"I wonder if the cells in my body argue and get angry and dream? " Gloria Nye Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams To subscribe to Electric Dreams Send from the address you want to subscribe to electric-dreams-request@lists.best.com And put in the body of the e-mail only subscribe your-email To unsubscribe from Electric Dreams Send from the address you want to unsubscribe to electric-dreams-request@lists.best.com And put in the body of the e-mail only: unsubscribe your-email Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z E L E C T R I C D R E A M S Volume 6 Issue #4 APRIL 1999 ISSN# 1089 4284 Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web USA www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z Send Dreams and Comments on Dreams to: Bob Krumhansl Send Dreaming News and Calendar Events to: Peggy Coats Send Articles and Subscription concerns to: Richard Wilkerson: For back issues, editors addresses and other access & Staff see ELECTRIC DREAMS ACCESS INFORMATION at the end of this issue Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z C O N T E N T S ++ Editor's Notes ++ Dream Airing: Notes, letters to the editor ++ Column: Dream Trek: Matching Nightmares With Appropriate Action by Linda Lane Magall›n ++ Electric Dreams Interviews Rita Abrams by Lars Spivock ++ASD Bulletin Board - Home to the Dream Titans! by Richard Wilkerson ++ Dreaming in the Millenium by Lars Spivock ++ So You Want a Career in the Field of Dreams? By Richard Wilkerson G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S - Peggy Coats NEWS >>>>Dreamgates ASD Regional Workshop in Bermuda >>>>ASD Conference Update >>>>Sierra DreamQuest Retreat RESEARCH & REQUESTS >>>>Call for Dream Art WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES >>>>NADIS: The Numinous Archives Dream Interactive System DREAM CALENDAR for March-April 1999 D R E A M S SECTION INDEX BY BOB K. (For ED V6 N4) Electric Dreams Access Information End INDEX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX APRIL 16, FRI deadline for submission FOR Next Electric Dreams vol 6(5) The millennium year Continues - send in dreams XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Editor's Notes +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Welcome to Electric Dreams, the voice of the dreaming in Cyberspace. This voice is a multiple and speaks this month from many sources: What causes nightmares? Are they about unresolved dark material in the unconscious, are they about life tasks we are fleeing, are they just something that happens to sensitive people or was it the pizza we had for dinner? Linda Magallon explores some of the current thinking in this area and attempts to expand on the multiplicity of levels involved. Dream inspired artist Rita Abrams has found a wealth of ideas and wisdom by watching her dreams. In an interview by Lars Spivock, Rita reveals some of these inspiring dreams and how they have influenced not only her Emmy award winning productions, but her personal life as well. Be sure to read the "Interviews Rita Abrams" where she reminds us of the value of paying attention to our dreams. Lars Spivock continues to expand on the value and use of dreams in a special article on finding wisdom in dreams for the year 2000. From how to recall and catch your dream to catching and harnessing the significant symbols, Lars lead you on both a personal and collective experience in "Dreaming in the Millennium". Speaking of dream attention, if you have questions about dreams and dreaming, the Association for the Study of Dreams has an ongoing 24hr bulletin board. Read about the dream titans that visit there and learn about the new host Jean Campbell. If you find the dream movement exciting and would like to spend your life exploring and researching dreams, but haven't a clue as how to start, you will want to read my "So You Want a Career in the Field of Dreams?" article. This starter article will give you an idea of how a lot of other people got into the field of dreams and what is involved. Whether you would like a regional dream workshop, and international conference or a dream get- away in Bermuda, The Global Dreaming News has the scoop for you. Peggy Coats has an international network of the best online and offline events in dreams. And if you have news to share, send it to Peggy at pcoats@dreamtree.com If you haven't stopped by the DreamTree ( http://www.dreamtree.com ) lately you may be in for a big surprise. Not only is the site graphically a delight to visit, but you will find new forums for discussion of dreams, a delightful Bay Area Dreamworkers Group Forum and many other new delights. If you are in any way interested in the dream movement, this site is not to be missed! And if you have news to share, send it to Peggy at pcoats@dreamtree.com And finally, our dreams. These dream come from all parts of the world to Electric Dreams and we publish them along with comments, just as literature and critical theory are published as valid texts. Bob Krumhansl has a editorial for you and has organized this months dreams and comments into easily understandable categories. Be sure to read the DREAM section. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Dream Airing Notes, letters to the editor Send to rcwilk@dreamgate.com +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Many thanks to low bandwidth for listing electric dreams http://www.disobey.com/low/listings/electric_dreams.htm Be sure to stop by and check this site out, as well as the full collection of other e-zines which they generously archive! _________________________________\ Many thanks to Self Growth Magazine for including us on their dream links page. http://www.selfgrowth.com/ -------------------------------------------------------- Are you on the Dream-Flow? New Additions to the Flow: DreamaLittleDream@onelist.com DreamingWorld@onelist.com - http://www.sixdegrees.com/ -- http://www.dreamtree.com/Questions/Forum/forum.html Dream inspired cartoonist Rich Veitch once put out a postcard with a guy oozing through a wall of bricks. The caption said "Walls mean nothing to dreamworkers". Well, I hope dreamworkers are somewhat cautious of peoples boundaries, but dreams are not. They play with everything, everyone and continually move into every imaginal crack they can find. The overflowing of boundaries continues with dream sharing between people, and now continues through Cyberspace. If you would like to join the flow of dreams in cyberspace, all you have to do is be willing to receive and send dreams. You can send them to whoever you want, your own list, friends or your own ezine. To be added to the dreamflow of dreams and comments on dreams simply send an email to dream-flow-request@lists.best.com In the body of the email, put only subscribe your-email For more, see http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hawaiian Dream Interpreters will be available as part of the Millennium Celebration on Kaua'i. This is a New Age celebration of the New Year 1999-200 with over 400 spirits gathering with authentic kahuna, elders, healers, and storytellers, including Hawaii's leading visionary authors Shakit Gawain, Alan Chen and renowned anthropologist Hank Wesselman. Presented by Inner Voyages and New Age Publishing, if you are interested in joining this celebration, call 1-888-552-7375 With accomodations, runs about $2000 to $2500 for dec 28th through Jan 2nd. http://www.avalontravel.com/mill.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's Only a Dream - music CD It's Only a Dream: songs of the collective unconscious. From the inside cover: New York Songwriters Document Their Dreams. From the beginning of time artists have mined their dreams for inspiration. For this album collection, inspired by the dream-comics of artist Rich Veitch, ten New York area songwriters were asked to submit a work based on an actual dream experience. Produced by Mark Sidgwick for Medulla productions. 1998. $15.00 Live performances (acoustic only): Thursday, April 8 Monday, April 19 8:15pm Sharp The Living Room, Stanton & Allen, NYC livingroomny.com +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ DREAM TREK By Linda Lane Magall¢n Matching Nightmares With Appropriate Action =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= A recent "20/20 " TV broadcast featured dreamworker and radio host Kathleen Sullivan. Kathleen, who is the author of *Recurring Dreams,* described her dream of an eagle caught in a web. She interpreted her dream eagle as a symbol for herself, caught in the web of alcoholic addiction. She was able to use that insight to change her life, to stop drinking and, as a result, her recurring dreams disappeared. On the same program, another dreamworker, Gillian Holloway, spoke with four people who were suffering from recurring nightmares. Like Kathleen, she used symbolic interpretation in an attempt to match dream content with current life. Afterwards, two of the people interviewed felt that the use of metaphor and pun unlocked their dreams' meaning and revealed helpful information. But the other two weren't so convinced. That symbols reflect current life is only one possible meaning for dreams. And to pinpoint the "meaning " of nightmares doesn't necessarily settle upset feelings and emotions. Even those dreamworkers who usually take a passive approach to dreams will agree that a nightmare is cause for action. Some examples of behavioral dreamwork techniques are: re-entry dreamwork, Senoi and lucid dreaming. Furthermore, to focus solely on 'symbolic interpretation' can miss the literal cause of the trauma. Just as with any type of dream, each possible stimulus for nightmare must be considered in order to match it with the appropriate action. When dreams are multi-layered, several methods might be used in conjunction. Here are several possible explanations for nightmares and suggested responses: 1. A metaphor for current life attitudes and activities. When you change your life, the dream changes. For example: you quit a job with a demanding boss and your chase dreams cease. 2. A metaphor for a bio-chemical glitch or surge. For example: You dream of your own body's dismemberment, as the pictorial equivalent of intrusive thoughts. Because this sort of nightmare is the result of the mind-body system not functioning at optimum (and expressing mental or physical illness instead), it can require physiological intervention such as diet or drug therapy. Conversely, drugs and normal hormonal changes can trigger it. For example: you dream of tidal flooding just prior to your menstrual period. A light touch of behavioral dreamwork techniques can shift content to a more positive metaphor to describe the sensation. 3. A psychic copycat of a current situation. For example: your sister has repeating nightmares. You "dream her dreams " because you are in psychic resonance with her. Your dreams end when hers do. Or they cease when you break the psychic bond with her, using cleansing or cutting rituals. 4. A repetition of a past traumatic event in current lifetime. For example: you dream of your recent rape, a childhood assault or your wartime battle. This type of nightmare is so deeply etched in the psyche that it can require heavy use of behavioral dreamwork techniques to modify the content and emotional intensity. 