E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Subscribe: electric-dreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: electric-dreams-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Subscribe Online: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electric-dreams o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Volume #9 Issue #7 July 2002 ISSN# 1089 4284 o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Download a cover for this issue! http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o C O N T E N T S ++ Editor's Notes New Dream Editor, Elizabeth Westlake ++ The Global Dreaming News Events - Updates - Reviews - More From Peggy Coats - www.DreamTree.com ++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange By Lucy Gillis ++ Article: The World Dreams Peace Bridge as a Long-Term Journaling Project By Jean Campbell ++ Article: Flying Through Science Fiction and Fantasy By Linda Lane Magall¢n ++ Article & Research Data: Computer Dreams Digital Dreaming Series #9a: DATA : Selected Dream entries from July 2001 to September 11, 2001 and #9b The Digital Archetype: Discussions from the C.G. Jung Bulletin Board. By Richard Catlett Wilkerson D R E A M S S E C T I O N : Volume #468 - #502 With Elizabeth Westlake and Harry Bosma D E A D L I N E : July 17th deadline for July 2002 submissions XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Send Dreams and Comments on Dreams to: Richard Wilkerson Send Dreaming News and Calendar Events to: Peggy Coats Send Articles and Subscription concerns to: Richard Wilkerson: o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Editor's Notes o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Welcome to the July 2002 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to dreams and dreaming online. If you are new to dreams and dreaming, please join us on dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the resources you need. To join send an e to dreamchatters-subscribe@yahoogroups.com With great pleasure I would like to introduce you to the new Dream Section editor! Please welcome Elizabeth Westlake writer@mochamail.com who has joined the Electric Dreams staff as the Dream Editor beginning with this July issue. If you take even a little peek at the dream section, you will notice that it is has become magically transformed in Elizabeth's hands. You can now find cross references on comments, avoid reading duplications, and generally see that the whole format is quite approachable. Elizabeth has been working as a dream interpreter for over five years, both for herself and for others. " Until recently (with the demise of the Webseed Network) I was the managing editor of their dream interpretation site, DreamersHaven.com. I'm currently working on my new site, DreamersOasis.com. I'm still tweaking the CMS (themes, formats, etc.) so it doesn't have any actual content in it yet. " EW If you have dreams you would like added to the Electric Dreams section on dreams, please don't send those to us directly, but rather put then in the dream-flow. You can do this by either subscribing directly dream-flow-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or submitting to the form at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple/ Our news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has gathered dreaming news from around the world. In the Global Dreaming News you will find the latest dream and dreamwork events, conferences, and seminars. Also you will find research and research requests for subject, updates on your favorite dream websites, book reviews and more. If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy, send them to her at web@dreamtree.com In this month's Excerpts from the Lucid Dream Exchange, Lucy Gillis herself gets interviewed! If you are interested in what leads people to lucid dreaming and the background of a lucid dreamer, this interview is for you! Are you interested in World Peace? If so, Jean Campbell may help you understand how proactive dreaming can be used to being the global peace process. Since 9-11 Jean has been interested in the reverberations through the dream world and has been involved in a variety of projects that will allow us to dream a new world. Join the World Dream Peace Bridge and read "The World Dreams Peace Bridge: As a Long-Term Journaling Project" Linda Land Magall¢n has been observing for some time how fantasy and sci-fi stories mimic the activities of the flying dreamer. In "Flying Through Science Fiction and Fantasy" Linda explores the texts in some detail and shows how to use paperbacks, comic strips and even children's picture books to incubate flying dreams. A short time ago I was asked a question about the Computer Dreams project that I found interesting. How do the archetypes fit in with computer dreams? You will find some of my thoughts about this in my article "The Digital Archetype: Discussions from the C.G. Jung Bulletin Board." Also included are more dreams from the computer dreams research project. Most of the survey information has been removed, and if you are a researcher and need this information, contact me. What I am presenting here are the raw dreams themselves, with the focus less on who is having them, than what kinds of content they contain. As we move into the Digital Age, these dreams make for fascinating reading. This selection are the dream of the summer before 9-11. Be sure to look through Computer Dreams Digital Dreaming Series #9a: DATA : Selected Dream entries from July 2001 to September 11, 2001 By the way, the Association for the Study of Dreams just ended their 19th Annual International Conference. You can see the abstracts as well as the dream inspired art show and dream telepathy contest winners at http://www.asdreams.org/2002 The dream inspired Art Exhibit is also online: http://www.asdreams.org/2002 http://www.asdreams.org/2001 Our cover artist this month is Dale Shearon. Dale is a former school teacher who currently works as a freelance designer in the Seattle, WA. area. His background outside of education is art and photography, two artforms he likes to blend into his work. The image for this cover consists of multiple copies of three photographs along with his pet image, a scan of an old fashioned magnifying glass. His current project is an interactive CD portfolio for an artist using Macromedia Flash and Adobe's PhotoShop and Illustrator. Dale welcomes e-mail comments. His address is dale@speculardesign.com His web site is www.speculardesign.com Dale is a solid sleeper who seldom recalls his dreams, but has had an excellent flight dream. We don't send the cover with the e-zine, but you can view, download and print up a copy anytime at: http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers/ -------------------- Our dream-flow Dreams this month come from all around the Net and have been organized by the software developed by Harry Bosma. Be sure to look through the dreams and see what on the mind and soul of dreamers in Cyberspace. Thanks to all who sent in information for the Dream Resources pages. There is still time to get your site updated. You can look through our collected website links at: http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/ For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to stop by one of the many resources: http://www.dreamtree.com http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library -Richard Wilkerson /////////////////////////////////////////////////////// <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S July 2002 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats, pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at http://www.dreamtree.com/News/global.htm. This Month's Features: NEWS - Kelly Bulkeley releases several dream articles - Patricia Garfield's Pajama Party at BookPassage WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES - Kristine Mann Library (C.G. Jung) DREAM CALENDAR for June-July 2002 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< N E W S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>> Kelly Bulkeley releases several dream articles http://www.kellybulkeley.com Kelly Bulkeley, one of the dream field's most prominent scholars, now has several of his articles online. There are also book reviews and other resources. Here is a list of the articles: (2002). Reflections on the Dream Traditions of Islam. Sleep and Hypnosis. (pdf) (2002). Dream Reports for "Dream Content and Political Ideology." Dreaming 12(2). (2001). The Strange Politics of Dreaming (2000). AAR 2001 Presentation: Penelope as Dreamer: The Perils of Interpretation (2000) Transforming Dreams: Learning Spiritual Lessons from the Dreams You Never Forget. Dream Time Magazine 17(1), pp. 6-7. (1999). The Varieties of Religious Dream Experience. The Introduction to Visions of the Night (Albany, NY: SUNY) (1996). From the Yellow Brick Road to Freddy's Razor Claws: Films, Dreams, and American Society. Santa Clara University. Based on a Presentation Made at the 1996 Annual Meeting of the American Academy of Religion. (1996) Political Dreaming: Dreams of the 1992 Presidential Election. Chapter 10 from Among All These Dreamers (SUNY Press) (1995). Snakes. Chapter 2 from: Spiritual Dreaming: A Cross- Cultural and Historical Journey. New York, NY: Paulist Press. (1994) Dream-Sharing Groups, Spirituality, and Community. Presentation made to the Person, Culture and Religion Group at the Annual Meeting of the American Academy of Religion, Chicago, Illinois. >>>> Patricia Garfield's Pajama Party at BookPassage Patricia Garfield Fri., June 28, 7:00 pm Join us for a pajama party Patricia Garfield talks about The Dream Book: A Young Person's Guide to Understanding Dreams ($9.95). Garfield discusses the dreams and nightmares most 10 to 14 year-olds experience. She doesn't just tell readers what their dreams mean, she tells them how to work with their dreams to lead a better waking life. Most importantly, she explains what dreams tell readers about themselves how dreams can provide self-knowledge, help develop self-confidence, and forge personal identity. Come dressed in your pj's and make yourself comfy. Snacks provided. Garfield is the author of Creative Dreaming The address of Book Passage is 51 Tamal Vista Boulevard, Corte Madera, CA 94925. Telephone is: 800-999-7909 Directions at: http://www.bookpassage.com/newsletter/mayjun02/12.html <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< W E B S I T E & O N L I N E U P D A T E S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a public projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes to the links page to us. >>>> The Kristine Mann Library of the Analytical Psychology Club at the C.G. Jung Center of New York http://www.junglibrary.org/ Focused on the work of Carl Gustav Jung, the Kristine Mann Library is a resource for Jungian studies. The KML, established in the 1940's by the Analytical Psychology Club of New York, collects and catalogs books, papers, journals, audiovisuals and other materials by and about C.G. Jung and others in the field of Jungian psychology. The KML collection also includes materials in related areas of study, such as Eastern and Western religions, alchemy, mythology, symbolism, the arts, anthropology, psychoanalysis and general psychology. There is a special article/talk transcription on dreams: Dreams: A Way of Listening to God? I. Presentation by Dr. Gerard Condon 2. Response by Dr. Harry Fogarty and Audience Discussion Also very special, a database search of abstracts of C. G. Jung's Collected Works! >>>> Electric Dreams Articles Archive http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-articles/ Where can you find hundreds or articles on dreams, dreaming and dreamwork online? The Electric Dreams Articles Archive! Electric Dreams has offered itself as a forum for free thinking dreamworkers since 1994 and you can view the whole collection at the Archive. Search for your favorite author's by name from Anderson to Zafren, or do a keyword search for topics. Articles, interviews, columns on topics such as computer dreams, apocalyptic dreams, dreamwork theory, Jung, Freud, Adler, Garfield, Bulkeley. Explore lucid dreaming with articles by LaBerge and Gillis, Gachenbach and Magallon. Look into psi dreaming events and theory. Find out the latest ideas in dream sharing online. Be an Electric Dreamer and stop by the Electric Dreams Articles archive. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< D R E A M C A L E N D A R June-July 2002 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< June 28 in Corte Madera, CA Patricia Garfield Fri., June 28, 7:00 pm Book Passage: 51 Tamal Vista Boulevard, Corte Madera, CA 94925. Telephone is: 800-999-7909 Directions at: http://www.bookpassage.com/newsletter/mayjun02/12.html June 29-30 in Santa Fe, NM "Dreaming Other Lives and Other Worlds", a weekend workshop with Robert Moss. For more information, Contact Shirley at (505) 982 - 2158 or email lizrdwymon@aol.com July 6-12 in the Netherlands Annual Summer Kaplan-Williams Dreamwork Intensive http://dreamwork2000.com/ Jul 20-21 in Orinda, CA Class on "Dreaming as a Spiritual Practice," at John F. Kennedy University with author Kelley Bulkeley. For more information, visit the website at http://www.kellybulkeley.com/upcoming_events.htm o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange By Lucy Gillis o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o In the last issue of the Lucid Dream Exchange I interviewed co- editor Robert Waggoner, for his regular column "DreamSpeak - An Interview with a Lucid Dreamer." Turning the tables for the current issue, Robert has interviewed me. (Nice thing about being co-editor is that I got to be as wordy as I pleased...so, if you'll indulge a rambling dreamer, here we go! ******** DreamSpeak - An Interview with a Lucid Dreamer Robert Waggoner interviews LDE co-editor, Lucy Gillis. Robert: So Lucy, how long have you been lucid dreaming? How did you begin? Lucy: I've been remembering lucid dreams for almost 15 years now. I began after I read one of Jane Robert's Seth books in which Seth said that you could become conscious in your dream. I was fascinated by the idea and wondered if it could really be possible. Then a few months later I did it - spontaneously. Robert: Tell us about your first lucid dream. Lucy: It was very brief, and I became lucid only at the very end, seconds before I woke: Meeting My Inner Shelf December 14 1987 A young woman and I are in a university dorm room, getting ready to go to a lecture on Edgar Cayce, when all of a sudden the features in the room are gone and the young woman has become sinister-looking. She is dressed in tight black leather and wears an elaborate ornamental headpiece. She now stands about two metres above me, holding a shining sword, raised and ready to strike. I discover I am now tangled among thick ropes, pinned against a wall, holding on tightly to keep from dropping. There is no floor below me, only a dark void. I know that with one slash of her sword, the ropes will break and I will fall into the nothingness below. She begins to chant something Satanic; one word over and over. I look down