Coins of Life' An August 1998 DreamWheel. Electric Dreams 5(9). Retrieved July 8, 2000 on the World Wide Web: http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams Wilkerson, Richard Catlett and Branka (1999 August). Special Section: Dream Sharing with Serbia: A Special Report of a Dream Group Held During the Crisis in Kosovo: Transcripts and Notes by Richard Wilkerson & Branka. Electric Dreams 6(8). Retrieved July 14, 2000 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web: http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 April). "Mel", A full transcript of an Electric Dreams dream sharing group. Electric Dreams 7(4). Retrieved December 31, 2001 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web: http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 April) A Brief History of the Electric Dreams DreamWheel. Electric Dreams 7(4). Retrieved July 14, 2000 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web: http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Where is the Global Dreaming News? Now at the beginning of Electric Dreams! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ New Series begins with dream-flow@egroup.com Digest #1 09/29/2000 This issue includes volume #503 - #527 Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams. 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An Archive of dream-flow is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow@egroups.com/ Pre-November 2000: http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow@lists.best.com/ Pre-November 1998 http://www.mail-archive.com/ed-core@lists.best.com/ Pre-April 1990 Use Electric Dreams Backissues http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues ____________________________________________________________ Message: 503-001 Subject: New Dream dream_title: LOR dream_date: June 21, 2002 dream_text: Though I knew I shouldn't, I started reading Lord of the Rings again, but as I opened the book, it became real. There was a narrow path I had to follow to begin the story, it led by a muddy pool that was inhabited by a disgusting toad-like monster. It was dangerous, but slow, and I got by it without too much trouble. It just reached out tentacles and tried to grab me, but I was having too much fun for it to catch me. Just as I reached the mouth of the tunnel that would lead to the meat of the story, I was inturrupted by someone who walked in on me and didn't approve of the books. I was frustrated, and we went to a Bible meeting, but no one was dressed up. When I could finally sneak out, I began again, had to go by the monster again, but it was scarier, and when I got to the cave-mouth I saw that my step-dad and mom and other members of my family had got there ahead of me and were being all noisy, so I didn't even want to go on because they didn't feel the awe and would just ruin it. dream_comments: I have tried to stop reading fantasy because my best friend disapproves, but my mom and step-dad talked me into seeing the LOR movie, which led to me losing my friend. Comments: 503-002, 504-002, 505-001 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 503-002 [503-001] Subject: Re: New Dream Dear [name removed], It seems there is conflict in your life over the choices you make and that has inspired this dream. Often in dreams we try to settle differences with our close friends and relatives. I, too, am a Christian and I am familiar with the fear that leads many Christians to strongly disapprove of fantasy literature. Just live your life and show that the choices you make are not pulling you down morally and your friend might forgive and forget. If not, then you must question the price of friendship. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 503-003 #ed.note: no content# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 503-004 #ed.note: message removed – non-dream post# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 504-001 Subject: motorway shock dream_title: motorway shock dream_text: the scenario is, i'm the passenger in a car on a busy motorway. im in da front seat with father/uncle driving. next thing the driver disappears. the car is moving with no driver and i spend the rest of the dream navigating the car from my seat with steering wheel before crashing!!!! this occurrs frequently dream_comments: dream happens often. Comments: 506-001 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 504-002 [503-001] Subject: Re: New Dream You probably just feel bad because you lost your friend to those books. But I should tell you that witchcraft and wizardry is something that you shouldn't get into as a hobby. I have an aunt that did that and eventually she got into the demonic crap and now she won't watch a movie unless it has that stuff in it. If you let yourself become too interested in that stuff, you'll become so absorbed in it that it'll take over you, and you'll wake up one day not even knowing yourself anymore. I think this is partly your parents' fault. It sounds like you were doing pretty well until they dragged to you see that stupid movie. But on the other hand, your friend should have been more understanding, rather than overreact as a pennecostal would and tell you that she doesn't want to be your friend. You don't sound like you have mental problems, and that's what it takes for a person to become overly engrossed in a childish trend. Just to be on the safe side though, you should try not to read those books too often, maybe just once a week or something. That way you're not always dreaming about it and you can stay in touch with the reality of which trends are which without sticking to only the crazy ones and having everyone you love start to worry about you. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 504-003 Subject: Fahrenheit dream_title: Fahrenheit dream_date: 22/06/2002 dream_text: I was in a town which seemed to be a resort for summer vacations. There were many huge swimming pools where people were having fun under a sunny sky. I took my car which I drove to a direction I felt I didn't know about as if the road was stretching as I drove. I found myself among a group of 'bedouins' with camels and we were on a kind of bridge made of sand, under this far- fetched bridge there were many tapestries, forming a line under the bridge. Around us was a sea that looked like water but seems to be a desert. I then turned to my friend to say "I am so happy we chosed to go to the movie, it needs a full screen to watch this". We continued a little and we arrived at an 'oasis'. dream_comments: I called it 'Farenheit' as there's a commercial for this perfume where a man is standing on a line/bridge similar to the one in my dream comments: 508-001 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 504-004 Subject: red snake dream_title: red snake dream_date: june 22 2002 dream_text: this is really hard for me to explain. I went shopping and i bought my son a snake.(I wont even look at a snake on tv because i am so scared of them) the snake was in dirt in the shopping cart. He would stick his head out and i would scream in the store. I got it home and my dog(who was a beagle) didnt like it. All of a sudden the black snake turned red, and started coming after me. The dog attacked it. I was yelling and hitting it. I took a knife to it and i cut it in half. But it was able to move. Cut in half it went into the grass out side.. The then i took the dog for a walk to see if it was still alive. In the last few days i have all different dreams but this one is staying in my mind. If anyone has any advise please try to help me dream_comments: i dont want to go to sleep again to see this snake comments: 504-006 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 504-005 Subject: Unknown love dream_title: Unknown love dream_date: repeated dream_text: I have a repeated dream about being around this young handsome guy that loves me so much it hurts,in my dream i know i cant be with him because of the man i'm with.This man loves me to the depths of his heart,when noone looks,he caresses my cheek,whispers in my ear,and makes me feel wopnderful,but then something wakes me up,and i feel devastated and heart broken,but i can never remember his face,but the feelings and emotions stay with me for hours sometimes days.It hurts as if i actually lost this love.My heart aches for this unknown love... dream_comments: i need to know why i keep having these dreams.I love my husband and i don't cheat on him.I don't understand why i dream like this. Comments: 504-008 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 504-006 [504-004] Subject: Re: red snake I have dreams that I'm killing snakes all the time. In fact, I have dreams that I'm killing any extremely dangerous or possibly rabid wild animal. For me, it's usually squirrels. They jump up toward my face to bite me and I choose fight over flight and grab them and break their necks. Then they just fall to the ground and I know they're dead and I'm safe. When I wake up from these dreams I have this feeling that I'm emotionally re-energized and I can take on the world. That's what I think your dream was. You were starting to feel a little stressed probably and your subconscious made you dream that to give you a sort of "pep talk" to let you know that you can handle anything and there's no reason to let life get to you. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 504-007 #ed.note: no content# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 504-008 [504-005] Subject: Re: Unknown love I have those dreams too. For me they mean that I miss having a guys affection. Maybe your husband isn't paying enough attention to you. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 505-001 [503-001] Subject: Re: New Dream Hi. [name removed]. I to am a christian. I know very few christians who haven't seen the movie. Except me. I have questioned my own motives and choose for now to leave it alone. Mostly because of past experience and prefer not to open that door. However people keep telling me how wonderful it was and how much the saw God's stuggle with evil portrayed in the movie. If God is not condemning them, then for now I won't either. Yes to emagine these things as real is very exciting. But we must remember that it is fantasy. God can be very exciting too and his peception of the spiritual realms is amazing. Since Ive been opened up to his way of seeing things, Everything else is so inferrior. I hope in time you see Him this way as well. The other two interpreters have covered this area well and it would be wise to heed their warnings if you are in that place to hear them right now. Try to remember Jesus loves you no matter what and it's His stuggle with evil that saves our souls and sets our feet upon the rock. He will be with you if you ask Him and He will deliver you when you're ready to let Him. God bless you sound like an awesome person. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 505-002 #ed.note: unreadable format# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 505-003 Subject: Tornado dream_title: Tornado dream_date: recurrent dream_text: Each dream has similarities, but they are never exactly the same. In every dream there is either a tornado on the horizon of a mountain, or it is in the yard outside the house I'm in. The house is never mine, nor is it a family members REAL house; but in my dream it is always a siblings or my parents "home". Sometimes I see pitch black clouds that look like smoke rolling through the sky above the house, I assume there is a tornado in those.... Most dreams I am running around looking for someplace safe to hide in before the tornado hits the house I'm in... Always to be shown by someone in the house with me (and always through a sliding glass door) that the sky is clear and blue and everything is okay... like I hallucinated the whole thing. In this last dream I had last night, I noticed that it started to hail all of a sudden, then it stopped just as suddenly, so one of my sisters and I went outside to check it out. There was a funnel cloud spinning above my sisters house, pointed out by another sister. So we went back inside. She (my sister) went back to doing whatever it was she was doing and I (as usual) took off running around the house looking for a good place to hide. Under the table in the kitchen / bedroom?? No! Not safe..... So I run back out to the sliding glass door to check on the tornado and it's progress, only to find that it blew over us and that I can see it destroying land a few miles away..... on the mountain.... In other dreams, the tornado is in my brothers back yard tearing up the land.... so I run to hide only to have my brother drag me back to the sliding glass door and show me that everything outside is calm and beautiful. Or I am in my parents basement, looking out a tiny window that looks out into the garage (floor level) and straight through to the outside, there is always a mountain in the distance with a tornado sitting stationary on the top... it is spinning, and I can sometimes hear it... but it never moves out of it's place... I am always smoking a marijuana joint and hoping that my parents, who are in the garage getting ready to get in the car and leave, don't know that I am in their house... They never notice the tornado.... dream_comments: I am an extremely tense person.... I suffer from depression and anxiety.... and I always seem to be sick with something or another... seems to be ruining my life.... any chance that this is what these dreams are all about? Comments: 505-004, 505-008, 506-004 