5. A depiction of a past or probable life. For example: you dream the last events prior to your violent death. A request for new information may provide additional dreams to shed light on the events surrounding this nightmarish experience. Treatment involves the sort of behavior modification techniques used for traumatic nightmares. 6. A depiction of the future. Confirmation occurs either when the dream comes true or when you change your life so it won't come true. For example: you repair your car brakes so you won't literally slide off the highway, as you keep doing in your dreams. Methods that determine meaning plus techniques that modify behavior comprise the full tool set to resolve a nightmare, recurring or not. But selecting the appropriate tool depends on what is actually stimulating the nightmare to occur. There is no one-size-fits-all tool for nightmare work. So, don't rely on that first hammer you bought, when what you really need is a crowbar or a monkey wrench. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Comments on "Matching Nightmares With Appropriate Action" I would like to conjecture that there is another category, incubated nightmares. As gruesome and self-abusive as this may sound at first, I would like to suggest that there is always a risk of a situation getting out of control when we allow otherness to exist. That is, when we step out of the world we are used to, the one we control by force of will and habit to explore new realms, there is always the chance of encountering a nightmare of sorts. We go to a night club that gets raided, we go on a date with person who turns out to be nuts, we confront a litterbug in the neighborhood who goes off on us, we get involved with an activist group that has too radical an element, and so on. Each of these are potential growth situations that backfire and turn into nightmares. In this sense, nightmares can be part of the game of life. Also, again in the service of growth and curiosity, we may begin to seek out nightmares. In bodywork, in psychology and in many spiritual disciplines, there is a technique of moving into the pain. The process is usually quite complex and involves much trust and having a surround of social and personal containers that are able to handle and support the exploration. Are nightmares something to just get rid of, or can we develop a wider array of responses and relationships with this kind of dream? -Richard Wilkerson +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Electric Dreams Interviews Rita Abrams by Lars Spivock +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ http://www.dreamgate.com/lars/interviews/rita05.htm Rita Abrams is the composer of the international hit pop single "Mill Valley," and winner of numerous awards including two Emmys. Abrams and Stan Sinberg created For Whom The Bridge Tolls, an original musical-comedy revue that has played in the San Francisco Bay Area for four years, and is due to re-open in San Francisco in May 1999. We were having lunch in an Italian restaurant in Mill Valley, California. The rain stopped and the sun shone on the blue inlet. Through the dangling willow branches boats meandered by Mt. Tamalpais. With me was Rita Abrams, talented composer, lyricist, producer, greeting card writer, product namer, author, singer, humorist, copywriter and as I was about to learn, dreamer. Electric Dreams: Welcome to cyberspace, Rita. Thanks for coming. I already know you sometimes have dreams that have special meaning for you. Please tell us about one. Rita Abrams: The first one that comes to mind is one where there is this very witty woman in a bus and she is saying all these brilliant things and they are just flying off her tongue. And I think to myself, "I wish I could be that smart." And when I woke up I thought, "isn't that hilarious? I was that smart, everything in the dream was coming out of my brain." And in the dream I envied this woman for her intelligence. And it was me! [laughing] I thought that was quite wonderful. ED: Great, that's a classic. Any other particularly memorable dreams? RA: I once read that the Gestalt school believes that whatever you dream is an aspect of you. At that time I had a dream that I am riding in my mother's white-red Chevy Impala convertible. Someone later said "be the convertible." I said, "I'm open ... unprotected, and anyone can ride me and use me however they want to. And nobody appreciates it." It was absolutely me. ED: Have you ever had a precognitive dream? RA: I had one very powerful experience in which one night I dreamt that my house was being robbed. I was living alone at the time in a house in the woods. And it was such a powerful dream that I awoke and went upstairs to see if my television and stereo were still there. And then I went back to sleep. It was just a dream. The next night I came in; it was 3 am, I was getting ready for bed, I looked at my window, and it had been forced open. And I went upstairs and called the police thinking that the person might still be around; the police came and said "where's your television and your stereo?" And I started screaming "you won't believe this, you won't believe this -- this is exactly what I dreamed last night!" And he looked at me as if to say [sarcastically] "Yeah right lady, right." But it was a very amazing predictive dream. ED: I'd like to ask you a little more about the brilliant lady in the bus dream. Can you tell me what your perspective was and where she was and what she looked like? RA: I just now remembered what she said. This is a whole other element of it. The bus driver was kind of putting me down or being bossy and she shouted to me "why are you so willing to be talked at?" And I thought "oh my God." Isn't that brilliant? I never would have thought of that consciously. And that's when I said, "wow I wish I were that smart." That I could say something like that, that fast. And of course it was very true. ED: Can you tell me about the driver's or lady's clothing or complexion? Or was the focus of the dream more on the dialogue and less on the visuals. RA: Dialogue, yeah. ED: Is that typical for your dreams? RA: Definitely much more verbal that visual when I think about it now. ED: Do you ever hear music in your dreams? RA: Yeah, a lot. And I'll write things in my dreams -- funny things, good things. And I'll wake up with the solution to some kind of creative problem. ED: How do your dreams help you with your creativity as a songwriter? RA: Sometimes my dreams will give me a song title. I'll wake up in the morning with a song title which I'll then write a song about. One example of that was waking up and hearing the phrase from my dream which was "On the phone again" sung to the melody of Willie Nelson's "On the Road Again." So just like that it came to me and I called Elmo and I said we have to write the song "On the Phone Again." We wrote a whole very funny song about this woman yakking on the phone. ED: What else do your dreams give you? RA: Sometimes dreams will give me titles, other times dreams will give me both the titles and the melodies and a little bit of the lyrics like the chorus. The ones I've come up with that way in dreams are pretty funny and maybe not even usable. Like there was when I woke up singing this song about a rattletrap Ford which I've never used for anything and I don't know what prompted me to do that or to dream that. I've been collaborating on a new show called New Wrinkles and I'm one of the songwriter-lyricists There's another songwriter who's writing the other half of the tunes. And occasionally we critique each other's music. And so I have awakened sometimes having dreamed corrections to his lyrics and knowing that this would be better, sound a little bit smoother than the ones he wrote. So I've been going to him with some of those. He's been very gracious about accepting my edits and my additions to his songs. And that has happened in dreams. So those are the ways in which dreams have added directly to my creative life and even my work. One song that started with a dream was "Blame It on El Nis web site [to the tune of "Blame It on the Bossa Nova"]. RA: I wrote that with Stan Sinberg for For Whom the Bridge Tolls which ran for four years in Marin and is opening in San Francisco in May [1999]. ED: In what other ways have dreams communicated with you? RA: My dreams have instructed me, and told me when to get out of relationships very, very clearly. It took me months to follow them but the truth of a bad relationship always appears first to me in a dream. ED: Hmm, [cautiously] an example? RA: I was dating this one guy who was not very sensitive but he had other qualities. He hadn't met my daughter yet. A little bit reluctantly I made a dinner plan for my daughter and him to meet. The night before we went out to dinner, I had a dream that we were eating and he said something really critical to me and she fell into my arms sobbing. And I said "it's over." And that was the dream. The next night we went out to dinner and we sat down to eat and he starts criticizing her table manners and she starts crying. But I didn't say "it's over." It took me months more to process that. I am enthralled with the power of the subconscious and would like to learn more about it. ED: Is there anything you would like to say to our readers? RA: Pay attention to your dreams. I am being reminded to do that more by telling you about my dreams. ED: Many of our readers are expert at all aspects of dreamwork. Would you like to ask them anything? Rita Abrams: How do you get your dreams to speak to you? How can I be more active with my dreams to answer questions or solve things? Electric Dreams: I'm sure they will enjoy answering you via rita@dreamgate.com. It's been a pleasure talking with you and I wish everyone could have heard your beautifully expressive voice. For Whom the Bridge Tolls The four-year hit musical comedy revue that lampoons life around the S.F. Bay area seen through the wits of songwriter Rita Abrams, and humor columnist/radio commentator Stan Sinberg. Re-opens May 6, 1999 The Plush Room in San Francisco 800-758-7495 New Wrinkles A hilarious, provocative musical comedy revue about the coming of middle-age. If you have to get old, you might as well do it laughing [Rita wrote half the songs for this one]. April 9-May 9, 1999 Playhouse West in Walnut Creek 925-942-0300 Lars Spivock is an international technology consultant and an original member of the DreamGate team. He has been a lucid dreamer since early childhood. He freelances for The Wisdom Channel, Electric Dreams, and America Online's Alternative Medicine Forum. Lars has contributed to outreach and education projects for the Intuition Network, Institute of Noetic Sciences, Association for the Study of Dreams, Bay Area Dreamworkers, and the Dream Library and Archive. ===================================== +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ ASD Bulletin Board - Home to the Dream Titans! -by Richard Wilkerson Jean Campbell, Linda Magallon, Ernest Hartmann, Robert Moss, Robert Van de Castle, Alan Siegel and more.... +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ The Bulletin Board for the Association for the Study of Dreams