into the blackness and think "Shelf. I need a shelf." I release my grip and somehow know that a shelf will appear below me. It does so instantly. When I land, I look back up at the woman, with a slow triumphant smile. I know I'm dreaming. She begins to vanish, like mist, as I open my eyes to purposely end the dream. Robert: What did you think when you woke up? Lucy: To say I was excited is an understatement. I was ecstatic! I could feel a tremendous rush of excitement, like electricity coursing through my body. At the time I couldn't adequately articulate the new sense of freedom, and personal power I felt. It was almost overwhelming. I felt transformed, awakened. I became more and more interested in dreams and consciousness studies and began to read as much as I could on the subjects. Robert: Did you know any other lucid dreamers at the time? Lucy: No. Not one. But the Seth books were an incredible comfort and a great source of information as I explored my dream world. A few years later I read Stephen LaBerge's "Lucid Dreaming" and I was hooked even more! I had no idea that there was a "name" for these conscious dreams and that they had been be scientifically verified in sleep laboratories in England and the States. Through the Lucidity Institute I met and corresponded with other lucid dreamers and learned a tremendous amount from them. Robert: What were your early goals in lucid dreaming? Lucy: Well, basically just to get lucid! I participated in many Lucidity Institute experiments and therefore at the time, my goals were determined by the instructions in the experiments. As for personal goals, I did what most other new lucid dreamers do; fly, walk on water, walk through solid objects, change scenes at will, do outrageous things that I'd never dream of doing while awake! (Pardon the pun.) Robert: I recall reading about your use of singing to engage the lucid dream - tell us about that. How did that get started? Lucy: That started ten years ago. Again, I have to refer back to Jane Roberts and the Seth books, but this time more specifically to Jane's husband, Rob. In one of the books, I read that when he first began trying out of body or projection experiments, he once found himself hovering above his sleeping body but he couldn't seem to move anywhere. He noticed that he could hear his physical body snoring and decided to use the sound of his snoring as a way to propel himself away from his body. I thought that was such a great idea! The next day I used his technique. Here is part of that dream: Skates Flapping/Singing to Fly/Remembering Rob Butt's Technique July 6 1992 ...I hop up into the air trying to fly. I get up only a few centimetres. For some reason I am afraid to fly too high. I think of how I'd like to go into outer space but I'm nervous of trying that just yet. I don't even want to go higher than the buildings. I begin to sing "Aaah" as I jump. I take a breath, jump, and sing again. I recall reading yesterday that Robert Butts used the sound of his snoring to try to propel himself elsewhere while in the "astral state." So I sing louder, and sure enough, I can fly higher. I keep this up and soon I am flying down the street.... I sing "aaah" as loud as I can, but know that my sleeping body is soundless. I can feel the head and throat area of my sleeping body; it is motionless. I marvel at this feeling of duality; my solid sleeping body not moving while my lighter dream throat vibrates. I can't tell which throat is inside the other. At this point I know that I can go on with the dream or wake. I choose to wake so I can write this down immediately. Now when I say I am moved by a particular piece of music - I really mean it!! I use singing mostly for flying (I begin to sing and simultaneously I'll rise higher in the air, and usually my control of flight becomes better). But mostly I will sing about what I see or do, maybe to the tune of a popular song, or a tune I make up. This sometimes helps me to remember the dream when I wake. I won't always recall the exact words I sung, but the images and events I sang about are easily remembered. Perhaps someone versed in brain physiology could explain if this has any scientific basis. I recall Stephen LaBerge wrote about his experiments with singing and counting in lucid dreams and the corresponding brainwave patterns. I was very fascinated by the results. I'd be interested to hear if there has been any more research in this area. I hope to do more personal experimentation with this. If sound can help me to fly, remember my dreams, keep the dream going, what other things could it do? What about self- healing? Could singing or producing particular sounds in a lucid dream stimulate healing, or memory? Robert: What kind of songs would you sing - rock, pop, show tunes, Gordon Lightfoot ballads? (Note: Lucy is from Canada.) Lucy: "The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down, of the big lake they call 'Gitchie Gumee' ......" Whew! Good thing you can't hear me belting out "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" as I type this up! I like some Gordon Lightfoot - I admit it! - but I've never sung any of his songs in my dreams. I grew up in the 70's listening to hard rock and metal, so I am more likely to sing songs from that era. Judas Priest, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, etc. are always great to soar with! Sometimes I will just hum, or sing notes to the tune of a familiar song. For the requisite Canadian Content, (Canadian readers will know what I mean!) I have flown, swooping and soaring, while singing k.d. Lang's "Constant Craving." And of course the "Hockey Night in Canada" theme.....!!! Robert: I also recall that in lucid dreams, you felt that you might be dealing with "probable" events? What do you mean by "probable events" and what lucid dreams brought that idea up? This could take a long while to explain, but I'll try to be as concise as possible. Once again, I have to point back to the Seth books, for it is in those books that I learned about probable realities. Jane Robert's friend Sue Watkins had many lucid dreams of this nature, and it was in reading about her experiences in Robert's book "Seth, Dreams and Projection of Consciousness" that I got interested in this topic. (Several chapters were on the topic of dreams and probable realities.) As a very basic definition, think of a probable reality as a parallel reality. Almost identical to this world but with some differences. Now think of an infinite amount of them. Seth spoke of the probable field as one in which events are "rehearsed" before they are materialized in physical reality - if they are chosen to materialize at all. Those that aren't materialized here, are actualized in another probable (parallel) reality. Of course this is not done at an ego awareness level, but by the inner or higher self. (I'm really generalizing here.) Seth is not the only one to speak about ideas like these. Several theories of quantum physics support this too; the idea that for every decision made the alternate choices happen in other parallel realities. In other words, you walk down the street and chose to go right at the intersection. In some other reality, you have gone left. Any readers out there familiar with the British Comedy "Red Dwarf"? Ace Rimmer (what a guy!) is a probable version of Arnold Rimmer. The antics of the "Red Dwarf" crew often demonstrate beautifully some of the more interesting theories of quantum physics; time travel, parallel realities, multiple dimensions, consciousness creating reality, etc. But I digress.....(however, in another probable reality, I just keep rambling on about "Red Dwarf" and about how brilliant the writers are, and how the episode with the dream recorder was so cool....!) In some lucids I have met probable versions of myself, and probable versions of family and some friends. It is kind of difficult to explain how I know that they are probable versions and not just "regular" dream characters. The dream feels different. It is just a knowing. Some probable events are quite easy to spot. For instance, in one of my lucids, I literally say that "we are re-doing the probability," as we (myself and other dream characters) make slight alterations to the sequence of events, to see how simple changes can affect the outcome. In another instance, I watch as a building blows up, over and over again, each time I am in a different place, and wonder if I will survive or lose consciousness "this time." According to Seth we enter the probable field all the time in dreams, and that is how some events in our waking world get "created." We just don't recognize that we do so. But in a lucid dream, we are much more alert, and therefore, I believe, more likely to "catch ourselves in the act." Whether Seth and some of the quantum physicists are correct or not, makes no difference. These dreams are delightful and a heck of a lot of fun!! Robert: Do you think that your interest in physics entered in here - or anywhere else - in your lucid dreaming? Lucy: Absolutely. I've always been intrigued with some of the philosophical implications of quantum physics, particularly those that deal with parallel universes, or probable universes and how consciousness creates reality. If these theories are correct, (and I'd like to think they are!) then I feel that consciousness studies is the next step in discovering what we, and the universe(s) are all about. And what better way to study consciousness than from within the dream state? And as an aside, astronomy has always intrigued me, and since it is highly unlikely that I will ever travel to distant worlds or galaxies, then from a purely aesthetic point of view, lucid dreaming allows me my flights of fancy (another pun to pardon) and the opportunity to see what the wonders of the universe may look like. Robert: Nowadays, what techniques do you use to become lucid, or is it most likely to happen naturally? Lucy: Most likely it will happen spontaneously, but some gentle suggestions to myself throughout the day and just before sleeping have proved to be successful too. And it doesn't hurt to reality check once in a while. I can't count how many dreams in which I've done a reality check, out of habit, and been shocked and delighted to discover that I'm dreaming! Trying to read text or clocks is the usual check for me. Sometimes if there is no text or clock nearby I'll try poking my fingers through walls - but a lot of the time it doesn't work, so I'll assume I'm not dreaming. Funny, I never try poking my fingers into walls when I'm awake, though! Robert: What is it about lucid dreaming that intrigues you? Lucy: That you can live in two (or more!) worlds at once. Consciousness fascinates me. How we can dream in such detail, such wonderful scenes and activities, never ceases to amaze me. As I mentioned, I believe that consciousness creates reality. I feel closer to this process when lucid dreaming. When I am lucid I feel as though I am about to be let in on some great secret. When I awaken from a lucid I feel like I have accomplished something very special. It is a real morale booster that leaves me energized and in high spirits for the rest of the day. Robert: Tell us about one of your most personally interesting lucid dreams? Lucy: Since you brought up probable dreams, I'll include my favourite probable dream below, as it appears in my dream journal: The Probabilities Meeting May 15 1998 [Order of events may not be correct. I am staying over at a friend's apartment. I have many false awakenings, but always catch myself and continue to dream lucidly.] I am in Mark's living room. I realize that I am dreaming. I go out into the small hallway by the kitchen. I float and fly up and down the small hallway, wondering what I should do next. I think about going outside, but I don't want to go out in the cold morning air. At some point I find a small round mirror and I look at my image and the room reflected in it [I did not notice if the reflection was accurate], I try to get inside the mirror to see what I'll find there. After a few attempts I give up. Also at some point, a phone rings. I let the machine take the message, knowing it is from or about someone or something named Fabula Caprila. I look back into Mark's living room. I am not surprised to see two Karen's, a few other me's, and one or two other people. I know that I am dreaming and am seeing probable versions of people, myself included [from probable realities]. I am not perturbed, when some of them pop in and out of existence. I don't let the "non-linearity" or "non consistency" bother me. I know that that is just an aspect of the state we are in. Then I am standing on or above a large round table. There are at least two me's, and two or more Karen's and multiple other people as well as a couple, a man and a woman. The man and woman seem to stand out in my perception. I am at a meeting, a probabilities meeting. Expertly I quote from a Seth book, about learning to operate in the probability system. In my mind I "see" the title of the book as "The Search for Seth," but smiling, I remind myself that in "my" reality those quotes come from a book titled "Seth Speaks." Some of the other people here, would have "The Search for Seth" in their reality. I notice that the couple are not paying attention to me. They seem unaware that I'm here, or perhaps more accurately, unaware that they are here. Glancing around the table I become curious as to how many people here are aware that they are dreaming. I ask those who are listening how many of them realise that they are dreaming right now. I am pleased to see a few hands go up, pleased also to see a me with her hand up. The couple continue to talk between themselves, oblivious to their surroundings. I am satisfied that at least some of us are consciously present, and know that those who are not, are still learning and participating here on at least some level of their psyche. At the "end" of the meeting someone falls. We seem to be in a conga line, dancing and having fun. [Does the line represent our going back to a linear-time based system?] Then it seems I am waking. As I look to my right, [I am sleeping on a couch] I see that the chair has different upholstery on it. Immediately I know that I am dreaming. At another time I "wake" to find yet a different upholstery on the chair, and again I know that I am dreaming. Once or twice I "awaken" to find no chair, and again I smile to myself, smug that I am catching myself each time. Once I "wake" up and everything looks as it should. But I bounce up off the couch and pick a book off of the bookshelf and try to read and reread a sentence. I'm thrilled and a bit surprised to find it distorting, again indicating that I am still dreaming. Once again, I "wake" and reach down to pick up a book in which to write out the dream. I don't have my dream journal handy, so I will write on the back empty pages of a SCI-FI novel I'm reading. I slide a bit back on the couch, getting more comfortable. I know it's still a dream, as I have a pencil by the book now, not a pen as I have in "real" life. Except for the pencil, the room looks exactly as it does in "waking life." I am