E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Subscribe: electric-dreams-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: electric-dreams-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Subscribe Online: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electric-dreams o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o E.l.e.c.t.r.i.c D.r.e.a.m.s Volume #9 Issue #4 April 2002 ISSN# 1089 4284 o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Download a cover for this issue! http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o C O N T E N T S ++ Editor's Notes ++ The Global Dreaming News Events - Updates - Reviews - More From Peggy Coats - www.DreamTree.com ++ Column: An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange By Lucy Gillis ++ Article: Maslow's Map A New System of Dream Classification Chapter 4: The Hero's Journey By Linda Lane Magallón ++ Article: The Stable Intense Lights of Lucid Dreaming By George Gillespie ++ Article & Research Data: Computer Dreams Digital Dreaming Series #8A: DATA : Selected Dream entries from April 2001 to June 2001 and #8B: Article: Uses of Computer Dreams as Personal and Cultural Meaning Maps. By Richard Catlett Wilkerson D R E A M S S E C T I O N : This issue includes volume # 399 - 420 D E A D L I N E : April 20th deadline for May 2002 submissions XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Send Dreams and Comments on Dreams to: Richard Wilkerson Send Dreaming News and Calendar Events to: Peggy Coats Send Articles and Subscription concerns to: Richard Wilkerson: o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Editor's Notes o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Welcome to the April 2002 issue of Electric Dreams, your portal to dreams and dreaming online. If you are new to dreams and dreaming, please join us on dreamchatters@yahoogroups.com and we will guide you to the resources you need. Our news directory, Peggy Coats, from dreamtree.com, has gathered dreaming news from around the world. In the Global Dreaming News you will find the latest dream and dreamwork events, conferences, and seminars. Also you will find research and research requests for subject, updates on your favorite dream websites, book reviews and more. If you have news items about dreams and dreaming for Peggy, send them to her at web@dreamtree.com Lucy Gillis explores the world of lucid dreaming and this month turns the tables on her co-editor Robert Waggoner who usually does all the interviewing himself. Be sure to enter the lucid mind of RW in this month's Excerpt from the Lucid Dream Exchange: "DreamSpeak - An Interview with a Lucid Dreamer" Linda Lane Magallón, author of _Mutual Dreaming_ and long time dream researcher of outer reaches of human potential, continues her investigation into a neglected area of dreams through the work of Humanistic psychologist, Abraham Maslow. This month Magallón continues with _Maslow's Map: A New System of Dream Classification_ with a selection titled "The Hero's Journey" which explores dreams against the hierarchy of needs, suggests some alternatives and provides a map of actualizing a wider, more enriched life. One of the early pioneers in educating the public about lucid dreaming, George Gillespie's articles and texts can be found in the Lucidity Letter Journal, Dreaming, the journal of the Association for the Study of Dreams and in many books. Gillespie is well know for his own abilities as in lucid dreaming and especially for his phenomenal phenomenological observations of the lucid dream state. In this article below, "The Stable Intense Lights of Lucid Dreaming" Gillespie explores the experience of light that often characterize the lucid dream state. The Computer Dreams survey is still going, though the 9-11 events really put a dent in the flow of respondents. Still, there is a ton of data, and though I haven't done the statistical work on this data, I find it is fascinating enough to present as "literature." Be sure to look through the kinds of computer dreams that people are having. I'm including with the data some observations and suggestions for the use of the material outside of scientific curiosity, mostly inspired from an article by therapist Michael Vannoy Adams on the metaphorical meaning of computers in dreams and the transference and Patricia Garfield,Ph.d.'s Universal Dreams and how these show up for us culturally and cross-culturally. For those of you who are building your digital metaphors, be sure to read Uses of Computer Dreams as Personal and Cultural Meaning Maps. Our dream-flow Dreams this month come from all around the Net and have been organized by the software developed by Harry Bosma. Be sure to look through the dreams and see what on the mind and soul of dreamers in Cyberspace. Thanks to all who sent in information for the Dream Resources pages. There is still time to get your site updated. You can look through our collected website links at: http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/ *** !!! Dream Artists, please note the march 31 deadline for dream inspired art entries to the ASD International Conference in Boston at http://www.asdreams.org/2002/ About the Cover Artist: Joy Hellman's "Night Visitors" "I am a transcendental artist as I work mainly from intuition, vision and "inner being". I believe in the power of dream imagery both in my creative process and as a healing catharsis of the sub conscious. I love symbols and I use them in my art as they are the language of the soul and they speak from one soul to another. I also believe that dreams are a powerful infinite 'Well' for tapping personal visual stories. The images can be based on past memories from childhood. "During an eight-week dream course I concentrated on an area in my own life and kept track of my dream symbols. I went through an incredible process that for me proves the power of dreams. I got in touch with childhood memories of abuse, I met three main archetypes: The Abusive Mother, the Little Lost Child and the Shadow Self. Through the meeting of these "Visitors of the night" I went through a catharsis and a healing which transformed my life with deeper wisdom and inner strength. It also gave me the opportunity through my art to reach out to other women who had gone through similar childhood experiences. The painting that I did from my eight- week dream process, I donated to a Women's Center for Abuse. It is called Breakthrough to Healing and it is a three-part triptych that tells a story about my childhood pain, my struggle through the darkness of my illness with anorexia and my final healing process and breakthrough to wholeness. It is a celebration of empowerment that was given to me during my dream work. The painting is also an inspiration for other women and their own breakthrough to healing. I am very honored that I went through this dream process as it has made me artistically much more powerful. I continue to use dream work even now. The piece on the cover is from the painting and is called 'Night Visitors'." Joy Hellman owns an art studio where she teaches children and adults drawing and painting skills and facilitates women's creativity/spirituality and dream groups. She has worked with abused children, seniors and developmentally and mentally disabled. She loves to experiment with mixed media as well as non- art material in her art. Her works has been seen in a multimedia film and on the cover of a C.D She can be reached through her e- mail Joyof_Art@msn.com. For those of you who are new to dreams and dreaming, be sure to stop by one of the many resources: http://www.dreamtree.com http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library -Richard Wilkerson /////////////////////////////////////////////////////// <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S APRIL 2002 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats, pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at http://www.dreamtree.com/News/global.htm. This Month's Features: NEWS - CANCELLED: Desert Dreams ASD Regional - ASD International Conference #19-June in Boston - Consciousness & Dreams Con - April 26-May 1 - Extraordinary Dreams Conference - April 27 - 3rd Annual Toronto Festival Of Dreams - May 30 - Japanese TV needs pre-cognitive dreamers - Pre-cognitive dream survey for TV Show WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES - ASD Journal Articles Online - Electric Dreams Articles Online - The Vaults of Erowid - Sleep Site includes Dreaming Articles - DreamGate's History of Dream Class update FOCUS : Dream Publications! - DreamNetwork Magazine - ASD Dream Time Magazine - ASD Dreaming Journal - Oniros (French) - Electric Dreams DREAM CALENDAR for April 2002 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< N E W S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< >>> CANCELLED: Desert Dreams Regional, March 23, 2002 Desert Dreams has been cancelled. The Association for the Study of Dreams is making adjustments. Please see the ASD Website for other regional meetings. http://www.asdreams.org/subidxconfuture.htm Come to ASD's Desert Dreams regional meeting Saturday, March 23, 2002, from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. This wonderful regional activity will be held in Cathedral City, California (next to Palm Springs, approximately 100 miles east of Los Angeles). Help us spread the word! Forward the Desert Dreams website to people you know. >>> ASD XIX International Conference Boston (Medford) Massachusetts June 15 -19 , 2002 Dreams and Cultures, Dreams and Sleep Research, and Dreams and the Arts themes. ASD'S 19TH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE will begin on Saturday evening, June 15, 2002 with a lively invited panel which will address the issue of "Why Dreams Matter". Speakers will be representing the Arts, Research, Psychotherapy, Cross-Cultural, and Spiritual and Religious Studies--themes that will be present throughout the conference. Allan Hobson and Robbie Bosnak have accepted invitations to be on the panel, as well as to give invited addresses. For further news on the conference program, go to: http://asdreams.org/2002/ Select Program General submissions are now closed but the deadline for submitting slides for the art show is March 31, 2002 (See details below). The conference will begin on the Tufts University Campus, on Saturday, June 15th and end with the traditional dream ball on Wednesday evening the 19th of June. This allows you a few days to see Boston, Cape Cod or New England on Thursday after the conference. Log on to see the latest details on the June 15-19, 2002 conference including key contacts, presenters, registration, submissions, transportation, conferences themes, etc. Go to: http://www.asdreams.org/2002 >>>> Consciousness and Dreams Conference APRIL 26-MAY 1: FOURTH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON SCIENCE AND CONSCIOUSNESS :CONSCIOUSNESS EXPLORING ITSELF Albuquerque, NM, produced by The Message Company and co-sponsored with 26 other associations, universities, etc., including California Institute for Integral Studies, Association for Humanistic Psychology, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, American Society for Psychical Research, Saybrook Graduate School, JFKU's Consciousness Studies Dept., etc. The program is excellent as always with speakers such as Fritjof Capra, Peter Russell, Rupert Sheldrake, Matthew Fox, and more. (www.bizspirit.com) ---- At this conference we will explore the scientific and spiritual dimensions of Consciousness, including dreams and consciousness. http://www.bizspirit.com/science/index.html >>>> Extraordinary Dreams Conference APRIL 27 EXTRAORDINARY DREAMS FROM CRISIS TO CREATIVITY Cincinnati, OH. Regional Meeting, Association for the Study of Dreams. Jodine Grundy, Betty Hollin and Roger Knudson, hosts. Speakers will include Stanley Krippner, Jane White-Lewis, Betty Hollin and Roger Knudson. There will also be dream-sharing round tables, dream theater led by actress and playwright Sara Ridberg of Dreamplayers, and a performance of a premiere Dream Dance, The Crow and the Phoenix, story and choreography by ASD member and dancer, Valley Reed. This regional offers an exciting new format, at relatively low cost ($50-lunch included). for details : http://www.e-dreamdesigns.com/asdohio.htm >>>> 3RD ANNUAL TORONTO FESTIVAL OF DREAMS DREAMS, MYTH, AND SPIRITUALITY MAY 30, 31, JUNE 1 Toronto, ONT. Co-sponsored with the Fremes-Swift Community Development fund, hosted by Mike Hynes and the Institute for Psychotherapy an Emotional Bodywork. Featured speakers (to date). Speakers include: Liliana Acero, Joan Barnett, Beverley Clarkson, Adam Crabtree, Anne Deck, James Gollnick, David Gordon, Bob Hoss, Annie Jacobsen, John M. Lee, Shirley Ma, Sharon MacIsaac, Dan McDonald, Gregory Nye, Craig Webb, Ann Sayre Wiseman. Visit: http://spiritcentral.com/dreams/2002.htm for further information. >>>> Japanese TV needs pre-cognitive dreamers. Katsuya Kurosaki works for a Japanese TV Production Company, BK. Nexent Inc., in New York City and they are looking for pre- cognitive dreams and dreamers for their new Television show. From Katsuya: " At this time, we are planning to broadcast the amazing facts of the Dream Precognition for prime time entertainment television show titled "Unbelievable B" in Japan. We are now gathering information as much as possible about this subject. To produce the program, we would like to have stories of your precognitive dream experience. In Japan, we already found person who predicted September 11 WTC tragedy by the precognitive dream more than 18 months before the attack. He has been taking dream diary since 17 years ago and has drawing of WTC in flames that was drown right after the waking. He has been predicting some other unusual events and the accidents as well. We are now finding several impressive drawings from all over the world. Please help us to find some kind of the drawings and people who have an ability to predict future by the dreaming. It doesn't matter what kind of events you predicted. But, if you have the drawing to prove your precognitive dream, it will be very nice and appearing to Japanese audiences (You know audience always doesn't want to believe this kind of stories without some evidence). We have not found the drawing in United State yet. We need your support to find it and please send me your information. Fax#: (212)697-9542 E-mail: kurosaki@nexent.tv ------------------ Question about Pre-cognitive Dream -When did you start having precognitive dream? (When were you aware of it?) *Tell us a story about your first precognitive dream. -Do you have precognitive dream everyday? -Do you have normal dream as well? -How do you know and distinguish normal dream and precognitive dream? -Does precognitive dream always hit successfully? *Could you tell me your hitting ratio? - - Are you able to have precognitive dream intentionally? - What is the difference between precognitive dream and Déjà vu? *Is it same as a prophetic dream? -What is the difference between precognitive dream and regular prophecy? -What kind of condition you need to be in, in order to have precognitive dream? (Environmental condition and Physical condition) - -How much detail can you predict by precognitive dream? Does the precognitive dream have any of concreteness? (Date&Time, Location, People, and Event) - -Do you dream about only a bad precognitive dream? Or you have a good dream as well. - - -Your Precognitive dream is B/W or Full colors? Ø *How vivid it is? Ø *Can you draw picture of your precognitive dream? -While you are dreaming, are you aware of that you are dreaming? -Can you have precognitive dream in different country? -Can you have precognitive dream in different countries where you have not visited? (The location does not affect to your precognitive dream?) -Do you need certain information or knowledge for precognitive dream? (People or location you see in your precognitive dream must be the people or location you have known?) For Example, can you have dream related to Japan? Question for Doctor and researcher -How do you call people who have ability to predict future in dream? -Could you tell me brief result of your experiment? (What did you find and hitting ratio) *Do you have video footage of it? *If you have the video footage, could you tell me specifically what was shot? -Do you believe that precognitive dream is actually exist? *If it is "Yes", could you tell your perspective to our audience? *Although you don't believe it, how could you tell your perspective about precognitive dream to our audience? -Can everyone have precognitive dream after special training? Or is it for only person who has special talent. -What kind of situation is the best to have precognitive dream? Fax#: (212)697-9542 E-mail: kurosaki@nexent.tv <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< W E B S I T E & O N L I N E U P D A T E S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm This is really a public projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes to the links page to us. >>> Dreaming Journal Articles online http://www.asdreams.org/journal/articles/index.htm The Association for the Study of Dreams publishes a peer-reviewed journal called _Dreaming_ once a quarter. While the journal is only mailed to members and select libraries, the Editor in Chief, Deirdre Barrett, Ph.D., releases a major article to the public for each edition. These articles are of interest to dreamworkers, but also to research scientists, clinicians, anthropologists and any other person or group who takes dreams seriously. >>>> Electric Dreams articles online http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-articles/ You are probably already familiar with the extensive back issue collection of Electric Dreams from 1994 to 2002, but are you aware that most of these articles have been extracted and indexed by author and keyword? If not, you are in for a treat and one of the largest collections of texts online about dreams and dreaming and dreamwork. >>> The Vaults of Erowid A personally funded research project for the explorer of the netherworlds, the Vaults of Erowid now sport a page on Dreams and Dreaming. What is unique is that people submit experiences and the techniques that contributed to that experience. Warning, includes controlled substance reports and is not recommended for children. http://www.erowid.org/spirit/dreaming/dreaming.shtml >>>> Sleep Site includes Dreaming Articles http://sommeil.univ-lyon1.fr/articles/te2e.html The Sleep, Dreams and Wakefulness site hosts a 50,000 article database on Sleep and Dreams. While the site is mostly for sleep, not dream, research, some real gems in dream research can be found there, including >>>> History of Dreams online Class update http://www.dreamgate.com/class The DreamGate "History of Dreams" Course has been offered online for many years but has been difficult for those of you in other countries as the class only accepted US currency and checks. Now you can join the class using credit card online! WHAT YOU GET ======> When you have finished the class, you will have a grasp of the whole history of dream work and be able to apply many of the techniques to your own dreams and others. [Six Week Class, 2 Lesson Modules per week plus groups) You will also be plugged into the global dream community, given a free subscription to the Dream Sharing Ezine _Electric Dreams_, which includes the Global Dreaming News, events , articles and dreams. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< D R E A M M A G A Z I N E S Special Global Dreaming News Focus <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Dream magazine and newsletters have functioned to provide a voice for the sometimes unheard dreamworker and researcher, but also tie the community of dream folks together, provide the first glimpse of the work that is being done and fire up the deep creativity and forward progress of the Dream Movement. Salute also goes to wonderful but now out-of-print newsletters, magazine and journals including DreamWorks, The Sundance Journal, The Lucidity Letter, Dream Scene, Oniros, Night Vision, and the many local and regional dream newsletters. And below are some of the still-active publications on dreams and dreaming. Next month, dream newsletters! >>>> The Dream Network Magazine http://www.dreamnetwork.net/ Dream Network is the in-print and online vehicle for a growing grassroots network of individuals who believe in the value and power of dreams to help us, individually and collectively, to positively transform ourselves and our world. From Publisher Roberta Ossana "We encourage you to realize that your dreams do have purpose and meaning; and aspire to provide inspiration and education to help you in better understanding their symbolic and metaphoric language. In Dream Network, we explore a new Question or Focus each issue, The Art of Dreamsharing and Dream Education and the Mythic Dimension. Each issue contains regular columns, book reviews, poetry, a resourceful Classified Section and extraordinary dream iinspired Art. Dream Network is a beautifully created, professional publication, available worldwide." Dream Network, 1337 Powerhouse Lane, Suite 22, Moab, UT 84532 Phone 435-259-5936 >>>> Dream Time Magazine (ASD) http://www.asdreams.org/idxmagazine.htm Dream Time is an information service and forum for ASD members. The online section includes news about conferences and other meetings and events, articles on dreams and dreaming, as well as research abstracts of past issues and special columns on dreams and film, dreams and Cyberspace, dreams and books. Dream Time is now available to the public! Dream Time covers special issues that are of interest to the general public as well as researchers, such as the children's dreams issue and dreams and spirituality. These are now available for a reasonable fee. For more information, see ordering reprints. >>>> ASD journal Dreaming http://www.asdreams.org/idxjournal.htm Dreaming is a multidisciplinary journal, the only professional journal devoted specifically to dreaming. The journal publishes scholarly articles related to dreaming from any discipline and viewpoint. This includes biological aspects of dreaming and sleep/dream laboratory research; psychological articles of any kind related to dreaming; clinical work on dreams regardless of theoretical perspective (Freudian, Jungian, existential, eclectic, etc.); anthropological, sociological, and philosophical articles related to dreaming; and articles about dreaming from any of the arts and humanities. All papers undergo peer review by three to six referees, both within and outside the discipline of the author. >>>> ONIROS and the French Association for the Study of Dreams http://www.oniros.fr/home.html ONIROS often publishes a magazine in French about dream and dreaming topics. Contact Roger Ripert for details on previous issues: Oniros Association Chitry Mount Shoe 58190 NEUFFONTAINES France Tel.: (33) 03.86.24.86.41 Fax: (33) 03.86.24.04.94 Email: oniros@club-internet.fr >>>> Electric Dreams E-zine http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams The Electric Dreams e-zine is a public service magazine devoted to dreams and dreaming, with a focus on online dream sharing. Electric Dreams is published and distributed once a month via e- mail and archived online. We accept articles, news, dreams and comments on dreams. As a public service, we do not offer payment for articles, but we can offer you publicity for your ideas, covers, projects and services. Articles: We like to encourage articles that explore dreaming on the Internet, but we accept articles on all topics in dreaming, including dreamwork, dream research, dream inspired poetry and art, dream science, anthropology, psychology, philosophy and dream articles with unusual foci. Please send your articles to Richard Wilkerson at rcwilk@dreamgate.com . You can send these articles in any format you like, however we would like to have them sent as MS Word or WordPerfect attachments. Please virus check before sending. More information HERE about style, copyrights and deadlines. ------- News: The Global Dreaming News accepts news on all topics in dreams and dreaming, including book reviews, web updates, announcements of conferences, seminars and workshops, research requests and announcement of other events. Please send your dream news to Peggy Coats at web@dreamtree.com -------- Dreams: Electric Dreams collects dreams from contributors and publishes these anonymously once a month. If you have a dreams you would like to share, please submit those to our dream entry form. If you are interested in joining a dream group online, please see the DreamWheel information. http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple ------- Community: Electric Dreams community members offer many dream- related venues for interaction, including the DreamWheel and eDreams dream groups, dream sharing bulletin boards from DreamTree.com, the dreamchatters eList hosted by Victoria Quinton. Richard Wilkerson also offers a popular History of Dreaming course at DreamGate.com that covers the full history of dreams and dreaming starting at the first of each month. We also offer and support many special online events, such as the annual Dream Swarm, online Chat via ASD and the monthly mutual dream destination. Subscribe to the monthly e-mail magazine to keep up on all the latest events as Electric Dreams and elsewhere on the Net. http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library or http://www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams >>> Unimagazin, Dreams Issue There are many magazine that will do special focus months on dreams. Here is a recent German zine with devoted a whole issue to dreams: http://www.unicom.unizh.ch/magazin/archiv/pdf/magazin2000-1.pdf The unimagazin is a quarterly magazine of the University of Zurich. Each issue is dedicated to one major theme. The first issue 2000 was dedicated to "dreaming, soul and world in dreams" It gives a good overview of the main approaches to dreaming at the University of Zurich. These are the (Freudian) psychoanalytical and the empirical scientific approach (studies with a sleep laboratory). >>>> Peacock's Perch: A Journal of Paradigm Perspectives http://www.paragonpeacock.com The Winter 2002 issue features two articles on dreams, one by Richard Wilkerson on dreamwork in the 21st Century. paragon@paragonpeacock.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< D R E A M C A L E N D A R March 2002 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< 26 April - 1 May Consciousness and Dreams Conference Albuquerque, NM http://www.bizspirit.com/science/index.html 27 April - Extraordinary Dreams Conference EXTRAORDINARY DREAMS:FROM CRISIS TO CREATIVITY Cincinnati, OH. http://www.e-dreamdesigns.com/asdohio.htm 15-19 - June in Boston (Medford) Massachusetts ASD XIX International Conference Boston (Medford) Massachusetts http://www.asdreams.org/2002 30 May - 1 June 3rd Annual Toronto Festival of Dreams Toronto, ONT. http//spiritcentral.com/dreams/2002.htm end news --------------------------------------------------- o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o An Excerpt From the Lucid Dream Exchange By Lucy Gillis o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o DreamSpeak - An Interview with a Lucid Dreamer In future issues of LDE, co-editor Robert Waggoner will be interviewing lucid dreamers, discussing their experiences and interests. I thought it only fair that Robert, a long time lucid dreamer himself, be interviewed first! Robert Waggoner has been lucid dreaming for the past 25 years. Besides assisting with the LDE, he speaks at conferences and occasionally writes on lucid dreaming. He's a strong supporter of the Association for the Study of Dreams, and encourages lucid dreamers to check them out at www.asdreams.org. When not dreaming, he lives in Ames, IA with his wife, Wendy, and two cats. [L] How long have you been lucid dreaming? I began lucid dreaming in the spring of 1975 after reading Journey to Ixtlan by Carlos Castaneda. It seemed quite simple to use the method taught in the book to "set up dreaming". Carlos was told by his teacher don Juan that, "Tonight in your dreams you must look at your hands." He clarified it a bit and said, "But pick one thing in advance and find it in your dreams. I said your hands because they will always be there." Don Juan advised Carlos that when he saw his hands in his dreams then he would naturally realize he was dreaming. I interpreted all of this to mean that before going to sleep I should look at my hands and suggest to myself to see them in the dream state. In the dream, seeing one's hands would then be the cue to become conscious or lucid within the dream - just like some conditioned response, in which a stimulus elicits a certain response. [L] How did that technique turn out? Within a few days of trying this practice each night, I had my first actively sought lucid dream at age 17. It was incredible! [L] What was your first lucid dream like? The first lucid dream began simply enough. In it, I was walking in the hallways of my High School, at the junction of B and C halls. As I prepared to push the door open, I suddenly felt like the world had become brighter somehow. Suddenly my hands flew up in front of my face which made me realize, "This is a dream! This is a dream!" I walked a few feet towards the Administration Building with a great feeling of euphoria and energy, welling up inside. I decided to look back down at my hands and this time I became totally absorbed in them. I saw each fingerprint, each line, as if it were a giant flesh-toned canyon that I hovered above and within. I felt like the world was now my palmprint, and that I could spend eternity moving about its vast canyons and gullies and whorls. I no longer saw a hand, I saw cream colored canyon-like walls of varying undulations surround me, through which my perception seemed to float. I was ecstatic and joyous, filled with awe. I wondered how this could be. Then, my vision popped back to normal proportions and I saw again that I was standing in front of the Administration Building with my hands outstretched. I thought about what to do, and felt this incredible urge to fly, to fly! I became airborne heading straight up for the sunny sky. At this point the overwhelming feelings of elation had reached their maximum pitch and the lucid dream ended and I awoke, astounded with my heart pounding. [L] What did you think about that? I had never felt such intense feelings of elation, energy and utter freedom. I was amazed to realize that my hands literally flew up to my face as if propelled by some magical force in the dream state. Still it seemed so paradoxical - to become conscious when dreaming - to become conscious in the unconscious!? What a concept! So each night before I went to sleep, I would look at my hands and remind myself that I wanted to see my hands in my dreams. I found it an extremely easy technique to follow. At the time (1975) it was the only technique that I was aware of. I think it was 1980 when I learned of LaBerge's MILD technique, and I had excellent success with it. [L] Why do you think the Castaneda technique is not more popular? Well, there are two reasons. First, some people think it is extraordinarily boring. That's true of course, but I think that is one reason the technique works -- my belief is that when your "ego" gets bored and sleepy as you look at your hands before going to sleep, the lack of ego focus allows the intent of lucidity to reach your inner self. It's like the ego is a sentry at the gates to the unconscious, and only when it is bored or sleepy, can the idea of one's intent to lucid dream move over to the inner self. The other reason for the lack of popularity is probably the concerns about Castaneda's veracity. The books have some incredible stories that defy rational explanations and some have suggested that Castaneda took eastern techniques and wove them into a shamanic fictional story. I don't know what the truth is - I just liked the practical technique. [L] Do you still use the Castaneda technique to achieve lucidity? No. Nowadays, I am much more likely to become lucid by simply noticing something odd in the dream - fish swimming in the air, my deceased father talking to me, a shimmery surface, etc. And on those nights when I'm consciously trying to have a lucid dream, I am much more likely to use LaBerge's MILD technique, the CRAM technique (my self-created Constant Repetition - Affirming Message in which I clear my mind and constantly repeat my intention to become lucid), or wake up for 10 minutes in the early morning hours and concentrate on lucid dreaming before going back to sleep. [L] How did your lucid dreaming progress? Like most people, I assume, I initially was caught up in the basics of prolonging the lucid dream, exploring the lucid environment and its verisimilitude to the waking state, flying and trying to interact with characters in the dream. Though on another level, one could say that I was actually learning to use my "will" and "intent" and "expectation" in a psychological environment. One of my fortunate encounters was getting an invitation to join Linda Magallon's "Lucidity Project" in which lucid dreamers were given a monthly goal or challenge to achieve in their lucid dreaming. For me, having a challenge was essential to progressing as a lucid dreamer. [L] What were some of the lucid dream challenges? They varied. One month it was to find out what the symbols in the dream meant - and so I had a wonderful lucid dream of asking a dream character what he represented whereupon a voice boomed out of the sky with a response, followed by me asking for a clarification and the voice booming out the clarified response. It was simultaneously hilarious and insightful. Other challenges were things like developing a self affirmation in a lucid dream or getting precognitive information in a lucid dream. The value of these challenges were twofold: first, I learned how to take a waking task into the lucid environment, experiment with it and retrieve the information, and second, I learned that the realm of lucid dreaming was much, much deeper than I previously supposed and called into question many ordinary suppositions about one's daily (and often unquestioned) reality. [L] And since then, what lucid dream interests have you investigated? I got into various things. On one level, I was very interested in the apparent workings of the mind, while lucid in a dream. It seemed to me that if one became lucid and just observed, one could see the principles of the unconscious mind (assuming of course that dreaming and lucid dreaming take place in the unconscious). Personally, as I did this, I developed the idea that the detached lucid dreamer was seeing the unconscious in a state of Associational Entropy. Entropy is a term from physics that is defined as "the measure of a system to undergo spontaneous change". Association is a term used in psychology to suggest "a mental connection or relation between thoughts, feelings, ideas or sensations." As the dream events unfolded there seemed to be associational linkages amongst the objects or symbols in the observed lucid dream. When you stop in a lucid dream and simply observe, in my experience, things continue to happen. Cars move. People walk. All of this happens without the lucid dreamer "willing" it or "controlling" it (by the way, I really dislike people saying lucid dreaming is about "controlling" dreams; it is more accurate to say that lucid dreaming is about directing one's awareness in the dream). Since things continue to happen, it made me assume that there are underlying mental processes and that they likely follow certain principles. It reminded me of being in 8th grade science class, when we learned about "Brownian movement" or the continuing currents of movement in a 'still' glass of liquid water. The unconscious seems to be involved in its own Brownian movement, and one would suppose that there are some basic underlying principles that account for that. It seems to me that lucid dreamers could shed light on these issues of psychology and psychological mechanisms - perhaps better than many other approaches that come to mind! [L] What else? Well, I also explored various things like precognition while lucid dreaming. On my first try with this, I ended up lucid and then thinking, "How can I precognate, when I am cognating now?" Upon waking, I could see that I would have to plan to have the precognitive information be "apart" from me. That is, I would have to get it from a dream character or suggest that it would appear somehow. I felt that my precognitive lucid dreaming experiences were quite successful. Yet, I learned that one often has to translate that lucid dream data or response - and therefore if you screw up the translation or interpretation, then you may be disappointed. I also worked on other issues like mutual lucid dreaming with some excellent lucid dreamers, like Ed Kellogg and Linda Magallon. Basically, we set up a scientific protocol in which each person randomly selected a code word from a group of 100 words and a gesture from a group of 10 gestures. On a predetermined night, we were to become lucid and find the other individual's, and pass on our code word and gesture and receive their code word and gesture while taking observations about the lucid dream environment, and then wake up and send all of this to a third party "fair witness" for analysis. Here again, I feel we had some success, and learned a lot about mutual dreaming and telepathy and all. It was quite amazing actually. It also made me wonder why one doesn't hear more about experimentation with lucid dreaming. [L] Do you feel that lucid dreaming is a personal, subjective event or a larger, mutual event? Since I grew up in the Midwest and didn't have lucid dreamers to talk to, it surprised me that when I joined the Association for the Study of Dreams that other lucid dreamers and I had apparent commonalities of lucid experiences. These "commonalities" suggest that lucid dreaming may be less subjective or entirely intra- personal than normally supposed. While I could argue that there is an element of mutuality in some lucid dreams, it is a very complicated issue. For example, many of us lucid dreamers could talk about the common features of being in another's dream - how it differs and what it is like - and an objective observer would have a hard time denying the similarities - but explaining the whys and hows boggles the mind. [L] What do you think is the future of lucid dreaming? I hope that lucid dreaming will become even better known, due to movies like "Vanilla Sky" and the work of lucid dreamer proponents and researchers. I hope that people will go beyond lucid dreaming as an interesting curiosity and see lucid dreaming's potential to explore consciousness and effect our understanding of psychology, and our subjective reality and larger world. Also, I imagine that individuals will begin to go deeper into lucid dreams and try to find some boundaries to lucid dreaming's depths. About 8 or 9 years ago, I ultimately decided to try and go "beyond lucid dreaming" - beyond symbolism, beyond preconceptions, beyond expectations. At first, I didn't realize what was happening, and I began to have some very unusual and special experiences, which are actually hard to verbalize. To sum it up, I think lucid dreaming has a "bright" future. Robert Waggoner can be contacted at dreambob@aol.com ************************************ The Lucid Dream Exchange is a quarterly newsletter featuring lucid dreams and lucid dream related articles, poetry, and book reviews. To subscribe to The Lucid Dream Exchange send a blank email to: TheLucidDreamExchange-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or join through the Yahoo Groups website at http://www.groups.yahoo.com/ The LDE can be found under Sciences>Social Sciences>Psychology>Sleep and Dreams. o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Maslow's Map A New System of Dream Classification Chapter 4: The Hero's Journey ©1999 Linda Lane Magallón o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o (Psychologist Abraham Maslow created a scale of needs to describe the human condition, from basic existence to optimum potential. The scale can be used to take the temperature of your dreams.) Chapter 4: The Hero's Journey Somewhere above us, in elusive ether, Waits the fulfillment of our dearest dreams. Bayard Taylor There's a path up from the underground and headed for the heavens. We can hitch our hearts to our starlit desires and rise to become the heroes of our own lives. We can build dreams less violent and more growth-producing in which our latent talents are developed and appreciated. We can graduate from victim to victor of our lives. We can strengthen ourselves, encourage a new kind of emotional toughness and self-protection that yet honors the ability to connect in friendship with others. We can become self- actualized. Self-Actualization The process of self actualization means the development of existent or latent potential. But in determining self fulfillment, Maslow went far beyond what the average person considers excellent physical and mental health. He said, "The human being needs a framework of values, a philosophy of life, and religion or religion-surrogate to live by and understand by, in about the same sense he needs sunlight, calcium or love." Maslow's idea is close to what Carl Jung called "individuation" in which you become an individual self. Finding, recovering, integrating or growing your true self is the role of actualization. Jung's individuation process uses dreams in a series for proper interpretation. When dreams are linked, they begin to form a story. Rather than snapshots of a day in the life of the dreaming self, they become pieces of a larger movie film. To describe this ongoing life story, Jung used the term "Hero's Journey." The hero's journey displays the ups and downs, the unfolding of the inner self. It shows how we are restored to the path of self-actualization and development along the lines dictated by our inner nature. Self actualized dreams push back the inner horizon that defines the limits of who we are and what we can be. During such dreams, our dreaming selves are at the top of their form. Not bored or indifferent. Not struggling or turning tail. Exercised, harmonized, integrated into a balanced whole. Acting with a strong sense of purpose, with energies galvanized to the task at hand, a task fully invested with meaning. And, since acting is life, there is significance in the life in the dream. To perform as a fulfilled and complete individual brings exhilaration and joy. It's also great fun. However, the self-actualizing person knows that he can and must accept responsibility for his actions. So he is not immune to feelings like fear. But he does not ignore or repress or run away from them. He stands up to these feelings until they do not overwhelm and paralyze him. Maslow knew that human beings are not perfect. He said that self- actualized people "are *not* free of guilt, anxiety, sadness, self-castigation, internal strife and conflict" during their daily lives. He realized that even psychologists sometimes find it hard to distinguish between neurotic sources and honest response to true troubles. Between pseudo guilt and real guilt, for example. In addition, Maslow agreed with Victor Frankl and Rollo May that self-actualization is not just a yearning from within. It involves a calling to service in the day-to-day world. He was concerned about mystical or exotic experience divorced from ethics. He stressed the importance of moral behavior. And he knew the problems of being good or healthy in an imperfect culture. He realized that it takes a combination of inner autonomy and realistic appraisal of the outer life. Such a course was possible so long as the culture was tolerant of being detached from complete cultural identification, in order to stay healthy. It would be difficult in a society where Big Brother was watching to see if you goose-stepped to the same tune as everyone else. Vertical and Horizontal Development Maslow's scale is a hierarchy. His presumption is that our journey of growth and development is vertical, from base to peak. In order to make progress, you move step by step from the bottom to the top of the scale: 1. You have nightmares or mundane dreams. 