was conceived and brought to live by Jayne Gackenbach in 1995 in a whirlwind of controversy and has maintained a steady flow of information and discussion for nearly five years. The board has had many hosts and has plans to bring on some real giants in dreams and dreaming for the 21st Century. The only drawback, (or its shining glory to some) is that the meaning of actual dreams cannot be discussed. But even with this limitation, the message board creates a friendly face to dreamers from around the world. The web based bulletin board also has wonderful hosts, such as myself, Richard Wilkerson in San Francisco, Ad Christiaensen in the Netherlands and currently Jean Campbell from the USA East Coast. Please stop by, ask question about the process of dreaming, science of dreaming, or current events in the field. Here is a little more on information from the current host. Jean Campbell Not long ago I listened to some people discuss how difficult it is to get people to participate in dream lucidity. Around twenty years ago I had a conversation with Anne Faraday, one of the first people to popularize dream work, in which she said she and other researchers doubted that dream lucidity might exist. I say we have come quite a distance in twenty years. For me, most of that twenty years has been spent exploring dreams in one way or another. I have had a book published, DREAMS BEYOND DREAMING, and have conducted some research on group dreaming that gained international acclaim. The history of this group dreaming research, done through Poseidia Institute which I then directed, is being collected for the dream book I am currently writing: GROUP DREAMING: DREAMS TO THE TENTH POWER Recently my research has taken me along another path though. Much of dream work, like traditional psychology, involves only talking. Yet, as therapist Stanley Kelleman says, "We embody our dreams." I have studied for the past eight years with Hector Kuri Cano, a Mexican therapist who developed what he called Energetic Metatherapy, a method of bioenergetic body work involving all levels of body, mind, and spirit. I have discovered that when dreams are brought to this type of work, the understanding, because it comes from a cellular and experimental experiential level, is much deeper. Dreams are a human magic, and have the potential to unite us. I am reminded of a slogan I saw once stitched in silk on a sweater in an exclusive Georgetown shop: "Dream the Revolution." We could. JCCampb@aol.com +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Dreaming in the Millenium Copyright 1999 by Lars Spivock +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Artists, executives, and engineers are often delighted to find inspiration during their sleep. You do not have to wait for dreaming wisdom to come to you. You can simply ask for it! Here are two simple ways to gain insights about the millenium: INDIVIDUAL MILLENIUM DREAM QUEST --------------------------------------------------------- At night -- * If possible, pick a day when you do not wake to an alarm clock. * Keep a pen and paper at your bedside. * Do only relaxing things in the hour before bed. * After closing your eyes, ask your inner self for a millenium message or symbol. * Also tell yourself that you will remember your dreams in the morning. * Keep asking for a message and affirming to remember it as you fall asleep. The next morning -- * As you realize you are waking, keep your eyes closed and stay still. * Calmly review what you were just dreaming. * Open your eyes and immediately write out and make drawings of your dreams. When journaling dreams, write down and draw everything you remember, even small fragments. You can wonder about their meanings after they are safely recorded in your journal. Keep your pen and paper with you to record dream memories that are triggered during your daily activities. You are the expert when it comes to interpreting your dreams. Spend a little quiet time with your journal and you will discover messages that may be disguised as puns, metaphors or roles played by you or other characters. You can repeat the above practice as often as desired. Have a relaxed attitude of acceptance and sooner or later you will be rewarded with some gems. COMMUNITY MILLENIUM DREAM ----------------------------------------------- Many of us will be staying up past midnight on December 31 or have friends in other time zones who will enter the year 2000 many hours before us. For this reason and to avoid weekdays, our mutual dreaming experience will be on December 25, 1999. Follow the same general guidelines for the INDIVIDUAL MILLENIUM DREAM QUEST. Before going to sleep Saturday night, December 25 -- * Prepare your writing materials and relax for an hour. * After closing your eyes ask your inner self to join with thousands of other dreamers to reveal the mysteries of the millenium. * Keep repeating your request and telling yourself that you will remember your dreams in the morning. Upon awakening, Sunday morning, December 26 -- * Without changing the position of your body or opening your eyes, calmly review your dreams. * Journal your dream with as much detail as you can recall. Please send email to y2k@dreamgate.com with the results of your dreams and I will send you a summary of everyone's dreams. Those without email may send a letter to Lars in care of [this publication]. Participants will remain anonymous. I wish you wonderful dreams! ____________________________________________________ About the author-- Lars Spivock is an international technology consultant and an original member of the DreamGate team. He has been a lucid dreamer since early childhood. He free lances for The Wisdom Channel, Electric Dreams, and America Online's Alternative Medicine Forum. Lars has contributed to outreach and education projects for the Intuition Network, Institute of Noetic Sciences, Association for the Study of Dreams, Bay Area Dreamworkers, and the Dream Library and Archive. Lars may be contacted via y2k@dreamgate.com. +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ So You Want a Career in the Field of Dreams? By Richard Wilkerson +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Note: book suggestions are with an eye towards people who have in some way made a career in dreams and have told their story or the story of other dream careers people. RCW I have had many questions about how get into the field of dreams. First the bad news. I often feel that there was more money made last weekend for the latest blockbuster movie than for all the dreamworkers since the Interpretation of Dreams a hundred years ago in 1900. Gayle Delaney, dreamworker extra-ordinaire has said that no one yet has really made a living doing just dreamwork. And having been on Oprah and Donahue, written tons of books and traveled with her dream show world wide, she should know! Now the Good News: Without full time professionals, how does the field evolve? Well, people do other things as well. Here are the most related I am aware of... 1. Psychology. Especially Jungian psychology, which has a heavy dream focus. Many dreamworkers have mental health training and many are psychotherapists. The general overview doesn't exist to my knowledge, though many books cover dreamwork from the original theories. But how it is now practiced in late 20th century culture is usually dealt with separately from school to school. And interesting study that looks at the practices and beliefs of several health care workers is: Dombeck, Mary-Therese B. (1991). Dreams and Professional Personhood: The Contexts of Dream Telling and Dream Interpretation Among American Psychotherapists. Albany, NY: SUNY Press. If you are interested in dreams, the more Jungian education you can get the better. I say this not only as an advocate for Jungian psychology, but because Jungian work runs through nearly all contemporary dreamwork and theory and has deeply influenced the Dream Movement. Jung's story is a must, start with : Jung, Carl. G. (1965). _Memories, Dreams and Reflections_. New York, NY: Vintage Books. Electric Dreams Links : Carl Jung http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm#jung 2. Publishing and Lecturing and Workshops. Books are the main contact source for the dream worker and the more successful dreamworkers are also giving seminars, lectures, workshops, conference presentations and getting as much air time as possible. Most are still neglecting the Web, but some progress is being made. There are some writers who use dreams as rhetorical devices in their books and screenplays. There are a few scholars who write about dreams, but not many. One of the newest twists is Dream in Business. These workshops get people in business to use dreams as a way to bring the office into a better mode of communication. If this area of dream show interests you, I would contact everyone possible on the Association for the Study of Dreams Who's Who list. http://www.asdreams.org/idxwhoiswho.htm 3. Science and Medicine. Sleep disorder clinics and clinicians are on the rise, though dream specific research is on the decline. The focus here is on problems with sleep and some work can then be done with dreams through the backdoor of nightmares and other dream related sleep issues. Be sure to get a hold of the ASD journal Dreaming and see the Electric Dreams links to Sleep organizations. http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/sleep_disorders.htm 4. Religion. As Ron L. Hubbard once said to the Campbell, editor of Analog Magazine, "heck, all the money is in religion!" There has yet to be a Church of Dreams, but I suspect we will see them in the 21stCentury. More often, pastors and priests and ministers take up dreamwork as a adjunct to pastoral counseling. Note for instance the success of Jeremy Taylor, who is a Unitarian minister and now has a full workshop and dream tours schedule. However, this came after 20 or more years in the trenches. Non-denominational dreamwork is becoming more popular as self improvement often includes dreamwork an spirituality. For more information, I recommend reading Taylor's dream story in Taylor, Jeremy (1992). Where People Fly and Water Runs Uphill: Using Dreams to tap the Wisdom of the Unconscious. New York, NY: Warner Books, Inc. There are many other fascinating stories of dreamworks. See the collection at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/bibs/ 5. Lucid Dreams. This seems to be almost its own category of dreamwork. Stephen Laberge has done the most to make lucid dream technology, science and psychology a life's profession. The topic continues to draw lots of attention. Many others are rapidly developing products. For more on this topic, stop by the Lucidity Institute Online at http://www.lucidity.com And the Lucid dream story of Laberge can be found in the classic Lucid Dreaming By Stephen LaBerge, Ph.D. Electric Dreams Lucidity Links http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm#lucid 6. Anthropology. Many people in the dream field are anthropologists. They study not only what other cultures have to say about dreams and dreaming, but our own as well. They look at how the dream and dream interpretations function in the culture and what the mean to the individual in this context. For more information, see Jayne Gackenbach's site http://www.spiritwatch.com I also recommend reading *at least* the introduction to Barbara Tedlock's Tedlock, Barbara (Ed.). (1987). Dreaming: Anthropological and Psychological Interpretations.Cambridge University Press. --------. (Ed.). (1992 edition) Dreaming: Anthropological and Psychological Interpretations.Sante Fe, NM: School of American Research Press. --------. (1981). Dreaming: Anthropological and Psychological Interpretations. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. Educational Needs of a Dreamworker Courses specifically. Some of these you might have to get outside of traditional institutions. 1. Jungian psychology. Get a lot of this. Read all you can on your own. You might want to start with Jung's memoirs, Memories, dreams and reflections. But I also like the illustrated Man and his Symbols. I don't think there is a richer system of dreamwork on the earth., and most of what is used today in groups and by individuals stems from the work of the Jungians. 2. Other psychologies: Ask for the basics and history. Freud, Adler, Jung, Maslow, Sullivan, Erikson, even Skinner. But also look into Frederich Perls, Mednard Boss, Bonime, Montegue Ullman, Arnold Mindel, James Hillman. Try to get as close to having a session with them as possible. Obviously this isn't possible for many as they are dead, but move from the generalizations about them to finding out what an hour with them was actually like. If you can afford therapy, try out different kinds of therapy yourself. Very Important to get as close to first hand experience as possible. If you get deeply into psychotherapy, I find the Object Relations therapies quite interesting and a way of bringing forward classical psychotherapy. Kohut and self-psychology forms a bridge between object relations and human potential and wholeness oriented therapies. I highly recommend Raymond J. Corsini's Current Psychotherapies for a quick journey into several types of therapies at the experiential level.. Fossage and Loew put together a comparison of dream therapies in Dream Interpretation, A comparitive Study second ed 1987. Its a little dry, but interesting. A more exciting new comparison is Anthony Shafton's Dream Reader. Also, Gayle Delaney has a good comparison dream book called New Directions in Dream Interpretation. 3. Anthropology. Again, much of dreamwork has a cultural component. Exposure to alternative cultures allows for a wider grasp of individual issues and offers a unique way to find a context for dreams. On dreams & anthropology, read Barbara Tedlock's (1987). Dreaming: Anthropological and Psychological Interpretations. Cambridge University Press. and Devereux, George (1969). Reality and Dream: Psychotherapy of a Plains Indian. Garden City, NY: Anchor Books See the Dream Anthropology bibliography at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/bibs/anthro.htm 4. Literature. I feel that getting the sense of what writing and literature is about has helped me with dreams. Interpreting stories is something the fields share in common, and they enhance one another. Dreams are often interpreted using literary criticism's techniques, not only the simple dynamic structures of plot and character, but the more elaborate philosophies of criticism with investigate the psychological and policitical forces in all narratives. In Dreams, See Jones, Richard (1979). The Dream Poet. Cambridge, MA: Schenkman Publishing Company and States, Bert O. (1988). Rhetoric of Dreams. London: Cornell University Press. For more see Rupprecht, Carol Schreier (Ed.). (1993a). The Dream and the Text: Essays on Literature and Language. NY: SUNY Press. 5. Religion and Mythology: This could be under anthropology or literature as well. Both religious studies and mythology look at stories that struggle with the creation or understanding of the meaning and value of life. Be sure to read Joseph Campbell's The Masks of God. There are several in the series, all great. I would read Mircea Eliade's The History of Religious Ideas as well, also a kind of mythologically based text. Push through on religious studies to the esoteric/ mystic side of the religion. We hear a lot of horror stories about Islam in the West, but we rarely hear about the fabulous Sufi traditions. Again, be sure to check out Carl Jung on his rendition of Christianity and Western religions. 6. Philosophy: while philosophy has done very little in its investigation of the world of ideas to explore dreams, I find it invaluable in the understanding of dream techniques and where they are coming from. All forms of interpretation are motivated by other ideas and powers. To the degree that we learn to be conscious and aware of these, we won't as often fall prey to being the victim of the idea. Also, being able to deeply question the assumptions and categories we live by is very similar to a lot of dreamwork which does the same. Of course, one might point out Descartes as an example of a philosopher who made a career on dreams. It was the dream that led his to posit that he could not really be sure of reality, only that he existed thinking it was real. 7. Science. Understanding the functions of dreaming used to be clearly separated into those who wanted a clear biological answer and those who wanted a psycho-spiritual answer. Now the fields mix and blend and having a good background in biology, physiology, chemistry, ect, can help in sorting out the psychological from the physical. We used to think about schizophrenia, for example, in moral terms. Something was wrong with the person in that they failed to use their will power to come up to snuff and therapy involved getting them back on the right road of consensus reality. Now we know that there are terrible chemical inbalances, many genetically informed. Therapy may still involve helping the person adapt to reality, but it no longer assumes the person is *trying* to be weird. In dreamwork, we may make use of a nightmare to investigate some deep soulful path, but its also important to check out the physiological components and influences. The more science we have, the better we can refer these clients to appropriate care. Graduate Programs I'm not aware of any at this time that offer advanced degrees in Dreaming. The Association for the Study of Dreams offers Continuing Education Units at its conferences. Www.asdreams.org However, there are people who do offer graduate studies in dreams. For a full list (as collected to date by Don Kuiken) see http://www.asdreams.org/subidxedugraduatestudies.htm Dream Centers and Resources. Jill Gregory at the Dream Library and Archive has helped many other dream centers get started and many dream careers get going for many years. For more information go to the Dream Library and Archive: http://members.aol.com/dreammzzz/index.htm <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S March-April 1999 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats, pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at http://www.dreamtree.com/News/global.htm. This Month's Features: NEWS >>>>Dreamgates ASD Regional Workshop in Bermuda >>>>ASD Conference Update >>>>Sierra DreamQuest Retreat RESEARCH & REQUESTS >>>>Call for Dream Art WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES >>>>NADIS: The Numinous Archives Dream Interactive System DREAM CALENDAR for March-April 1999 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< N E W S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>Dreamgates ASD Regional Workshop in Bermuda Robert Moss, author of "Dreamgates" will be coming to Bermuda to lead a workshop ("Dreamgates: A Journey Into Shamanic Dreaming") over the weekend of April 16th - 18th. The price will be $225 for ASD members, $250 for non-members. This will include a Friday night talk, two-day workshop on Saturday and Sunday, lunch and tea on Saturday and Sunday and a potluck supper on Sunday night. Visit the website for more information: http://www.asdreams.org/conferences/regional/bermuda/index.htm >>>>ASD Conference Information Get the Latest Update at http://www.adreams.org/asd-16 Travel. Discount air and car rental rates are available for ASD attendees through Travel Spot, 1-800-869-6265, agent@travel-spot.com. Arriving. Registration will take place from 3:00 p.m.-5:00 p.m. on Tues., July 6th, at UCSC's Cowell College. Late arrivals may follow the signs to the Conference Housing Satellite Office at Cowell College. (If you expect to arrive after 5:00, please email vktonay@cats.ucsc.edu, or leave a message at 1-877-DREAMSS as soon as your travel plans are confirmed.) A map to the registration site and a special fare coupon for the Airporter which will take you directly from San Jose or San Francisco airports to the registration site, are enclosed. A buffet will be served from 5:00-8:00 on July 6th after registration, on a patio overlooking the Pacific Ocean; music for post-travel relaxing will be by the Jazz Lab Quartet, a celebrated local jazz band. Weather: "It never rains in California..." It rarely rains here in July! Expect early morning fog and temperatures in the 60s, followed by late morning clearing and highs in the 70s and low 80s during the afternoon, dipping into the 60s and high 50s during the night (low humidity). The ocean is on the cool side, but some dreamers do swim in it! Clothing: Bring sturdy, comfortable shoes; the campus is hilly and you will be walking. (If you might need transportation assistance during the conference, please contact vktonay@cats.ucsc.eduor leave us a message at the conference's toll-free line, 1-877- DREAMSS.) Few people wear suits in Santa Cruz. 'Spa facilities': The UCSC sports complex is state-of-the-art, relatively new, and includes a weight room, dance room, locker room, Jacuzzi, Olympic-sized pool, and a track with a wonderful view (bring those jogging shoes...). Permits to use the facilities are $5.00/day, purchased at registration. Commuters. If you're staying on campus, you've already paid for 3 meals a day and a parking permit. If you're commuting, meals can be purchased for $5-$7 each, and parking permits cost $4/day or $12/week. A list of local off-campus lodging options is enclosed for those who are commuting. July is high season in Santa Cruz; reservations should be made as soon as possible. Program. In addition to over 100 symposia, workshops, and paper sessions, the conference will feature the Computer Cafe, Dream Art Gallery, daily Dream Expert Lunches (?????????) and Dream- Sharing Breakfasts, and the Dream Masquerade Ball! Check Dream Time for the latest program info., or visit our website: http://www.asdreams.org/ for the latest! Creative? ASD is holding a contest for the 1999 conference logo , which will appear, on conference items. The winning entry receives $50.00. Please send in your entry by March 15. Camera- ready artwork, 8-1/2" x 11", is preferred. Please submit entries to: Bethany Gideon, 322 Rigg St., Santa Cruz, CA 95060. Dream-Related Products Wanted! If you have products, artwork, or other dream-oriented items that you would like to sell at the conference, you can rent vendor space for $150 for the week, or place your items with ASD product sales to be sold. Vendor space includes a 6'x 2-1/2' table and two chairs; you are responsible for staffing your own space. Alternatively, ASD product sales will sell your items for you and retain 50% of the sales price. Items must be priced, inventoried, and ready to sell. If you would like your product to be considered, please write Bethany Gideon, 322 Rigg St., Santa Cruz, CA 95060, or e-mail her at reth22@cats.ucsc.edu. Limited space is available. Deadline: April 15th.