enjoying this. It is like playing a game! Next time I wake for real, pick up the pen and scribble out the dream in the back of the novel. [Could the many false awakenings be symbolic of many probable realities - almost identical to this reality, but with differences?] Robert: What advice would you give to new or aspiring lucid dreamers? Lucy: Never give up! Always honour your dreams - lucid or otherwise - and never compare them to someone else's, or rate them as "poor" or "not good enough." You are unique and no one can have the dreams that you do - it's impossible. Some dreams might seem boring, or uneventful, but always remember that with each experience of lucidity you are expanding your conscious awareness and are growing with each new dream. As for just getting lucid, don't try too hard. I found that when I put too much pressure on myself I had the reverse effect and no lucidity would develop. Gentle, but firm suggestions to myself that I would be lucid in my dream, repeated throughout the day (plus some reality checking) and just before sleeping seemed to work the best for me. Find or develop whatever technique feels the most comfortable for you and go for it! Robert: What plans do you have for the LDE? Lucy: I have no specific plans at the moment, and am certainly open to suggestions. But in general, I'd like to see LDE grow and flourish and reach out to more lucid dreamers. It was my early contact with lucid dreamers and then with LDE, (when LDE founder, Ruth Sacksteder was publishing it) that greatly influenced and shaped my lucid dreaming experiences and ambitions. I learned so much from others and am very grateful to them all. I'm still learning from the readers of LDE. Lucid dreamers never cease to amaze me with their creativity and unique perspectives. I hope that LDE will continue to be a source of information, guidance, and entertainment for fellow dream explorers, and a friendly forum where dreams and opinions can be shared openly. ******* Lucy Gillis grew up in Nova Scotia beside an ocean-fed lake in which she spent many summers frolicking, floating, and daydreaming. She has a Bachelors degree in astrophysics and worked for several years in the physics laboratories in an agricultural college. She currently works as an analyst for a scientific research company in British Columbia. When not at work, Lucy can be found in pubs with her local lucid dream group (that's where the best meetings are held!) or seated behind a very rich designer dessert at Death By Chocolate, hoping that, if she's dreaming, she won't wake until every last crumb is eaten! (If you would like to be interviewed or would like to submit an interview, contact Robert at dreambob@aol.com) ******** The Lucid Dream Exchange is a quarterly newsletter featuring lucid dreams and lucid dream related articles, poetry, and book reviews. To subscribe to The Lucid Dream Exchange send a blank email to: TheLucidDreamExchange-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or join through the Yahoo Groups website at http://www.groups.yahoo.com/ The LDE can be found under Sciences>Social Sciences>Psychology>Sleep and Dreams. o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o The World Dreams Peace Bridge As a Long-Term Journaling Project By Jean Campbell o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o When the first plane struck the World Trade Centers on September 11, 2001, I was at my computer. "Turn on the television," came the post from a friend. "A plane has just hit the World Trade Centers." From my vantage point in front of the television I, like millions of other Americans, watched in horror as yet a second plane flew into the landmark buildings. Those of you familiar with my work on dreams know that, for the past twenty-five years or so, I have studied the so-called "paranormal" realms of consciousness. My first thought on seeing the second plane hit was, "This is changing the course of history." My second thought was, "Oh lordy, there are going to be a lot of precognitive dreams reported." Back to the computer I went, broadcasting a message to the ASD Online Bulletin Board, which I moderate, and to other online dream groups, that people were welcome to share their dreams and thoughts about the disaster on the Bulletin Board. True to my prediction, the first dreams of the hundreds of 9/11 dreams to appear online were the precognitions. So many dreams, in fact, that I could begin to detect a pattern. A lot of these dreamers were totally new to the world of dream sharing, and some of them were scared out of their wits not by the possibility of further terrorism, but by the implications of the dreams they had dreamed. After a few busy days of reassuring dreamers and helping them to join online forums such as the ASD psidreaming group, I wrote an article, "Dealing With Precognitive Dreamer Guilt," (available online at http:dreamtalk/hypermart.net/campbelldreamer_guilt.htm ) which I asked Richard Wilkerson to publish in Electric Dreams [2001, 8(10)] In it, I talked about my own 9/11 precognitive dream, a snippet around 5:30 a.m., in which I stood in the control tower of an airport, watching as an air traffic controller dealt with what was obviously an emergency. The question with my dream, as with any precognitive dream, was what to do about it. Obviously I had not averted disaster, nor probably could I have averted disaster if I'd tried. So why did I have the dream? I tend to believe that *all* dreams lucid dreams, shared dreams, precognitive or telepathic dreams have meaning for the dreamer. In this case, there I was, standing in the control tower, but only watching as others dealt with the emergency. Why? In early October, ASD member Victoria Quinton from Australia posted to the Dreamchatters online group, a dream she'd had of seeing a single, lighted candle. My response was a childhood memory of watching Bishop Fulton J. Sheen stride onto the black and white television screen, while offstage a chorus sang the theme song of the Christophers, "If everyone lit just one little candle, what a bright world this would be." Following the initial outpouring of precognitive dreams after 9/11, I could sense the growing frustration of the dream community. We might be able to dream in advance of an event, but what could we possibly do to avert disaster? That was when the World Dreams Peace Bridge came to my mind. There are many dream workers who believe that we not only perceive but *create* the world through our dreams. What if dreamers were to become proactive rather than reactive? To take "control", as my dream said? To light a candle against the darkness? In October I sent out around one hundred e-mail messages to dreamers, many of them ASD members but also to family members, friends, and others, asking if they would like to participate in an experiment to see if we could dream up some world peace. Because at the time I was deep into work on the ASD's Online Guide to International Dream Work, I was blessed with the friendship of many of ASD's international membership. The response to the idea of forming a World Dreams Peace bridge was immediate and overwhelmingly positive. Several people said they didn't have time for an online forum, but wanted to be kept informed of other projects. At the same time, the response from those who wanted to become part a forum to discuss peace dreaming grew steadily, until it leveled out at around forty dreamers from all over the world: Australia, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden, Mexico, Japan, India, China, Greece, Korea, and of course the United States. Right from the beginning, this was an active group, generating well over 1,000 e-mails per month, delving quickly and deeply into feelings and dreams. It did not take me long to realize that we had created something unique to dreaming: an online, interactive, long-term group dream journal, focused toward a particular subject, peace, but spreading ripples into all other areas of dreaming. Not unexpectedly, some of the members of the fledgling group had dreams about the formation of a World Dreams Peace Bridge. "When I mused on your invitation," Jody wrote on October 21st, "I had a dream surprise, surprise. Here it is." I am talking with some people, dark haired beautiful women, I think. They ask me to commit to the task of growing, harvesting and preserving a set of heirloom seeds. I hesitate, thinking of the task and that I may not be so successful with seeds as with plants. Big responsibility these rare seeds, and I'm not completely confident of my skill to do this. Also, that it will require a long-time commitment and patience. But in fact I do accept the commitment, and receive a small, brown envelope with seeds in it. On the package, it says: GOLDEN ERA. The name of the seeds! But I immediately realize what I have been given and what my task is: I have been given the seed forms, the "memes" or images of a "Golden Era," the golden or high time of culture, and it is my job to perpetuate these seeds, these memes or life forms. By accepting the package, I accept the commitment. "Here is a brief dream which I had the night after the September 11 attacks," Sandy wrote: A closeup on the face of Beau Bridges. He looks directly at me (directly into the camera, if this were a movie) and I know there is something really important happening. He does something with his hands. It's out of frame, and so I can't tell what it is and then he raises his hand up, and he has opened a lipstick tube. Once again, he looks directly at me, and then deftly applies the lipstick. He smiles and I know this is really important. "Here is what I make of it," she said. 'Beautiful Bridges' (instead of burning bridges, which is how I was feeling after the devastation). Here is a really strong man. A man who can take charge. He has power, but he needs something else. When he applies the lipstick, I think of it as a metaphor for feminizing his power, and I reckon that this is exactly what we need in these times." Not only was the idea that we could build a beautiful dream bridge impacting the dreaming minds of the people I actually, verbally contacted, but it seemed as if it was impacting others as well. One morning, as I was taking my usual walk in the park near my home, I encountered a couple I often saw there. Moving quickly toward me, the woman, Isobel (who is at best a casual acquaintance) said, "I dreamed about you last night." By this time they were standing in front of me, the embarrassed husband ready to run if necessary. "I don't know if you believe in dreams," she said. I encouraged her to tell me the dream. What she said was that my entire house and yard were being remodeled and renovated. "And you know that ditch by your house?" she said, referring to an old rail road right of way. "That was all landscaped too, with a bridge and these beautiful gardens. "I probably dreamed for you because I couldn't dream for myself," she said as they began to walk away. "Well, next time I'll dream for *you*," I replied. Turning to face me, walking away backward, Isobel smiled. "But I don't want no house and garden," she said. "You can send me on a world tour. I want to go on a world tour singing!" Of course, the World Dreams Peace Bridge was a place to talk about post- 9/11 nightmares. After posting a dream, one New York City resident said, "These dreams are nightmarish when I awaken, but then I look forward to working through them. I know that this is the way my brain is processing all of this . I am grateful for the opportunity to share with you all." In early November, Jeremy wrote from Korea: "Just now, I lay down to nap and dreamed I was awake in my study, and suddenly white dust, like thick snow, started falling from the ceiling. I got up and went to the living room and saw it floating down there too. I alerted my wife, who was already aware of it, and she said we should get some masks. Our child was in the house too, and suddenly I filled with fear. End of Dream. "Obviously this was about Anthrax," he went on. "Death could come so suddenly and soon. All the peace in my heart, that I've been carrying several days now, was swept away by the catastrophe." Members of the online group struggled with the idea of what it might mean to dream the world into peace. There were some people who declined to join the group, because they saw dreaming for peace as an imposition on others. "I would no more want to focus on creating peace than I would on creating war," one woman said. "Who am I to decide what other people need?" I was glad when the members of the World Dreams peace bridge, at Rita's suggestion, adopted the words from the song, "Let there be Peace on Earth, and let it begin with me," as their informal theme song. George put it most succinctly when he wrote: "I have known that piece for years and have heard it in church. I used to think of it as meaning peace has to begin with my being peaceful with others and working to make peace in the world. Now I see it as even more relevant to our purposes than that. "Through dreaming, we work through our own opposites or conflicts. We may speak of this as working toward an integration of consciousness with the unconscious, or working for peace within ourselves. These are the opposites which, when resolved, create a harmony that is seen in mandala dreams. When we resolve conflicts within ourselves through our dreaming, we are more psychologically ready to resolve old conflicts of ours with those around us in waking life. And so we work from our inner harmonizing to our outer harmonizing to, we hope, being able to contribute to peace and justice and harmony in other parts of the world." This having been said, members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge set about deepening their understanding of themselves and each other, even resolving conflicts, when they came up in the group, in the spirit of a deeper opening to the meaning of the dream. Not that this was easy: "I tell you," one member wrote. "If my personality had known what I was signing up to with your Peace bridge, she probably would have taken a vacation instead.:)" When I invited people to "experiment" with dreaming the world toward peace, I meant just that. I had no idea what might happen in this group, nor did I want us to go into it with preconceived notions. I must admit though that I had some clues. Years ago, when I directed Poseidia Institute, a consciousness research organization, we devised a series of dream experiments called "Dreams to the Tenth Power." Over a period of years, we asked several groups of people, ten in each group, to dream together. We would give them specific goals like, "Meet at a restaurant," and see who dreamed together. Sometimes the results were astounding. From the reports of participants, it was obvious that people who had never met in waking life could accurately dream one another's waking physical appearance and share many other elements of the dream. Therefore, I was not too surprised when the synchronicities began to show up unmistakably on the World Dreams Peace Bridge. One of the earliest came when Jeremy, in Korea, wrote to a new member from India, asking her if she happened to