2. You analyze your dreams and discover that the average dream (plateau of health) is at the Basic Needs level. 3. Your dreams perplex or disturb. 4. You do dreamwork at the base of the dream tree to interpret or resolve them. 5. You do dreamplay at the heights of the dream tree to induce extraordinary dreams. 6. They are creative and enjoyable, rather than disturbing. 7. They are clearer dreams, easier to interpret and understand. 8. Your plateau of health shifts upwards towards the Growth Needs level. I tend to agree with the idea of upward movement, but not totally. While overall progress might be made, each new type of challenge in the Hero's Journey can involve setbacks, great leaps forward or starting all over again. At it's best, the Hero's Journey is actually a zigzag path, a mandala, a spiral, a web we weave of our lives. It may be balanced, it may be loaded in one place or another. Dreams At the Base The dream tree, with base level, mid-range and growth level dreams is a measure of the psyche's health. A dreamer can dally in the treetops, the trunk or the roots of the dream tree. In each place, we can expand knowledge and experience of a particular dream symbol or type, such as having a series of dreams about the relationship with our family. I know an artist who dreams repeatedly about her lost sister, a legal assistant who induces dreams of going to the light and an architect who builds as many homes in his dreams as in his waking life. We can specialize according to our particular interests, challenges and assets. But that doesn't strike me as a very balanced or well-rounded approach, if one specializes too soon. I know a dreamer who never attempted to have a second lucid dream because her first one was boring. She only experienced lucidity at the mundane level of dreaming. I know a woman who is frightened of her psychic dreams, because they are dreams of death and disaster. She's been dreaming just basic, survival level psychic dreams. When I observe their dreams, it seems to me that people can get stuck in ruts. A person caught in the lower realms of the scale may be suffering a sort of dream poverty consciousness. At the level of trauma, the focus is on struggle and survival. I recall listening to the life story of a dreamer who had reach the edge of death not once, but three times. Each time she beat back the demon of disease. A great story of healing, was it not? I might have agreed, until she told me yet the third experience. By then, the tale sounded like a repeating nightmare. Furthermore, she had deliberately decided to become a healer. Was that her true calling, her mission, her destiny? Or was that all the life she ever knew? If you only have basic level needs, it's time to raise your ceiling of expectations and grow upwards towards the heights of inspiration and creativity. The Jonah Complex The opposite of the urge for actualization is the regressive, self-diminishing tendency. Many people choose the lower road rather than the higher. They choose to avoid truth, virtue, beauty. They choose to hide from their further development, like Jonah in the whale. What Maslow called the Jonah Complex more than a simple fear of success, though. It's an almost willful failure to develop full potential. Why? There are benefits from staying where you are. You don't have to work against the current, you can float round and round in the eddies of life. It's comfortable, or at least the discomfort is a known rather than an unknown element. The current situation seems to solve your troubles (whereas actually it does so only temporarily...it's just a coping measure). You fear that instead of going upwards, you'll go downwards, revealing not your best but your worst self. You enjoy the stimulus, the excitement that trauma and drama. You fear that moving on will mean you'll have to lose something crucial, like fun and enjoyment or meaning and significance. You're ignorant of the fact that those things can be attained on the other levels. And maybe even better. Certainly healthier. Mid Range Ruts In the mid ranges the rut can be a focus on the mundane, surface of things. Looking neither up to their potentials nor down to the roots of their problems, these folks have blinders on to their fuller life existence. They walk straight ahead, but don't dig deep nor launch to the heavens. Their dreams are mostly a rerun of daily events. If you only have mundane dreams, you may need to expand your repertoire to appreciate or incubate dreams at the extremes, for a wider understanding of the entire dream tree. By using personality tests, Maslow discovered that persons who tested sure of themselves (at the level of self-respect) could nevertheless be arrogant and smug (they hadn't achieved growth at the level of safety and security). He pointed out that "The person who is high in self-esteem and is also insecure is interested not so much in helped weaker people as in dominating and hurting them." He understood that it is possible to be satisfied at one level and still have weaknesses at a lower level that add up to an immature, unbalanced personality. Looky-Loos I have come across folks who ignore dream trauma and only record their mystical dreams. They drift ethereally as disembodied intellects or intuitionals, reporting bliss experiences without making reality checks. Their dream reports are like a happy face balloon, but never reaching the earth. Ungrounded in waking life, they are oblivious to underground influence. One such dreamer I knew never interpreted his dreams. They were humorous and complex, such an unlikely combination of things that he would sometimes wake up into another level of consciousness. It was as if his dreaming self were playing with ideas in the theater of all possibilities. But he dreamt of jumping from one leaf to another, leaves that were detached from any trees. His dreams reflected the fact that, in waking life, he used humor as a way of avoiding things. Humor was his protection from engaging in the deeper challenges of existence. He wasn't grounded in the realization that he had problems that needed resolution. Maslow described them as "multitudes of starry-eyed dilettantes - big talkers, great planners, tremendously enthusiastic" who disappear in a puff of smoke as soon as a little hard work is required. He called them "Looky-Loos." Maslow didn't agree with their "big bang" theory of personal transformation. He said, "It seems that they have in the back of their heads some notion of self-actualization as a kind of lightning stroke which will hit them on the head suddenly without their doing anything about it...they all seem to want to wait passively for it to happen without any effort on their part. Furthermore, (they) have tended unconsciously to define self-actualization in terms of getting rid of all inhibitions and controls in favor of complete spontaneity and impulsivity... (they have) no stubbornness, no persistence, no frustration tolerance." The Peak Experience At the top of Maslow's scale is the peak experience. Maslow discovered that self-actualizing people tend to have such experiences. Peak experiences are moments when the individual feels at his very best: moments of great awe, intense happiness, surprise or bliss. There is a sense of clarity, exhilaration and openness. A sense of fuller vision extending to apparently limitless horizons. An experiential sense of "Being." It might be an aesthetic perception, intense sensuality, a loving perception, a mystical experience, a creative moment, a flash of insight. The simplest version involves fascination, concentration or absorption in anything which is interesting enough to hold the attention completely, to detach from time and place and exist in the present moment. Some words to describe a positive peak experience are poignant, emotional, climactic, unifying and meaningful. They involve feelings of wonder, loss of fear, rapture or ecstasy. This state of consciousness contains more of what dreams are: visual, spatial, emotional, kinesthetic. Self-validation of such an intense phenomenon was not enough for Maslow, though. He believed that validity of the peak experience is measured by what happens to the person subsequently. It is possible for a great insight to be mistaken, the great love to disappear, the poem to be thrown away when read in the light of day. Checking, choosing, confirming and rejecting the fruits follow from the cornucopia experience. Not all products of the psyche are equally practical. Not all fruits are equally sweet. "Creation of a product that will stand up feels subjectively the same as the creation of a product that folds up later under cold, objective critical scrutiny," said Maslow. "The habitually creative person knows this well, expecting half of his great moments of insight not to work out." The dreamer who habitually pays attention to his dreams will discover that, whatever his dreams support–intuition, insight, cognition, psychic abilities– are never 100% accurate, because none of we humans are perfect. The peak experience tends to come at times of intense physical effort and mental concentration. William James called it the "mystic experience," Freud called it "the oceanic feeling." Athletes call it "the zone." Those athletes who can enter "the zone" most easily tend to be the best in their fields. They attain a state of being that allows them to be "in the moment." It frees them from performance anxiety, negative thoughts, fear of mistakes, inner criticism, harsh judgment and over-analysis that can lead to inferior results or defeat. However, the athletes do not achieve success without time and effort. In order to shift into automatic, the mind and body must learn the prerequisite performance elements, then practice, practice, practice to get them right. The trance-like state allows the mind and body to do what it has been trained to do. Peak experiences don't "just happen" to anyone. Even if they seem to be spontaneous, they "happen" to a mind, body and spirit that is capable of receiving them. In general, I'd call a peak experience dream, your favorite energetic type of dream, that is, the one with the most positive energy. If your favorite energetic type dream is one in which you sing, a peak experience would be one in which singing is effortless and pleasurable. A peak experience dream could be a more colorful dream, a dream with more pleasure, a dream with more tactile sensations. It's one in which the quality of your dream grows, visually, mentally, emotionally, aurally, kinesthetically. That's why it's referred to as "expanded consciousness." The special sense of reality and significance inherent in peak experience dreams is quite distinct from the simple knowledge that you are dreaming or have just had a dream. The dream means something, as is, just by itself. The felt meaning is expansive, not reductive. It is rich in significance, crammed to overflowing. Maslow denied any supernatural or theocratic connection with the peak experience. As a humanist, he insisted that they rise out of human nature itself. Nor did he believe that peak experiences meant spurning or repudiating or losing the individual self. Rather, the end products were the development of greater autonomy and the achievement of identity...a real sense of self. In peak experiences, the complete self is more fully present. These experiences seem more real because there is more of us to be present to them. The God experience and its spiritual cousins are common destinations for the Hero's Journey. Unfortunately, a royalist on this road tends to ignore and devalue the human experience. I've concluded that the path that travels the width and breadth of Maslow's Map is more holistic and mature than climbing a hierarchical stepladder. The Plateau Experience Towards the end of his life, Maslow developed the notion of Plateau Experience. He proposed that the true mark of a sage or self-actualized person is not just the presence of intense moments of joy or ecstasy. He finally understood that even people living at the basic level of existence can have peak experiences in their lifetimes. The great dream or insight can occur whatever your average level of consciousness. No one level has a unilateral claim to wisdom, enlightenment or practicality. Rather, he realized that a self-actualized person could live an extended period of serenity or vitality. Furthermore, these plateau experiences could be achieved through conscious, diligent effort. Maslow was developing exercises to help individuals attain the plateau state of consciousness. Many of them had to do with learning to perceive the world in a new way. Do your dreams bounce up and down, or do you tend to favor one end of the scale or another? Maybe you hug the middle ground, never reaching to the extremes. Consistent recording will reveal your plateau of life, as no single dream entry could ever do. This is why I strongly suggest you keep a dream journal, with all your dreams gathered in one place for review. In the end, self-actualization is not a momentary high. Our health is determined by how we live and dream on a regular basis. Bibliography *Hoffman, E. *The Right to be Human* (Los Angeles, CA: Jeremy P. Tarcher, 1988). *Maslow, A. H. *The Farther Reaches of Human Nature* (New York: Penguin Books, 1976). *Maslow, A. H. *Future Visions: The unpublished papers of Abraham Maslow/editor, Edward Hoffman* (Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage Publications, 1996). *Maslow, A. H. *Motivation and Personality* (New York: Harper & Row, 1970). *Maslow, A. H. *Towards a Psychology of Being,* (New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1968). o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o The Stable Intense Lights of Lucid Dreaming George Gillespie o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o The Stable Intense Lights of Lucid Dreaming The "lucidity" of lucid dreaming is usually intended to refer to the comparatively greater mental ability of the lucid dreamer over the ordinary dreamer or at least to the fact that in a lucid dream, the dreamer is lucid enough to know that he or she is dreaming (Gackenbach & Bosveld, 1989; Green, 1968; LaBerge, 1985). According to Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, "lucid" also means "suffused with light." As it happens, some lucid dreamers find that experiences of light are also an occasional characteristic of their lucid dreams. Lucid dream imagery is occasionally experienced as very bright (Gackenbach & Bosveld, 1989; Gillespie, 1987; Green, 1968). At times, light appears as part of a lucid dream scene, such as by appearing to come through a window, or by forming stars or a sun (Garfield, 1979; Gillespie, 1987; Kelzer, 1987; Sparrow, 1976). Light that plays a normal part in the scene remains integrated with the rest of dream imagery creating a simulation of waking perceptual experience. Normal light imagery moves across the visual field in coordination with dreamed head movement. In lucid dreams, there is another class of light phenomena that does not behave like ordinary perceptual experiences of light or like ordinary dream imagery. I call these phenomena "stable intense lights" (Gillespie, 1989, 1992) and have experienced them during lucid dreaming at least 35 times and possibly 41 times. I have not found elsewhere reports of such lights. There is no clear immediate cause of these lights, although often they appear within darkness after I lucidly close my (dreamed) eyes. Stable intense lights have been of five types: (a) a limited area of light of no identifiable form surrounded by normal dream imagery or by darkness; (b) a perfect disk of light surrounded by darkness; (c) an intense light on the periphery of vision with or without an accompanying visual scene; (d) a sunlike light; or (e) a visual field full of intense vibrant light normally including a sunlike light. This last one accompanies an intense religious feeling. The area of light and disk of light have the same surface appearance with their uniform whiteness and may be compared to the intense brightness of a high-wattage frosted white light bulb lit up in the dark. Peripheral light, the sunlike light, and the fullness of light have the vibrant intensity of the perceptual sun. I will give two examples: I dreamed (May 9, 1982) that I was walking at night with my wife, Charlotte. I explained to her that every night I leave the world and go to a different place. I became aware of an intense light that seemed to be in the left corner of my left eye. I knew I was dreaming and remembered that seeing such a light does not necessarily mean that I am waking up—as I used to believe. I said to Charlotte, to the effect, "This is a dream and I have to experiment. Excuse me a minute." Then I kissed her on the cheek and walked off to the right, to avoid the light. As I walked on, however, the light remained as though in the corner of my left eye. I could not turn away from it. As I walked, I could still see the darkened scene in the rest of the visual field. This was the peripheral form of light. In another dream (May 19, 1983), I was in a tailoring shop looking up at the walls and the high ceiling. I went into the air to look more closely. Then I realized from my being in the air that I was dreaming. I began spinning around and then noticed that there was a sun above. Soon there was a cluster of six or seven very bright sunlike lights. As I spun around in the air, all I saw were the suns with a confusion of rays and light filling the visual field. It was as though I floated in light. The suns remained in a fixed spatial relationship with each other in spite of my spinning and in a fixed location in front of my eyes. They did not change or move as I studied them. No matter what my movement may be within the dream, a stable intense light remains in a fixed, scannable location before me. I cannot put it out of sight. On two occasions, such a light remained visible after I awakened and I could continue to scan it. I found that the movement of my eyes upon awakening was in continuity with my eye movement while dreaming and that the image of light remained in a fixed location within the range of what I call the visual surface. The limits of the visual surface are determined by how far I can move my eyes without moving my head. As I dream, then, the light remains in a fixed position within the range of my eye movement. The light's location within the visual field is changed by my scanning eye movement, but not by my dreamed head or body movement. In the dreams in which I recorded stable intense lights, I always noted that I had to move my eyes to look toward them, not my head. The lights are thus in a fixed spatial relationship with my eyes and thus with my sleeping body, and not with anything in the dream. The lights are thus not integrated with other dreamed experience—neither with other visual imagery, if there is some, nor with kinesthetic experience. They do not play a part in the dream and often make no sense in the dream. The area of light often seems like a gap in the visual environment. Sometimes I understand the disk to be a moon, but it is often too large or too small to be a moon, and it always appears in front of me rather than up in the air. The sunlike light also is often the wrong size to play the part of a sun. Furthermore, unlike the usual perceptlike dream imagery, stable intense lights often appear outside the limits of the perceptual visual field. A stable intense light can appear where in everyday experience the structure of the face would block light from coming into the eyes. This is why peripheral light often seems to be in the far corner of my left eye rather than to my left. It is just a bit too far to the left to represent light that can normally reach my eye. A sunlike light has appeared to be above my eye rather than above my head, because it was slightly too high in the visual field to appear to be perceptually visible. And finally, the same type of stable intense light often appears in different dreams at the same scannable location within the visual surface. Peripheral light usually appears to the extreme left, as though in the left corner of my left eye. A stable sun has a tendency to appear very high slightly to the right. Areas of light tend to appear on the left side of the visual surface, but not near the