(Book sales requests: vktonay@cats.ucsc.edu.) Auction. Help raise money for ASD by donating something you no longer want which might be useful to someone else. The auction will be held during the conference, where attendees will be able to bid on their favorite items. To donate an item, write up a complete description and estimated monetary value and mail it to Chris Ambler, 441 36th Ave., Santa Cruz, CA 95062. Deadline for receipt of items to be auctioned is May 15, 1999! Tel./fax: (831) 477-1764; cambler@concentric.net. The Dream Ball: The conference finale will be the now-traditional Dream Costume Ball with attendees encouraged to come dressed or disguised as a character from one of their own dreams. This year's theme is "Dreams of the Past Millennium." With costume contests and dancing to a live band, this event is always a favorite. Our band is a Bay Area favorite West Coast Swing band. Free lessons will be available before the ball, but if you're too shy, you can dance any way you like to West Coast Swing! Dream-Inspired Art: A juried exhibit of dream-inspired art will include paintings, sculpture, photography, mixed media, book art, and textile art. Artists may submit up to 10 slides, along with a biographical statement and an artist's statement explaining how the art is dream-related. ASD will not be responsible for shipping or insurance. There is a $10 fee for non-ASD members. For more information, including detailed entry and shipping instructions, please contact Fariba Bogzaran, Ph.D., P.O. Box 452, Inverness, CA 94937; ibabo@svn.net. Deadline for submissions is March 15th. Need Help? If your questions aren't answered here or on the conference website, http://www.asdreams.org/, please contact conference hostess Veronica Tonay, Ph.D., P.O. Box 568, Santa Cruz, CA 95061; vktonay@cats.ucsc.edu, or leave a message on our toll-free line, 1-877-DREAMSS! The entire conference planning committee look forward to meeting and welcoming you to Santa Cruz in July! Until then...sweet dreams! >>>>SIERRA DREAMQUEST RETREAT MAY 7 - 9 , 1999 Vision Quest & Shamanic Dreaming Retreat Travel into the Dreamtime with other Dreamers! This weekend vision quest takes place in a beautiful, sacred pine and oak forest in the Sierras, near Dutch Flat, CA. Nestled deep in the woods, we will utilize shamanic ritual, dreamjourneying, drumming and dancing around the fire to honor our spirit guides and totems. Both Friday and Saturday night, you will hear the call of the drum to have an opportunity to recall your dreams. Each morning, in the shamanic tradition, we will gather in sacred circle to share our dreams and honor them as night visions and tools for personal and global healing. Solo vision questing time will also be available. Are you ready for a weekend of communion with the land, the plant and animal spirits? Are you ready to reach the next level in your personal search for wholeness and holiness this Earthwalk? Cost: Solo questing only $70. Experienced questers/campers only. Full DreamQuest program with access to group rituals, drumming circles, dream circles and more, only $200 to 100 sliding scale for entire weekend. Bring your own camping gear, water, food (if you are eating), drums, rattles. Email shaman@sirius.com or call Sage to register or for more information. 510-653-7293. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< R E S E A R C H & R E Q U E S T S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>Call for Dream Art I am currently writing a book about spiritual dreams, called "Dreamjourneys: How to Dream Your Way to Healing and Spiritual Awakening." The book focuses on the shamanic perspective, presenting powerful shamanic dreamwork techniques, both original and drawn from indigenous cultures from all over the world. As such, I am seeking dream art to illustrate the book. I am especially interested in art from dreams that have a spiritual content, such as dreams of spirit guides, angels, totems, God/dess, healing dreams, dreams of the dead, precognitive or psychic dreams, or soul journey dreams. If you have a piece of art that was directly "gifted" to you during a dream, or was strongly dream-inspired, whether it be visual, poetry, sculpture, or other media that can be easily printed in book or magazine form, please send a picture of it with a description of the dream to Taylor Kingsley, 1678 Shattuck Ave. #275, Berkeley, CA 94709 or email to shaman@sirius.com. I can also be reached at (510) 653- 7293. If your art is viewable on your website, you can also apply by referring me to same. There is no compensation, alas, however the artist will be credited, his/her art viewed and appreciated by thousands more people. There is no fee for applying and all rights remain with the artist. Thank you, and sweet dreams! - Taylor Kingsley" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< W E B S I T E & O N L I N E U P D A T E S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a public project board and requires that everyone keep up his or her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes to the links page to us. >>>>NADIS: The Numinous Archives Dream Interactive System (http://www.nadis.net) The site allows users to browse dream archives submitted by others, search the archives by title or keyword, and save their search results as a "dreamstream" - so others can take the same trip. The idea is to find out what the planet is dreaming and add your own dreams to the mix. For example, if someone dreams about purple sharks dancing the tango, they might search for "sharks," "tango," and "dancing" to see connections to other dreams containing those keywords. The concept and name for the site came from a lucid dream by recording artist Kingfisher and will act as a companion to the new Kingfisher music CD site (http://www.kingfish.net). Much of the music on the CD, which will be released nationally on March 16, deals with dreams and dream images. If you'd like a sneak peek at that site, please visit http://www.kingfish.net/main/view.htm <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< D R E A M C A L E N D A R March-April 1999 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< March 26-28 in Long Beach, CA Weekend Workshop with Jeremy Taylor. 562.423.3588 or visit the website at www.jeremytaylor.com. Mar 27 in San Fernando Valley, CA "The Wisdom of Mythic Stories Symbolic Maps of Life Stages". This seminar presents personal applications of mythology and symbolism. For more information, contact Center for Story and Symbol, 310 W. Quinto Street, Santa Baraba, CA 93105, telephone: 805) 687-7171, email registrar@folkstory.com; website http://www.folkstory.com Mar 28 in San Francisco, CA Dream Art Exhibit at Grace CathedralCourtyard Gallery. Gallery Hours Sundays 12:30 to 4:00 March 28th Opening Jana Hutcheson shows work from The Opposites March 28 until April 18 Art and Music for the New Millennium Info: call 647-7517 www.jps.net/opposite Artist there on Sundays, Private viewing M-F, 9:00 4:30 Call 415-749-6300 for appointment Apr 8th & 19th in New York, USA "It's Only a Dream" accoustic concert of dream inspired songs. 8:15pm Sharp The Living Room, Stanton & Allen, NYC livingroomny.com Apr 16-18 in Hamilton, Bermuda. "Dreamgates: A Journey into Shamanic Dreaming". with author Robert Moss. Call InSight (1- 441) 295 2554. April 16 in San Francisco, CA Concerts of The Opposites. Join Jana Hutcheson, on a spiritual journey while she performs selected pieces from her CD, The Opposites, based on dream imagery. For more information, call 387-3859. www.jps.net/opposite April 23-25 in Ashland, MA Bridgewater State College Weekend Workshop with Jeremy Taylor. 415.454-2793 or visit the website at www.jeremytaylor.com. April 30-May 2 in Woburn, MA Weekend Workshop with Jeremy Taylor. 781.322.4709 or visit the website at www.jeremytaylor.com. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ == D R E A M S S E C T I O N == ED V6 N4 == ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** D R E A M S SECTION INDEX BY BOB K. (For ED V6 N4) Hi there! Welcome to ELECTRIC DREAMS - DREAMS SECTION for Vol. 6 Number 4 - April 1999 Hello dreamers! We have a 100 page dream section this month - a regular 54 page treat and a special 46 page extravaganza in the DREAM SERIES section. We again include a some Poems by Ace Boggess, this time in the FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS section at the beginning of the issue. These poems open a door to looking at the world and our relationship to people, places, things, events and times in a way that dreams images excel in doing. The veteran dreamers Stan K. and Nutcraker again share a couple of their nocturnal adventures, while many new dreamers share their concerns, especially young dreamers facing the mysteries of love and romance. Heratheta shares his unique perspective on 41 dreams included in this issue under the DIRECTIONS section (an all-time ED commentary high for a single issue). Gerald shares his dream wisdom and knowledge of scriptures near and far once again, in several contributions. As we approach another Easter season of rebirth, I want to specially thank two prolific contributors to the past couple years of ED dream sections: Heratheta and Dr. Deus/Gerald. Not wanting to "beat a dead horse" (sorry Gerald)into moving forward, or veer from the "right" path (excuse me Tony), we approach the end of the road for Winged Horse and Directional theory dream guidance elaboration in these pages. For those interested in pursuing further the approaches of Heratheta and Gerald/Dr. Deus, please note the web sites or mail addresses identified in their commentary for further exploration with them along their lines. Although we may still see their nuggets (or volumes) of wisdom from time to time, we will not see them as abundantly in the future as we have in recent ED issues. We will, however, continue to include all of their sharing in the dream-flow conversation which is archived at: http://www.mail-archive.com/dream-flow%40lists.best.com/ Enjoy this months ED. NEW CATEGORIES: [NONE] Thanks to all of those who have shared their dreams and commentary with our community. Enjoy your visit to the pages of Electric Dreams. Bob Krumhansl = = = = = = = = = = = == = = = = = = = = = = = == FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS ** Dream: "an adventure" by janice marie (990311) ** == Question: The opinion of a public dream editor == == Response from RCW "opinion of a public dream editor" == ** MORE DREAM INSPIRED POETRY by Ace Boggess (990311) ** DREAM #9: RISING'S FALL DREAM #5: PARIS DREAM #2: GOLD DREAM #7: THE MURDER CON DREAM #6: LOSS FOR WORDS DREAM #12: ANNIE JOHNSON'S DEMO COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES {None this month] NEW DREAMS: PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS [Stories from past