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 505-004 [505-003] Subject: Re: Tornado Dear [name removed], I would say from your dream comments that you don't feel you are in control of your life. The tornado is a good symbol for "out of control" and its destructive power in recurrent dreams is probably just that symbol. You fear your parents reaction in a total, primal way, like a small child. Apart from the dream, your marijuana use may be contributing to your depression and anxiety. Try to reassert control in your life by giving up the marijuana for a time, say two months, and see if your mood improves. There can be many causes for depression and it's a good idea to do away with all chemicals while searching for the cause. You might consider a doctor's prescription for antidepressants if you can't get control of the depression yourself. There's no reason to live with depression in this day and age. Be good to yourself! ____________________________________________________________ Message: 505-005 Subject: Maggots dream_title: Maggots dream_date: June 23, 2002 dream_text: In my dream my friend [name removed] came over to my house. We had a slumber party in my sister [name removed]'s room. There was maggots all around the door to her room though. When we woke up in the morning there was maggots under our skin too. We had to pull them out, and then they were all wriggling on the floor. Comments: 505-009 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 505-006 Subject: Invasion dream_title: Invasion dream_date: 6/24/02 dream_text: In my dream, there was an invasion....I was at a dorm (I'm in college) my parenst were there and I had a little sister even though I have in reality a little brother. At the beginning I came home from college and I looked up and saw the moon turn into 2 moons and then from the second moon a third moon appeared with wongs and was flying in the sky. I was in a cafe type of place all of a sudden and the only thing they served was a green sherbet type of drink in a white plain coffee mug. When you were done drinking it you put your mug back on the shelf and you went into a room and wrote on a piece of paper I.M.D.E.D. (like i am dead) and you laid down on a bed tht looked like a coffen. everywhere you looked there where strange people and in my dream I knew for some reason that these weird people were not people from earth and they had taken over human bodies and wanted to take over earth and kill all man kind. So they used this green stuff everywhere to try to kill people. Then I ran from this cafe and all of a sudden I was runnign with my parents (but they weren't who my parents are in real life) and we were running towards my "little sister". She was screaming but we ouldn't hear her and we got closer to her and all of a sudden she whipped out a black spray can and started spraying us and then we could hear her. So we ran with her into a hospital and we went into a room where my "dad" was holding the dorr and we were trying to figure out where to run to and what to do. The "fake" people were outside the dorr trying to get in but my dad had the door to this little room. We found the spray bottles my "sister" was using and we started drinking them and I woke up?? dream_comments: I don't understand? Comments: 505-010 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 505-007 Subject: baby dream_title: baby dream_date: unknown dream_text: my daughter was pregnant and had a dream of her grandfather and he is dead. and he said to her i will hold on to your baby untill you are ready for him. she did find out that she was haveing a boy she dident know what this ment well the baby was born on may 20th and he was stillborn and she wants to know why he would not let her have her baby. one week befor the baby died a racoon came to my kitchen window and died it was a baby racoon was this some kind of warning to or what. dream_comments: my daughter was full term with this baby and the hospital said that is was unknown why this baby died. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 505-008 [505-003] Subject: Re: Tornado I think you're right. I'm also getting the idea that your worries usually revolve around your family. But it sounds to me that your family could be more worried about you than you're noticing. Either that or in your dream your subconscious used members of you family to represent a more rational side of you that does not want you to worry so much. I know that a few people in the group have heard me mention this before, but sometimes when you have recurring dreams that you're running from something it's best to go lucid and turn right around while you're in the dream and face the tornado. Even if in the dream the tornado picks you up, you won't die in your sleep. You'll most likely see either all your worries and suddenly feel the urge to wake up laughing, or you'll see everything in your life that has made you the way you are. Your dream could be due to the fact that your body and mind can only take so much worrying and eventually you'll have to face up to what exactly it is that makes you so depressed and anxious. Being that you're doing this in a dream, there's a big chance that there is no mental illness or chemical embalance involved. It could be just huge loads of stress, or possibly a repressed childhood memory that could easily be dealt with in weekly therapy. Doctors don't know everything, you know. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 505-009 [505-005] Subject: Re: Maggots Does your sister have issues with keeping her room clean? That would be the first thing I would think of if I woke up from a dream like that. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 505-010 [505-006] Subject: Re: Invasion Do you watch a lot of horror movies? Because your dream sounds like a cross between "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" and "Night of the Living Dead". Your "sister" points out the fact that the dream was showing everything in opposite. I'm sure if your dream had any meaning whatsoever it was that you should eat healthier and try not to be nervous about life's little struggles. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 505-011 Subject: i don't know how to title it dream_title: i don't know how to title it dream_date: june dream_text: i had a dream i was in something like my house it had an alarm and my ex boyfriend was there he tried to leave but i would tell him don't leave my and i would hold his hands.and the alarm kept gone on so we could not move. I have had repeated dreams of thing similar please help me to understand Commetns: 507-006 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 506-001 [504-001] Subject: Re: motorway shock Hi [name removed], Cars are identified with where you are headed. This car is moving forward rapidly. Your father is driving. This would suggest he would generally make the decisions for you or with you on what you won't to do. Your uncle is there too. Another person you would look up to for advice. Now the driver dissappears and you must make a decision. So you begin to steer the car but not really wantig to. You have not yet taken charge willingly. The upside being you haven't crashed even though you find the ordeal scarry. Your uncle is still there(?) Perhaps for support? Its seems like you are at a time in your life where you need to make some decisions for yourself and your dad can't make it for you. If hes always been there then he will still be there. If you need him. Your dream suggests that you value you father and uncles input. The excellence of that being, you came through this safely. Perhaps you are going to leave home. Know your family is there for you. You will be alright. If you are in trouble however, Stop! Go and talk to your dad, get some good advice and get back on track. I'm sure you'll make the right decision. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 506-002 #ed.note: undisplayable format# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 506-003 #ed.note: undisplayable format# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 506-004 [505-003] Subject: Re: Tornado i agree,but is there something that has happened that you are trying to run from. this could something that has happened a long time ago. this could be your subconsious trying to let it go ____________________________________________________________ Message: 507-001 Subject: A meaningful death? dream_title: A meaningful death? dream_date: June 26, 2002 dream_text: Im laying in my bed staring up at the ceiling. All of a sudden i feel this sharp pain on my left side. (in reality i have cysts in my left ovary). Well, it made me get out of bed. I walk to the bathroom to splash water on my face to see if that helps. I wash my face and all of a sudden i felt light headed and i caught my fall. I slowly got up and had to call 911 because i was alone at the time. The ambulance arrives and ive died. The doctors perform an otopsy and later find out that the cause of my death was cancer. dream_comments: i just want to let you know ive been having this dream for about 2 weeks straight and i dont mind if you share this with anyone and if theres any way you can interpret this or find out its meaning please contact me..you may also use the real names and say my name...thank you, christina .(american_chickeree@hotmail.com) Comments: 507-004 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 507-002 Subject: parting is sorrow /and/ church barrier dream_title: parting is sorrow/ church barrier dream_date: june 21/june 24 ,2002 dream_text: To the point, two of the dreams I remember the most involve a friend of mine who also runs cross country(Ill refer to her as"H"). Dream #1: I don't remember very much about this dream except that I was talking to "H" but as soon as I quit talking to her and no longer saw her in my dream I felt a deep disappointment and longing that I hadnt told her something.I then woke up maintaining that feeling of regret. Dream #2: In this dream I moving to a new suburban neighborhood which had a normal sized church near it. At first I felt saddened that we were moving but soon I remembered "H" lived there which brought up my spirits. As dreams work I was soon in the neighborhood looking for her which led me to the church which was full of people. I couldn't find her anywhere no matter how hard I tried (it was church two storied with the classic stained glass colors and lots of doors which led to more rooms)the longer I searched the more desperate and depressed I was until failure too crept into my mind which woke me. dream_comments: "H" is a friend of mine who is very friendly and I admirer her very much. These dreams took place at the end of school when I was away from "H" and most of my friends One of my more creative interpretations of it include that H is a symbol for running which I havnt been practicing lately ____________________________________________________________ Message: 507-003 Subject: Pregnancy dream_title: Pregnancy dream_date: June 25, 2002 dream_text: Actually, my friend dreamt that I became pregnant by my ex-boyfriend (whom I still sleep with occaisonally) and that I had a baby boy named Joseph. That is the middle name of my ex- boyfriend. dream_comments: What does this mean? Comments: 507-005 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 507-004 [507-001] Subject: Re: A meaningful death? How many tests have been run on those cysts? You should probably go to your doctor and say that you feel that something else may be wrong and you would like to know if the cysts have gotten worse or may have evolved into something else. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 507-005 [505-011] Subject: Re: Pregnancy Is your boyfriend extrememly immature? If so, that could be what it meant. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 507-006 [505-011] Subject: Re: i don't know how to title it Do you want him back? Alarms normally sound a warning and because you are holding onto him in your dream I would think this concerns your relationship and how you still feel about him. Perhaps you feel alone and are reaching out for someone. Letting go sometimes can be hard and loneliness a fearful thing. Talk to him if this is possible and tell him how you feel. If hes not interested you will need to move on. Who knows you may be able to remain friends or even be reconciled. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 508-001 [504-003] Subject: Re: Fahrenheit Neat dream I enjoyed it too. Sounds like you are identifying with your masculinity. Lay back and enjoy. Reality may be a little less interesting. The fact you that you called it a movie suggests you didn't let it go to your head. Good sence of judgement while dreaming. Could mean you are going to travel too. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 508-002 #ed.note: undisplayable format# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 508-003 Subject: my short hair dream_title: my short hair dream_text: it was the 60's or 70's and me and my boyfriend [name removed] (who is not my bf in real life) were really big pot heads... but that isnt the important part.. i had really long pretty brown hair and for some reason i had to cut it really short and i hated it so i was sitting on the edge of my bathtub crying when [name removed] comes in and tries to comfort me. He turns on the water and starts to wash my hair and tells me it will always be beautiful. I felt a lot better about it then and i was so happy to have him.. dream_comments: i dont know why [name removed] was my boyfriend in this dream.. i dont even like him more than a friend. i have also been debating wether i should cut my hair short lately if that helps any Comments: 508-005, 512-010 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 508-004 Subject: ahhhhhhhhhhhh dream_title: ahhhhhhhhhhhh dream_date: 5/15/00 dream_text: i jumped off a cliff when my dad tried to tell me he loves me dream_comments: i have no idea what this means. my dad and mom are divorced if that matters. Comments: 508-006, 512-009 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 508-005 [508-003] Subject: Re: my short hair Maybe cutting your hair will make intreresting, yet unusual things happen in your lovelife. It might be the case that your hair looks better short. With some facial features, long hair hides beauty. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 508-006 [508-004] Subject: Re: ahhhhhhhhhhhh It sounds like you're blaming the divorce on your dad, and you might need to spend some time away from him until you can better deal with the divorce. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 509-001 #ed.note: message removed – non-dream post# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 510-001 Subject: Funeral on a wedding day dream_title: Funeral on a wedding day dream_date: 6/29/02 dream_text: Dreamed one of my brothers died and he was layed out on a table top surrounded by my other siblings. At one point in the dream the deceased body twitched as if was in pain as it layed on the table but not as if he had came to back to life. At the same day there was to be a celebration of a wedding that was to take place immediately after the funeral. I found myself crying in my dream mourning for my brothers death and at the same time trying to make time to hurry up the funeral so that the celebration of the wedding can take place. Lastly, I recall his body being carryed away in a stretcher with the body still twitching in pain. For some reason it felt like the wedding to take place was my own. dream_comments: It has been so long since I could remember dreaming or was able to recall my dreams. Comments: 510-004 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 510-002 Subject: Half of Snake dream_title: Half of Snake dream_date: 06/29/2002 dream_text: I was with my husband and children sitting on a corner of the back yard, I decided to go into the swimming pool, when I went in, I saw a Snake, actually this was half of snake, I told my husband, about the snake he grabbed it, and said will eat it, I said why, he said this are very good and there not a lot of them. I was surprised, when I grabbed it with my hand, I thought that the snake was dead, but it was not, the snake,grabbed my index finger, and scratch it, the snake was looking at me and she looked upset, I would see the big teeth on her(for some reason I knew she was a female)but she was not biting me (pressing my finger)not with her teeth but with her neck, Since the snake would not let go of me, I started biting her, as hard as I could, so she could let go of my finger, when I bite her, I felt like she had bones, I slam her against the wall, an kicked her, and all of the sudden she said (snake spoke to me) "I am going to stay and at least your going to give me water", and I was upset, of afraid I dont know, so I trew the snake out of a window with bars, she would not give up and she told me give me water and she was anoying, then until finally I woke up (this snake was yellow with black) dream_comments: pls use my email: elizabetbautista@msn.com please use my real name: Dilcia Comments: 510-005 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 510-003 Subject: in the dark dream_title: in the dark dream_date: 06-26-02 dream_text: i was telling my mother that i was wearing a size 11, and she was in shock.the next thing i know i was walking through the darkness and all i could see was a bunch of doors. i remember thinking where are the door knobs? a male stranger tried to show me the door knobs but i couldnt see them, so he took one off and showed me that they were made of purple amethyst. and then i woke up. dream_comments: in real life i wear a size 20. and i knew what an amethyst was but i had to look it up to find its meaning. i got two meanings, one bad, one good. if you could help me out, it would be appreciated. Comments: 510-006 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 510-004 [510-001] Subject: Re: Funeral on a wedding day Sometimes people stir once in a while in their sleep, and they wake up in a state of mind where they remember a dream for the first time in a while. Your dream sounded like a lot of thoughts, hopes and worries all blended together in one thought. It would be very hard to interpret. A superstitious person would say that the wedding meant a new beginning and the funeral meant a change. If your dream was indeed a psychic phenomenon of some sort, I would imagine your brother will play a big part in what the dream predicted. But you said that you felt that it was your wedding, and you wanted the funeral to be over with so you could have the wedding. Maybe your brother is doing something that you don't like and you wish he'd stop. That is one thing that would cause a lot of stress and make you dream more than usual. On the other hand, your brother might represent someone else in your life who is causing you stress. Dreams are funny like that, but only you know your life well enough to know what most of your dreams mean. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 510-005 [510-002] Subject: Re: Half of Snake I don't know much about the dreamlore concerning black and yellow snakes, but it sounds like you have a person in your life (whether it's a male or a female is your call) who is very pesky and annoying, and your husband isn't helping. In fact, he may be causing it. Then again, your dream could just be your interpretation of an extremely long argument you are having with someone, and your husband in some way started the argument. It sounds like it could be a neighbor, or maybe a family member you can't seem to get along with right now. But water means life, so whoever it is is probably a close friend or relative that may be a little too close for comfort. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 510-006 [510-003] Subject: Re: in the dark I wouldn't go by what the stone means, your dream sounds like a lot of symbols all crammed together. The color purple means "royalty". The amethyst is the only semiprecious purple stone. The presence of "royalty" symbolism in your dream, especially on a door, repersents self-love, something you have to find and have in order to live a prosperous life. The many doors are the many paths you can take once you finally are happy with yourself the way you are. The reason why I'm saying that is because you said you were a size 11 in the dream. It seemed like that was what started the whole "door" thing. The one thing that makes a person lose weight is the person being happy with themselves and their weight. It didn't sound like any of those doors were wrong, so your dream probably meant that once you love yourself, the sky's the limit. ps. I've been told that love relationships have nothing to do with looks, it's about how you feel about yourself. If you have high self esteem and you love yourself, others will love you. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 511-001 Subject: fun park dream_title: fun park dream_date: 6-28-02 dream_text: i was at a fun park with my family. my 2 year old cousin was playing and mimicking monkeys in a field. my aunt told him not to play to long because the alpha male would attack him. then i saw tons of rollercoasters. half of them were normal, on the ground. the other half were in the air and looked severely dangerous. one of them was like a large net that 100 people would get on. and they would be flung into the air like on a trampoline and this huge net would slam shut and catch them in the net. no safety features were being used. everyone was just slamming into each other. dream_comments: this isnt the first time i have dreamt that my cousin was playing with monkeys. it might have to do with the fact that i call him monkey boy. Comments: 512-001 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 511-002 Subject: My worst nightmare dream_title: My worst nightmare dream_date: 06/30/02 dream_text: I'm taking these art type classes at this woman's house...only its a weird kind of potting class because you get these instant grow plants...you water this base thing....drill holes in this harder shell that goes inside this watered case and then you plant your seeds. And the point is with these plants you have to make a mosaic of something. I have no clue so I was just going with it see what I could come up with. She says 5 minute break and we all go in the back yard...at this point the house looks like my sisters Stephanie's house in Indiana when we both lived there...but it's a different color. It's like beige and brown when the house was white and black...anyway were in the backyard and she says time to come in again after the 5 minutes was up. Were all in this line and I ask her if I can drill again I figured out my design and I need to make a few more holes for the seeds. She said sure but since class was almost over I could wait until tomorrow. She gives us a have a good night speech and be careful and we all leave. I walk out and see my car DESTROYED! Windows are broken out....rims are gone. Tires are slashed to hell...my stereos been ripped out...scratched to all get out just ruined. I start to bawl and scream my head off. I run back in the house and she comes out and looks and says do I need to use her phone I said no I have my cell on me. I call Jason, my lawyer, my mom, my insurance agent, and the cops. I'm just finishing up the police call when this girl walks by and stands in the driveway...she calls me over. I walk down to her look back at the people that stayed there which are ANGEL! Yeah you Angel, Juan a guy I used to hang out with, Mandy an old friend from school, and 2 other girls. I get down to this girl and she says ''They'll be back for you'' ''How do you know that?'' "Trust me...they'll come back for you" "Where am I supposed to go?" "Anywhere but here, my best bet, as far away from town as you can get" "How do you know they'll come back?" "They ALWAYS come back. Look at your front passenger side tire...sees that...that's your sign they'll come back." "What the hell is that?....umm thank you for the warning." "You're welcome now run for your life. Go anywhere you can." I walk up to get a better look at the tire...where the rim should be is this perfectly fit inserted fake rim...its a dark jet black material that's translucent you know you stick your hand behind it and you can see it but its a reeeaaaalllyy dark color. And in this sort of bluish/gray gel inserted type fabric is this gang sign...very intricate....the left hand is out like a base for the right hand which is resting on the pal of the right hand. the left middle finger is resting on the knuckle closest to the palm and the rest of the fingers are spread out in a towards of inclined fan...the right middle finger is in the same shape except the finger the middle is resting on the pinky finger...and the thumb is extended straight up and the forefinger is straight out. Making the shape of a gun. 4 police cars come flying up into the driveway making when they stop a perfect square. Its a few hours later which is now dark. The cops are finally up on the porch with the rest of us and the girl is in the driveway again she looks down the street behind her and screams RUN!!! We all switch off the lights on the porch and hid in the corners and under furniture. We hear this low rumble...and 6 of them show up on motorcycles I catcha glimpse of one as it inches past us not running but creeping like its in neutral with the engine cut and lights off looking for signs that me might still be in the house. Angel is next to me and he whispers 'I live upstairs when they all go around back we'll haul ass up the stairs to my place my moms up there she'll know what to do. She can help us." I said ok...and told him to tell the guy next to him that I would start it this way so it got around to everyone. I turned and told the girl sitting on the other side of me...and the glanced up and was looking for Jason. He was 2 people beside me but on the next wall he caught my eye and we looked at each other. Mouthed 'I Love You' and he told the teacher who was next to him the plan. As Angel said they all went to the back yard to look...we all hauled ass up the stairs...and either Juan or Angel were the last up the stairs whoever it was, we were spotted. One yelled 'There! There they are! Let's go!' We all run into this house which is now a 500 year old Victorian house I lived in when Stephanie and I lived in Indiana. Once inside we ran to Angel's mom...she said she didn't know what to do that we should find a place and hide...cut all the lights...and hide. Then she whacked one of the policemen and said why the hell aren't you doing something? He said 'Kill 1, 10 more will follow to kill you.' They were now banging on the door to get in which the last person in Juan or Angel had locked. The Teacher of the class says 'Hide' and to be as quiet as we could. Jason and I hid in the closet as you walked in I hopped up onto the shelf and he stood in there. We both peek out heads out and I see Angel standing in the bedroom window...I told Jason I'd be right back and went over to Angel I told him to hide for gods