know a woman he'd met in India earlier, someone he'd not heard from in a while. Not only did the two women know one another; they were also friends and neighbors. These were the delights of the sharing, while at the same time, this same woman, Radhika, wrote from her home in India, near the border with Pakistan: "Today, and this has been building, I am tired of this war. The Taliban says that Osama is no longer their guest. Bush's picture is in our papers every day looking really important. Apparently the same terrible lords that had Afghanistan under their control before the Taliban took over are back in. These men had long tyrannized and destroyed Afghanistan for their power. So what if there is music in the streets for a while? What really is the fate of Afghanistan? "Remembering Rita's outsider dream and feeling outside. Hmmm." Beyond the synchronicities it manifested, this group began to dream together. Symbols were tossed back and forth from one person's dream to another and, occasionally, people shared the same dream. "What I realize I am doing in this group is staying fully in the flow with my authentic self," one person wrote. " I am not censoring what my heart chooses to discuss and say. I am staying open and present to the energy of each person, and the group energy. I have not done this ever before in my life in an ongoing group setting." "I continue to be amazed by the richness of the threads in our tapestry," wrote another. The sense of purpose among group members continued to grow, both in the dream state and in waking. In early December Sue wrote: "I don't really understand why the white buffalo are showing up in my dreamtime, but last night I had another dream." I had been walking through a museum of sorts, looking at all the exhibits of animals and I remember a kite exhibit. We went outside to another area that was kind of like a county fair. All of a sudden, I see this huge, beautiful white buffalo standing there, just waiting to be touched! I was so excited I said to my husband, "Look, it's a buffalo exhibit." And then as we got closer I could see all sizes of white buffalo. Many were babies . Though Sue, at the time of her dream, was not aware of the Native American legend of the white buffalo, many others in the group were. After recounting a vision from earlier in her life, Valley said, "I have always felt that the return of the spirit of the buffalo meant the return of the People. The return of the old ways that have been gone for much too long." Many experiences like this continued to happen in the group, but the most amusing to me was when the group energy seemed to spill out into the ASD Bulletin Board. All of a sudden, in January, visitors to the Bulletin Board began to post bridge dreams, dreams that had many parallels to the dreams I was seeing posted to the World Dreams Peace Bridge. Some of the Bridge group members then jumped into the discussion on the Bulletin Board. "My feeling when I read about these bridge dreams," wrote Birdy, "is that they were connected to the Internet, because a while back I had a teaching dream that told me the Internet was a bridge." She went on to say, "I found this list (the World Dreams Peace Bridge) through my interest in dreams (but) . It was when I read Jean's purpose for the list that I became excited. It was not the word 'peace' that drew me, as much as it was the word 'bridge' and the realization that this was a place I could go where others believed in their abilities to dream a bridge to their world." The apparent impact of the World Dreams Peace Bridge on the online Bulletin Board was not the only "paranormal" result of participation in the online group, however. Shortly after joining the online conversation, Pam wrote: "Also, I wonder if anyone has noticed an increase in what I can only call psychic activity since being on the Bridge?" She told about a friend who had incubated a dream. Without knowing that the incubation was taking place, Pam said, "I had a dream which referred specifically to the question which I didn't know she was asking. My dream even included the first name and the last initial of the person she was asking the question about." In January, Bob wrote that he and his wife, Rita, both members of the Bridge community, had shared a dream, "But this is the first time we have ever dreamt directly related dreams at the same time," he said. "So, Jean, is that an oddity or what?" Or what, I had to reply, since I have seen this sort of mutual dreaming grow in any dream sharing group with which I've been involved. After a particularly amusing interchange in which Juhani telepathically picked up that the dog represented in one of Jody's dreams was the famous Belgian cartoon character Tintin, to which Jody replied that she was not only a Tintin lover, but was actually of Belgian descent, Juhani wrote. "Wow, what a surprise. Creepy. Tintin is kind of a Global Action Peace Maker. If we ever get trouble on the Bridge then comes his dog and saves us." It was Juhani who suggested I might change my name from Campbell to Dream-bell because, "You really gong-gong shake up people . :)" After a discussion in the group about dreams of Monarch butterflies, Yvonne eloquently summarized what seemed to be developing as the group's philosophy in a post from Mexico: "We, as collective souls, travel and 'migrate' to each other's consciousness. Some faster or deeper, some slower or superficially . "Butterflies do that: start as simple 'worms,' but suffer a metamorphosis until they are ready to share their beauty, touching each other's souls." "Oh, golly," Donna wrote one day in April, this world is so much stranger than I knew." And a day later, "Sometimes I think I could just live here on the Bridge and ponder everyone's dreams and all our synchronicities. But that doesn't do too much for my children." It might have occurred to me, when I was first creating the Bridge, that it would have a particular appeal to artists. People who regularly create new universes of meaning with words or paint or cameras might not see an insurmountable barrier in the notion of dreaming ourselves toward peace. Still, I was surprised to discover the artists who joined the group: several published authors, one of them winner of the coveted PEN New England award for fiction; poets; quilt makers; photographers. The World Dreams home page at Yahoogroups.com soon filled with art of all kinds which inspired further dreams and more art. Art like these wonderful tee shirts some members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge are wearing tonight, with a logo designed by Elizabeth Diaz. Profits from the sale of these shirts go, in part, to women in India and Afghanistan who are working to help their people. One of the most impressive artistic projects to grow out of the World Dreams Peace Bridge in the first year of its existence was a dance called "The Crow and the Phoenix," choreographed by Valley Reed and danced in April at the Cincinnati ASD Regional meeting. This event had an innocent beginning when Valley posted a dream to the World Dreams Peace Bridge group. She had spent the day making books with her six-year-old daughter, Valley said, and she thought we might enjoy the dream from which her book had been made. (It seems that Valley's daughter has an entire library of hand-crafted dream books.) The story Valley told was about a dream character, Annabella, whose best friend was her umbrella. Old Crow takes her to the underworld, where she almost forgets who she is until she is rescued by her umbrella and a friendly Phoenix, who helps her recover. It wasn't until one group member said this sounded like a dance that Jody mentioned she had already been in contact with members of the Cincinnati Ballet Company about the possibility of presenting a dream dance at the Regional. She wondered if they could use Valley's dream. No one in the group knew that Valley was herself a dancer who, at sixteen, had been tapped for the Dallas Ballet Company; or that the ensuing weeks, when Valley agreed to choreograph the dream and then dance the role of Annabella in Cincinnati, would be a transformative process which had several members of the Bridge group dancing in their dreams. The video tape of that dance is available for viewing here at the conference. I'd like to mention, as an aside, that the moderator of this panel, Cynnie Pearson, has called the activities of a group, in which images are passed between dreamers and between waking and dream life, arabesques. "The Crow and the Phoenix" was an arabesque with arabesques! Has the World Dreams Peace Bridge managed yet to bring peace to the world? Obviously not. Jeremy wrote late in April, "The dilemma that the conflicts in Palestine and India that you mention strike my soul as well against violence, and yet victim of it (The ways of violence on both side have begotten even greater amounts like two drunkards fighting in a ring, not even remembering who started it all, blaming the other entirely, one thousand percent!). At wit's end, I turn back to poetry." Nonetheless, the members of the Peace Bridge have attempted to attune themselves to peace. There has been an exchange of news and ideas from around the world. Sometimes I have heard breaking world news on the Bridge, given with a personal perspective, before hearing it from the media: the earthquake in Afghanistan and the recent assassination of Dutch political leader, Pim Fortuyn, for example. And the members of the World Dreams Peace Bridge have attempted to pay attention to their dreams as if their dreams were of some consequence in the world. In December, due to the possibly precognitive dream of one member of the Bridge, relating to terrorism, the World Dreams Peace Bridge held a week-long meditation specific to that event. One of the dilemmas of precognitive dreaming, as I have often pointed out, is that if it is possible to use dreams not only to see the future but to, apparently, *change* the future, then it is possible we may sometimes change a future without knowing it. We cannot really say that the terrorist act predicted by a powerful dreamer might *not* have taken place without the intervention of the Dream Bridge. We simply don't know. However, what members of the World Dreams group *have* done is to take seriously dreams which involve possible future violence, particularly if several people in the group seem to be having similar dreams. In the past few weeks, several dreams have been recorded on the Bridge, talking about possible terrorist attacks in the U.S. later in the summer. Rather than ignore these dreams, the members of the World Dreams Peace bridge have agreed to maintain a daily World Dreams Peace Vigil between the full moon of May and the full moon in June, a period which includes the Summer Solstice, traditionally a time of powerful energy. There is no particular form to this meditation, only that one concentrate on bringing peace into the world. We invite you to join us. And we invite you to join us online if you'd like. There are never too many people to dream of peace. Just send an e-mail to worlddreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Flying Through Science Fiction and Fantasy 2002 Linda Lane Magall¢n o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Crossing the skies of Earth, dipping into an off-planet atmospheres or piercing the reaches of outer space, humans streak and bob throughout the annals of fantasy and science fiction. These are the amazing imaginary voyages through the universe that we, the readers and viewers, enjoy, while sitting on the side lines of these vicarious thrills. But where can we experience first-hand the sensation of soaring and floating like Superman? Simple. We can go on journeys out of our bodies and into the depths of our dreams. I've always found it fascinating how good fantasy and sci-fi stories mimic the activities of the flying dreamer. Perhaps their authors were fantastic dreamers themselves? Certainly, stories and illustrations make great dream inducers. If you read and view with the intent to inspire flight, you may well discover yourself aloft as you dream. For this sort of incubation, please put aside your serious literature and bring out your summer reading material instead. Paperbacks, comic strips or even children's picture books can fuel your sleepy-time flights. Okay, so how do you start? Well, by flipping through a comic book, you might discover that Captain Marvel derives his ability to fly from a chant. When Julie Evans and Ed Kellogg told me they use chants in their lucid dreams, I decided to try one, too. Mine was much less complicated than their rhymes, though. I stole it from the old Superman TV series. The chant, "Up, up and away!" got me off the ground. Superman style, streaking though the sky in a horizontal position, is the most popular mode of travel for the flying dreamer. TV, movies, videos and DVDs often feature this type of flight. However, it can be quite intimidating for a newbie to go so fast and so high. Sometimes I'm asked, "Does levitation count as flying?" Sure, it does! Hey, even Superman hovers like a helicopter. So, if your first flight is but 1 inch off your own bed, congratulate yourself. And if you haven't tried that style, I recommend it. It's great practice in dream control. In Randall Garrett's *Too Many Magicians,* Master Sean explains that unlike a static spell, which imposes a condition, levitation is a kinetic or moving spell requiring concentration, power and precision. Sean says, "Levitation causes a tremendous psychic drain; the spell can only be held for a matter of minutes." This reminds me of trying to hold onto a lucid dream. Or a flight in a lucid dream. Dream flying may not be a physical effort. But it sure exercises the mind muscles. However, I'd like to dis-spell another myth. You don't have to be lucid to fly. Arthur Dent, of *Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy* fame, first discovers he can fly while he's visiting another planet. Non-lucid dreaming is truly another planet! In *Life, The Universe And Everything* Arthur happens to be racing from an exploding volcano. Dreamers often fly to escape. The fight-or- flight reaction to fear is one of the most common reasons for becoming airborne. Personally, I applaud my non-lucid dream psyche for having the good sense to get me out of the reach of trouble, as quickly as possible. Later, in *So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish,* Arthur flies with his friend Ms. Fenchurch. Unless you're a sociable dreamer, like I am, to dream of flying with another is more rare than flying alone. But it becomes more usual for dreamers who take the time and effort to work through their nightmares and anxiety dreams. When you're not so caught up in your own problems, you can pay attention to fellow flyers. Zenna Henderson's "Francher kid" is descended from The People, survivors of a spaceship from another planet which crashed on Earth. He can dance in the air and make music without instruments. Dita, a full Earthling, is developing the same sort of talent. Flying doesn't mean you will always do it with grace. But, with practice, it can shift from an