experiences, or send them in before it happens, if you can] [None this month] REPETITIVE DREAMS [Significant by nature] ** Dream: "Too Many Tornados" by Twisted Sister (990217)** ** Dream: "Murder and Mayhem" by Myst (990210) ** ** Dream: "extra rooms" by ? (990227) ** DREAM TRACES IN WAKING LIFE [The effects of external stimuli on our dreams or is it the other way around - our dreams leaving a trace on our physical reality?] {None this month] DEFYING CLASSIFICATION [Your stumpers may not be so mysterious to others] = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE BIRTH [Starts] CHILDHOOD [Early development] ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing] ADULTHOOD [The main event for most] OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end] DEATH [Endings] ** Question: "Death in Dreams" by Rinkii (990301)** ** Dream: "MOTHER/CHILD" by SUKI (990226) ** COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial limits] ** Dream: "I and my dead father" by Anna (9902XX) ** == Commentary by gdaoust on Bubbles and Crosses (990309) == ========================================== ========================================== AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others paths] ** Dream: "Evil Dreams" by Lumnius (990325) ** ALIENS [Visitors or visited - creatures from other dimensions] [See Xenobiology in the RELATIONSHIPS Section for an insider point of view] AMUSEMENT PARK [A place to relax and enjoy, another reality] ANGELS [Visitors from Spiritual dimensions] ANIMALS [Basic Instincts - This month: a rat, a sheep, a dark horse, a white horse and a ferocious dog. Check out a cat of prey and a dolphin in other sections.] ** Dream: "White Rat" by LilRed (990315) ** ** Dream: "Sheep death" by ? (990319) ** ** Dream: "Dark Horses and Fire" by Mermaid (990226)** ** Dream: "white carousel horse" by Mermaid (990314)** ** Dream: "CrAZy Dog" by ? (990316) ** BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination] BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we were] ** Dream: "Dream Art" by dreambat (990312)** BOOKS (Extensions of our memory and imagination, our permanent records) ** Dream: "books and numbers" by Mermaid (990316)** BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from here to there] CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous] CLOTHING [What we wear tells us about ourselves and the events we participate in] COMEDY [With an accent on puns, funny situations or jokes] COMMUNICATIONS [From telepathic to devices to signs & symbols] COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools, communication] CULTS [Somewhere out there ...] DIRECTIONS [Ever stop and ask for directions? North, South, East, West, up, down, ahead, behind, straight, turn, right, left, make a circle, cross, go through, open, close, mix, add, boil, cook, simmer, but most of all - follow these instructions carefully...and don't be shy about asking someone else down the path, except, of course, for the Big Bad Wolf!!!] == Commentary by Heratheta on 41 dreams of this ED(9903XX)== DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments] DREAMING [Dreams about dreaming] DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?] EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth and pleasure] ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button or else...] ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!] EVENTS [The activity defines or dominates the story - a convergence of people at a place and time for a special purpose] EYES [The organs of sight...the window to the soul...] FEAR [What scares us] ** Dream: "Blood on the Wall" by V (990307)** ** Dream: "Gruesome" by ? (990312) ** ** Dream: "A Dream of a Fall...and a little more." by Sir JaX (990315) ** FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment] FIRE [Flames bring light, heat and destruction/transformation] FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective] ** Dream: "The Flight" by Taylor (990212) ** GIFTS [Offerings to or from others] HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING THINGS HOLIDAYS [Time off to ...] HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair] HOUSE [Where our lives take place] ** Dream: "extra rooms" by ? (990227) ** HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event location] JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -explorations] ** Dream:"What I Did In My Dream Last Night" by Nutcracker (990224) ** LOST [Disorientation or abandonment] LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors the dreamer] LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep] ** Dream: "The Kiss" by FyreSong (990320) ** LUCID DREAMING [Knowing you are Dreaming when you are Dreaming] MEMORY [Remembering ...In dreams we often struggle with the issue of memories and remembering a dream which by definition involves the process of recollection.] MIRRORS [Reflection of Self] MUSIC [Melodies of the land within] NUDITY [What you see is what you get] PERFORMERS [Entertainers] PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes present choices] POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of power] RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves including family which constitutes the first and earliest of our relationships, often influencing how we relate to the outside world] ** Dream: "Integration" by Tanith (990215) ** ** Dream: "Unfaithful Lover" by Bill (990307) ** == Commentary by RCW on "Bill's Unfaithful Lover" (990307)== ** Dream: "Betrayal after Breakup" by Jeri (990325) ** ** Dream: "confusion" by ? (990322) ** ** Dream: "xenobiology/sandstone of new mexico" by stan kulikowski ii (990305) ** ** Dream: "monkey flesh" by SK (990303) ** ** Dream: "Series of sharing diseases" by Julie (990314) ** RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual] ** Dream: "MeKenzie" by ? (990209) ** ** Dream: "Papal Visit" by fest (990307) ** ** Dream:"Quit While You're A Head" by Nutcracker(990221)** ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another] ** Dream: "Love at first Sight" by Hannah (990318) ** ** Dream: "No longer a dream" by Justine (990317) ** SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learning related trials] ** Dream: "The holding back" by ? (990220) ** SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries] STAIRS [Bridges between levels, between the upper and the lower] STRANGERS [Who and what we don't know yet] TEETH [Ok, losing teeth is one of the top ten dreams people have questions on. Theories on what they mean range all over the spectrum of possibilities.] ** Dream: "Missing Teeth" by Jodesterr (990314) ** TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of nature] ** Dream: "Too Many Tornados" by Twisted Sister (990217)** TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are paralyzed or imprisoned by jobs, relationships or expectations] ** Dream: "Oblivion" by Clockwork Raven (981115) ** ** Dream: "Cats on a Razors edge" by jj (990325) ** VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of lifestyle] ** Dream: "On the Titanic" by ? (990221) ** WATER [A magical earthly fluid, nourishment, cleansing] ** Dream: Water Dreams by PT (990210) ** == Commentary by BK on Water Dreams by PT (990214) == == Response from PT on "Water Dreams"Commentary (990219) == ** Dream: DOLPHIN GIRL by ? (990326) ** WORKPLACE [Where we make a living] WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity] = = = = = = = = = = = == DREAM SERIES Did you catch the two horse dreams in the animals section? A whole 30 words, by my count, populate the two sentences that made up the shared dream. Well, to illustrate the power of symbols, and dig in with detail into one set on meanings for this dream, following is a 46 page extravaganza exchange of messages on the dreams and possible implications. From the purpose of life to the meaning of death, from the bardo to the bible, from tolerance to intolerance, from pain to pleasure, from good to evil, from right to wrong, from old to Jung, this exchange touches on many topics near and dear to us all. Wonder of wonders, it all started with a heated journey from down under to the downest underest place of all, and takes us from Australia to France, from glimpses of Hell to tastes of Heaven. Thanks Victoria, Jay, Myst and Gerald for this tour-de-force with a nasty beginning and a happy ending. Be forewarned, this voyage is not for the weak or meek. Fasten your seat belts, and enter with an open mind ... the zone of the winged horse. ** Dream: "Dark Horses and Fire" by Mermaid (990226)** == Comment by gdaoust on "Dark Horses and Fire" (990226)== == Response by Mermaid to gdaoust Commentary (990228)== == Commentary by JayV on gdaoust Commentary (990228) == == response by gdaoust to JayV's Questions (990302) == == Response by Gdaoust to Victoria (990302) == == Commentary by gdaoust on Another Vision of Hells (990304)== ** Dream: "white carousel horse" by Mermaid (990314)** == Commentary by gd on "White Carousel Horse" (990316) == +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Farewell for this month. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hasta la vista! See you in the May 1999 issue. May your dreams do their magic in your life. Bob Krumhansl bobkrum@erols.com = = = = = = = = = = = == = = = = = = = = = = = == FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS ** Dream: "an adventure" by janice marie (990311) ** 3/11 right before waking in the morning (6:30) Hello, I am currently writing a research paper for school on the validity of dream analysis and I thought that it might be helpful to have one of my own analyzed to add a personal touch to my paper. I would really appreciate any advice you could give on the topic as well as an interpretation of my dream. Thank you! The opening of the dream was like watching TV. A voice said "Coming up next, the dog who ate brontosaurus..." and the picture that popped up was of a cow jumping off a cliff into a lake in a beautiful rural area that reminds me of Vermont or New York. Then the scene changes and I join the action, though the dream is still third person. I am swimming in the aforementioned lake with my cousin Mark, the cow, and a few other nameless individuals. After a bit we began to swim towards shore. Mark was ahead of me and had spit in the water, leaving a large foamy lump of saliva floating on top of the water. As I swam closer I saw the flotsam and altered my course to avoid it just before Mark hollered for me to watch out for it. I turned to see how the rest of our party was coming along and I saw the cow swimming rather strongly, doing a jerky back stroke while shooting an arc of water between its teeth. I reached the shore and started running up the beach with Mark. I looked back again to see one of our friends had just gotten out of the water. She wasn't wearing a bathing suit, but a mediaeval-ish red velvet dress with lace around the collar and an empire waist. (I don't recall thinking that this was odd at the time.) Briefly an image of the dress hanging against a blue background --as if at a museum-- popped into my mind. Then the scene changes again, and I have just entered the living room of my old house (my family moved about a year ago) to find my mom and dad and my