sakes they're trying to get in here. He fell to the dream_comments: Jason is my fiancee...and we were a pure chance fate meeting...we met at a car show for Chevy Berettas...and I just wanna know why I keep having these horrifically vivid dreams of him dying always getting shot. Please use my real name: Tonya Paul Please Use my e-mail: Ailsing@BerettaGurlz.net ____________________________________________________________ Message: 511-003 Subject: The Fisher Price Helicopter dream_title: The Fisher Price Helicopter dream_date: 6/28/02 dream_text: I was flying in a fisher price helicopter. It was red and yellow, plastic looking, but it flew very high. I flew it way high up in the sky- at least 10,000 feet. I looked down and saw the Earth below, which looked like it usually does when you are way high up in an airplane. I remember thinking, it felt so good to be able to control this flying machine, but I was also a little bit scared. I looked around and saw others flying too, but alot of them had parachutes. we where in some kind of a class. I didn't know we were supposed to bring parachutes. I wasn't too worried though, but it was kind of nagging in my mind. Then I landed on a dock. There where other people there. I looked off into the distance and saw a magical city. It looked like something out of the movies or a fairy tale. Like on the game candy land or something. There where a lot of towers , some of them where spirals. They where all very brightly colored, and some of them had stripes or other designs. I remember thinking, "wow, this it it" Like I knew what the place was. The other people on the dock where looking over there too. No one was too flabbergasted. There was a tour bus pulled up outside. I remember when I was flying I had some sort of camera, or maybe it was just some kind of device, but all of a sudden the idea occurred to me that I should take a picture of this magical city. I landed to get my camera, trying to hurry, afraid that i would run out of time. I was on another dock, in a boatyard, and I jumped off the edge of one of the docks, thinking it was deep, but it was very shallow, and i remember the feeling of hitting the hard surface. i went to a guy, who i suppose was my teacher and i told him I wanted to get my camera and he said something like, " you arent the one to be documenting this" or something to that same effect. dream_comments: what would be helpful? Comments: 512-002 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 511-004 Subject: the baby dream_title: the baby dream_date: 06-28-2002 dream_text: it was a short dream it woke me up it scared me so bad all i saw was a little boy around the age of one or two laying on a bare mattress face down it's his face was blue and he was trying to breath. weird huh? dream_comments: i would really like to know what this dream mean i've been thinking about it alot Comments: 512-004, 512-005 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 512-001 [511-001] Subject: Re: fun park Maybe deep inside you feel bad about calling your cousin monkey boy, even though he's too young to think anything of it. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 512-002 [511-003] Subject: Re: The Fisher Price Helicopter If indeed this was a premonition, it's probably something involving a child. But otherwise, it sounds like through most of the dream you were fulfilling a desire that you were unaware of to go back to your childhood. You may be getting that feeling that some people get that life is so hard and yoiu wish you could go back and play to the time where toys were your only possessions and you felt safe enough not to carry around devices like parachutes. But then I think your subconscious reminded you of the things that you couldn't do when you were a child, things that you desperately wanted to do, but you can do now. When the instructor told you that the city was not for you to see, you might have been remembering not being able to watch scary movies or catch up on the latest neighborhood gossip. Your mind was settling worries by showing you that your life is much better now than it was then. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 512-003 [511-002] Subject: Re: My worst nightmare People are always afraid of losing their loved ones, and that kind of fear usually is suppressed into a dream. Some of your dream makes me think that maybe you're being a little gullible when it comes to things that other people say to you. You might need to think more before you take anymore advice. The gang thing is like a "watch your back" kind of warning. I'd use my own brain when dealing with serious situations. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 512-004 [511-004] Subject: Re: the baby Do you have chidren or are planning to to have any? It doesn't matter, even if you know someone who has kids you can have that kind of dream. It is a well-known fact that lying a baby on it's stomach causes SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome). What happens is while the baby is on his/her stomach they're not getting the amount of oxygen they should, and they begin to suffoctate. Most parents are complete idiots and think that a stupid monitor would pick it up, but not if the baby's on it's stomach. Then you don't hear much of the breathing sounds. In most cases the baby dies during the night or while in the care of a babysitter who is trained to put the baby down for naps that way and is ignorant to what it causes. Either way, the death is too sudden to stop in it's tracks, it can only be prevented. So if you know anyone who has a child between newborn stage and two years, make sure they know about this, because most parents think that it only happens to newborns and small infants, but toddlers can be in just as much danger. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 512-005 [511-004] Subject: Re: the baby If you don't mind, i would like to know when this dream occured exactly. it reminds me of something that happend about a year ago i think it was. My nephew, age 1 1/2 died of SIDS. he was found on his bed and he was blue and very cold. its just a hunch, but i just was wondering, perhaps it has some connection? thnx. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 512-006 Subject: the woman One night I awoke, half awake half asleep. there was a woman floating above me. she was holding me down and screaming in my face. i couldn't move or say ne thing. she was so pale and was wearing white. but there wasn't an evil presence. it was almost peaceful infact... Comments: 512-011, 513-015 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 512-007 #ed.note: message removed# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 512-008 Subject: Painting the road dream_title: Painting the road dream_date: may 2002 dream_text: I was painting the sidewalk near the downtown area. Abstract bold colored designs... I had to leave to go out to lunch with my mother, sister and my brother was expected to show up. The inn/restaurant was out in the country. When we got there, we had to wait- I dont think they were open for lunch yet. I remember feeling antsy- by the time we were seated and had ordered, I had toi leaaave to get back to wwork? I began walking and came to a village that was having a street fair. Homemade pies adn other food. Off in the near distance the village road went up a hill and you could see that the road was covered with what looked like colorful quilts. I remember feeling like it was ok for people to walk over them. I still had to get back and think I got a ride in a big truck. When I returned to my sidewalk isaw several happy workmen across the street digging up the other sidewalk to repair somrthing. I was irritated as I had planned to paint that too. I dumped my bucket of dirty paint water and it ran across the street and into their hole. I thought they would be angry- but the looked up, smiled and said it was ok. I then walked down the street and turned the corner and went into another restaurant but this one was an indoor mall. All the shops were closed- i knocked on a couple doors and one was opened by a man from India ) he smiled and was pleasant but we couldnt understand each other, but he did dirct me to another door. When I went through it I was outside - but a different outside than before. It was more misty- pearlized color. The door opeded on to a path/ road. I walked for awhile and off to my left there was a farmhouse with a large porch and some also misty gray people- figures were on it standing and doing something. They didnt notice me till I turned in and was 1/2 way across the porch. I asked them something? and 11 pointed back down the road I had just come up, but the road was different- it didnt go back to the indoor mall but off in the distance I could see the same hill, ( without the quilts) i had seem before. I started back and a little ways down the road I saw my friend in a gauzy robe/ dress twirling/ dancing - like a little child. So I did too. dream_comments: I would love feedback- Thanks Comments: 513-001, 513-017 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 512-009 [508-004] Subject: Re: ahhhhhhhhhhhh Sounds like you were hurt from the divorce. Its like you are saying to him "This is how your divorcing mum made me feel". Because he tells you he loves you, this makes me think that you both love each other very much. Talk to him about if he will listen. Let him know how you feel. You seem like a person who will go forward in life. Let this be a stepping stone not a hurdle. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 512-010 [508-003] Subject: Re: my short hair Hi [name removed], Sounds like you trust [name removed] and have shared some good times together in the past. Cutting your hair is like letting the past go. In your dream you trusted [name removed] with an intimate momment and he didn't abuse it. But rather gave his approval and support. If you are at a cross raod in your life and about to experience change... Remember that the good times and experience gainned, always goes with us, and your hair will grow back. Good luck with whats ahead. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 512-011 [512-006] Subject: Re: the woman This woman reminds me of old Irish legends of an entitly called a "banshee". The banshee would linger in the air above people while they slept, and occasionally shriek really loud. The Irish were quite superstitious of the banshee. They would often say that her presence means that something awful is about ot happen. Some would just call it a haunting. But it's pretty strange that you thought you saw one. Are you of Irish descent? Either way I really would rather not say anything, because I've learned not to speak too much about the deceased, especially if I didn't know them. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-001 [512-008] Subject: Re: Painting the road I really have no idea what your dream meant, but I found it very interesting nonetheless. I had a dream the other night about driving in a car, and I decided to paint myself. A very BOLD bright blue color. And in another part of the dream, I was in some place that I had never been before. It was an island, a tropical one of some sort, and the colors were beautiful. Beautiful colors that I am not quite used to seeing. There was a plexiglass wall in the middle of the island, and I saw someone actually walk into it and fall back down. It gave the appearance of the island continuing. Then I somehow stuck my hand through it and saw the other side. It was a tower, with mist swirling around it. There was more to the dream, but I just thought these points were interesting because they were kindof similar to yours. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-002 Subject: murder dream_title: murder dream_date: 1july dream_text: i often see murder in my dreams. i am usually the eye- witness and see someone killing i am very upset and scared,please tell me the interpritation of my dream. Comments: 513-010 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-003 Subject: shooting hisself in the head dream_title: My boyfriend has dreams of shooting hisself in the head dream_date: June 29-02 dream_text: My boyfriend has been having dreams of shooting himself in the head for two nights he fires twice, but the bullet never goes through his head he shot himself at the graveyard. dream_comments: He and I would like to know what this means Comments: 513-018 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-004 Subject: boyfriend trouble??? dream_title: boyfriend trouble??? dream_date: 30/06/02 dream_text: i am going out with this boy... i dreamt that me and some other people i no was taking blankets from his back garden, placing them by his front door and trying to set fire to them... but it wasn't working... for some reason i had a broken ankle in my dream... dream_comments: i have deen having wierd dreams for the last three nights... what does this one mean? i recently broke my ankle playing football, why was thin in my dream? Comments: 513-019 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-005 Subject: Concert dream_title: Concert dream_date: 2nd june 2002 dream_text: i was a pop concert but it was my dad singing... he collapsed and i was told to go and sing ... my mike would not reach to the stage... however loud i sang no-one could hear me... dream_comments: i have had wierd dreams for the past three nights... wats this mean? Comments: 513-020 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-006 Subject: Desert then Water Desert then Water dream_date: July 1, 2002 dream_text: My dream was in 2 parts. In the first I am a child living with a poor family in the desert. We live on a big hill with no water around. In the second part I am myself and I have left my husband of 18 yrs. I am living in a house with other women. The house is completely surrounded by water. The water even covers the floors of the house. Its not like a flood, its as if the water is normal. There is no land visible from the house. dream_comments: I have been married 18 yrs. I love my husband but am not 'in love' with him. However I AM in love with another man who has NOT been my lover. I have recently decided it is time to choose and I have attempted to contact the 'other man' to talk with him. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-007 Subject: Question: Ever been asked a question in a dream? dream_title: Ever been asked a question in a dream? dream_date: 23 June 2002 dream_text: Is it just me or are questions never asked of us in dreams? I've asked lots of questions in my dreams, been told alot of stuff, but, I've never had any dream character come up to me and ask me even the simplest question ever. I've talked to my friends about this and they say that they have never been asked a single question in a dream in their entire lives either. I did a search through Google and only found one reference on the entire Internet where somebody said that they had been asked a question in one of their dreams. Why is this such a rare event? Comments: 513-014, 513-021 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-008 Subject: Two Bears dream_title: Two Bears dream_date: 06/25/02 dream_text: K., S., and I are outside in the yard. K. is near the well house, S. is in the circle, and I am walking back from the mailbox. The suburban is parked in the upper driveway. K. begins yelling at what appears to be a large black dog behind the shed. He starts walking toward it, still shouting. As he reaches the side of the driveway, the animal comes out from behind the shed. It is a large black bear. K. stops in his tracks next to a tree. I jump in the suburban but do not close the door as I think it might startle the bear. S. runs for the house. The bear rears up on its hind legs and approaches K. It stops on the other side of the tree only inches away from him. K. stands perfectly still and begins talking to the bear. I sit in the car and watch with fascination. I am so wrapped up in the drama appearing before me that I do not notice that another bear has approached the car. The new bear sticks her face up to mine and begins sniffing. She takes a paw and brushes up against my leg. I am not afraid, only curious. I am trying to watch K. and this bear and the same time. K. is still talking to his bear and it appears to be listening. My bear continues to sniff at me and touch me with its paw. I can smell the mustiness of the bear. I can feel its paw as it brushes my leg and arm. Then both bears turn and begin walking away. K. and I remain where we are for a few minutes until they are out of sight and then walk toward the house. dream_comments: K. is my husband and S. is my grown son who no longer lives at home. When I awoke, I imagined that I could still feel where the bear had brushed my leg with its paw. Comments: 513-022 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-009 Subject: Balloons dream_title: Balloons dream_date: Many years ago dream_text: Years ago I dreamed that I was on a beautiful beach on a beautiful day. The sky was a brilliant blue and I was standing on a board walk. The sand around me was clean and warm and a light sandy color. I was looking up at a bouguet of primary colored large balloons (red, blue green yellow, etc.) floating over me and I was trying to catch them. Suddenly there was a great booming voice that seemed to come out of the heavens and it said, very authoritavly, "you will catch the balloon, someday, you will catch the balloon." dream_comments: I have never forgotten this dream and I would love to know what it meant. Can anyone help intepret it for me? Thank you Comments: 513-013, 513-025, 514-004 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-010 Subject: Angel's Heaven dream_title: Angel's Heaven dream_date: 26 June 2002 dream_text: My dream are about the angels help us to save the world from evils angels. We was attacked against them and the world was shaked then the God stop the evils to do this and destroyed them and the world become peaceful again. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-011 Subject: House of the dead dream_title: House of the dead dream_date: re-occouring dream_text: I wake up in a very soft bed, I'm in a mansion- the walls are a creamy colour and the floor is red. Its a re-occouring dream, but something changes everytime. When I open the door there is already a zombie creeping round the corner (with the same colour theme). He scratches on the wall and slowly draggs himself to me. (Once I stayed in my room and blocked the door, but another ting came in through the window. It had a dislocated jaw, glowing eyes and wings. It smashed in through the window and its claw reached out, I think it was trying to grab me.) But anyway, I run round this house trying to find a way out being bombarded with zombies at every turn, every night I die a gory death then wake up in my own bed. Before I die I see a blue skull with a fireball in its mouth. Its like being trapped in a video game, I try something diffrent every time but to no avail. I always die, now I have noticed that the thing that came in through the window is following me, not chasing, but following- whereas the others just attack me if I get too close. I see these dreams in third person, like I'm my mind just watching my body run blindly round this place. And I ALWAYS die. It's not fun, I'll tell you now, any help out there? dream_comments: Like I said, I think its a video game. I've been trying to solve it, because the 'mind' is awake and has little controle over the body. I think I have to find the blue skull and do something to it, and that thing IS following me. I'm not sure if it wants help or if its trying to kill me... but I know that skull has something to do with it. Comments: 513-024 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-012 Subject: Cliff Hanger dream_title: Cliff Hanger dream_date: 23rd June 2002 dream_text: I found myself sitting on a narrow ledge made of earth part way down a very steep cliff. I looked down and my feet were dangling free to a sheer drop down to a deserted beach. Iwas very afraid and knew there was no way of pulling myself to safety. To my right i suddenly became aware of a young man about six feet away. I turned my head to him and asked him if he could help me but instantly told him not to as he would endanger himself. at this point my left hand came loose from my grasp of the ledge and was holding a piece of earth . I knew I was about to fall to my death.. At this moment the young man whowas very handsome with blonde hair came towards me to embrace and comfort me. I was afraid he would fall and told him to be careful. He moved towards me and embraced me and I saw in his eyes that he was there to committ suicide. He held me as we both fell to our deaths.. I told myself that I should just relax as there was nothing i could do.. We fell together. I did not feel the impact but woke up and found myself in a room and could hear a male voice behind me. I asked where i had been found and the voice told me ' on the television' I looked and saw that the TV was all smashed but the screen was in tact. I got up and walked into a kitchen where I found a young black woman rocking a pram. A beautiful black baby was in the pram and I knew it was a girl. i asked what her name was and the woman said Cassy. I woke up Comments: 513-023 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-013 [513-009] Subject: Re: Balloons Recently my wife did a art theraphy class. She painted a balloon with me and her in it. We believe it means something very wonderful. Yes something very wonderful is signified by it. Infact to seal the expression we have made a goal to ride in one soon. Our marriage is soaring and the freedom a balloon creates for us is amazing. (Weve been together 16years). Our marriage keeps getting better and better, and we equate the symbol of the balloon as a revelation of what new thing, is happening in our lives. I believe this dream/vision is a picture of you hope for better things. The voice you heard is God telling you... You've Got It! Because you have recalled this dream tells me you never let go of that hope. I'm believing with you that its not long now. A balloon gives a sence of reaching impressive heights while being relaxed or at peace during the excitement of it. Finding your position in life and being comfortable with it. If you have been anxious because you are a visionary, then its the letting go of controlling the future, that sets you free to experiece the hope. God Bless. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-014 [513-007] Subject: Re: Question: Ever been asked a question in a dream? Good question. I get asked often in dreams. Answering them has helped me grow in interpreting and taking control of possible events that may occur in my life.(That dreams may be warning of, or creating within my subconcious). Its sounds like you are maturing to a point of trust and understanding in you life. This is where you move from second best being a way of life, to second best being a humble choice you make, for a more satisfying goal. Do you interpret dreams? I'd like to hear some of your thoughts. Maybe we'll hear from you soon on dreamflow. May the questioning increace. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-015 [512-006] Subject: Re: the woman hi, thnx for ure info, actually i'm only 1/4 irish but 2/4 scottish. do you know ne thing else about this, banshee?? thnx again ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-016 [513-002] Subject: Re: murder well, i don't think that ne one can tell you exactly what ure dream can mean, cuz its your dreams. but first i can tell you not to be too frightened. did you try to explore your dreams more, for ex. before you go to sleep at night imagine yourself taking control of your dreams and instead of watching them die, maybe the charecters are just waiting for you to rescue them? or perhaps there is something in your life that you think you are failing and the murders represent the goals or dreams in your life that are slowly dying or u think you can't accomplish? hope it helps some.. goodluck.. and don't be scared, your not alone. i used to see that kind of stuff, only it was me always dying, maybe you just need to talk it out? just remember, everything is alright in the end, and if its not alright, then its not the end... :) ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-017 [512-008] Subject: Re: Painting the road maybe you might be waiting for some one to point you in the right direction in your life? becuase in many points in your dream you had some one tell you what to do or show you the right path to take. and at one point drive you there. and perhaps you want to do something but aren't sure you can do it alone so your waiting for some one else to do it first to make sure that its ok. the bright colors might symbolize something new and exciting and the pearlized part might balance that out my the softer more comforting colors. hope it helps! :) ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-018 [513-003] Subject: Re: shooting hisself in the head perhaps he is having trouble accepting something in his life, or he is giving up on something in reality. it doesn't nessesarily mean he is suicidal. maybe this is his subconcious' way of telling him that he needs to sit and think about all the different things going on in his life, maybe he is overlooking something important or that something is wrong or missing. good luck. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-019 [513-004] Subject: Re: boyfriend trouble??? breaking your ankle is a major thing to your body, maybe its just trying to deal with the accident. as far as the burning blankets maybe you want the relationship to be more heated, more intimate or you don't want it at all. maybe this dream is just trying to tell you to follow your heart. people tend to dream alot when they are under alot of stress or are trying to decide something. its the body's way of relaxing and organizing things while it rests. good luck! ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-020 [513-005] Subject: Re: Concert maybe you are scared of something. perhaps of you having to take charge of a situation and no one taking you seriously? good luck! ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-021 [513-007] Subject: Re: Question: Ever been asked a question in a dream? lemme just ask you one Q... why would your mind need to ask itself something that it already knows? ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-022 [513-008] Subject: Re: Two Bears maybe this represents change. your son going into the house, symbolizes his leaving home and the bears are a sense of change, perhaps even some danger, but the facts that you are curious and unafraid and that you and your hubby remain alright and unharmed at the end of the dream, maybe mean that ya'll will be alright no matter what changes or situations ya'll must go through, together or apart. :) ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-023 [513-012] Subject: Re: Cliff Hanger perhaps you are scared of ending one chapter in your life(falling off the cliff) but are slowly realizing that the new chapter you are about to begin may be a chance for something new and beautiful (symbolized by the baby) as far as the handsome man falling with you, maybe you are looking for some one to talk to and to be with you through this change. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-024 [513-011] Subject: Re: House of the dead maybe its a reacurring problem in your life. i'm not sure what to think about the skull and the thing following you, all i know to tell you is goodluck. try your best, and since its a dream that you have often, tryi different things. like talking to the thing following you, or try grabbing the skull. just remember if you really concentrate you can control your actions in your dreams, although its hard. dreams are fragments of stress and things you see in your everyday life that are mushed up in your mind and are put together at night while you are asleep, as a way to relax and sort the days happenings out ____________________________________________________________ Message: 513-025 [513-009] Subject: Re: Balloons maybe the balloons represent your inner goals and things you want to accomplish in your life, the voice is merely you telling yourself not to worry and not to give up that some day you will 'get the balloons' and make your 'dreams' come true. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 514-001 Subject: Crazeness dream_title: Crazeness dream_date: 07/02/2002 dream_text: The night I saw this dream was a fun night. With my two female friends, we drank and then played truth or dare. Mostly choosing dare, we got to kiss each other and do crazy positions a lot. The night ended, and I had this strange dream about the guy that these girls had dated long ago in common! They had both dated him in different times. He was talking to me about how I had been over years. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 514-002 Subject: gloves dream_title: gloves dream_date: 01/07/02 dream_text: I dreamt that I had a new pair of leather gloves on but when I looked down all the leather on the palm of my hands had been worn away. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 514-003 Subject: My Wedding? dream_title: My Wedding? dream_date: July 1st, 2002 dream_text: I was at my own wedding reception, at my country club that I work at. The strange thing is, there were only a few people there, and no bridal party what so ever. It was basically me, and my bride. The thing that got me thinking about this dream is, my "bride" was an ex-girlfriend who I broke up with in a bad way, and have wanted her back pretty much ever since, but she won't give me the time of day anymore, and I don't blame her. I think about her very often and often ask, "What if?" dream_comments: I regret the day I broke up with her because I think we could still be together. What does this dream mean??? ____________________________________________________________ Message: 514-004 [513-009] Subject: Re: Balloons Thanks [name removed]. I think you may be right. Your interpretation makes sense to me. I appreciate your response. [name removed] ____________________________________________________________ Message: 515-001 Subject: dream manipulation dream_title: dream manipulation dream_text: I am able to manipulate my dreams. Is this common? In my dream i am aware that i am dreaming and know that i can do anything without consequences. This usually involves taking advantage of women. I go up to any woman and take her shirt off and feel her breasts or squeeze them hard. The whole time i am thinking - don't wake up. Sometimes the women have deformed breasts or in one occasion, 4 breasts. They don't fight me off or resist at all. The last such dream involved spanking two women side by side. These manipulative dreams occur very infrequently. Most of my other dreams are very vivid and i think in color. I am usually able to recall in great detail my dreams; even days later. I would love to know if anyone else has any simular experiences. dream_comments: It is hard to describe my dreams where i am able to control what i do in them cuz they are pretty sexual. I'm very curious to know if others can manipulate their dreams. I also yell VERY loudly in my sleep when i have consumed a lot of beer. Please publish my e-mail address so i can hear from others who might have had simular experiences. bobboreb@adelphia.net comments: 519-001 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 515-002 Subject: ex-boyfriend's dream_title: ex-boyfriend's dream_date: July 2 2002 dream_text: well, It takes place after My fiend and I Left our summer program early and she was driving. I thought she was a/b to take me home when she pulled into my ex-boyfriend's driveway. I was confused-I didn't know why. So I went to the door and he opened it. He didn't look shocked to see me-like was expecting me. He had some people over. People I knew seen him hand out with or yet expected him to. He told them my name and they said"Nice to meet you, but we're a/b to go." And they told him they'll see him later. So I don't know why I started to look around his house. It seemed a little different only room that looked the same was his room and the living room. Next thing I know where on the couch in the living room-I was on him. I asked him if he was planning to leave with those guys that was over. He said"I was until I saw you." I told him that I could have came back. But he said" no, that's okay-I didn't want to pass up an opportunity." And his kissed me very passionately and I proceed to kiss back and we were a/b to you know but I woke up. dream_comments: It's very weird b/c He's with another girl and got a fiance so I want to know what's this is about comments: 513-003 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 515-003 [513-002] Subject: Re: ex-boyfriend's do you think that maybe your not fully over him? perhaps you regret or mourn the fact that ya'll arent' together anymore. the different rooms representing the changes in both your lives. do you hope he will come back to you? perchance you should ponder about your feelings for him... if there are any to ponder about.... ____________________________________________________________ Message: 516-001 Subject: Ganesh...well sort of dream_title: Ganesh...well sort of dream_date: cant remember (over 1 year) dream_text: The dream sequence opens up in a darkly illuminated somber carnival. I can feel the presence of a good friend of mine at my left but slightly behind my peripheral vision. Its odd because a majority of my dreams move in a sort of fast frame, kind of like the movement under a strobe light. okay, so i walk through this carnival starting in the middle and i approach the center "grand tent" where all the main attractions take place. a sence of foreboding looms above me as i come to the realization that im not suppose to be here because everything is closed to the general public. Suddenly there is a flash and im standing inside the center ring of the grand tent and i no longer have the accompaniment of my companion. I gaze up at the endless rows of empty seats and another flash occurs. i am now standing at the top of the seats looking down below. my eyes scan the entire room and as if i had "super vision" like binoculars, i zero in on this levitating elephant with eight arms and each of the "hands" were holding a white candle (each lit). i stare completely mystified at this beautiful creature, and it had an odd aura of light around it, like a visible echo. that is the best way i can describe what i saw. dream_comments: after such a long period of time of having this dream, it still remains as vivid in my memory as when i dreampt it. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 516-002 [514-003] Subject: Re: My Wedding? Your dream most likely reflects how you wish you could've known what might have been. Those dreams mean that you're thinking about your ex way too much, and if the dreams bother you maybe you should find something to occupy yourself throughout the day so you're not mourning this breakup. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 516-003 [514-002] Subject: Re: gloves You sound guilty, as if you did something and your subconscious wants to haunt you for it. Because part of your gloves were worn away, you probably feel that you should confess about something that you did, no matter how long ago or how petty it was. There is also that theory that if the palm of someone's hand is uncomfortable it means they will be coming into a lot of money soon. I think that you are the only one who can interpret you dream. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 517-001 #ed.note: post removed# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 518-001 Subject: swimming dream_title: swimming dream_date: 06-25-02 dream_text: i dreamed that i was swimming in a lake with my family and some guy was running in the lake and we where watching him flip himself into the lake and then my daughter was lying face down in the lake we grab her out she was not breathing i hit her on her back and she strated to a braeth again then it was a long walk to the shore dream_comments: it was scary ____________________________________________________________ Message: 518-002 Subject: 60% dream_title: 60% dream_date: 4.7.2002 dream_text: all i can remember is that i was in my city and the streets were full of young people. i was feeling good begause the atmosphere was cheerfull. than i look at this good looking girl and we started chatting very bizarrly. she started chasin me. i ran and she ran after me. i was running and laughing until i entered this classroom. there were a few students and teachers. i turn my eyes on a table and there was a paper in which i read these words exactly: 60% you are alone. then i woke up dream_comments: i don't understand it quite well. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 518-003 Subject: sharks dream_title: sharks dream_date: 06/01/02 dream_text: large great white sharks keep coming up to the shore and clear water and coming up and out the water and showing there teeth by opening there mouths tords me and they are very close i wake up in poring sweat and so scared dream_comments: why do they keep coming back and why do i dream about sharks, why do i wake up in sweat and feel so scared and heart beating fast ____________________________________________________________ Message: 518-004 Subject: Living in a Ditch dream_title: Living in a Ditch dream_date: 1996 dream_text: I was living in a ditch with a bunch of other people and it seemed quite normal. I was lying on the ground, and my daughter was about 3 or 4, and she could crawl in and out of my stomach, it was as if my stomach was open, like a bed for her, and I was smoking. There was an open field, and there were tornadoes coming across the field at us, and I started to panic in my dream and that's when I woke up. dream_comments: I was pregnant with my first child when I had this dream. I've had many dreams about tornadoes, and I'm trying to find out if they have some kind of symbolic meaning. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 519-001 [515-001] Subject: Re: dream manipulation Hello Dreamer, You've asked about two things. 1) The dreaming method you asked about, of being able to consciously and deliberately manipulate the dreamscape is a form of lucid dreaming. The dreamer is very much aware that he or she is dreaming and is working the dream to a conscious advantage. Are there others who do this? Of course, otherwise how could we know to put a name to it? Is it common? It's not rare to be able to do this, but it's not common, either. Personally, while I've done dream content manipulation, I just like to let them play out normally. There is a certain amount of discipline involved in being able to manipulate dreams, and most of us just want to sleep. However, dream manipulation can be an excellent tool to use when trying to sort out things like recurrent dreams, or even to deal a death blow to a nightmare. The thing about dreams is that we do do things that we would either never be able to do in real life, or would never consider doing. It is a safe haven for otherwise relatively quiet, reasonably intelligent, socially conscious, law-abiding consciousnesses to take a brief vacation from the laws of the land and the laws of physics and do the outrageous. To manipulate the dream on a conscious level is just to have this opportunity for a while longer, and perhaps take it a bit further, than the dream might have gone in the first place. Your comment about telling yourself not to wake up is an example of this. As far as the content of your dreams, Dreamer, sexually explicit dreams are very common, and we've all had them at one time or another. Sometimes they actually have to do with the sexual content that we see playing out in our heads, and sometimes they don't. In the case of consciously manipulating a sexually explicit dream scene, it may or may not have started out as symbolic action of the dream, but it ends as a consciously self- written, self-directed, self-acted x-rated film of the mind, one which we control and everybody else does as we wish. It's nice to be able finish dreams to our liking, but if manipulating sexually explicit dream scenes is the only thing that makes you pay attention in the dream world, then you're missing out. 2) Alcohol or other drugs alter our level of consciousness even when we're unconscious. A person may be be getting quantity time in an unconscious state following