periphery. In other words, certain areas of the scannable visual surface seem to be prone to certain kinds of light manifestations, regardless of what dream the light interrupts or appears in. Because these lights do not simulate perceptual experience and do not play a part in the dream, I consider them to be other than dream imagery. Since they are not dream imagery and I am still asleep, they are, in a sense, "dreamless" imagery. In Tibetan Buddhism, the subjective experiences of dreamless sleep are described in terms of light and darkness (rather than, say, in terms of body imagery) and are said to be achieved through meditation during lucid dreaming (Chang, 1963; Gyatso, 1982). The Tibetans, however, say nothing, at least that I have found, about the lights having a fixed scannable position within the range of one's eye movement. The fact that stable intense lights are unrelated to the dream imagery out of which they rise is consonant with the lucid dreamer's (at least in my case) gradual detachment from dream imagery. Normally, upon becoming lucid, I gain a sudden detached attitude toward the images and events that till then called for my attention. My lucid dreams also tend to become less busy, less complicated, and less demanding than my ordinary dreams, particularly when I become less active. When I stop to think or plan what to do, action within the visual scene also stops. I often end up in the air, and when I do, there is usually no longer any tactile or visual imagery. And imagery once gone does not tend to return. If I then direct my attention to the empty visual field, I will also begin to lose awareness of body imagery, and on two occasions I have lost all body experience. Not all of my lucid dreams become progressively free of imagery, but many do. And not all that do include stable intense lights. But when there are stable intense lights, their appearance always fits into the gradual decrease in dream imagery that has come about either spontaneously or through my action in the dream. My own observations of stable intense lights could use confirmation through precise observations by other lucid dreamers. Others may have observed what I call stable intense lights, but it is impossible to tell from any accounts that I have read whether any lights have in fact had a fixed location within the range of the movement of the eyes. References Chang, G. C. C. (Ed. and Trans.). (1963). Teachings of Tibetan yoga. Secaucus, NJ: Citadel Press. Gackenbach, J., & Bosveld, J. (1989). Control your dreams. New York: Harper & Row. Garfield, P. (1979). Pathway to ecstasy: The way of the dream mandala. New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston. Gillespie, G. (1987). Dream light: Categories of visual experience during lucid dreaming. Lucidity Letter, 6(1), 73-79. Gillespie, G. (1989). Lights and lattices and where they are seen. Perceptual and Motor Skills, 68, 487-504. Gillespie, G. (1992). Light in lucid dreams: A review. Dreaming, 2, 167-179. Green, C. E. (1968). Lucid dreams. Oxford, U. K.: Institute of Psychophysical Research. Gyatso, G. K. (1982). Clear light of bliss: Mahamudra in Vajrayana Buddhism. London: Wisdom. Kelzer, K. (1987). The sun and the shadow: My experiment with lucid dreaming. Virginia Beach, VA: A. R. E. LaBerge, S. (1985). Lucid dreaming. Los Angeles: Jeremy P. Tarcher. Sparrow, G. S. (1976). Lucid dreaming: Dawning of the clear light. Virginia Beach, VA: A. R. E. George Gillespie, M.A., B.D., was for twenty years a missionary in India. He has been a graduate student in Sanskrit and a member of the Lucidity Association Steering Committee. He writes on the phenomenology of hypnopompic, dream, mystical and perceptual visual experience. E-mail: geochar58@aol.com o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o Computer Dreams Digital Dreaming Series #8: DATA : Selected Dream entries from April 2001 to June 2001 and Uses of Computer Dreams as Personal and Cultural Meaning Maps. By Richard Catlett Wilkerson o|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|+|o As we begin dreaming more about computers and other digital machines, we dream less of other machines, and less of other objects. This study was started to look into what kinds of imagery that are being replaced, (horses and buggies, T.V. ect) what they are representing, and how computer imagery is functioning in and through our dreams. But there are also uses of computer dreams. Michael Vannoy Adams notes in the 1997 Clinical Social Work Journal that the computer as a metaphor shows up in dreams and in the clinical transference.(1) Many of the issues that the therapist might watch for in the transference and counter- transference appear in the paradigm of computers and computing, including computer instructors as the analyst, the frustration of learning computers as a way to explore the frustration of therapy, the inability to absorb new computer tasks as the inability assimilate new feelings or new consciousness in the analytic encounter. The relation to the computer as a whole can be a way to explore the patient's resistance to therapy as a whole or even one's attitude towards life. Adams sites a positive example: "…the patient mentioned that she had ordered a computer. The computer, she said, represented an investment in her future, a commitment to it. " (pg. 31). But the same patient reports that computers sometimes eat up her graphic projects and the instructor doesn't know why. Adams notes: "Although the patient is invested in and committed to the project, she is concerned about her psychic aptitude for it. The craziness of her computer frustrates her creative efforts to design images that would graphically depict her psychic reality. Neither she nor her instructor (by transference, her therapist) can explain why her computer is unable to retain or retrieve these images, which are devoured and swallowed, lost in some apparently inaccessible, digital dimension that functions remarkably like the unconscious. " (pg. 31) While Adam's main point is that we needn't buy into the psyche-as- computer metaphor to understand how the mind is using computers metaphorically, his examples open the door for therapists, dreamworkers and others interested in how the mind processes and works with digital objects to begin exploring the machinic phylum of metaphors. Patricia Garfield, Ph. D. has picked up on this notion of the importance of machines in dreams and included machines and how we relate to them in dreams as one of her 12 major sections of Universal Dreams. (2) Section 9 on Machine dreams includes not only a focus on "My Computer Won't Work" (pg. 202) but also delineates machine malfunctions into categories such as 9.2.1.1"Hardware Problems", 9.2.1.2 "Software Problems" and 9.2.1.3 "Internet or Virtual Reality Problems." As Garfield points out, while we can assign typical machine interpretations to these digital machines, such as poor connections equaling not connecting with the communication parts of life, (phone goes dead while talking to a boyfriend as there being some lack of connection in the relationship) she further notes that the digital metaphors are still open to being worked out by future researchers. Do dreams about hardware refer to our body, while dreams about software refer to the more malleable mind and habits? Or is it like Adams suggests, that the metaphorical map will have to be worked out for each individual? More than likely, both directions will yield maps that can be used in profound ways. Understanding the collective meanings for metaphors helps us to use them for communication between individuals and groups. We can talk to one another about large concepts, such as digital or virtual, by sharing a similar sentiment about the many meanings of these terms, but also the general underlying common understanding. These may be actual people and groups, or inner people and groups of our psyche. On the other hand, the development of metaphorical maps that are more personal allow us to align ourselves with new, emerging metaphors that can then be applied to either one's own life or shared in the development of culture in general. Both personal and collective maps merge in the research and interpretation of dreams. Citations 1. Adams, Michael Vannoy (1997). Metaphors in Psychoanalytic Theory and Therapy. Clinical Social Work Journal. 25(1), 27-39. 2. Garfield, Patricia (2001). The Universal Dream Key: The 12 Most Common Dream Themes Around the World. New York, NY: Cliff Street Books/Harper Collins. ----------------------------------------------------- Computer Dream Data from April 2001 to June 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = dreamt that my friend from 8th grade fell for me... we chat all the time... he typed "i love u"... and i felt the screen suck me in... ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = dreams are not reality ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = couple nights ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sitting in front of the computer looking at the screen and seeing flashes of bright yellow, orange and purple move across the screen. I was communicating with dead people who were using the computer as a means to communicate with me. In real life they are not dead. I was frustrated because 2 people were trying to send messages at the same time and I could only read one message at a time. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = multicoloured computer communications ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = this morning april 29, 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Nord ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = Last night I had a dream and in the end of it I was trying to find someone, using the computer. Strange massages kept coming up on the monitor and wierd icons and pictures too. I never did find the person, nor do I know who it was that I was looking for. All I know is it was a male who was in my dream earlier on. I am actually really frustrated by this dream, because I have no idea what was going on, really. But at any rate, the computer basically refused to help me find who I was looking for, and my sister appeared next, saying she wasn't going to tell me how to find him. Go figure... ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = The Paegan Ritual, Whiffleball Game and Deadend ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = last night ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Ladibug ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = Even though I use the puter every day for hours the only time puters are in my dreams is as a starting point for the dream. I'm sitting at the pc then something happens and the dream proper begins. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = PC as Starting Point ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = a lot ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = talking to a fax machine while typing on the computyer to my b\f ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = FAx machine ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = yesterday ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = hilary ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = i wake up and go to the computer.i get on Yahoo?! Chat i talk to my friend and we confess our love to each other the emotions were flowing and we were typing in different colors. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = net love ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = January 29 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream about being in the middle of a computer program. There was tons of code all around me and I couldn't get out. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = computer program ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = last week ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = i was awakened in a dream....and i tried to recollect what it was....it turned out to be that iw as dreaming about a man ( a friend really)who was sitting inside my mail box and talking to me when suddenly he was crushed as if u crush a paper and he was sucked into the screen....and as he went he waved saying bye bye... ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = friend in inbox ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = last saturday ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = beavis ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sitting in a gigantic room and Typing on the internet with a guy named Christian. We meet somewhere and instantly fell in love and got married. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Christian ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Febuary 7,2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = dreams related to faulty components network bottelnecks puzzeled connections of hubs and switches , a fatal error slow network trying to solve any problem ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = shiva's dreams ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = at night while sleeping ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I was completely alone. almost floating in a darkness, but, eventhough I was suspended without touching anything, me and everything around me was entirely motionless. (Even though it was dark, I could see silhouettes) Then a sudden glow, ir reminded me of electricity, the color, the sound, everything about it, except that it lingered longer than a spark or current would. I started to feel a surge of energy just (for lack of a better word) rip through me. It was, at first, a shock of pain, but then it just subsided into a tingling, not pleasant, but, in no way unbearable. (all this happened in a matter of seconds, but it was shocking detail. I never had dreams that i remember so well, so this seems like it had real significance.) When the pain subsided, I realized that my eyes were closed tight, to the point that the eyelids hurt. I opened them and saw the circuitry of a computer, exactly as you would picture it. I flowing slowly through the circuits, a part of the electrical current. There was a low humming, it sounded like the flow of power, but much more distant than if I were a part of it. The area directly surrounding me was contained in a hazy reality, completely silent. I didn't (emotionally) feel anything, but an acceptance, as if it were my fate to waste away at the finger tips of some chatroom obsessed, forty year old, three-hundred pound, pedophile. (yes, this is what I was thinking, although that was probably a conscious thought of myself more than of this apathy) I was swept out, into a large band of energy. It was a bright green, glowing, in streaks cluttering the entire area. There seemed to be a black background, making it feel like a tube/tunnel that I was flowing through. The color put me in the mind of the old computers, with only I could feel electricity (kinda like static on bedsheets) all around me, and I also felt a "wind" so I thought I was moving so quickly through this place. There was absolutely no sense of time passed, but soon I was floating, free of the flow in a "pool" of energy. The darkness burst away from itself, and what was left was bright, silver, gold, and pastel lights. The lights swam through, around each other, mixing, colors shifting, the radiance reflecting off of me as I was now more than a conscious existence. I had taken on human form; looked like myself now, fully clothed although I couldn't feel the normal weight of the t-shirt or loose jeans. I was standing, solid on the ground, because I remember the pressure on my legs. It felt as if gravity were twice the average. The area I was in was spherical in shape, an invisible floor, which I couldn't actually feel under my feet, cut the sphere in half. A dark spot fromed on the iridescent dome across from me and another person that I didn't know (again, for lack of a better word)materialized across from me. I can't remember anything of what she looked like, just that she had no distinguishable facial features, but clearly the figure of a woman I didn't know what I was saying, but I was talking to her. That was the first time I became aware of an "umbilical chord" of energy, the same glowing green from before, attached to my spine. She had her back to me, so I couldn't see if she had one, but more people were "materializing" in the sphere. Every one who's back was exposed to me had one. We were all talking, but no one seemed to care- no one spoke with any expression, no movement, no enthusiasm. It took me awhile to comprehend, but eventually, I caught a few words on my own. The ones who spoke most often used a lot of chat-room abbreviations in their speech. Was this what a chatroom was? ___________________ As soon as I had reached the realization, I drifted into a deeper sleep-didn't actually wake up, but just slept for awhile, and through another (unrelated) dream. I was supposed to remember that dream, but I have no idea why. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Chatroom Core ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = A friday night, nothing had happened unusual except for a deep sppiritual discussion online. ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Venerated Mendacity ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = i had a dream that mice and rabbits were coming out of the computer screen.Later babies came out of it by the hundreds.I made friends with one of the mice adn carried it everywhere.Than one moring i found one of the babies on my ironing board and i forgot all about the mouse. Later i found out that the baby who was on my ironing board was missing and i had to give it back so i lost in her in the grocery store instead/ ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = ironing board baby ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = MAY 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Mere ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = It's a short dream. or several dreams. When I first started taking graphic design courses on comuters, I would go home at night and dream small dreams of computers with colorful flowers growing out of them. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Flowering computers ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = three years ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = Dreamt I got sucked through my monitor and was actually in a chat room where everyone in there wore greet jump suits and carried torches with blue flames. They all came at me, and I ran to the corner and sat on the floor. All they wanted was to give me a torch, but as it turned out, as soon as I touched the torch, I suddenly had on a green jumpsuit too. The mother ship was on its way, and we all had to be prepared for that last final journey through cyber space. When the mother ship approached, it had a big sign on the back that said "AOL and Budwiser - goes good together" Imagine my surprise when the GoodYear Blimp flew over the chat room. By the way - chat rooms don't have ceilings it seems, at least not in my dreams. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Blue Torches and Budweiser ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Friday ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Guenevere ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream where I had sex with a robot. Not actually a robot, I guess, but a creature made of metal wire and painted knobs. In my dream, I was a virgin and I was with my friends in a room. They thought that I wasn't a virgin, though they all were, and I was being wild and talking about having sex. I think someone dared me, and then went to get someone for me to do it with. The creature was very nice and I seemed to know him. "He" was shaped like a ball, made of wires, with balls painted yellow, red, and blue as appendages. I saw that my own sexual organs were brightly colored. This creature had a wire coming out of its crotch with a red ball on the end of it , a penis. I sat on top of him and we were both pretty comfortable. He whispered to me,"Do you know how to do this?", and I replied,"No, Don't you?" Then we started and seemed to know by instinct. This part of the dream was very lucid. I actually felt everything, including the orgasm, which w! as very short. I remember at first worrying about whether I looked experienced to my friends, who were watching, but I eventually forgot about them. I never remember my dreams, but at the end of the orgasm in this dream, I woke up and remembered everything very clearly. It all seemed very real, and I was in a sweat when I woke up, though it was a cold night. I am very puzzled at the realness of this dream, and wonder at its meaning. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Robot Sex ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = may 11, 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = K ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream that a gigantic computer ate me while i was at work and then when my boss came looking for me the computer threw me up. While i was inside the computer it was dark and all i kept hearing was that dial up sound that the make....It was constantly making that sound. It was really weird. When my boss found me he asked me where i had been and why my computer was in the floor all i would tell him was i didn't know...I knew he would never believe that my computer had just eaten me. Then I woke up ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Little Cubical of Horrors ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Around ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = a computer virus came on my screen and my conputer blew up and killed me ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = computer viris ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 4 weeks ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = jocky48 ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = Before we moved to Ft. Lauderdale, while still living in Baltimore, I had several computer dreams though none were lucid nor lasting; mostly dealt with commonplace problem solving which I interpreted as being reflective of my newness in computer usage. I have not had these dreams recently; not that I have become more proficient with my computer; perhaps more familiar, less intimidated or frightened. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = i found a dog that looked exactly like mine only it mouth was that of a pug. then there was a younger lion(it was an amazing gold color; beautiful!) that had half of a main and he was standing in my dogs bed. it was a beautiful night and the garage door and front door was open. i remember beaing afraid of something, but i don't remember what, exactly. we got the look-alike dog from a stranger at the front door, he was nice. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Lion ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 2 or 3 nights ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = i found a dog that looked exactly like mine only it mouth was that of a pug. then there was a younger lion(it was an amizing gold color; beautiful!) that had half of a main and he was standing in my dogs bed. it was a beautiful night and the garage door and front door was open. i remember beaing afraid of something, but i don't remember what, exactly. we got the look-alike dog from a stranger at the front door, he was nice. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Lion ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 2 or 3 nights ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I'm chating to someone on line noone I know, or recall to chating to before I'm upset by this wake up feeling I have to get online right away and wake up talking to myself I'm in a hurry to get on line to see what's going on their like I'm missing out something lol ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Computer Friends ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = about three months ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I often have dreams involving people contacting over the internet using some form of Instant Messaging. I am sitting at a computer, it's not mine, but I recognize it. The people talking to me express great urgency, and the basic emotion I am feeling is that something has to be done right away. Though I rarely remember what the messages say, I always awake with the need to fulfill something. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Urgent Messages ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Many times, a few weeks ago is the most recent. ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Vacant ------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sitting at my computer chatting on chathouse (www2.chathouse.com/halloween). Like I always do. Having a conversation with a friend of mine who I have gotten to know somewhat well in the last 6 years. His name was Warlock. Another one of my named Rob came in and they both started to talk to me I got Frustrated cause I couldn't keep up With them in the room and started to log out when the screen being to type in java scrip instead of how it usually works click the button then the next screen comes up type of thing I didn't know what to do so I stayed logged in and then typed to Warlock and told him that my screen was doing something funny in his pm. He replied and said, what do you mean? I said, my screen is working in java scrip instead of what how it usually works. He said, Oh well I thought all of our computers we're working like that. I said, no no this is not right. He changed the topic on me and said, look behind you. I said, why? It's not like you are right behind me or anything. He said, *L* I know but look behind you anyway. I said, Oh right but I don't know why I'm doing this. I replied to him again and said there is nothing there ok so now can you help me out any? He said, you didn't look behind you now did you? I said, no like there is going to be anything behind me though scene you are so far away and and live in a different state across the country. He said, just look behind you already. When I looked behind me there was something outside that looked like fire from where I was at. I went to the window and looked out there was nothing but flames all over the place. There was a lot of houses on fire and heading towards my house. I went back to the computer really fast and said, Oh my got Scott there is fire all over the place here. Warlock replied, yes I know you may want to get out of there right now I think. I said, Yes I know what you mean. I started to log out but then paused. I sent another message to him and said, Waite how did you know there was a fire behind me? He replied to the first message and said I love you be careful. The he said cause I live right beside of you. I replied to him and said, I love you too but you don't live right beside of me. Warlock Said, yes I know but doesn't matter anymore always, now dose it? I felt someone's hand touch my back as I jumped and started to turn around I heard a voice saying what the computer had just wrote. The computer wrote don't turn around, you never know what is behind you. It could be a killer or it could be me. I started to wonder if I should turn around or not. The computer and the person behind me said I wouldn't move if I was you innless you are going to turn around to kiss me. I started to get freaked out as I started to turn around to see that there was a man who looked like Scott with a head set on talking in a mic holding on to my shoulder looking down at me. Warlock sent a message to me and said are you still there? I looked up at the guy behind me and said who are you? He said, Don't be scared I'm with the army I was sent here to take everyone out of this area. I didn't know what to say I started to get scared even more I grabbed a hold of his arm and flipped him I started to run out of the room as he grabbed a hold of me again but he didn't get me in time as some guy tripped me. I fell to the ground and felt like someone hand just punched me. There were some more army guys in my house and they all started to live after the guy behind me picked me up and started out the door. The guy who had his hand on my shoulder, who now had started to carry me out the door said, If you want to know what is going on Scott, otherwise known as Scott Picrce to us told us to get you out of here and take you to his house, before the fire got to wild. Sorry we have to do this but it's for your own good. He stuck me in the back of the army truck and they drove me off as I started to go to sleep. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = The computer nightmare ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Dec. 26, 1999 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = DreamerGina -------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamed that i was in need of a computer disk, so i traveled to france to visit the home of a family who my french teacher knew. The house was blue and white and there were many trees nearby. They were not pine trees, but other sorts. The house was one story, and I could speak perfect french. The family was a mother, who had reddish-brown hair and was wearing a blue and white striped t-shirt, and glasses. The father was older, and I cannot remember much about him. The daughter was named Pauline, and had lighter brown hair, and was about 7. The house had a wooden porch. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = French Disk Dream ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Early this morning (May 21, 2000) ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Garcon ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreamt that I pulled the delete key off of my keyboard and walked around my house deleting things. I stuck the key onto small household objects and pressed it to make them disappear. It was fun. I deleted some doors,chairs, vases, and also a big glass deleted the wall I lost my delete key and then I found a big plastic airplane and went flying around in it.. (end) ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = my spiffy delete key ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = about 5 years ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I KEEP HAVING A DREAM THAT MY BACK TEETH ARE FALLING OUT ONLY ON THE LEFT SIDE OF MY MOUTH. WHILE WORKING ON MY COMPUTER. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = LOOSE TEETH ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = LAST NIGHT AND AFEW TIMES BEFORE ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = CAT ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream once that I was talking online to my significant other. They are far away for right now. And I remember not being able to communicate clearly to them because my computer was so slow. And I kept missing messages and getting answers mixed up. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Online Mayheim ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = a year ago ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I often see in, a dream or hypnogogic state, information scrolling along the screen. Not much detail, more like a replay of waking time spent staring at the screen. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Scrolling ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = occasionally ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I am working on the computer using programms and future software. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = I'm working all the time ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = May 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = i controlled the "matrix" i read the anatimy of my own human body on a moniter shaped like a trilibyte/spiney creture i jumped inside a television and became its anatimy ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = life on file ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = augest 2000 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = marz ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sitting on the floor in my classroom under the desk while everyone else was above me sitting in their chairs paying attention to the instructor. I was in a heavy shadow from my point of view, I know for certain that the instructor was lecturing on trouble-shooting the hardware of the computer. I felt that one was aware or bothered at my being under the desk. I remember trying to pay attention to the instructors fuzzy voice. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = underneath the voice of the computer ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = november 00 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I've programmed a revolutionary new tool for object oriented programming which is basically a utility for converting pseudo code typed into the program directly into Java code in realtime. I am mostly impressed by the user interface, a dynamic and fluid animation of abstract graphical drawers. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Pseudo Code Programming ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 2/22/01 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = stash ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = In the near future, humanity has discarded the slow, data-blind biological body for the immortal photon-bodies of digitally conscious human being emulators. After the practice of connecting every newly manufactured object to the world-spanning information network became standard and after digital connections were at last made with the remaining "legacy matter" (including the human brain), cyberspace inevitably surpassed phyical reality in information density. In what was later called "The Six Minute Revolution", every paradigm in the human system suddenly shifted drastically to the left. I and my associates live on a virtual island in a virtual sea. We travel around a room by pointing in that direction. We travel around the planet by pointing in that direction. I remember a few melodramatic scenes: being trapped underground in the island with my friend and waiting for someone to free us. A man's son returns home after a long falling out in the family. When he suddenly appears from the sky, he and his brother get in a fistfight having not recognized each other. After some tense words with the father, the son introduces his wife and children. I beam myself elsewhere and find myself in front of a large museum-like building. I enter the dark interior. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Digital Domain ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 5/4/01 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = stash ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = Some dreams per month I play computer strategy games. Games like Age Of Empires or Red Alert but with totally fictionary world. With everyday life happenings vowen into them. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Game of Strategy ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Every month ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = theultimatenickname ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = June 8, 2001 A dream: It is night.I am sitting (in a street) ,on the ground and in front of the door of an educational institution.I have a briefcase and some kind of a labtop computer and I am searching on the Net…. Now I am in the building (in a corridore)sitting behind the door of a room which I know is a girls' class.I look at the screen and I see a list of newsgroups .Then they suggest me that I choose a name in order to start my own group.I choose the name " hopelessly confused" ,(I have no reason for choosing this strange name unless I have heard it recently in Walter Mondale's quotation : "If you are sure you understand everything that is going on ,you are hopelessly confused "). The class is over .Suddenly the door opens and the girls rush out of the class. I have to go away from my current location while I am trying to disconnect and turn off my computer.The briefcase in one hand,the computer in the other and trying to turn it off,I have a ridiculous position.Eventually,I succeed and I am relieved.I look up and I see girls and women smiling at me kindly as they go towards the exit door of the building.I am now trying to get out .A lady(about 40) says to me with a smile : " you go first,please." Embarrased,I refuse to go out through the door before she does. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = hopelessly confused ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = June 8,2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Ramteen ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I was sitting in front of my computer, about 8 months ago. And i told my now ex-girlfriend, on msn instant messenger, how i felt about her. I took my dream seriously, and for 7 months, i had the greatest time of my life because of that dream. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = My Love ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = August 2000 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = sLydE ---------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = One dream I can recall having was...this. I was sitting at work trying to get some items done that I hadn't been able to complete. I was under a big deadline and alot of stress. I kept seeing this project over and over during the night. There wasn't anyone around me. Just me sitting in my cube trying to complete my project. Needless to say I was very stressed waking up the next morning. But otherwise, I really don't dream about computers. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = job is never done!! ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = March 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I once had a nocturnal emmison where i was like, having sex with this chick online, only she was my computer, it sounds wierd, buit it was perfectly normal ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = PCWETDREAM ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Home ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I often dream of the possible moves in a checker game often played by me with the computer as my opponent. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Computer checkers ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Frequently during May, 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = Suddenly i was in the middle of a battle champ, an orchist song was playing in whole the ambient, y flow everywhere and was seeing a great battle between all the characters in a computer like the arrow mouse, or keys, or buttons, numbers, the prompt pf DOS, Duke Nukem, elves from Warcraft 2, dwavens from Blood & Magic, all the weapons of comand & Conquer, icons of windows, all pictures from the wallpapers. There wasn´t blood, just a too much dots leaving those characters when were klumped by an axe or cutted of by the half by a shoot. The caos was abrumator, the noise was so high. Everything was on vivid color no numbness or something like that, the keys and symbols was being diminished and a wave of their rests formed a great black sinuous mountain swallowing all and a quake shaked to me and again the noise. so I woke up. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = The battle ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = on March 24 from 1995 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Qazar ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I HAVE HAD A COUPLE DREAMS ABOUT BEING AT MY COMPUTER OR WITH PEOPLE I KNOW OFF THE INTERNET BUT THIS ONE I LIKED ALOT BECAUSE IT WAS SO CRAZY...i was talking to a couple friends on the internt i was at my house in my den where i normally was and it started when 5 dogs came chashing a cat through there nut i didnt pay any attention to it it was more like i was watching tv of me at a comp and all this other stuff going on there was a car driven through the wall and by the end of the dream the house was on fire thats how it ended like the fire took it away but i never once moved ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = NO I AM NOT ADDICTED TO THE COMPUTER!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = gosh maybe 8 months ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a dream that i was chatting on the computer with the guy i like, on MSN Messanger, and he didn't know who i was, the computer was the kind we have at my school, smaller monitor, the color of the typing was simple black and white, and i was in a corner ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = TMSN ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 06-17-01 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Sayasha ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = The first recollection of my dream that I have was waking up in my room. I felt awake, and everything seemed normal to me. So I went down to my computer such as I normally do every morning to check my email. I went down stairs, turned on my computer and then turned on my monitor. Everything was acting as if it was a normal day and nothing was wrong. Except for one thing my computer screen was only black. This disturbed me so I checked the connections with the computer to make sure everything was plugged in. Everything was, then I looked at the screen and in a blink of a eye the screen had the setting of my friends apartment. It was as if I was watching a DVD. It was quite peculiar to me so I sat their and watched the screen to see what was going on. All my friends were there and even I was their. We were all interacting with each other as we normally do. Yet, as things progressed people started to get angry with me. For things that I had said, or act! ions I had done. People were making signs on the walls of nates rooms of all the bad things that I had done in life to them and to my self. I started to get scared, yet I couldn't bring myself away from the computer screen. A girl that I really liked and who I thought was a good friend of mine was the worst towards me. She just couldn't handle the site of me being there. So she and her friends left. Leaving just four of my closest friends. We sat there and smoked cigarettes and talked, they tried comforting me,yet no words that they spoke made me feel any better. I managed to finally tear myself away from the computer screen and go back upstairs to bed. I fell to my bed and woke up. the strange thing is that most of the incidents that were described to me in my dream occurred two days later. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Premonitions form thy computer screen ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 2 weeks ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = The generation of radio waves, and various other magnetic or ultrasonic waves that, when manipulaed by the mind, manifested whatever the mind was focused on at the time. This new found ability in neurologic manipulation had made the computer hardward/software, and anything technological obsolete. Phones were not even needed, for the waves carried through telephone lines could now be manipulated through mere concentration. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = The Awakening ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = Recently ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I'm sitting in front of a computer, while in my little office cubicle, that has windows popping up everywhere and I'm not touching a thing. Then the computer violently crashes and a skull appears on the screen telling me my computer just died. The orange and black tiger-striped monitor suddenly fizzles and a stream of smoke comes out then it explodes in a ray of light and flying pieces of monitor. I panic thinking my boss is going to kill me and race out of work. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Work related ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = about once a week ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Tiger Rain ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I had a few "pre-dream" dreams where I would see a screen like my computer screen. The first one I recall having was of a little box popping up in the bottom right corner. One the MSN messenger I use, this signifies someone has logged in. I remember seeing the name very clearly, it was "AFFECTION AFFLICTION" in all caps exactly like that. the box said, "AFFECTION AFFLICTION has signed in". I thought it was very odd, mainly since I have never been able to actually *read* anything in my dreams at all. It didn't seem as though I was in the little snippet of the dream at all, it seemed as though my mind was the monitor. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = MSN messenger Screen name. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = In the midday. ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Puzzledmind ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I often have dreams that are game- related. The odd thing is that I have these dreams when I haven't played any games for a while. When I program a bit too much I would also have dreams in which I would program. A lot of the times I wake up with solutions for problems concerning the program that I was working on.One dream that I had I was in a multiplayer game and while I was playing I thought of going somewhere else. All of a sudden I was picked up and flew through the air. The next moment I entered my room and flew into my body and woke up. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = The game ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 28 June 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I play a MUD called Gemstone 3 online. Sometimes I would play all day withount sleeping. When I finaly got to bed, I would dream in text. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = TEXT DREAM ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = about 3 months ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = My boyfriend kept stealing my fax and copy machines. I couldn't get any work done. Everytime I would start to send or copy a page he would take them away. As soon as I would turn to get another page from the file I was working on, they would disappear. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Stolen Work ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = February 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Desolate Angel ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I dreampt that I was in the shopping center outside Earth Dreamer a shop that sells crystals and alternative clothes, and products, and I was talking to a friend of mine,(who is also my cousin and is on icq chat) but when we talked it came out typed in the air between us. Although it was weird to see it, my friend replied to me in the same way and it was like we where talking normally. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Type Talking ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = June, the 6th, 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Shadow Stalker ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = WEll, I stood in front of a computer. I was there and a 14 year old. A really good game or simulation was going on. I thought that the resolution of the screen was quite fine. First I though it was a commodore 64 but the resolution was too fine for that. On the screen I could slso see what was running at the moment. The possibilitues were c64,x128, s8 Finally, S8 was on. S8 must be an abbreviation of super 8. It was a very high quality simulation. So high that I was part of it. As if it were the reality itself, I was flying with a fighter. We were hit and we ended up in a dangerous , radioactive area. My father was also there and we together tilted radiactive containers. The fluid was coming on in the forest of pine trees. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = VirtualRealityMaker ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I keeo having dreams about problems ive been having with my computer and then in my dreams i get told how to fix them and it works thats happened more than once and its pretty trippy ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Dreaming Fixer ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 2001 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Jeramiah ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = More than once I have had dreams about computers. Nothing fancy, just ordinary gray ones. I am usually in a computer class, in a big room with other people and computers. So what always happens is: I'm working on the computer, and suddenly, it won't let me do anything. It has a mind of its own and only gives me a select few choices of what it will allow me to do. The screen is colorful, with blues are greens in solid colors. The screen is mostly colors with a few word, and maybe a few little pictures, and one or two windows that popped up. Now if this happened in real life, I would be scared half to death. But in my dreams, I'm not scared. I think it's a little strange, but don't think much of it. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Scary Computers ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = A month or two ago ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = yappy672 ---------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I've had many computer dreams, based mainly on computer games. I'm an avid computer gamer, and play Starcraft, BLack and White, Tribes 2,and will play very much Warcraft 3 and Neverwinter Nights, when they come out. In the star/warcraft dreams, usually when i goto sleep at 7 in the morning after playing the game (multiplayer or single) the whole night, I dream from the standpoint of the strategy game (eagles eye), and watch battles and attacks going through, never usually the process of building or mining resources. I've had starcraft dreams where i subconciously control the units moving in a direction, into battle, in where they cast spells and attack like they normally do. It feels like i am watching, but i know i control the people. i always am playing the race Terran (the humans), rather than the other races Zerg and Protoss, which i play a lot too. i am guessing because the terrans are a lot easier to relate to =/. The colors are dark, and seem related to earth colors, deep browns, greens, rich blues, and earthy metallic colors for the vehicles. it looks really like a mix of camo colors. The units are various that are moving, and most of the time are not too specific in my brain, but! they move fast and attack well, like each unit is controlling itself with nice AI (wish it was like that in the game), but it seems more like they are intelligent, and an actual force that controls itself. The battles end up usually with me conquering "them" who i dont know who they are, and that is all i can remember of those dreams. The emotive qualities of the dream i guess can be described as quick, methodical, practices feelings, like doing a process that u have repeatedly done, and now do not need to think of the work to do it, and can zoom past any competition. The battles are not confusing and hasty, as teh game can seem, but quick, and strong, like each unit is superpowered. I dont feel angry, or confused in these dreams, i feel more emotionless than anything. other dreams i have regarding computer games are ones from black and white, where u play a god, with the power to perform miracles, and the point is to gain belief from other villages and be the most powerful deity in the land. in the dreams, i have the power to cast the miracles, which makes me feel very powerful, very godly, and almost like a wizard. All i have to do to cast the miracle, one dream i made a fireball, is to think hard of the miracle, and then i automatically say the miracle, like "Miracle of Fire!" and then i can throw the fireball. In the dream i am a person, not a hand of a god (which u are in the game), but given a few powers. I've had two of those dreams, and both were very fun. The colors are not to particular in those dreams, but the emotions of emotions of power, and energy. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Starcraft and BnW ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = In my room, where my bed is on the floor. ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Amperice ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I was searching the web. Everywhere. This was as I was being diagnosed with MS and trying to learn what I could about my illness. I was trying to learn what treatment/alternative. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = Endless roads ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 1997 (about) ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Nola ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = Last night I had a dream that I was on icq (a chat thingy) and I didn't want someone to know I was online, and the mouse and window stuffed up and wouldn't let me go onto invisable. There was also a large black and white window on the screen. I felt frustrated, and mad. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = ICQ annoyance. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = 7/20/01 ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Grrrrrrrrrrrr ---------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers Computer Dream = I'am playing a game on my computer with my family called myst( i used to play with them all the time it was scary) when evry thing went dark and my family had dissapered and i was in the game and I didn't know what to do so I went to the top of the page and went into quit and I got out of the computer and i was back playing with my family.it was weird but when I was in the computer i felt at home even though i usuatly find the computer dificult and hard to use. in the game every thing was black and wight. ----------------------------------------------------- Dream Title = the game myst ----------------------------------------------------- Dream date = last year in febu ----------------------------------------------------- Dreamers name = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------- Other articles and dreams about computers and digital objects. Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (1999 August). Research Request: Computer's in Dreams : Pre and Post Internet Perceptions. Electric Dreams & Part I Pre-Net Electric Dreams 6(8). Retrieved October 30, 2000 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web: http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed- articles/richard_wilkerson_1999_aug_computers_in_dreams.htm Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 March). Digital Dreams: The changing (inter)face of dreams in the twenty-first century. Electric Dreams 7(3). Retrieved October 30, 2000 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web: http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed- articles/richard_wilkerson_2000_mar_computer-dreams1.htm Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 July). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams II : The changing (inter)face of dream texts. Electric Dreams 7(7). Retrieved October 30, 2000 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web: http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed- articles/richard_wilkerson_2000_july_computer-dreams2.htm Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2000 November). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams III :: The Digital Shift in Culture. Electric Dreams 7(11). Retrieved October 30, 2000 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web: http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed- articles/richard_wilkerson_2000_nov_computer-dreams3.htm Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 January). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams IV :: Dream Code and Decoded Flows. Electric Dreams 8(1). Retrieved December 31, 2000 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web: http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed- articles/richard_wilkerson_2001_jan_computer-dreams4.htm Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 May). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams V :: Emergence of Digital Imagery in Analog Dreamers. Electric Dreams 8(5). Retrieved May 1, 2001 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web: http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed- articles/richard_wilkerson_2001_may_computer-dreams5.htm Wilkerson, Richard Catlett (2001 June). Digital Dreaming Series: Computer Dreams VI :: Digital Dreaming: Emergence or Replacement Imagery? Electric Dreams 8(6). Retrieved July 7, 2001 from Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web: http://members.telocity.com/rcw666/ed- articles/richard_wilkerson_2001_june_computer-dreams6.htm <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Where is the Global Dreaming News? Now at the beginning of Electric Dreams! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ New Series begins with dream-flow@egroup.com Digest #1 09/29/2000 This issue includes volume # 399 - 420 Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams. This section is edited by Richard Wilkerson and the DreamEditor, a software creation of Harry Bosma, author of the Dream interpretation and journaling software "Alchera". (homepage: http://mythwell.com) Please note that we print these dreams as they come to us and that means we do not correct the spelling. Some dreamworkers find these spelling mistakes a great window on the dream and dreamer. The Electric Dreams DREAM SECTION includes dreams and comments from the DREAM FLOW, a project to circulate dreams in Cyberspace. Many mail lists participate, including dream-flow@lists.best.com dreamstream@topical.com DreamsRus@onelist.com The Dream Sack http//www.deeplistening.org/ione Usenet groups (too many to name, search DREAM) If you would like to send in single dreams for the flow, you can leave them at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple If you have a mail list or would like to contribute dreams and comments on a regular basis, you can subscribe to the dream-flow by sending an E-mail to TO: dream-flow-subscribe@egroups.com You may get a note back to verify the subscription. Simply hit the return or reply key and send the note back. An Archive of dream-flow is available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow@egroups.com/ Pre-November 2000: http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow@lists.best.com/ Pre-November 1998 http://www.mail-archive.com/ed-core@lists.best.com/ Pre-April 1990 Use Electric Dreams Backissues http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues ------------------------- BEGIN --------------------------- Here is a dream that got lost last month, sorry! - editor ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Two recent dreams DREAM FROM A COUPLE OF NIGHTS AGO Brannagh's Blackmail and a Weird Woman There's _never_ anything good on telly. And even when I do find something that might be worth watching, the signal on that channel is so poor that there's no sound. I keep on trying and eventually something that might be worth killing some time with. It's a musical, done in a mock-1920s style, but starring Kenneth Brannagh. Well, it's got curiosity value if nothing else, and at least there's some sound on this channel, even if it is a bit faint. It's possible that this film was _very_ loosely based on a Shakespearean play, since Brannagh is in his usual Tudor costume. The other characters on screen -- a man and a woman -- are both in more appropriate 1920s period clothes. They're all singing a song about being blackmailed. They finish the song and then leave the wood-panelled room. As they do so, another woman enters through the same door. This new woman has curly hair, while the first woman had straight hair. She is also wearing a longer, darker dress compared to the first woman's pale yellow sundress. She nods to them as they pass her, but no-one says anything. She is carrying a vinyl LP but instead of putting it on a record player, she leans it upright against a poster. There's a small button in the corner of the poster which she presses, and somehow the record starts playing. I don't understand how this is possible, until figures leap out from the poster into the room and start singing. Of course, it's just one of those fantasy sequences you always get in musicals like these. Some of the poster people are now life-size, while others remain a few inches tall. They're singing a rather threatening song in a foreign language. But the oman isn't worried, because she can read the subtitles at the bottom of the screen. That's more than I can do, since I'm now inside the film myself. (It's odd that I should have two dreams so close together, both with me entering something on television. And both dreams are about music, even though I'm almost tone deaf. Any ideas what this might mean?) I leave the room and go up a wide, sweeping staircase to find myself in a modern, 21st century university library! Kenneth Brannagh and the straight-haired woman are both there, but now I'm taking on the role of the other man from that opening sequence. We're walking in an intricate pattern around the library shelves while reciting beat poetry about Brannagh's blackmail problem. I'm new to all this, and accidentally walk up the wrong aisle, sending Brannagh off in the wrong direction, where he meets the University's accountant. (Phil's actually the accountant in a company I used to work for.) Phil explains that according to rule PQB, Brannagh was accidentally overcharged for his tuition fees and is entitled to a refund. (This is the first plain prose dialogue that anyone's spoken in the dream, although I don't notice it at the time.) While Brannagh is delighted at the thought of using the money to pay off his blackmailers, I wander down a different staircase, into the University's main corridor. (This is the last I see of him and his friends, so maybe I've walked out of the film as well?) The corridor is tiled in a dark blue/grey marble on the floor, walls and ceiling, giving it a gloomy feeling. Maybe the very pale wooden doors, like the door of the main lecture theatre ahead of me, were meant to offset that but they don't quite succeed. Possibly because the architects had set them all leading off the corridor at an angle instead of opening straight onto it? There's still plenty of time before my media studies lecture starts, and I don't feel like waiting around here, so I'll walk around a bit to refresh my memory of the layout of this place. (In real life I studied maths and computing at university, not media studies.) The passage leading to the administration wing is a lighter, brighter eggshell blue. Much more cheerful. Well, the administrators wouldn't authorise a gloomy decor for themselves, would they? The passage a short -- with only WCs on both sides -- before it ends in the door to the boardroom. I enter; luckily the board meeting has just finished. Everyone is milling around, preparing to leave. They don't notice me as I nip through the room and out the far side. Another eggshell blue corridor, this one running the length of the admin wing. Matching eggshell blue doors leading off on either side to offices and more WCs. I ignore them and keep on going. Turning to see the source of voices from behind me, I see a strange person approaching. She's biologically female, but her clothes and hairstyle are split down the middle. On the right-hand side, she's dressed like a woman, but her left-hand side is like a man: half a man's suit, short-back-and-sides, no makeup, etc. Her two halves are arguing with each other out loud. As she passes me, I can hear her prefix every comment with "(from David)" or "(from Kim)" so she knows which half said what. I stand there, puzzled, as she heads of into the distance, before continuing on my way. Soon, on my right, I see the university's coach park, where new students arrive by bus. A mini-shopping mall had grown up around it, complete with a Wimpy. (For those of you in the US, Wimpy is the real-life brand name of a popular UK chain of what you'd call diners.) Soon after that, the corridor ends in the middle of an open field! I turn round and head back towards the university buildings, this time following a different footpath through the field: one which takes me past the other side of the Wimpy. The male/female woman is there again. Some people have just come out of the Wimpy and are teasing her. Apparently, she's the university's cleaner. They call her "Miss Gay," but I'm not sure if that's her surname or just an insult. Their taunts encourage her female half to finally win the argument. "Yes, I _AM_ a woman!" she yells, falling to her knees. She rips off her special m/f clothes, revealing a slip underneath. Strangely, this act has also made her fat and ugly. It's only now that I realise how attractive she'd been when she was ambiguous. I wait around a bit, hoping to see if anything else happens. It doesn't so I hurry along the path, towards the side door to the University. The delay might have made me late for the lecture. My employers are allowing me to take day release from work to attend this media studies course, and they'd be very angry if they knew I was wasting time watching stuff like this instead of studying. Besides, there's a good chance this lecture might be about some of my favourite TV shows. >From the outside, the university is a Victorian brick building. A slight mist is starting to form, but I can still see the pond in the grounds. Nearby, the caretaker is fixing some iron railings. I want to ask him the time, but I remember that one of the caretakers is really an evil space alien, and I don't know if it's this one. While I'm deciding whether to approach him, I wake up. (Again, like the earlier dream, it ends with me wondering if a man is really somebody evil or treacherous in disguise. Any suggestions?) ___________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 399 ____________________________________________________________ There are 4 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Death in a Subway??? From: Anonymous 2. The Question From: Anonymous 3. Lost Friend From: Anonymous 4. Re: [dream-flow) 2/24 dreams From: Heratheta ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:03:25 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Death in a Subway??? dream_title: Death in a Subway??? dream_date: 02/24/02 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: First, I start out in a car with these old people that i don't even know. I guess they are running from someone or something. Then I turn around and there is a HUGE truck chasing the car! Then all of a sudden, my car stops to pick up like 5 more kids. The next thing i know, I'm in a sewer, because that's the only place there is to hide from these guys. The subway is like one big circle so there is NO place to hide! The 5 other kids and me hide in a office and are chased out by some really fat guy with a sword. So I run in the wrong direction. This guy with a black outfit comes over looks ate me funny and then stabs me with a knife in my heart. I literally lay in my bed like i'm dead and then all of a sudden i'm awake. Please, I need to know what this all means! dream_comments: I have no idea what this is about! I would really like to know the meaning of the dream, even if you don't publish it. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:04:53 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: The Question dream_title: The Question dream_date: 01/03/02 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: I was in school and I was with my friends, teacher, my admirer, and his friends. We were helping our teacher after school, my admirer had his friends come to me and tell me that he liked me and that he wanted to go out with me. I said " Well if he wants to go out with me so much then why doesn't he come and tell me himself?" They told him, and the next thing i know, I turn around and hes right there giving me a note saying " ( my name ) I'm sorry that I didn't tell you that I liked you myself. i as afriand that you were going to get freaked and never talk to me again. So I was wondering if you want to go out just as friends and talk about this. Well tell me if you want to come or not. ( his name ) " When he comes to get the answer, I'm about to tell him and then.... I wake up. dream_comments: I think this dream is trying to tell me if I should go out with him or not. A week before, he had his friends tell me that he liked me and that he wanted to go out with me. I have a book and its title is " Remembering your dreams " by Craig Hamilton-Parker. It's very interesting and I'm reading it alot. it says that sometimes dreams are trying to solve problems that you are having, and this is one of my problems. Well, I was wondering if you could write me back telling me what you think about this. if you can't than I won't be mad I would just thank you for using your time just to read this. Thank you. Cpatriots2002 ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:03:58 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Lost Friend dream_title: Lost Friend dream_date: February 23, 2002 dreamer_name: scdog112 dream_text: I was on a vacation somewhere, and I was in an expensive hotel, I left my room and started walking around the hotel in my underwear, and I heard footsteps following me. I turned and it was one of my middle school classmates that I had an attraction on at one time, and he said "I lied, I really do like you, lets go back to my place" I was like O.K. I went back to my room and then realized that I had locked myself out, went to get a key to get back into the room, I dont know why but someone started chasing me, and I didn't get the key to the room until the end of the dream and then my mystery friend was nowhere to be found. dream_comments: I would like all responses to this dream to be emailed to slmccray@hotmail.com ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:22:34 EST From: Heratheta Subject: Re: [dream-flow) 2/24 dreams see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 400 ____________________________________________________________ There are 4 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Fwd: FW:To My Child(AOL is tracking this)Long but PLEASE read From: LOSTKRAFT 2. animals From: Anonymous 3. About my Mother From: Anonymous 4. The Death of Me From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:52:43 EST From: LOSTKRAFT Subject: Fwd: FW:To My Child(AOL is tracking this)Long but PLEASE read ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:03:44 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: animals dream_title: animals dream_date: 02/25/2002 dreamer_name: madison dream_text: I dreamed I heard kittens I went to the door a mama cat had 3 kittens then I seen a big black bear,a lot of people were in my yard the bear started running and people were falling all over my yard,then a woman on a horse came riding up,and she and the horse fell .Then the bear came back and I woke up. dream_comments: What in the heck could this mean? ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:23:07 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: About my Mother dream_title: About my Mother dream_date: February 20th and 23rd dreamer_name: Mama's girl dream_text: My mother is missing, it has been two or three months since I have heard from her. Others (not defined) are helping me search for her. I am determined and very tenacious ( but in a panic)to find out where she is. Most of it takes place at my childhood home and her last home. I finally find my mother at some kind of an institution where she is undergoing treatment for weight loss. She is sort of out of it and doesn't want to come with me. I am determined to get her out - no definitive ending. My second dream - I am at my childhood home. My mother is not herself. She has announced there will be no more family functions at her home and that she will be going awa for the holidays. I scream and cry all to no avail. She is not like my mother. She is cool and detached. There are others around, but again, undefined. There is no other outcome. Both these dreams are like nightmares for me. dream_comments: My mother has been dead for 20 years. We were very close and I frequently dream about her or about the home I was raised in. They are normally not disturbing in nature just nostalgic. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:01:02 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: The Death of Me dream_title: The Death of Me dream_date: 02-23-02 dreamer_name: Isis dream_text: I'm not sure where I was in the dream as far as a location. All I remember is this blue haze that surrounded me where ever I turned. Then I saw myself (in an out of body experience) except I had the body of an angel with my face, and in my face I saw such extreme hatred. Now the angel was surrounded by this white light like it was her aura. It looked like me, but at the same time it didn't. Standing next to the angel was another me. This was a normal me, except my image was dull, almost see through. Lacking any kind of aura. And in one fatal blow the angel killed the other me by reaching her hand through my chest and stopping my heart from beating. There was no blood. It wasn't gory in any way. dream_comments: I woke up instantly gasping for air as if I hadn't been breathing. It shook me up pretty bad. I couldn't go back to sleep after that. Could someone please contact me with any information as to what this dream may have meant? ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 402 ____________________________________________________________ There are 5 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. a left turn in hyperspace From: stan kulikowski ii 2. NO PAIN From: Anonymous 3. The Book From: Anonymous 4. stomach poems From: Anonymous 5. biking on the highway-a nightmare From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:06:33 -0800 From: stan kulikowski ii Subject: a left turn in hyperspace DATE : 27 feb 2002 10:06 DREAM : a left turn in hyperspace =( last night was a tuesday, i taught my evening classes and got home around 21:30. i fixed myself a late dinner and just vegged. i went to bed around midnight, but had some trouble getting to sleep until around 02:00. i was tired and sleepy, but my left shoulder has some injury which seems to be getting worse to the point that it is difficult to sleep when i turn onto my left side. it does not seem to hurt much during the day when i am up, but produces a sharp shoulder pain when i lay down. i do not recall a specific event that hurt this shoulder so it worries me that it is getting worse over the last two weeks. )= NASA engineering task force johnson space center houston, texas, USA, earth the physical mechanisms of hyperspace transfer by which our interstellar spacecraft achieve faster than light velocities have been well studied and documented. the usual process involves many metric tons of mass accelerating to near light speed by conventional propulsion then opening the dimensional barrier for sustained acceleration and navigation through interstitial space. this results in the conveyance of the craft across light year distances when the barrier is finally breached again during deceleration. what is less well known, however, is the use of this technology on small scale, say a dozen kilograms of mass for distances of several thousand kilometers or less. the goal is to develop hyperspatial transfer for planetary transport, perhaps even local city transit through a series of fixed portal mechanisms. for smaller masses the amount of acceleration needed for the prebarrier breach is considerably less than light speed, and there is no propulsion or navigation during the warp phase of travel, deceleration begins immediately upon achieving warp so the resultant distances upon dimensional recovery is within the desired local range. the problem of warp navigation is solved by a fixed receiving portal weakening the dimensional barrier at precisely the time when warp deceleration is becoming critical for the energy mass intransit, so it is sucked from hyperspace into desired destination. this means that only one such portal must be timed relative to the launch portal, but the required interval is within picoseconds and so dozens of transports per second can be achieved with accurate enough synchronization. there is no known manner to multiplex simultaneous passive transfers. technical difficulties with short range hyperspatial transfer seemed minimal. inorganic matter tested identical in pre and post transfer. organic matter, vegetation and animal studies also showed no measurable difference either quantity or quality. the first human transfers seemed successful but there has recently been some questions about the results after several hundred human tests. the first subject to report difficulty was after human test number 217. the clinical subject was female, 36 years old, 45.8 kilograms, 1.7 meters tall and was transported 4006 kilometers. all recorded features of her mass, chemistry and biologic construction measured identical in received state. the signatory anomaly was that she claimed her name was 'bitsy' while everyone before knew her as 'betsy'. she maintained that 'bitsy' was the name her parents christened her, but her family and all historic records deny this. no evidence has persuaded or changed her claim. after the 'bitsy' case, detailed psychological studies have discovered statistically significant anomalies in about half of the 216 subjects before her. of the 164 adult married subjects, more than half have reported difficulties with their spouse that did not seem evident before transfer. of the 18 children less than 13 years of age, 12 of them have experienced problems in schooling, usually changes in friendships or peer relations. there have even been a few alterations of conditioned behaviors in the animal subjects that have been noted. no one thought that psychological factors might be altered if the physical, chemical and biologic foundations were measurably intact. these anomalies involve nanometer alterations of the nervous tissue but in a systematic reorganization of the entire organism. memory engrams that are randomly lost in normal brain operation are usually regenerated or at least patched over in sleep during dream rehearsal of knowledge structure. there is no known mechanism by which systemic reorganization on the level of social memory can be altered. the holographic dispersal of memory engrams are sufficiently generalized that many thousands of bits in subengrams must be simultaneously altered in exactly the coherent retrieval pattern to change any social level response mechanism. billions of register bits must be transformed to change a person's remembered name identity from 'betsy' to 'bitsy'. the current hypothesis for these phenomena must include the probability that the people we are putting into short range hyperspatial transfer are not always the same people we are getting out. we can adjust for the minor relativistic differences in the operational timing of the short range portals within the parameters of our universe. the problem may be in the structure of the multiverse beyond our dimension. this may be the first factual data observations of alternate universes. the theory of probabilistic parallelism of the fifth dimension requires the systematic existence of universes running parallel to ours with only minimal differences which keep them distinct. hyperspace transfer uses the interstitial zones between dimensions to warp spacetime. in short range transfer we assume that only one energy mass is transient within relativistic ranges, but we have no way of assuring that a universe parallel to ours is not using the same interstitial zone at the same instant. indeed, probabilistic parallelism virtually guarantees us that there are other universes attempting the same process. why this problem does not seem to occur in our interstellar spacecraft is unknown, but it may involve the operation of active navigation within hyperspace and self-initiated interior barrier disruption for spatial reentry that could serve to keep nearly identical entry masses distinct. =( i awoke with this content in mind around 08:30 but went back to sleep for another dream cycle which did not produce any content that altered my memory of this. this is a rather rare type of dream for me in which i spend what seems to be the entire night thinking about some problem and composing a detailed report on it. i suspect that the pain in my shoulder may have kept me from entering normal deep sleep for regular dreaming. this is not a very visual form of dreaming with events and persons like normal, but it is more like sleep thinking. at some point i did actually see 'bitsy' come out of a hyperspace portal, but that was the only actual dream fragment while the rest of the night was thinking and rethinking the problem of her name change and other data that would go into the report i was trying to write all night. the numbers in this written description of the dream are not very exact to what they were during my sleep, but they had some similar precise value at the time. i just can not remember exactly what their value was, so i make up something similar when i write this. they had some fixed and exact value like these during dreamtime. the names 'bitsy' and 'betsy' were exactly those, as i puzzled over them again and again during the night before i finally came up with the multiverse hypothesis for the phoneme change. usually my dreams are like stories of things which happen to me, and it is easy to write down what i remember. once in a while i have dreams which happen to someone else where i just watch the events unfold. i do not know what to make of report like, sleep thinking which have neither events nor plot. it seems to be related to dreaming but somehow a different sort of mental activity while asleep, maybe not dreaming at all. )= ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:58:36 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: NO PAIN dream_title: NO PAIN dream_date: Wednesday 27th February 2002 dreamer_name: Toslover dream_text: I am lying in a dentist chair....There is no one in the room with me. Then all of a sudden a women comes towards me with an instrument that is NOT used in dentistry and starts to pull my teeth out. This is when I notice that I have already had a number of teeth pulled out. They have been surgically removed and my gums are stitched up. I am looking around nervously, but she is the only person in the room. I feel no pain even though I haven't had any anaesthetic! dream_comments: I work at a dentist and have had for 4 years. I have had treatment before but no extractions. I don't know where this came from! I have never worked for a female dentist. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:35:38 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: The Book dream_title: The Book dream_date: February 25, 2002 dreamer_name: Jimbob dream_text: I dreamed about a female friend of mine. She was standing in a dark room - black walls, black floor, black chair. There was a bonfire off to the side. There was a book with a black cover but I couldn't read the title of it, and it had really white pages. I came into the room and sat down in the chair. She didn't see me, so she went to sit and thus sat on my lap. She kept reaching for the book, but I kept stopping her - I don't know if it was because I thought it was dangerous; I just didn't want her to get it. The more she reached, the more she seemed to melt into me. Also, my friend was naked. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:36:07 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: stomach poems dream_title: stomach poems dream_date: ~ feb 10, 2002 dreamer_name: emmanuelle dream_text: i had this dream not too long ago where i was in a giant, open plaza, a meeting place of some sort...the emotions in the dream weren't particurely one way or the other, just calm and collected, although i had a lot of energy, focus on what i was doing...i felt like i was on some sort of voyage though, i was a messenger of some sort, with something important to tell someone...in the dream, my stomach was a lot more flat, my body a different shape, i looked behind me to make sure no one was watching (apparently this message was to be delivered in secrecy, that's why i had to write it where i did) and i lifted up my shirt just a little bit.. took a marker out of my pocket, and wrote "i saw the best minds of my generation, destroyed by madness" (the first line of allen ginsburg's poem "howl") on my stomach, and ran off to deliver this message to others.. i have yet to figure out what this dream symbolizes. dream_comments: you have permission to publish my email address as emmanuelle42@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:02:36 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: biking on the highway-a nightmare dream_title: biking on the highway-a nightmare dream_date: not recorded dreamer_name: Dreamer in the Dark of Dreams dream_text: there was a flash of white light and I found myself bicycling on a highway with some complete strangers.5-7 of them. They were wearing leather jackets. When I was looking along the sides of the road, I saw a man who was about 6ft.