aunt Beth and uncle Richard all watching TV. My mother was looking at a large scholarship book when I came in and she said, "I'm sorry honey, but it looks like you aren't going to have the money to go to the college you wanted to go to." I don't respond. Then there is a commercial for the Christian college I want to go to on the TV screen with some celebrities sitting in deck chairs on a beach, talking about their college education. One of the figures was a model and she was topless. She repeatedly stated that she hadn't had to pay much at all to go to school there, and every time she said it her exposed breasts would float up like balloons. When ever this happened the others in her group would solemnly nod their heads in agreement. Then the last thing I remember before waking is my dad who laughed loudly and elbowed my mom jocularly in the ribs saying, "Boy, it's a good thing I've got something like that to grab on to!" Comments by Dreamer: I'm a 17 year old senior in high school and I am considering the college mentioned in the dream, as well as searching for scholarships that would enable me to go there. Comments: I would love any comments given, especially those that I may quote for my research paper. But it is rather urgent, my paper is due in about a month. thank you! [RCW- The dreamer didn't give an address, so all replies need to go through the Electric Dreams community ezine see www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams for more information] == Question: The opinion of a public dream editor == richard and bob krummhansel, your opinion please. is there a dream journal on the internet where dreams with some sexual content can be sent? I have never sent electric dreams any dreams of mine with actual sexual descriptions. even though this obviously happens in normal dream working, most such entries in my dream log are rarely of interest to anyone not actually participating in the feel goods... you know what I mean. but last night I had a dream: 'flesh trap of american nazis' which is generally readable, and I would have sent it in to ED, except for the one paragraph which is at least hard R. actually, in film rating I think there is one X rating (the one for displayed erection). but without that one scene, the whole theme of the dream is not accurate. the american nazis prostitute their young daughters (13, maybe 14 years old) to further the cause of the fatherland. I got trapped by one who briefly did very pleasurable things to my unwilling person. there is basicly a moral theme in this, not just gratuitous humpings. what do you think? is there a venue that accepts and discusses dream material like this? perhaps a newslist of x-rated story tellers or film makers? I will send you a personal copy if you are interested in seeing what I am talking around here. maybe you can put up a note like this, and people can ask me in email individually if they really want this one, rather than official broadcast. personally I have no qualms about everyone on the internet reading about my privates, and the female here is mostly imaginary. I think you may know me well enough by now to appreciate that I study my dreams for their manifest content, no punches pulled. I just do not want to put any material into internet channels which might seem rude to prudes. stan stankuli@gulf.net . I swear it happened just like this: === a sigh, a cry, a hungry kiss, | | and the gates of love, they budged an inch, --- but nothing much has happened since. -- l cohen (1992) closing time == Response from RCW "opinion of a public dream editor" == Hi Stan, Definitely send me a copy of the dream, but I don't see any problems with putting it out because of sexual material. ED hasn't had to censor material so far. We had a discussion some time back about kids and Electric Dreams and that we saw ourselves as not wanted to censor for kids. I might send out a pre-publication notice if anyone else in the staff feels it really harm someone. - Richard ** MORE DREAM INSPIRED POETRY by Ace Boggess (990201) ** [BK- This series is presented in the order submitted by Mr. Boggess, which in typical dream fashion does not necessarily follow a right brain logical numerical sequence. Thanks for sharing a special treat with the Electric Dreams community Ace!] These poems have been previously published in Emotions, Ink Literary Review, The Sunspot, Staplegun Press, and Maelstrom. DREAM #9: RISING'S FALL The answer is The Fall by Camus, though the question is as nebulous & vast as the prize. I give the correct response, & my life takes on the illusion of ascent. I've succeeded where so many others have struggled but missed the target, coming up short. I alone claim triumph in perception's impenetrable shadows, knowing so much of so little, finding victory in collapse. The laughing man, the bartender, my grand inquisitor of fleeting, uncurable trivia, bends to avoid the light. I know him, although he lacks a face to recognize, the distinctive lines that wither his cloud of indifference. I'm set, he tells me. From here on out, no worries only joy. Then he grabs the bottle, twirls it like a wand, & pours ethereal whiskey into the cup of life. DREAM #5: PARIS With two plane tickets & no desire to fly across the sea to Paris, I lean into the spiral of detached circumstance. A pair of young women - one blonde, one brunette - both etched only in vague lines of recognition, seduce me through whispers like prayers. Here is the sermon of touch, & there the religion of warm bodies intertwined, yet neither will sacrifice at the altar of Europe. Alone, I continue on my way. & of course, I'm late getting started. It's clear I need to be at the airport five minutes ago, or perhaps yesterday. The years pass me by like old friends, & I am on the road, nowhere near my destination. The airplane awaits my arrival like death, an end for which I am the means. Let it linger there at the center of infinity. I'm trapped in motion, forever on the journey toward the journey. DREAM #2: GOLD Removed from the earth or the trunk of a car on an old movie set, the first coins, bricks, nuggets, entice the lifeless delirium, the disenchanted power of consummate possession, sirens singing the great sea into stone. & we are killing ourselves with knives like sharpened words. We wrestle in the gray dust of the transient desert, painters blemishing the complex canvas of skin with streaks of red in shades. What have I found so valuable it merits the struggle, the blood? What is it that I've uncovered in part that I cannot grasp in its entirety? The illusive ore awaits beyond perception, a bitter morsel tasted, not devoured. I should give it up, I know, before it consumes me, this implicit narcissism, the poverty of spirit, avarice & the apple empty but sweet. Failure haunts the image even in success. I have desire. I ache. I am overcome. DREAM #7: THE MURDER CON Seated by an old lover & her new love, I toast with blushing lukewarm wine, suggest discord in sighs, immutable whispers. Politics, religion, glorious incursions past the shifting borders of sexuality - the topic means as little as the words. I'm probing, urging contrast as if plotting dialectics upon human graphs. In a slow breath, the argument begins. I fall back into shadows, sidestepping the swiftness of a blade. The stranger enforces his point of view by bloodshed. Eyes colored by sulfurous flames, he grins, gives my startled enemy hell. Through complicit spiraling smoke of brimstone or cannon fire, I reemerge in degage strides, a friend, companion, one last comforter left for a woman alone. DREAM #6: LOSS FOR WORDS I seem to have misplaced my play or my last novel: the lines & lies I tell about myself dispersed like leaves drifting on a murky stream. I search the refrigerator shelves, uncertain if I left my magnum opus behind a jar of mayonnaise or that last inch of stagnant vodka in its glass liter. Did I wrap it in foil to segregate my thoughts from lettuce, the savory fruit of wisdom uneaten? Or is it there, by the technical poetry of processed cheese? No, I never find the words when needed most. I'm out of place here in the chill of industrial winter, frozen in time like prose for perpetuity. Unopened containers gather dust in monastic silence near sweet corn & canned chili, waiting to awaken: commencement of consumption. DREAM #12: ANNIE JOHNSON'S DEMO Lullaby masked in waves of rock'n'roll, I recognize the timbre & the tone, her voice, her delirious, dreaming chords seeping from speakers overhead. It's a song from Annie's demo tape, its transparent immortality as proud today in the haze & clatter of this record chain as back in '93 on an improvised stage in Calamity Cafe, her lips forming each affective note despite a throat singed by the many sweet flavors of smoke. I ask the sales clerk what it is I'm hearing. He guides me to the shelf & her cassette, slotted by the soundtrack to a movie I've never seen. I have this one, I explain, the music's continuity worth more than the image of her success. I grin madly, fading as before into a sensual fog. COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES {None this month] NEW DREAMS: PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS [Stories from past experiences, or send them in before it happens, if you can] [None this month] REPETITIVE DREAMS [Significant by nature] ** Dream: "Too Many Tornados" by Twisted Sister (990217)** I have recurring dreams (at least twice monthly) about tornados. In my dreams, I am frantically trying to gather up my family and get them to a safe place. Sometimes this even includes perfect strangers. One odd thing I have noticed is that in each dream when I try to get people to safety, it is usually in an old building or house (in disrepair mostly). I have been having these dreams for about 10 years now and have always been curious as to their meaning. Any interpretations? ** Dream: "Murder and Mayhem" by Myst (990210) ** (recurring nightmare) I'm at this woman's house. We're upstairs. She's not old, maybe in her late 30's or early 40's. I'm there, as are a brother and sister in their 20's. The kids have another older brother, Bill (30's) who's a psychopath. I've been here, done this all before, so I know where all the hidden dangers lie this time. There's a table covered with a white cloth and a dead young boy lying upon it. I ask the woman, "Why have you called us all here again (Bill made her)? We've already been through this, you know what happened the last time (everyone died except me)." Since I know what happens next, I go around to all the rooms and cut the strings on all the doors and windows that Bill has tied open and shut so that we can't escape from him. That's how he caught them all the last time. They couldn't get the doors shut or the windows open in time to escape his wrath. I use a straight blade utility knife to cut the strings. He's tied one window shut to the bottom of a bed. I have to cut the gold velvet dust ruffle to remove it. I hope the woman can find another one (velvet dust ruffle) when this is all over. Now I go back into the room with the woman. Bill has removed the boy's body from the table (just like last time). The woman hands me a book to read. It's a diary. I haphazardly read through the page she tells me