consumption of "a lot of beer", but it's not quality sleep time. Activity such as yelling during sleep following serious chuggalugging indicates that the brain is not reaching its optimal sleep level. One of the recommendations that's given to people with trouble sleeping is to not consume large quantities of any alcoholic beverage before going to bed. Aside from the full bladder sensation that eventually happens after massive amounts of beer, the brain's also dealing with the effect that alcohol itself always has on it, regardless of anybody's built level of tolerance for it. Sorry about the first part being so long, and the second part sounding like a lecture. Your message was kind of general, though, and not dealing with a specific dream, so my reply turns out more like an answer to a question. Hope it helps nonetheless. There is certainly meaning to the unmanipulated aspects of your dreams, but I think I'll pass on trying to help you interpret them. As far as remembering your dreams in great vivid detail and color, there are many who envy you this talent, as well as the ability to lucid dream and manipulate your dreams. Hope these talents serve you well in understanding your dreams and yourself. Happy dreaming, [name removed] ____________________________________________________________ Message: 519-002 Subject: White Owl dream_title: White Owl dream_date: 07/08/2002 dream_text: In my drem, I was being chased by a guy (stalker, the guy is someone I know) in a car. We were driving pretty fast on a hwy, then all of a sudden I was on foot running, as I turned on one street I was in the back of my friends scooter and we were also trailing away. Then whe both started running. As we reached a group of pedestrians I noticed that one of them had a white Owl on its shoulder. When I passed by the owl is started crying an ugly cry. When my friend passed by it it stood still, as I approached it again in began to cry louder and louder. Then the guy released the owl and it flew to me. When I reached out for it and held it for a quick second, the owl evaporated into white doves and they all flew away. Then there was a bright light that came towards me telling me that there was a message from god. Then what I believed was god approached me and told me this was my day to be sentenced he said, "You're going to hell" and I can't remember the rest. dream_comments: If any one knows what the white crying owl in my dreams represents along with being chased and the white doves, please e-mail me at geegee69@webtv.net Please use my name and my e-mail address, you may publish them. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 519-003 Subject: Auditorium dream_title: Auditorium dream_date: 07-08-02 dream_text: I am sitting in the auditorium at the school where I attend and I am eating candy but some one eats my rasins and I get really upset, my best friend is there and also one of my favorite teachers, the stage is behind me and the seats are placed on the opposite direction so I had to sit on the opposite direction. dream_comments: I couldn't find a seat at the beginning of my dream What does that mean? ____________________________________________________________ Message: 520-001 #ed.note: no content# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 520-002 Subject: September 11 dream_title: September 11 dream_date: Sept 9 dream_text: I was in a tall office building....And I was standing by the window looking out..and there were people all around me ...working and stuff...and I saw a plane coming towards me...and I realized it was going to crash into the building...So i screamed..and told for everyone to run for cover...Then I started running...and I remember feeling an the building shake..and I started running down the stairs..and i just kept running down what seemed like endless stairs..and I remember thinking the building was falling on top of me..and I was trying to out run the collapse of the building on top of me as it collapsed floor by floor...then finally I made it out the front door and as I made my first step outside i turned around and the entire building collapsed to the ground... Then i woke up...I don't work in an office building..and I didn't know of the people in my dream...and I there was nothing recognizable bout the environment dream_comments: I had this dream quite a while ago...and I've only shared it with 2 people...and only because it was before Sept 11th...and now I've been afraid to tell people..because I think they wont believe me or think Im weird..Anyhow I don't remember all the details anymore...But there it is PLEASE USE MY REAL NAME: MELISSA PLEASE USE MY EMAIL: MBCATX@AOL.COM comments: 521-002 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 520-003 Subject: Tears over the Toilet dream_title: Tears over the Toilet dream_date: June 27, 2002 dream_text: I was in my old highschol just walking around with a bunch of people. I can't remember exactly who the people were but I know they were friends. All of a sudden Ashley ran up to our big group and told us that Jack just died. Jack was a close friend of mine and everyone elses'. We were devistated to hear the news. I ran to the bathroom crying hystaricly. Beckie, Jack's Ex girlfriend was in there too. She was crying in one of the bathroom stalls. I went into the stall that she was in and we were both crying in front of the toilet. Ashley then came in and announced to us that Jack wasn't really dead she had just dreamed that he was. Beckie and I were still in shock at the idea that he was dead. Finally I stopped crying and I joined Kayla and we started walking down the halls in a joyous mood. Walking by people in the hall on our way to college. One of the halls in the high school turned into a hall to the university we were both going to. dream_comments: Why would I be crying with his ex-girlfriend and why were we crying in front of a toilet? Why did our old High School turn into college? ____________________________________________________________ Message: 520-004 #ed.note: no content# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 521-001 Subject: Wolf Attack dream_title: Wolf Attack dream_date: July 1o 2002 dream_text: I had a frightening dream last night, quite in the morning (after 5 am). I had had a peaceful sleep and had slept soundly for about 7 hrs before I had the dream. I dreamt that I met my sister in a cab, I was going home from a meeting with some uni friends; my sister was going home from a party from a club called LSD or Pharmacy (such place does not exist as far as I know). We took a drive and my sister warned the cab driver that the roads were slippery, as there was ice on the streets ( it was winter time). We turned to a yard and noticed a paw mark (very big & round) on a pile of snow. My sister mentioned something about bears. That's when I noticed we were approaching (on foot) our house in the country. It was quite dark. Inside the house were my mom & dad. After a while I remember my dad & I went to take a look outside, to see if we could spot the wolves we heard howling in the vicinity. I could just see a wolf's nose when I peeked from behind the door. After that, I tried to push the front door close but a puppy wolf kept trying to push the door open & come inside the house. He bit me on the hand. Having fought him a little while I caught him in the neck and kicked him outside. I saw him flying and thought I had killed him. After that another, full grown, wolf tried to come in and we killed her as well. then my mom & sister were outside & I was in the house + heard them fighting a yet another wolf. I let the wolf in the house in a sneaky way so my dister could get into the kitchen before the wolf did. my sister got a silvery hook (it was kind of a big sharp knive, but in the shape of a hook) and she run it through the wolf's neck anbd separated his head from his body. We though that was the last of the wolves but as we went outside, we could see a pack of wolves gathering in the woods. Our country house is located in a secluded area and there are very few people living nearby during the winter months. There are big French windows in the main sitting room, and I remember being frightened that the wolves would come in through the windows. It was winter time and there were heaps and heaps of snow behind which the wolves stood. they were coloured grey or light brown, one of them had a fur reminiscent of that of a lion. In the dream I was totally terrified as I saw the wolves gather and somehow felt there could be no escape. Then I woke up. I felt very frightened when I woke up, and was still totally caught up in the dream. I even tried to think of possible ways to escape from the wolves. Whilst dreaming I was very frightened. I could vividly feel the puppy scratch & bite my hand, and could see the strenght with which my sister stabbed the wolf in the neck. As the country house is a very dear place to me & I know every corner of the house + the yard by heart, the dream felt very real. THe house is located in the deep woods of eastern Finland, apparently there are wolves living around over there, but I have never seen one. I have always found the house a very safe place. Presently, everything is ok in my life, although I was involved in a minor car crash a couple of days ago (no-one was hurt) and will move abroad to study in a few months' time and feel a little subdued about that as I'm afraid I won't get to see my family as often as I'd like. Still, I've lived abroad before & have loved it over there. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 521-002 [520-002] Subject: Re: September 11 I had a very similar dream 3 days before 9/11. I am from the NY area, but have lived in Seattle for 4 years now. I dreamt I was in a very tall building and there was fire around us and the sound of loud bombs or something like it. I remember huddling with my mother & sister & little nephew, even though the environment was an office building. I was really worried about my father & brothers, who were not with us. I had this forboding feeling that we were in some kind of a war, & that my brothers were off trying to defend us. I remember feeling really scared that we would not see them again. I felt like the building was coming down around us. It was truly a premonition-type dream. I woke up very scared. What's scarier is that I know some people who died in the WTC on 9/11, 2 of which had dreams about 3 days before the attack. Their spouses told me about dreams that these 2 people had in which they knew they were going to die. One experienced her teeth falling out & another saw her dead grandfather who said "he would be with her - that everything will be ok!" Both of these people had premonitions of their own death. Very spooky! Please respond if anyone's had similar dreams about this. My name is Jennifer. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 522-001 Subject: daniel dream_title: daniel dream_date: 8/7/02 dream_text: my dream was about my ex boyfriand and another girl. she was telling me that he never loved me and that he never will and when I woke up I was scared dream_comments: why Was that dream can you tell me? ____________________________________________________________ Message: 522-002 Subject: Terrifying Relection dream_title: Terrifying Relection dream_date: June 2002 dream_text: I don't remember too much about this dream so I guess this won't do me much good bu here goes. The only thing I remember was looking into a mirror and seeing my reflection. It was scary. It was my face but different. I almost looked like I was dead. I wasn't rotting or anything. My face retained the same structure but I looked like zombie. My eyes were this horrible shade of a color. My face was also a different color. And the next thing I know I was covering my ears closing my eyes and screaming. I'm pretty sure I did this in my dream. I don't remember anything else. I'm not afraid of going to sleep but I never want that have that dream again. I don't even mind those dreams where my teeth fall out anymore. Although I haven't had one of those for a long time. dream_comments: I should tell a little about myself. I'm a guy despite the pen name I'm what people might call lazy and unmotivated. I dont know what I am doing with my life and I'm 19. I'm a shy person, I don't talk much. Even when surrounded by other people. I wouldn't say I'm anti-social. But I'm not as social as I'd like to be. I don't have very much confidence. (FYI I've never had a gf) I look into the mirror...a lot. I've probably spent half of the last several years just looking into the mirror seeing only my face. And thats pretty much all I see. If someone told me to look into the mirror and see who I am I would have a lot of difficulty doing that. Its like my mind is almost blank. Is my dream of a terrible reflection a sign of something that I haven't even thought of? ____________________________________________________________ Message: 522-003 Subject: Future Mother-In_Law Kills Her Own Son dream_title: Future Mother-In_Law Kills Her Own Son dream_date: 07-09-02 dream_text: I am not sure how it started... but I ended up at the home of my (hopefully) future husband (who we will call Dave). He was showing me through his house like it was my first time there. Then in the dining room, I met his mother and she didn't look anything like she really does. All of a sudden "Marla" goes off on me and we show up in my sisters room, "Marla" pulls out a knife and tries to stab me . "Dave" gets in the way trying to protect me and his mother stabs him in the chest. In rage that the only person I have ever truly loved is now dead I come back at her stabbing her over and over again. Until I am sure she is dead, then I crawl over to "Dave" and check him to see if he was actually dead. I try not to cry too hard as I feel no pulse and force myself out of the room. But then even after I was sure he was dead, I hear him gurgle my name. I run to him and kiss him softly then run and grab the phone. I dial 911 and get a busy signal. I try again and they say I have the wrong number. I try over and over panicing a lil more with each set back. I start weeping and smacking the phone on the table. Then I woke up. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 522-004 Subject: Drowning in Roachs dream_title: Drowning in Roachs dream_text: My house was filling up with roachs like a swimming pool.They were everywhere.they crowled out of me and my family's clouths and skin.we ate them , they were on our beds. finally, the house was so full that we drowned in them. They filled my nostrils ,and mouth ,and lungs, and ears .then I died ____________________________________________________________ Message: 522-005 Subject: scareout dream_title: scareout dream_text: Worms were falling from the sky and covering me like a blanket.since I hate them ,I was screaming and shaking my clouths and running .I was trying to shake them off. I kept screaming and brushing at them. I was afraid . They kept falling from the sky.I was literally drowning in them. It felt like the end of the world. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 523-001 #ed.note: post removed – non-dream post# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 523-002 Subject: upright like humans dream_title: upright like humans dream_date: 07-08-02 dream_text: I had a strange dream, but I do not remember what it was about.The only thing I remember is seeing these things that stood upright like humans ,some were white as snow, and some as black as tar.The strange thing about these things is they appeared to be naked,but had no genitals.Weird!!! dream_comments: I was wondering if anyone knew what this might symbolize? Comments: 524-002 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 524-001 Subject: you don't know what pain is dream_date: 14th July 2002 dreamer_name: Tracey dream_text: I really dont know what this dream meant, but before I went to bed I took some asprin, because my whole body was cramping up, and my boyfriend said it would be a good idea, because it thin's out your blood. So I took 2. I had this dream where these people which i have never seen before had taken over my house, I drove up, and my stomach was hurting a little, I walked inside, and I was continually asking these people what they were doing in my house, and they wouldn't answer me, then one of them turned around with a big samurai knife, and sliced my stomach, then he placed his hand in my stomach and pulled out my liver, and then he said, "If you think your stomach hurt before this, you don't know what pain is". Then I started to run to my car, and he followed me, before i could shut my door he grabbed my arm, I tried so hard to get away, and he said, "Don't ever take your boyfriends advice on what to have to ease pain before bed". Comments: 524-003, 524-004, 524-005 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 524-002 [523-002] Subject: Re: upright like humans There have been a lot of alien movies out lately, I have a feeling those creatures in your dream were aliens but they represented something that probably only you could figure out. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 524-003 [524-001] Subject: Re: you don't know what pain is Some brands of aspirin don't agree with people. Aspirin can and at times should be taken for cramps, but there are some kinds that disrupt the brain and irritate the stomach. They say that Tylenol is the best to take for everyone, especially if a person is on any type of medication at all. Tylenol is also gentle on the stomach. But if tylenol was what you took, you need to see a doctor immediately. Nightmares like that for no reason are a sign of a pretty bad physical illness. But I'm going to tell you though, that the man in the dream was right about one point: You never take aspirin just to thin your blood. You take it for pain and pain only. Some people try to take it for cold symptoms, but that's abusing the drug. #ed.note: remember, only a licensed MD should make medical recommendations# ____________________________________________________________ Message: 524-004 [524-001] Subject: Re: you don't know what pain is Sweety, they prescribe aspirin as a preventive against heart attack. A person should check with their doctor first, but it can be taken for that purpose. And Tylenol is not that safe. If taken often, it can cause serious liver damage. The research is fairly new, but there is no doubt I would take aspirin or Ibuprofin over Tylenol. I have to take Tylenol right now because I am pregnant and that is what my doctor has recommended. But my mother is a registered nurse on a renal floor. She has seen first hand what years of using Tylenol can do to a person's renal system. She hates that I have to take Tylenol, so I only use it if I really am in pain. Just wanted to pass this information along. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 524-005 [524-001] Subject: Re: you don't know what pain is I think that any kind of "school medicine" should only be taken if absolutely necessary because any drug whether aspirin, tylenol or whatever has a negative impact on your liver and other bodily functions. Maybe the nightmare can be taken as the advice not to take strong pills for slight pain. If it were my dream I'd probably see it that way. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 524-006 Subject: London House Dream_title: London House next to church Dream: I'm looking around a house in the centre of London, deciding whether I should buy it or not. From the first floor I have a great view across extensive grounds. Only a wire fence on one side of the garden is not a pretty sight. I am surprised to see such a big garden in the middle of town, and at such a cheap price, too. The back of the grounds is bordered by a high white wall. Beyond this stands a church. Suddenly I'm above the area, see that the whole part of town is dominated by white solid prison walls. Then I walk on a cobbled path towards the little church, next to me is the vicar who wears a mouldy blue jacket. He is very old,grey and ugly and has put one arm around my shoulders. I think that's disgusting, but feel sorry for him aswell. comment: I'm not planning to move to London at present. Comments: 525-001 ____________________________________________________________ Message: 525-001 [524-006] Subject: Re: London House You have conflicting feelings about religion. The war may have triggered that. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 526-001 Subject: sara dream_title: sara dream_date: ? may 2002 dream_text: My sister was living down the coast and she was living in a room on the second floor of an apartment building. we were out near the beach and when we returned the apartment block was on fire i could see what was going on inside from a glass door i could feel the heat, most of the floor boards were caving in. when the fire was my sister and i entered the building from the top of the roof and we went to have a look at her room when we got in her room everything was left exactly how it was not one thing burnt the whole building was black nothing servived but her room and all her belongings were fine. We could still feel the heat from underneath our feet. we climbed out of the window on to the roof and it turned into a boat and i woke up ____________________________________________________________ Message: 526-002 Subject: Haunted house/Free the sea lions dream_title: Haunted house/Free the sea lions dream_date: 7/16/02 dream_text: I dreamed about my mothers home and the twin beds how uncomfortable they were that when my sister slept in one of the beds she was found dead lying face down into the mattress. I couldn't handle losing my sister so I took a ship out to sea and noticed fishermen fishing and pulling in a net full of sea lions and fish, and many flounders! The sea lions were setting themselves free by jumping over the net back into the sea, one by one. I was extactically excited for them to find freedom! dream_comments: I ate a big bowl of pasta and drank some wine before I passed out on my bed. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 526-003 Subject: home dream_title: home dream_date: 18th july, 2002 dream_text: i saw when i back to the homecountry airport and holding my mum, i cry and wake up. dream_comments: miss home ____________________________________________________________ Message: 526-004 Subject: End of the World dream_title: End of the World dream_date: Year 1998 dream_text: Dreamt that in the sky was a large clock and people were preparing for the world to end. I and some friends were gathered together so we can be together when it was time to go. When the clock struck 3:15 we were swept into a train with others, outside we could see thru the window swishing water and bubbles...we then were off the train and on a city block where everything was gray; buildings, people, street signs...the only people with vivid color was me and my friends. No one seem to notice us...we weren't there, they walk right pass us and I remember thinking how sad they looked. At that point one of my friends shot up toward the sky to show us that he could fly and told us to come on, we then shot up a flew...but at that instant we were back in the train. The train stopped and we were let out in a waiting station where people were in various lines. We got into a line to receive items handed out to each person. One line we received a small cream color cloth book, second line a small tin with a pastey substance...in the third line I got out to use the restroom and when I got back I did not receive the third item and was disappointed. I also remember thinking that the young man handing out the tin was very handsome and angelic and I remember feeling disappointed with myself to have such thoughts thinking that this was an angel and I was having wrong thoughts. dream_comments: What does this mean? ____________________________________________________________ Message: 526-005 Subject: Alligators dream_title: Alligators dream_date: year 2001 dream_text: Had a dream I was in a hospital helping some older ladies I know in real life. I was trying to get them comfortable in this place. There was a door that led outside, I opened it and right outside was a rushing river with two giant alligators that were preventing me to cross where across where people not aware of the danger they were in. They carried on; eating lunch at an outside cafe, chatting, laughing, all unaware. I spent my time trying to figure out how to get them help. dream_comments: What does this mean? ____________________________________________________________ Message: 526-006 Subject: Elephants dream_title: Elephants dream_date: year 2002 dream_text: Was driving in a car with my daugther and in the busy street were a pack of elephants angryily stampedeing towards us. We pulled to the side and watched as these elephants destroyed the homes that had severed elephant parts in the yard. dream_comments: What does that mean? ____________________________________________________________ Message: 526-007 Subject: Bullfrogs dream_title: Bullfrogs dream_date: July, 2002 dream_text: There were large bullfrogs swallowing large turtles and regergatating them. This happened three times. I was digusted by seeing this and was making sure I wasn't getting any of the vomit on me. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 526-008 Subject: going to be late dream_title: going to be late dream_date: 07/15/02 dream_text: I was in the first car I ever owned with a best friend. I was driving down a familiar road in my town. The road I wanted to turn on was blocked by potted, purple plants. I swerved suddenly to not hit the plants and heard my tires squeeling. The next thing I know, my friend and I are walking doen the blocked street, but it has turned into a pier with water on both sides(I remember not being able to see the end). I was calm, as was the water around us. There were alot of people on the pier, but it was not crowded. Thinking back, the atmosphere was carnival like, although there was nothing to see on the pier but unfamiliar people and my friend. I was upset with my friend because I felt that she was holding us up(she was not doing anything diffrent fom me in the dream, just walking at a slow pace down the pier). I kept telling her to hurry or we'd be late for school, I had a feeling of school meaning high school, although we both graduated about 6 years ago. ____________________________________________________________ Message: 526-009 Subject: smoking crack!!!!! dream_title: crack dream_date: July 17...my b-day!!! dream_text: I was riding in the back seat of a car with 3 other people, I dont remember who they were. I dont think it was anyone I knew in life. They were passing around a crack pipe and I smoked some. In the dream, I was wondering why I was doing it, and didnt like it either. When I looked at the pipe it looked like it had paint in it. I threw the pipe under the car seat. Next thing I knew I was in someones house. My boyfriend was there and I was getting really amped and tweaking out. 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