(it was the closest I could figure) and was wearing a black tie,suit,and pants and neat black hair.He was making some kind of hand signals(not sign language)and then he just disintegrated.A few seconds later, the metal side railings started prying themselves apart.I then felt an unstoppable force pushing and shoving me into the gap. I then fell off the edge and onto the ground some hundred feet above the ground. Then everything started to go slower, even my falling.All of that height, I was falling slowly,so that I was stricken with terror as I fell onto the grassy hills,Knowing that I was going to die... dream_comments: This dream was different from any other dream I have had. I lost my sense of control from the start and every thing was in a mental fog. This dream haunted me for days. If possible, please E-mail me at **************. Also, if my dream is published, please exclude my E-mail address. Thank you Dreamer in the dark of Dreams ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 403 ____________________________________________________________ There are 4 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. War Planes From: Anonymous 2. Camping From: Anonymous 3. Re:3/1 dreams From: Heratheta 4. Re: About my Mother From: "avram cristi" which I was walking along. > It seemed like a huge carpet made of water. Suddenly > a long and green liane > jumped out of the sea in front of me and went right > into the sky. I hoped > to find a way out and started climbing upwards. I > climbed and climbed > without seeing an end. But in spite of it I kept on > climbing and finally I > saw something like an end, but at the same moment > the liane turned into a > gigantic snake, which started chocking me. > > ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. bread From: Anonymous 2. The Sky Is Falling From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:21:22 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: bread dream_title: bread dream_date: 3/7/02 dreamer_name: amy dream_text: i had a dream last night that i went back in the woods....well these guys were throwing bread at me and i didnt know why and i was running and no bread ever hit me. while these guys were throwing bread ta me i saw my ex-boyfriend who i still love, and his best friend sitting in the crowd...but i dont know if they seen me. what does this dream mean? dream_comments: i dont really remember whereb the dream was but i know we went down in the woods. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:56:05 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: The Sky Is Falling dream_title: The Sky Is Falling dream_date: 3-3-02 dreamer_name: Lisa dream_text: I dreamed that me and one of my children were standing on a back porch of a house that is unknown to me watching a storm blow in. After a few minutes the clouds started falling down on us. In small pieces at first then the whole cloud started coming down and i told her that we needed to go inside. We went in and I started making sure that everyone was safe when realized that my boyfriend(I think it was him) and my sister were outside the front of the house. I ran out to tell them to come in and my sister was laying on the ground. I asked what had happened and he told me that she had gotten in a car wreck and died but I knew that she had not left the house. He said that she had got into the car and backed into something and she was dead. I picked her up and we all went into the house right as the storm clouds were falling on the front of the house then I woke up. dream_comments: Please use my real e-mail (email not given) ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 409 ____________________________________________________________ There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Amy's Bread From: "P Ingerson" wrote: > Hi all - > I'll do an Online Dream Telepathy Contest this Saturday night- Sunday > morning, March 9-10, 2002. This contest will work similarly to those > held annually at ASD Conferences. Ed, I would have liked to have participated in this activity. However, this was posted in the dream-flow group at 9:06 PM on 3/9/02, and I had no way of knowing that it was going on until Sunday morning, when I picked up my e-mail. While telepathic attempts/contacts can theoretically be done without the subject's conscious awareness, and therefore all dreams had for the night by those who read your note are potential candidates and possible "winners", I should think that if all parties had sufficient time to prepare, including recipients having the opportunity to make the conscious effort to remember/record their dreams for the night, you might have more material to work with, and possibly a greater quantity of positive results. What a long-winded, run-on sentence THAT turned out to be . However, I think I got the point across. How about a wee bit more warning next time, say 1-2 days? Now, if this message was actually started in circulation 1-2 days prior, then I apologize. If not, then please consider my suggestion for future contests. Lauren ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 411 ____________________________________________________________ There are 5 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. 2 nites prior to 911 From: Anonymous 2. warning of danger to come From: Anonymous 3. going bald From: Anonymous 4. slave house From: Anonymous 5. Re: Digest Number 410 From: "P Ingerson" tearin my body away from the one i ran back up the hill .the dream ended !the next day while movin large round plate .i had to run to bath room .when i returned a man who was workin with us was layin on ground screamin ,the guys had rigged it wrong and several tons of steal had fell rolled around and {hurt him}i was un injured ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:09:45 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: going bald dream_title: going bald dream_date: 2-12-02 dreamer_name: Moose dream_text: I look in the mirror and realize that I have a two long bald spots started from my temples to the crown of my head. I think at first that it must stress, and I should eat better, and then realize that it has been this way for some time, and the hair is not going to grow back. I am embarrassed, and unhappy about it. dream_comments: I am a female, and am not losing my hair, so this dream was not representative of my waking self. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:26:48 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: slave house dream_title: slave house dream_date: march 10 dreamer_name: phlanger orbyoma dream_text: im an african slave in a house in the country im alone,everyone is gone,i keep hearing noises that scare me and i go threw a serious of doors but dont end up anywhere,just go threw a loop of doors.im thinking of these 'special tattos' i have that were invented in america but very few people have them. going threw doors im frightened still and objects are in places they shouldnt be,i come to a table with a box on it,the box has a drawer with a handle on it,i open it,look inside and im even more frightened,i run out of the house and head for the town,and think while walking 'why did i have to open that drawer?!?!!?' dream_comments: this dream was very vivid,real feeling,like an astral projection,yet im a white male,in the dream i was an african female,ive lived in the country before,years and years ago,im not sure what to make of the drawer box,series of doors really. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:06:08 -0000 From: "P Ingerson" dream_text: someone had a dream that my 2 year old > child died. what does > that mean, she is a close friend who adroes my > child... why? > ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ There are 5 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Hyundai Taliban From: Anonymous 2. Hedgehog From: Anonymous 3. Redreams for `1/13: see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ From: Heratheta 4. Flying unicorn From: Anonymous 5. strange From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:38:41 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Hyundai Taliban dream_title: Hyundai Taliban dream_date: 03/11/02 dreamer_name: lipsparklers18 dream_text: For the past few nights I have been dreaming that I bought a new car, but the car is not new. The car has an appearance of an old Granada. In this dream there is always a key. I have one and some anonymous person has a copy. This key is tiny and could not possibly fit in an ignition. The car was called a Hyundai Taliban. Only the first dream included the actual car. The other dreams included the key and trying to obtain the car. What does all of this mean? ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:39:02 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Hedgehog dream_title: Hedgehog dream_date: 03/12/02 dreamer_name: lipsparklers18 dream_text: Last night I drempt that my boyfriend and i were Grocery shopping. We split up to do our shopping. In this dream I lost my keys. i searched frantically around the store. I asked everyone if they had seen my keys. Then I found my boyfriend who waved at me and said, "I found your keys." It was a hoax. He had not found them. THis is where the dream turns odd. He turned into a tiny hedgehog. He began to chase me around the store. Others watched in amusement. My clothing had changed at this point in the dream. I was wearing short shorts and a tube top. Then I was in Home Depot. I was looking for the HR manager so that I could work there. I could not find her. When I did, i was upset that she was going out to lunch and could not see me. What does all this mean? ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:53:28 EST From: Heratheta Subject: Redreams for `1/13: see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ cd interview in limbo on the above subject. pray for peace. promised this month. but pending. a ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:20:05 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Flying unicorn dream_title: Flying unicorn dream_date: 03/11/02 dreamer_name: solarangel dream_text: This is my daughter's dream. There was a large unicorn flying in the sky at her father's house. There was another unicorn running on the ground. No other information was given. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:54:37 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: strange dream_title: strange dream_date: 03/13/02 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: I was putting my socks on and a girl told me to put them inside out, so I went on and put my socks on inside out. dream_comments: I think she told it was for a good reason ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 415 ____________________________________________________________ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Caterpillars on feet From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:07:52 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Caterpillars on feet dream_title: Caterpillars on feet dream_date: March 12, 2002 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: I dreamt that I had on the soles of my feet growths that were comprised of skin and blood yet they resembled caterpillars. I thought, "how am I to walk with these growths on my feet? Can I cut them off, without bleeding to death?" dream_comments: I can't figure the significance of this dream, except it seems like I'm having a tough time discarding something? Even if it's not necessarily something I want? ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 416 ____________________________________________________________ There are 9 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. His Last Phone Call From: Anonymous 2. Hottie From: Anonymous 3. Teeth...bad dream From: Anonymous 4. flying above sea or land with my lover From: Anonymous 5. White to Red From: Anonymous 6. Tidle Wave From: Anonymous 7. Rahatsiz Guy From: Anonymous 8. my x From: Anonymous 9. cheating From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:50:20 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: His Last Phone Call dream_title: His Last Phone Call dream_date: January 2002 dreamer_name: Misty dream_text: I'm at my mother's house and the phone rings. When I pick it up, it's my dad. He asks how I'm doing and we talk a little. Then he says, "Oh yeah, today is your lucky day. Today you are going to join me." I said, "what do you mean"? and he replies, "Don't worry about it, just look out for the figure 8"....then i woke up. dream_comments: My dad died of cancer in December of 2000. ever since then he visits me once in awhile in my dreams. this dream was the last "phone call" I've had from him so far. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:48:22 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Hottie dream_title: the boy dream_date: 3/16/02 dreamer_name: Hottie dream_text: I was at this family and friends party. there was this boy there that i really was HOTT. My sister wanted to introduce me to him. when she started to introduce me he left in a car. dream_comments: He was wearing a green pull over, and last night when i really saw him he was wearing a yellow pull over ------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:38:20 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Teeth...bad dream dream_title: Teeth...bad dream dream_date: march 11 2002 dreamer_name: Ziola dream_text: I dreamt I was sleeping but awoke (from this point i was aware i was dreaming) because i felt one of my front teeth was loose. I got up and found myself in my chilhood home and looking for my mumm but she wasn't there. I went from room to room looking for her but she had already left for work. I then realised that it wasn't just one tooth that was loose but it was my whole upper jaw that had broken into peices. It wasn't painful but I was really really worried that I wouldn't be able to get to a dentist to fix it...it's a public holiday today. I got in the car to drive to a dentist that would be open, but as I drove I kept finding people i knew who needed lifts. I drove them around in the car with me looking for a dentist, but we kept haveing to stop for silly things like playing football or flying kites...and each time we stopped bits of my teeth would fall out and i'd have to fit them all back into my mouth and pull my lips around them to stop them from falling out. I was completely freaking out by this stage but couldn't find a dentist. I woke up just as i pulled up at a 24Hr dentist. I had a terrible feeling of dread all morning. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:38:48 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: flying above sea or land with my lover dream_title: flying above sea or land with my lover dream_date: 11/03/2002 dreamer_name: king dream_text: yesterday i dreamed in early morning when i am about to get out of bed... i am flying with my lover like a magic sheet or something we stood over it and flying above a sea i never saw any films before that day like flying like this... before some months i had this same dream with a small change as flying above a hill.. dream_comments: since this dream occurs twice i like to know the results it has....send the results to my mail id.....rajamet@yahoo.com..use this real mail id ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:14:03 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: White to Red dream_title: White to Red dream_date: October 15th, 2001 dreamer_name: Rachel dream_text: I dreamt that I was in a completely white room. I was also dressed in white. I was sitting in a glass box, with my feet nailed to the floor, but there was no blood running from them. In this dream, I am looking at a black, blurry figure, which is standing directly in front of me.. It (the figure) is the size of a grown man and seems to be shaking. It begins to speak, quiet at first and then louder. It says "It's back." It's voice sounds like that of a child. All of a sudden the room goes dark. I can't hear or see anything. The next thing I see is me, running through the white room; the glass box is gone and my feet are no longer nailed to the floor. I keep looking back, as if something is chasing me, I can see blood dripping from my feet (from whre the nails were). All of a sudden I fall, when I look up everything is red. Then, I wake up. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:37:44 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Tidle Wave dream_title: Tidle Wave dream_date: 3/2/2002 dreamer_name: dreammirror dream_text: I was in a city and it seemed to be New York. I was also by an ocean and I saw from the corner of my eye this huge wave coming to shore and it was like a wall of water as high as the tallest building. I knew that it was a tidle wave and that there was nothing I could do. I could hear people screaming and they were running for their lives.I was also terrified of what I saw as I knew that we were all going to die. Suddenly though as I realized that we were going to lose our lives and there was nothing that we could do, (I could do), I had a sense of almost peace as I was ready to face my own death. It was certainly out of my control and a force much greater than I was!!!!! dream_comments: I would be interested in other peoples dreams of disaster and what they think theor dream means in their own life. My email address is Joyof_Art@msn.com (Please use my e-mail ) ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:39:36 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: Rahatsiz Guy subject: Dream Flow for Electric Dreams dreamer_name: Rahatsiz Guy dream_text: i saw this dream many times. i am in the toilet sitting on the closet and there are people seeing me when i am resting there and i feel terribly annoyed. i say myself 'what am i gonna do? i need to be alone in here. these people will see me when i am cleaning myself'. so i feel very much annoyed by the presence of other people around. dream_comments: i saw this dream in different forms . the place teh people change but the main theme is the same. so i didn't include a dream date. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:39:08 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: my x dream_title: my x dream_date: 03/12/02 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: I keep having dreams about my ex boyfriend from a very long time ago, In the dream he is trying to get back with me and he is also heavly into drugs in my dreams as he is also in real life. he seems to be asking me for help and when i wake up I always feel guilty as I am now married and have a child. dream_comments: I feel that there is something wrong with my ex in real life and I need to help him in someway. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:15:27 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: cheating dream_title: cheating dream_date: 3-14-02 dreamer_name: anonymous dream_text: I was dreaming of my spouse having sex with another woman, and also taking a shower with that person. dream_comments: I didn't like the dream at all. Could you please tell me why I was dreaming that? ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 417 ____________________________________________________________ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. I do not like this guy, but I am falling in love From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:36:19 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: I do not like this guy, but I am falling in love dream_date: 3-17-02 dreamer_name: Hannah dream_text: I am telling my self that I do not like this guy, but I am falling in love with him. Everyday at school he will not look me in the eyes. He turns away when I pass by him. I finally ask him out and he says yes. We go out and after a while get maried. I ask him why he would never look me in the eye and he said because my eyes were his weakness. dream_comments: In reall life not in my dream I like the guy but the guy i get married to in my dream is not the guy I like. And the guy in the dream really wont look me in the eye( he has aked me out before but I said no). What does this mean? ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 418 ____________________________________________________________ There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. what the hell? From: Anonymous 2. Re: what the hell? From: Heratheta ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:10:11 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: what the hell? dream_title: what the hell? dream_date: 3 17 2002 dreamer_name: bootlegger dream_text: i was put in jail for whatever reason,i dont know. it was like this big circle. like a dome. i was in a big white bubble like place.there were these benches that went around the circle to sit on but they were slanted forward to where you could not comfortably sit without sliding off. if you slid off, you would drop down into a big bottomless pit. i had this weird circle device around my thigh.i looked down at it and it looked like a record album made around my thigh. it was hard to move with it on. my legs would not close because it was in the way. ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:22:27 EST From: Heratheta Subject: Re: what the hell? see www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 419 ____________________________________________________________ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. just friends? From: Anonymous ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:24:19 -0800 From: Anonymous Subject: just friends? dream_title: just friends? dream_date: 3-19-02 dreamer_name: LiL dreamy dream_text: I dreamed that I was with one of my best friends and now i feel like I really like him. dream_comments: What dose this mean? ____________________________________________________________ [dream-flow] Digest Number 420 ____________________________________________________________ There are 4 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: just friends? From: "P Ingerson" =============== SUBMITTING NEWS and Calendar events related to dreaming. We usually have a deadline at the 15th of each month. Send all events and news to Peggy Coats SENDING IN QUESTIONS, Replies and Concerns about dreams and dreaming. 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