escape route to an art form. In order to get airborne, fantasy fiction often uses magic in the form of devices. Sparthera, the thief, finds a levitation charm in "Talisman" by Larry Niven and Dian Girard. Mary Poppins floats into her story by using the wind and an umbrella. On TV, an amulet she found in Egypt on an archaeological expedition, and worn in a headband, gave Andrea Thomas the power of the goddess Isis. With it, she could summon the "zephyr winds" in order to fly. Comic Super Heroes like devices, too. Dr. Strange's Cloak of Levitation allows him to drift through the air. Green Lantern flies from a power ring. It must be recharged every 24 hours at his namesake, the green lantern, which was made from extraterrestrial metal. The Fantastic Four got their super powers when they mutated after being exposed to cosmic radiation in outer space. Two of the Four gained flying abilities: the Human Torch and the Invisible Girl. The Invisible Girl can levitate and render herself invisible by force of mind. The Human Torch can turn his body into a living flame. Without such imaginative inspiration, it might not occur to us that, in dreams, we *don't* have to fly in a body that looks like its physical counterpart. But even when our dream bodies are clones of our waking bodies, the conveyors of flight are many. Dreamers fly in open-air space ships, in cars, in beds, in chairs, in inner tubes and, yes, in costume. Many flying comic heroes have appeared on television in cartoon form, which permits those unique types of flight not possible in waking life. Computer magic is swiftly catching up. But if drawings and virtual renderings are not to your taste, there are literal examples available. The techniques perfected on the physical stage (notably in the theater production of "Peter Pan") and on the silver screen (using a moving backdrop) allow you to empathize with live human beings. Such a TV series was the *Greatest American Hero,* which ran from 1981-83. Aliens in a UFO gave Ralph Hinkley a super suit to do the job. Unfortunately, he kept losing the instruction booklet for the suit and could never quite attain aerodynamic stability. Likewise, flying in dreams is not always an easy task. And just because you desire to have a flying dream doesn't mean you always can. In Ray Bradbury's *Dark Carnival,* Uncle Einar is a member of a family with psychic powers. When he flies into a high tension wire, Uncle Einar loses his ability to fly by night. It's not unusual for a flyer to encounter wires, cords, poles and other lines in the dream world and, yes, they can hinder flight. Like the knee-jerk reaction to fear, the perennial potential to fall and the difficulties in maneuvering aloft, obstructions along your flight path are Kryptonite Factors of dreamland. Experienced pilots know that obstacles and stormy weather can ground you. Temporarily. There's always time to try again tomorrow night. Fantasy uses magical means for flight or floats the fancy of emerging human psychic powers. On the other hand, science fiction tries to provide a grounded explanation of flight based on the known laws of the physical universe. Some sci-fi authors speculate that very light humanoids with enormous wings would be able to fly on a planet with high air pressure and low gravity. Writer Poul Anderson has carefully calculated the planetary specifics and anatomical details of such beings in his novels, *War Of The Wing-Men* and *The People of the Wind.* "Wings" by Vonda N. Mcintyre features compassionate flying men. An all-female race of sensual space-faring winged humanoids are found in Sandi Hall's *Wingwomen of Hera.* You may recall Flash Gordon's birdmen from movies or TV. Science fiction also hypothesizes that Terran humans might fly on such a planet, using metal wings. That's the premise of George R. R. Martin and Lisa Tuttle's *Windhaven.* With one-sixth Earth's gravity, wings could also be used on the Moon. In "The Menace From Earth" fifteen year-old Holly Jones flies in a volcanic bubble, two miles in diameter, that serves as the air storage tank for Luna City. Her wings are very similar to that of a metal bird and her process of flight, very much like that of a hang-glider ride. Hang-gliders and airplane pilots often report flying dreams, although, in the dream state, they tend to fly without any vehicle, like Supergirl. Or the improved version of Wonder Woman. Beyond planetary pull, gravity is nonexistent and no wings are necessary. In Spider and Jeanne Robinson's *Stardance,* Shara dances to music in the zero-gee environment of a space station as a camera catches her performance. Later Shara and her fellow stardancers don space suits so they can use the expressive aspects of dance to communicate with aliens. Finally, they are transferred into creatures who are able to dance in the infinity of outer space. Images of free-fall of outer space may lure us into the future, but there are quite practical reasons to fly, right now, here on Earth. In Robert Sheckley's "Carrier" a crippled newspaper boy has the ability to fly. Bed-ridden and handicapped folks have testified that flying helps compensate for their immobility. *The Boy Who Could Fly* is a movie that features an autistic mute. I know several people with mental problems who, nonetheless, can fly in their dreams. For everyone, dream flying can be a healthy vacation from the traumas and blahs of mundane life. So, why not take a vacation trip in your dreams? In "Mana From Heaven" by Roger Zelazny, Phoenix, the sorcerer, draws his powers to fly from a kind of cosmic dust brought to Earth by meteorites. Fairy dust from Never Land helps Wendy, John and Michael Darling to fly in the tale of *Peter Pan.* But you can do Peter one better. Put aside your dusty daily concerns. "Wonderful thoughts" are all that's needed to induce a flying dream before you go to sleep. Bibliography Adams, D. Life, The Universe And Everything. (New York: Simon & Schuster, Inc., 1982). Adams, D. So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish. (New York: Simon & Schuster, Inc., 1984). Barrie, J.M. Peter Pan. (New York: Charles Scribners Sons, 1911). Everett, F. (Ed.) Guide To Supernatural Fiction. (Kent, NY: Kent State University Press, 1983). Garrett, R. Too Many Magicians. (Garden City, NY: Doubleday and Co, 1967). Hall, S. Wingwomen of Hera. (San Francisco, CA: Spinster/Aunt Lute Book Co., 1987). Heinlein, R. "The Menace From Earth" in Asimov, I., Ed., Tomorrow's Children. (Garden City, NY: Doubleday and Co., 1966). Henderson, Z. Pilgrimage. (New York: Doubleday & Co., 1961). Holdstock, R. (Ed.). Encyclopedia of Science Fiction. (London: Octopus Books, Ltd., 1978). Martin, G.R.R. & Tuttle, L. Windhaven. (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1981). Mcintyre, V. N. "Wings" in Goldin, S., Ed. The Alien Condition. Niven, L. & Girard, D. "Talisman" in Niven, L., Ed., More Magic (New York: Berkley Books, 1984). Robinson, S. & Robinson, J. Stardance. (New York: The Dial Press, 1977). Rovin, J. The Encyclopedia of Superheroes. (New York: Facts on File Publications, 1985). Rovin, J. The Illustrated Book of Science Fiction and Dreams. (London: Hamlyn, 1977). Travers, M. L. Mary Poppins. Zelazny, R. "Mana From Heaven" in Niven, L., Ed., More Magic (New York: Berkley Books, 1984). =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Digital Dreaming Series: Article & Research Data: Computer Dreams Digital Dreaming Series #9a: DATA : Selected Dream entries from July 2001 to September 11, 2001 and #9b The Digital Archetype: Discussions from the C.G. Jung Bulletin Board. By Richard Catlett Wilkerson o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o ========================================================== 9a The Data and Research The Computer Dream Survey http://www.dreamgate.com/computers was started in 1999 and we have been collecting dreams about computers, the Internet and digital objects ever since. Generally the posts requesting dreams are pretty simple. Here is a sample: "Are you having dreams about robots, cyborgs, androids, Borgs, robots or animated machines? Are you having dreams of computers, programs that take on a life of their own, dream experiences with keyboards and monitors, printers or wires? How about dreams of the Internet, surfing, chatting, interacting with others or online bots? If so, we would like to have your digital dreams for our research project examining the shift in culture from man to machine, organic human to augmented humanoid, analog thinking to digitally mediated virtual reality." However, some requests have been worked in with more speculative and analytic papers, which are listed at the end of this article, and all are available online at the survey site. Listed below are the collections from July of 2001 through September 11, 2001. The 9-11 is such a strong psychological cleft in the collective consciousness, I thought this date would be an appropriate cut-off, through post 9-11 dreams are also going to be significant and I will publish those in a later article. Note that I am just listing the dreams here, without the extra survey information. The raw data is available upon request, and includes information such as age, sex, political beliefs, how participants spend time off and on the computer and other information, which you can get from looking at the survey. ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamt I was chatting in the chatroom I usually visit with the boy I usually meet there when I was suddenly with him in our own p2p world like a grassy plain nestled near a dark forest. I dream like I'm watching tv. I see myself disconnected and I was on the computer screen with him. It was so cool and I wasn't shocked in the least...what does this mean? ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = chat ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = resently, a few nights ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = dreams about computers, explaining programs and finding tasks difficult. The dreams are frustrating and I wake up feeling frustrated and upset. The characters in my dreams that I am explaining computers to, and who I am unable to explain them to, are the people I work with. Everything is in colour, but the atmosphere is sticky. The computers are old CTXs and slow. I am in the computer room I work in and I never see anybody I socialise with in these dreams, just my colleagues. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Frustrating Computer Dreams ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = For three weeks, practically every night ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = Talking to aman with my brother present about which ISP he should use, me being more in tune with the internet that my older brother. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Internet Dream ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = A few days ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I remember sitting at my computer, it seemed all very normal. For some reason my screensaver came on, even though I was surfing a Dave Matthews Band site. The screensaver was the blackhole one on the 60s theme of Win98. At first it was weird, the screen kept falling into the hole the screensaver made. Everything was pulled into a certain point that moved all around the screen. I felt my conscience get sucked into the blackhole and I remember reorienting myself onstage at a Dave Matthews concert. All fear aside I took up a guitar onstage. I remember pure satisfaction and joy when I started to play and get cheers from the crowd. Those feeliings multiplied a 100 times over when the whole band came out and we had one huge jam session. The dream ended as the jam ended. I woke up wide awake and still felt the satisfaction and joy. I've never had a dream so complete and vivid. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Dream Jam ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = in April 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Rusty ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream that I was already sleeping. I woke up and quickly jumped out of bed. I hurried to my computer, which I always leave on, and checked my email. I got a letter from someone special and was extremely happy. It's happened twice and the emails were from different people in each dream. It's weird but it's really the only computer dream I've ever had. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = e-mail dreams ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = about a month ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = When i had this dream I was awake , it was like "the Matrix" last scene the green numbers and black background was all around me ...it seemed like a drem because was too real to be true my roommate had the same visions ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = The Matrix ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 02/20001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I am a lucid dreamer, and have had many dreams that I'm in a video game. I consider this like a computer dream because for all I know I could have been on CD rom in the game. Usually it's just like a normal life situation with real people and settings, but my goals are to avoid people chasing me, getting attacked by large bugs, or just to survive. One example would be when I drempt I was in this lady's house. It was a two story home and I was in the bedroom at the time. It was sort of old fashioned with pale pink coloring. I was trying to hide from the members of the house, particularly the mom and trying to get out. I was afraid of being caught, not necessarily of being there but because large wasps (bigger than my head buzzing outside the window) and scary plants (which were leafy, but the leaves were as rigid and sharp as razors) were outside. I escaped through a window on the second floor to join 3 other players. We had to avoid being stung, carnivorous plants and things. Our goal was to reach either the river to take us to freedom and the next level or to reach the safety of this large rock shrine surrounded by large stone tiling in a big circle and around that about a 3 foot stone wall. It was all light brown stone with deep carvings of things. This was like the escape, if we reached it, it would end the game. We all reached the river, but they were swept off struggling in the tides and I got scared and climbed to shore. More people after me still, the daughters of the house found me (the one had dark brown hair and in a white flowing night gown and younger than myself), so I started running to the stone monument. The hard part was that it turned into a giant sort of maze, not big around me, but I had to run along a certain path in order to get it to work and it kept turning and spinning on me. I was watching myself and her in a third person view at this time. The girl was as confused as I was and she was very upset with my progress of course. I finally reached the center and woke up. I think a lot of these types had to do with playing Maniac Mansion on Nintendo. The game was fun and challenging but it was scary at the time too. But now I equated my life with how I felt playing that game. Sometimes I dream I'm in my own house and I have to avoid obstacles for points, or obviously, if I get killed I only have so many lives, but my goal is to live and get the heck OUT of the game. So usually I have to run down the street to a certain point, but it's dificult to get there. I have a lot of dreams that I'm in a war too, and I have to survive and get rid of the enemy, but it seems to go in stages, one I was in a trench and the next I had to clear a train of enemies so I could ride to another area and that's pretty scary. That's usually only after I play Delta Force Land Warrior too many times. I hate these dreams though, I wake up and they seem so pointless, like I feel very unocomplished and wish I had a deeper more meaningful dream. Since the time of these dreams I have been on my own and going to College for Massage Therapy and so I must have overcome some of those obstacles my dream suggested. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = My Life Is A Game ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = I'd say it's been about a year since the last one ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = A dream about computers? Or how about a dream of future films. Our movies today, how dramatic. Tomorrow our movies what will they be displaying then? The screen locks the mind, the thoughts. Technology advancements will show concentration, complete. A movie is a real dream. Its when you want to know how its all going to turn out. A movie displays yourself, all movies display what we want, what we are thinking. How about a movie from all of us, a pure movie of the mind, knowledge of One. What is this knowledge, it is always this anwser. You want to see a movie where everything is true to the exact point to where we are today, you will see this movie, after death. After complete where-abouts of yourself. Where are you? Its in the movie. Who is this 'love'? Its in the movie. Only watch the movie. The dream was one only in the future. It was a high tec, HIGH CONCENTRATED film. Nothing else existed but the truth of our movie. Our movie was of today, of our complete reality, our complete love. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = This Was My Dream ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 7-30-01 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = i dreamt somebody was emailing very gross and discusting emails over the internet!! i couldn't stop them... one day they found out where i lived and murdered me ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = scary dream ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = last night ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = In my dreams, everything is in HTML code, there are no images except of this code, and there is no screen, it seems to be floating around me (in this case, "me" is just my consciousness, I dont actually see myself), on a white surface like there is nothing else behind it, the code comes in different colours: blue, light blue, yellow, pink, red, green, but most of it is dark blue. in my dream I seem to know that what Im seeing is the design of the page I ve been working on, and Im also making the code somehow... ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = suenhodeagua ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = all july 2001, alsmot daily ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = angelica ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = i was surfing the net and then everything become orange (color) then a flower bloomed from the monitor... and then it wrote u are hacked... hahaha.. ( laughing) this was really a dream.. but sometimes i really do not understand that it was really happenning or not!! for example while chatting, sometimes i read something and continue on that issue but the day after when i look at the history part there is nothing about that issue!!! i really do not understand.. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = orange hack ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 5 months ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = E.angel ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = once i was dreaming that i talk on ICQ with a friend of mine. i definitely remember some of the phrases which are of no significance, though. just a small talk. this and that. been there done that. but then suddenly i sat in my bed, fully awake, and stared into the black monitor of my computer and thought "how the HELL can i chat on ICQ when my comp is switched off?" and it happened three or for times in one night. i realized i dreamed the whole thing about ICQ but hell it was so GODDANM real! ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = talk on ICQ ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = several times ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = NIque ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamed I was sitting at my computer and flashes of light like a ligtening bolt went across the screen. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Lightening ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = month ago Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:07:39 -0400 (EDT) ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = A while ago when I used to play counterstrike alot and then go to bed. I had a dream about playing the computer game. I thought that was pretty funny... At least it wasnt as if i was in the game and it wasnt scary... Um.. dont remember any details really... ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Counterstrike ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = A while ago.... ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = BenJamer ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = The dream started out and I was at my old house, and my mom was like "Hank is missing" (hank is my brother). And she pointed to like, the backyard and it was like that's where he had been taken or something. So then all of a sudden he was back home and we were in our house that we live in now, but he wouldn't tell us where he had been. Then, I saw the place that Hank and a lot of other kids got taken to. It was very bright. (i didn't actually GO to the place, i just saw it in my mind in the dream or something) So then, Hank is missing again and I somehow knew of this message board where these people hung out and they were the people who knew about the place where the kids went. So i logged onto the message board and I started reading some of the messages to try to find out what was going on and then I got booted off the message board (haha). So then I was looking around my desk and i saw light blue floppy disks that had the label in the bottom ! right hand corner. Everything in my room was normal except for the floppies and well, getting booted from the message board was kind of odd, too. Then, after going to the bathroom to pee and drink some water (in my dream), I woke up. I was very very very scared when I woke up and I was worried someone was in my room and going to kill me. :\ ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = my brother is missing ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = a couple of days ago Thu, 9 Aug 2001 21 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = my dream was with an older computer. i had flimed the switch on the moniter and an image of Jesus appeard to me. it seems as if he tried to converse with me. he tried to connect me with a dead loved one i belive. any idea what this means? -freaked out ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = the man upstairs ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = two nights ago - Fri, 10 Aug 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream about the future of mankind. It was very interesting. The dream showed that computers would completely replace us someday. We would become obsolete. The computers could do everything we do, even reproduce. The dream was not disturbing, but it made sense in a weird way. I woke up wondering if the world would be more peaceful.Nation ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Nation of Machinnes ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = about a year ago -2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = nonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamed I was using a computer to change the DNA inside an embryo. I felt very powerful because I knew how to make the embryo code for a mermaid. In the dream, my fiance was begging me not to do it. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Genetic manipulation: mermaid ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = January 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dream about the type of chat I do: graphical program called palace. In my real 'online' avatar collection, I use mermaids. In my dreams, I'm really in this universe as a mermaid. I change colors and shapes but I always have a tail. In the dreams, I don't know the ppl I chat with, and don't recall too clearly what we talk about. I'm usually just admiring my own form so much that I don't notice the other "avatars" or people. Everything else seems "normal" except that I know I am not really a mermaid. In the real chat program, everything is in 2-D, flat. In the dream, everything is 100% real, most of all, my actual mermaid body. I swim around in a swirl of shapes and colors, and am just plain fascinated with the way I can move. I've been chatting in palace as a mermaid now for years, and dreaming that it's real seems required. heheheh ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Digital mermaid ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = recurring, mostly when I can't really chat. ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream about just waking up in the middle of the night in my bed, and their right in my face was a monitor screen with a blue border just hovering just above my waist. On the screen was white words and symbols that were shooting down the screen like in the matrix but for some strange reason I my mind felt as though it knew what it was displaying and the information was directed right to me. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Hovering Screen ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 9 months ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Poysen ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = it was a dream whioch contained a various amount of boys which i hav fancied in the past along wiv the guy i'm currently besotted wiv. the guy i currently fancy i met on a school residential bout a month ago we did kiss and share beds and i miss him and hav bin thinking about him sinsce the residential.i havn't been intouch with this guy because he lives in america and i live in,london. however he was in my dream last night and he was in bed with me and the other guys that i had previously fancied were sitting in the same hotel room where me and i guy i currently like were in bed together and they weren't saying or doing anything just sitting there surrounding me and the guy i was in bed with whilst we were kissing passionatelt ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = romance being watched over ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = yesterday 16/08/01 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = suki ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = Someday I dream about I was in future 25 years ahead in a school. I was pushed to that time or was beeing sleeping till there. Simple building, all natural, with wooden chair and desks, but we used watches with microprocessor and a polymer pad that simulates a desktop and monitor. It rolls in watch as a button when we close it. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = 25 years in future with a watch computer ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = in beginning of this year maybe february ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Ayorius ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I once dreamed I was in a game of StarCraft. I still controlled the game but as a general would his troops, issuing orders to individuals. We were Protoss, or at least they were. I'm not certain what I was to them, an entity to be obeyed unquestionably. We won the battle against the Zerg. Recalling the scenario, they had the high ground, an excellent tachtical advantage. They also outnumbered us, three broods to my one army. Perhaps it's because my almost omnipotent role, being able to look at the battle from a far and zoom in on individual troops, that won us the battle. I don't recall 'feeling' anything. Just a sence that I must win and loose as little as possible. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = StarCraft ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Midday, a years ago. ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = As a fragment of a larger dream, I picked up a TV remote control. I noticed a small video screen at the top, like a calculator. I pushed one of the buttons and the remote unfolded into a small computer, with arms and sections of keyboard and screen sliding out from the back. I realized that some unidentified secret admirer (sort of a stalker, but not really scary) had come into my apartment and modified the remote into a computer. I was annoyed that my space had been invaded, yet excited about the remote/computer, because it was really a nifty little gadget. Japanese anime-porn began scrolling across the screen, which I found a little distasteful, since my stalker had put it there, yet it was titillating, too. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Remote Control/Computer ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = about 4 months ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Noel ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = Am dreaming that I am trying to go to sleep but can't until I shut down the computer. It keeps telling me that the system is busy and can't end task/shut down. I "push any key" to return and am very very tired and want to go to sleep....but it never will let me shut it down. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = can't log off ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = month or so ago... ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = kim ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = The dream consisted of me attempting to program a glass of milk in a reality form. My methods of doing this were not clear. All I remember pondering about the program was would the milk return a value or be a void() function. I woke up screaming and in tears and sweat. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = void or return ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = around 3 years ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = dear sir i have a big dream to learn c as a language i don't know any programing language i would like to learn the c language i tried to learn it i bought the visual c++ i find explain the language in english a little hard for me but i tried but i failed can u help me i need need need very much to learn this programing language help me please ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = c/c++ visual c++ ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = a long time ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = hassan ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sucked inside the monitor.I went into the molecular level and traveled out into space,among the stars.i couldnt find my star again. I was lost in space,drifting. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = the computer sucks ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = after eating a peyote button last night ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamt that I was talking to "my grandfather" on tha computer. And he spoke in native american language, he spoke in oglala lakota. Which is not the tribe that we are from, and I dont speak it, but I understood what he was saying to me though. He told me in lakota to beware of certain white people. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = lakota ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = about a month ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I recently dreamt that I was swiming underwater in a very dark,remote lake.I was swiming alone in the very early hours of the A.M. I kept seeming to notice some sort of illumination coming from deeper sections of the lake.As I would swim deeper in the lake to investigate I would absolutely loose my sense of direction,not knowing if I were going up, or down?I began to panic thinking I could very possibly drown. In my hysterical,confused state I began to swim towards a flourescent,soft light.As i eventually arrived at the light I discovered that the face of Yoda from STAR WARS on a monitor.Yoda was trying to explain to me the conection between the ancient sumarians and aliens???? ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = union-carbide reunion ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 9-4-01 {9:45 A.M.} ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Phil Van fleet ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = "Before I went to sleep I had thoughts about the waste of time sitting at the computer during graduate school." I dreamt that I was at my computer working on my master's thesis and I lost a very important piece of work, chapter 6. This chapter being the synthesis of all my research. I was in a total panic. I kept searching in different places and it would not come up. Suddenly my screen turned into this panoramic view of a mountain and valley. I entered the screen. I was somewhere in Europe and in another time. I headed toward town. I was on a dusty dirt road. I knew this place! I became excited, the learning center was here! I began to run down the street asking the citizens "Where is the learning center?" I came upon the learning center, which had giant red-clay pillars out in front. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Learning Center ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 1993 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = DreamTime ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream that I walked in to my boyfriends office and saw a scripture from the Bible in big bold flashing letters on his Desk Top. It said 1st Corinthians ch.6. When I woke up I looked up the scripture and it seemed to be bit of advise for some issues that were going on at that time in real life. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Flashing Message ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = one month ago. ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Josie ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I can hear high pitched frequencies, mind you, I don't dream, haven't for years (they say it's dangerous, and can make you schizophrenic or some other such nonsense). I do however sometimes have a sort of daydream when I'm waking up, my imagination sort of run's away with itself (damn it for having an affair with itself!!) and I have the closest thing to a dream as I can get. So, the reason I told you I can hear high pitched frequencies. One night I'd gone to bed and left my PC on, well, later that night I woke up, and as I was waking up my little not a dream occurred. I was in a building and I heard this piercing sound, but no matter how well I covered my ears I could still hear it. It was MADDENING, and nothing could make it stop. The building was grey and dark, and there wasn't another soul for miles. A few of the windows were broken I think, and I began to run. The noise was an alarm of some sort, something of a warning. It had something to do with computers, IN the not a dream. Something about crashing, and their were computers in an office that I ran by. I came completely out of it when my feet slipped on the railing and i fell hard on my behind. Note, I have a VERY strong imagination! If I imagine falling, or flying, or moving my body will jerk, violently sometimes. It's even happened during day-dreams at school. If I imagine say...punching someone (I box), my arm will jerk. So I woke up and the noise was coming from computer. I'd never noticed it before since I usually have music playing when I'm at my PC. I just thought it was interesting. I'd heard of people dreaming their alarm clock was a phone or something else, but I didn't think this would happen in something that wasn't even a dream. ::shrugs:: Perhaps not dreaming does something to oneself after all. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = The not a dream dream ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Um...a long time ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Amberlay ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dream that my consciousness is like an operating system and applications (like Word, Excel, etc., are like states of mind or ways of dealing with outer reality. Most people use Microsoft Word but there are many programs available to use. They are ways of experiencing the world. Comments: I have variations of this dream frequently. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Mind As Operating System ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I often dream about downloading & saving files, but in dreams, such things are often difficult... Not quite nightmares, but close... ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = File: Frustration ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = often ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You can participate by posting your computer related dreams at: http://www.dreamgate.com/computers References: Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (1999 August). Research Request: Computer's in Dreams : Pre and Post Internet Perceptions. Electric Dreams & Part I Pre-Net. Electric Dreams 6(8). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 March). Digital Dreams: The changing (inter)face of dreams in the twenty-first century. Electric Dreams 7(3). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 July). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams II : The changing (inter)face of dream texts. Electric Dreams 7(7). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 November). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams III :: The Digital Shift in Culture. Electric Dreams 7(11). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 January). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams IV :: Dream Code and Decoded Flows. Electric Dreams 8(1). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 May). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams V :: Emergence of Digital Imagery in Analog Dreamers. Electric Dreams 8(5). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 June). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams VI :: Digital Dreaming: Emergence or Replacement Imagery? Electric Dreams 8(6). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 August). Digital Dreaming Series: Digital Dreaming Research Project: Project Goals and Considerations. Electric Dreams 8(9). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 August). Digital Dreaming Series: (7b) Digital Dreams from March 2001 through April 2001. Electric Dreams 8(9). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2002 March). Digital Dreaming Series (8a): Data: Dreams from April 2001 to June 2001. Electric Dreams 9(4). Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2002 March). Digital Dreaming Series (8b): Uses of Computer Dreams as Personal and Cultural Meaning Maps. Electric Dreams ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # 9b The Digital Archetype: Discussions from the C.G. Jung Bulletin Board. - Richard Wilkerson Various myths and gods have been suggested as a way to understand the archetype that most deeply informs the emerging new paradigms brought out by the Internet. Robert Bosnak has suggested Mercury, not only for his relations with commerce and communications, but also his somewhat adolescent, boy-like qualities, which were the first large group of people to start surfing the Net. My general intuition is that the digital archetype is a newcomer, or a emerging archetype that has shown up here and there in history, but generally has been lying dormant. Initially I considered a god like Janus or other two-faced gods, but this doesn't really get at my intuition of the digital revolution. Yes, it is dual, but not really on and off, rather opposed faces. Also, there is for me something beyond the discrete on-off that has become essential, which I will address in a moment. Still, the digital vs analog issue needs to be addressed. The reason binary works so well in computer chips is that we can assign a value to nothing or off (=0) and assign a value to something or on (=1). Theoretically this forces the universe, at the level of the chip, into discreet rather than continuous parts. True, we can build up to a point where things become continuous again, but unlike our natural view of the world, we start now with the *abstract* and build towards the *concrete*. There is no reason I can see to theoretically exclude abstractness from archetypal, (see for example Hillman's discussions of the distance of Apollo) but I think that it might be better to see abstractness, mathematics, geometry, grid-thinking as included a little in every archetype's pantheon. Apollo has his own style of abstractness, and Hephestos (tools) has his, and even Venus has hers (love of generality), and so on. In this sense, abstractness is a grid- thinking, grid-acting part or aspect of all reality, limited as it is. But when we come to the point where our egos are stripped silly by the experience of abstract binary networks, its is here were the abstract becomes unlimited and we come up against the archetypal core and encounter something which I have yet to hear anybody name, there is just shaking and trembling. What shakes out is the new archetype's pantheon of sub-gods, demons, satyrs, saints and minions which are more visible and approachable. Here I see generally the unique realm of the digital *virtual*. Virtual? Lets make this simple first. You and I decide to play tic-tac-toe without a board, just in our minds. We can do this by agreeing on the same protocol, calling the rows 1-3 and the columns a-c. We play in virtual space. In fact, it could be said that the virtual exists where any distributed set of rules can interact. And we don't even have to have all the rules be the same. The Catholic Church creates an immense virtual reality, a realm in which people can immerse themselves in a kind of shared- imaginary. Once seen this way, we can see that the virtual is a kind of mutual imagination that exists everywhere. With computers, we simply have a computer mediated virtual reality. But there is something a little different . So let's assume for a moment that the digital virtual is this new archetypes realm. (or the digital virtual realm is a sub-realm of the god/dess of Virtuality) . Taking a quick tour of this realm I see: -- The original and the model coincide like they never have before. With other gods, the birth of these children give to the universe, for better or worse, something new. In the virtual digital world, everything is based on digital discreetness and therefore duplicatable down to the last byte. Hence this Deity shakes up and puts fear into capital enterprises that are based on duplication and its control - as we have seen in the music and movie industry. There is no difference between child one and child one million and one. -- For humans, bless our lost souls, this means we will be spending more and more time with models of reality rather than reality itself. This has already happened in fact, as I'm sure someone will call me on this and say "What do you mean by reality?" We no longer can agree on this, its lost, distributed across the globe so that each individual must decide for him/herself. But the self has itself become divided, seen as polyvocal, heterogeneous, a swarm of identities, many of which contradict and conflict with one another. It takes tens of thousands of dollars per person to get them through analysis and resuscitate an alignment with the Self. And so each person has multiple realities as well. Like a fractal bomb, the division of the self into multiplicities is accelerating towards the speed of light. Soon speed itself will become a value and the society will spin into orbit. It already has in many sectors, as we can see in the global economic restructuring that is laying old empires to rest and replacing them overnight with free market competition. No reason to morn the loss of humankind, the Virtual god loves this. Money is abstract and turns all values from quality to quantity. Everything is valued according to its market value. Libido is stripped from the tribe, from the family, from the king, the pharaoh, the gods, the soul and recoded on the back of capital. Once abstract, it can flow in digitally mediated reality. I don't want to sound like this is a Marxist critique. This capital stripping of values means I don't have to do what my father did, and I don't have to believe what my family believes and I don't have to worship the gods my city worships. My point is rather that this Virtual archetype, this Digital Deity, will be gathering up the pieces torn asunder and re-distributing them across a new horizon, one that is going to look quite different than the world we were used to. In this sense, Jungians and dreamworkers are in the right place as the right time to take on the new tasks of living in virtual reality. It will be more like a dream world. Object and subject will collapse and everything, everything, will be interactive. Just as all parts of the dream may be seen as parts of our Self, or self, all parts of the new digitally mediated world will be parts of selves as well. Don't be fooled by watching the news and hearing how the society can control the Internet. Napster was an archaic attempt that had one foot in the digital virtual and one foot in the old regime. As long as there is one foot in the old regime, it can be cut off. The new paradigm will be more like Gnutella based programs that exist *only* in cyberspace, doing what they do with little recourse to any particular computer, any particular person, any particular group. And this is a key point of the new archetype, that there is a distribution, an explosion, an infection, a deployment, an unchecked reproduction of binary machines that have no functional connection to biologically based life what-so-ever. From a Jungian point of view, we might say that not only have signs won out against the symbolic, but now no longer need the creatures that gave birth to them. The swarm of signs that were originally produced by the earth, by the societies that rose up out of the earth and on the earth, have now reached such a velocity that they have taken orbit above and beyond the human. Again, we panic as body, flesh & blood based creatures. This is almost like a taboo that we cannot look directly at. But then one could never look directly at the core of an archetype and survive. But lets assume that the Self does know, and not only ~looks~ directly at the core, but continually ~aligns~ the core of the Digital Virtual archetype, along with all the others, to itself. And if so, that our dreams are continually playing with this digital evolution. It is interesting to me that computer dreams ~don't~ seem to follow the statistical pattern of traditional machine dreams. Content analysis of dreams shows that we typically have problems with machines in dreams. For all that machines have done in raising our standard of living, one would think we could be more grateful. But this isn't so, and we can't get our cars to steer right, our brakes to work, our phones to connect to the right people, our light switches to work. It's as if there were some kind of basic antagonism between what the dream-ego expects and the real path of the dream when it's about machines. Perhaps as Jung is often quoted as saying, we just went too far, too fast in developing our tools for controlling the outer world, and there is some kind of immense inner compensation that occurs in dreams. And yet, with computer dreams, one just doesn't see the incidence of conflict that occurs in machines in general. Oh, they are there, and they are regular, but far less than other machines, and far less than machines that work so much better than computers! The tendency with computer dreams is to see them as a vehicle for transport and communication, as a fellow being with an identity, as a screen through which we might change dimensions. And so, in terms of the big picture and the archetypal pressures and forces at work with humans and the digital virtual revolution, I almost want to align myself with the odd ball UFO groups that see, (on a symbolic level anyway) that *something* big is about to happen to mankind. I almost want to take up with the digital elite that see the whole world, even material world, as code, and once de-coded, converted into digital format. I almost want to join with the cyber-enthusiasts that see the economy shifting from real-estate to virtual-economy. Almost. I sure thought that the cyber-feast would continue thought 2004 and I got caught sort when it didn't. Things don't evolve smoothly, but more in discontinuous leaps, both forward and back. The time-table now for the full ascendancy of the Digital Virtual deity is pushed back for me by decades, many centuries, from where it was for me in 1999. And as Jung has pointed out, there are some problems with signs, and therefore with abstractions, and discrete quanta. They tend to be soulless, to be a bi-directional item that points to something beyond themselves on one hand, and are motivated by where they came from on the other. They don't care much about us, and they have their own destinies. Much like the replicants in the movie "Blade Runner". The androids looked and acted like humans, but they admitted that they had other plans; to live in places humans had no interest or possibility of living, and of creating things beyond which humans had no interest or possibility of creating. It's not at all clear to me where my own alignment is. Stick with flesh-based, slow brain thinking that is very muddy, or upload myself into android with a quantum brain or network of virtual identities and take part in the birth of a new paradigm? In my dreams, my computers are replacing other objects. And so too this is occurring in the general populous. Just as cars replaced horse and buggies statistically in dream imagery, the digital objects will replace objects with which we have less attention and time. What is the dream saying to us through and about these new objects and the digital revolution? I don't have an answer that deeply satisfies me yet, either personally or for the large culture. This is all part of the continuing study of dreams and computers, but also the continuing struggle to keep the human as an important model, if not an important concrete reality, in the virtual realm. --------------------- Notes: 1. Re: computer dream statistics: these are just my eyeball view of the stats and gross over-generalizations - see the raw data for your own conclusions. See http://dreamgate.com/dream/computers/about.htm 2. I was just kind of thinking out loud, and so ravished many people's ideas. I wanted to include here some of these: Carl Jung, Sigmund Freud, Gilles Deleuze, Felix Guattari, Jean Baudrillard, Ray Kurzweil, Henry Bergson, Stephen Aizenstat, Jayne Gackenbach, G. W. Domhoff, Patrica Garfield, Robert Bosnak. =========================================================== <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Where is the Global Dreaming News? Now at the beginning of Electric Dreams! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ New Series begins with dream-flow@egroup.com Digest #1 09/29/2000 This issue includes volume #468 - #502 Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams. This section is edited by Elizabeth Westlake and the DreamEditor, a software creation of Harry Bosma, author of the Dream interpretation and journaling software "Alchera". (homepage: http://mythwell.com) Please note that we print these dreams as they come to us and that means we do not correct the spelling. Some dreamworkers find these spelling mistakes a great window on the dream and dreamer. The Electric Dreams DREAM SECTION includes dreams and comments from the DREAM FLOW, a project to circulate dreams in Cyberspace. 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An Archive of dream-flow is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow@egroups.com/ Pre-November 2000: http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow@lists.best.com/ Pre-November 1998 http://www.mail-archive.com/ed-core@lists.best.com/ Pre-April 1990 Use Electric Dreams Backissues http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 468-001 Subject: (unknown) Hi. My name is [name removed] and my boyfriend wanted me to find out about a dream he had. He had a dream that I smiled at him and my teeth were falling out. Most of them were gone and the others were crumbling out of my mouth. Please write me back and tell me what this means. Thank you. [name removed] comments: 469-001, 469-002 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 468-002 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 468-003 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 468-004 Subject: Sea of waterlike energy dream_title: Sea of waterlike energy dream_date: june 151997 dream_text: Looking at a Sea of waterlike energy while on a cliff. A Aquatic Humanoid stands beside me and tells me to dive in. Once doven in I see aquatic creatures of past and present, when I sight a Black Sphere in a cluster of coral. I come to the surface where he awaited me. I was dry and laid the coallike sphere on the gagged ground before the Aquarian. The object levitated and burst into a electic rage all of which absorbed into me and filled me with a strange power that I could not control yet. Four more did apear Around me one of fire, wind ,water, and one of white light all of which I at 22 years of age can't explain to this day. dream_comments: All I ask is an explination to my dream if at all possible comments: 469-003 __________________________________________________________________ ____ Message: 469-001 [468-001] Subject: Re: (unknown) I have heard (but I don't remember where) that dreams of teeth falling out can signify a feeling of loss of control, but this usually refers to the dreamers own teeth. Don't know if that helps any, but that's what I know about the subject. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 469-002 [468-001] Subject: comment on the teeth dream I have had some dreams myself that are like the one your boyfriend had, [name removed], but I always interpreted them as being a simple fear that is being repressed or maybe just isn't being confronted the way it should be. I think that maybe the fact that your teeth fell out in the dream were that maybe your boyfriend is worried about a personal habit of yours that he's afraid might have long term effect on you, like biting your lip or something, and he's afraid to talk to you about it. It could also be something silly. Maybe that day you ate a lot of candy or drank a lot of soda and in the back of his head he was a little nervous but in his conscious mind he didn't think anything of it. Dreams are very strange, and the set meanings to parts in dreams sometimes don't apply. It all depends on the dreamer and what caused the dream. [name removed] __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 469-003 [468-004] Subject: Re: Sea of waterlike energy It is common dream lore that water means life, or new life. The black sphere could have been something good or bad, because dreams tend to go "opposites" on you at times, but either way I think it may have been some kind of premonition, or warning. I myself have a tendency to dream something and then it happens, but I believe that when a person premonizes, they're either comforting themselves or warning themselves. A woman who premonized about a rather memorable train wreck told me once that the psychic part of the brain we all have, but whether or not we use it is what makes a person a psychic. I think your dream meant that at some point in your life, you're going to have a change, perhaps where you will be in a position of "power". I'd imagine you'd probably get a major promotion at work, but then again I don't know you, it could be something completely different. But what the dream was trying to tell you was that no matter how good that power feels, don't let it consume you, otherwise you might abuse it. Abused power can result in a lot of pain and conflict, and eventually the abuser gets what's coming to them. I think your dream was comforting you because you may have been at a weak point in your life, but at the same time it was warning you. [name removed] __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-001 Subject: Yosemite Sam and the demon girl dream_title: Yosemite Sam and the demon girl dream_date: 1998 dream_text: I am sleeping in my room during a thunderstorm. A girl breaks through my window with a knife saying I'm going to die. The thing that really scared me was that she was half-girl half-bloody skeleton! All of a sudden Yosemite Sam jumps up from under my bed and scares her away! dream_comments: I woke up screaming and crying. I was six at the time and I still remember it. Comments: 470-003, 472-004 __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-002 #ed.note: message removed non-dream post# __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-003 [470-001] Subject: Re: Yosemite Sam and the demon girl You know, I dreamed something like that last year. I was in bed in the dream, thinking I was awake, and I was moaning about a guy I liked, when this really short dwarf-like man in armor threw a dagger at me and it hit the board on the bed right above my head. He was very angry and I think he was yelling something about my future that might have involved the apocalypse but all I remember about what he said was that it was something I didn't believe in. While he was yelling, a robot strongly resembling R2D2 walked up behind him and was nidding in agreement that he should kill me or something. Then right behind him came this person who I think was a man and he resembled a Buddist monk. The monk agreed with the dwarfman too but it seemed like he was in a way trying to help me, like he was stalling the dwarf for a while. Then the monk led all of us into a room full of television security monitors, and the monitors were showing my previous dream that night. That particular part that we walked in on was me dancing like an absolute moron. The Buddist monk guy said, "Look, there's [name removed] 'shaking it' ". After I sat down to watch whatever was on these monitors, suddenly I forced to glance at the dwarf, as if it were against my will, mind control or something. I don't remember much else about that dream except that on the way to the room with the monitors, we passed an island party with women in bikinis. I suddenly felt a strange urge to dance with the women, but when I did the Buddist monk grabbed my arm and yanked me away so fast it felt like it were real. It was really weird. I just thought I'd share that with you because your dream seemed to strike a cord and remind me of this one in spring 2001. __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-004 Subject: roaches dream_title: roaches dream_date: 5/17/02 dream_text: I keep dreaming that I put a bunch of seeds in a glass jar with water. After about a half an hour on my clock in my dream, the seeds turn into roaches and i put a book over the jar's top because i'm afraid that all the roaches will come out of the jar. Finally i put the whole jar in the garbage and throw it away. dream_comments: What does this mean? __________________________________________________________________ ______ Message: 470-005 Subject: The Collapse dream_title: The Collapse dream_date: October 1998 dream_text: The first part of the dream was more vague as to my exact activities and the characters. I was at a church meeting where some of the elders were trying to get me out, it was clear they wanted to shut me up. I was threatening to the leader, an evil man. I was trying to expose him for what he was. There was a young woman also involved helping me. The focus shifted and I became aware that all of earth's systems both man-made and natural were collapsing, implosions. The sky had gone dark as night. I recall looking at the sky and feeling shock and a lump of fear in my throat as I looked around me and wondered what to do. I felt awe, fear and panic at the realization of the things around me, those things that I relied upon were falling apart. I decided to go to LC & JC's to be with them. [this family in reality live in a very rural, primative area of the country] I went to a house [not known in real life], up a long stairway to an apartment and set to work to quickly gather some things together for the move. The house was old, the stairway long, steep and narrow as so many of these o