to read....something about some woman. The brother and sister have joined us now. The woman tells me to read the passage again. I read it again, slowly, this time. It tells of a similar situation, only performed by the boy's grandmother. The woman points to the next room. I glance around the doorway. The boy's mother is there, sitting at the end of the table. She herself looks more than a tad unbalanced. So, it's a family thing, I muse. (the book, the info about his grandmother and the boy's mother are new to this dream) The woman then calls to Bill, who's in another (bed)room. "Bill, come on out," she coaxes. Bill steps out of the shadows. "Everybody grab a weapon," I say. I had earlier grabbed some article, for just this moment, and put it in my pocket....it's an antique and looks to be made out of whalebone. I think it's an eskimo (hair) brush. It's very worn and is L shaped. I still have the utility knife in my hand as well. I step past the woman and try to slash Bill with it (I'm not waiting for Bill to make the first move this time around). He puts up his hand and grabs it, unfazed. The knife sticks in his hand as blood runs from his wound. As he and I are still holding unto the knife, I reach behind me and grab a small (approximately 6-7") cast iron frying pan (used for decorative purposes) from a nearby desk. I whack Bill over the head with it. He looks me in the eyes, as though he's invincible. I hit him again, and then three more times. He's still standing. I fear that I will be going to jail for his murder, but I'm not going to sit here and watch an instant replay of what happened last time. Bill looks a little dazed, but is still standing. "I need to hit him at the base of his skull," I think to myself. "That will surely kill him." Just as I was about to try that, Bill says, "You can't kill me, the women are on their way." No one knew what he meant (there weren't any women the last time). No sooner had he said that, than a group of woman started up the stairs. There was an older man with them, leading the way. The woman who owned the house knew them and told them to go away, to go home, but they kept on ascending. I ran down a few of the stairs to try and stop them, so we could finish our business with Bill. As I put my hand out to hold the first woman back (a plump, older lady in her 60's with white hair), she said, "I'm pregnant." I couldn't very well shove an old, pregnant woman down the stairs, now could I? (2/9/99) (Comments by Nutcracker: Yesterday I had watched a taped episode of 20/20 from Monday night, which had a segment on recurring dreams and as luck would have it, I had one (day residue), although I'm sure I didn't recall this dream the last time I had it, when I dreamt of it last night, I knew it to be a recurring dream). ** Dream: "extra rooms" by ? (990227) ** (Repetitive dream) I often dream that my home has developed extra rooms and secret passages. All the rooms are only accessible via a tunnel of rickety ladder. In real life I am claustrophobic and wouldn't consider crawling through tunnels, but in my dreams I do. The rooms I find are full of interesting curiosity items. I feel excited like I am making wonderful discoveries. I also find a wonderful roof garden where there a few really interesting people sitting on blankets, chilling out and enjoying the company. I have this dream more and more frequently and would really love to know what it means, please help. Comments: I would love comments DREAM TRACES IN WAKING LIFE [The effects of external stimuli on our dreams or is it the other way around - our dreams leaving a trace on our physical reality?] {None this month] DEFYING CLASSIFICATION [Your stumpers may not be so mysterious to others] = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE BIRTH [Starts] CHILDHOOD [Early development] ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing] ADULTHOOD [The main event for most] OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end] DEATH [Endings] ** Question: "Death in Dreams" by Rinkii (990301)** What does it mean if you dream one or more people? I drement my mother died one day, and my father-in-law died the next day. It just seemed so real, it upset me when I awoke. Any answers? ** Dream: "MOTHER/CHILD" by SUKI (990226) ** I DREAMED THAT MY MOTHER HAD DIED. I WAS TO ARRANGE FOR HER FUNERAL IN THE OLD-FASHIONED WAY BY BATHING AND DRESSING HER. AFTER THE FUNERAL, WHERE I WAS ONE OF THE ONLY MOURNERS, I CAME BACK TO A BASEMENT WHERE I WAS DOING LAUNDRY AND WAS SITTING ON A LITTLE COT AND HOLDING THE CLOTHES I HAD TAKEN OFF HER AND CRYING. WHEN I LOOKED AT THE CLOTHES HOWEVER, THEY WERE A LITTLE GIRLS OUTFIT WITH FLOWERS AND LACE. Comments by Dreamer: I'M NOT USUALLY PUZZLED BY MY DREAMS, BUT I DON'T GET THIS ONE. COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial limits] ** Dream: "I and my dead father" by Anna (9902XX) ** February 1999 I was ill with many bubble on my skin. I called help. My father, who is dead few months ago and was a doctor, came. We both watched a mirror. I saw that my bubbles became crosses. Comments by Dreamer: I was afraid. == Commentary by gdaoust on Bubbles and Crosses (990309) == Dear Dreamers, this is a good dream here.... >"I and my dead father" by Anna > >February 1999 > >I was ill with many bubble on my skin. I called help. My >father, who is dead few months ago and was a doctor, came. >We both watched a mirror. I saw that my bubbles became >crosses. Comments by Dreamer I was afraid. ... because it shows again a Ghost of a Familiar... with a Ghost (Dream Body) of a Living... both watching in the Dream Mirror of the dual realities... the bubbles turning into crosses!!! In regards to the bubbles.... "The phenomena of Life may be likened unto a Dream, a phantasm, a "bubble", a shadow, the glistening dew, or lightning flash; and thus ought to be contemplated." (The Buddha, in "The Immutable Sutra".) ... which obviously refer to the cross symbolism which is one of the symbols of the Christos... and much older than its relationship to Jesus Christ, because Crosses were already part of the spiritual symbology thousands of years before him as a representation of the two realms as mentioned several times before... Actually, the Cross is a very old and most powerful symbol. Lama Anagorika Govinda explains the power of this symbol of supra-spiritual knowledge represented by the cross which they know as Visva...as in Visva-Vajra the Cross-Thunderbolt. "This is also expressed in Amoghasiddhi's visva-vajra, which is an intensification of Aksobhya's vajra, not merely in the sense of a reduplication, but in that of a new perspective, a new plane of activity, a new dimension. This Inner Way leads into the mystery of Amoghasiddhi, in which the inner and the outer world, the visible and the invisible, are united, and in which the spiritual takes bodily shape, and the body becomes an exponent of the spirit. For Amaghasiddhi is the Lord of the Great Transformation, whose vehicle is the Winged Man, the man in transition towards a new dimension of consciousness. He is the Lord of the element "Air" or "Wind", the principle of motion, of living breath, of life-force." (Lama Anagarika Govinda, "Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism ", published by K.P. Churamani for B.I. Publications, New Delhi, 1960, p. 262.) In simple words, the Cross represents the mastery of lives in the two worlds, indicated by the two axis... the horizontal as the samsaric world on earth and the vertical for the spiritual world. Finally, in this regard, to the Old Egyptians, for whom the Dream was the cause of Awakening to the higher reality, the Cross, the Ankh, was the symbol of the Breath of Life... and therefore the symbol of the dual realms of our immortal souls... but don't try to explain that to modern so-called scholars. :) In any cases, we can easily see that the Father of Anna is well alive in the Other Realm... no doubt. Thank You, Anna... and don't worry because all our material bodies are doomed to decrepitude, one day or another, but true eternal spiritual life begins at death. "Thou shalt understand that it is a Science most profitable, and passing all other sciences, for to learn to die. .... I shall give thee the Mystery of this Doctrine; the which shall profit thee greatly to the beginning of Ghostly Health, and to a stable fundament of all virtues." (Orologium Sapientiae- from "The Book of the Craft of Dying" ... Comper's Edition) Sincerely, G‚rald ========================================== ========================================== AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others paths] ** Dream: "Evil Dreams" by Lumnius (990325) ** I have had many dreams that I was a vampire, monster, demon, and I have often dreamed I was the devil. Usually in my dreams I am chasing people and feasting on their flesh. Comments by Dreamer: I think there is a less senister meaning behind my dreams and I am open to interpretation. What do these dreams mean? ALIENS [Visitors or visited - creatures from other dimensions] [See Xenobiology in the RELATIONSHIPS Section for an insider point of view] AMUSEMENT PARK [A place to relax and enjoy, another reality] ANGELS [Visitors from Spiritual dimensions] ANIMALS [Basic Instincts - This month: a rat, a sheep, a dark horse, a white horse and a ferocious dog. Check out a cat of prey and a dolphin in other sections.] ** Dream: "White Rat" by LilRed (990315) ** I dreamed that there was this rat, and everyone was afraid of it but me, and it came and walked up arm and sat on my shoulder, and then I felt really happy. Comments by Dreamer: What would this mean ???? Comments: it's cool ** Dream: "Sheep death" by ? (990319) ** I had a dream that I was a sheep and then a farmer shot me. Everything went black and I woke up. Can anyone please explain this? ** Dream: "white carousel horse" by Mermaid (990314)** Last night, the formerly dark horse on which I had been flying responded to scratches behind the ear, and pats, by becoming creamy coloured with golden edges. A watering can appeared in the air beside me - a child's red plastic one - and I used it to sprinkle out the fire below. The horse was still animate, but had a golden harness and bridle and a golden barley sugar twist "partial pole" as though it had been separated from its carnival carousel/ merry-go-round. ** Dream: "CrAZy Dog" by ? (990316) ** Well i was sitting there watching the tube waiting for my friend to pick me up for our nightly drinking binge. Anyway, i was sitting there and noticing that the tv was all weirded out so i thought i was dreaming and started changing the channels in my head. It was pretty kewl until i notice this dog in my room, and he was staring at a half eaten pizza on the table. And for some reason i knew that i had not fed this dog for over 3 years! Anyway, my friend knocks on the door, i answer it, and all of a sudden it sounds like a freight train is shooting through my room, but really all it is, is that damn dog running straight at my friend jumping on him and tearing off limbs from his body... Now, what i'm wondering is why didn't that dog just eat that pizza that was sitting on the table??? Comments by Dreamer: E-mail me if interested in this dream at rabelson20@hotmail.com also, is lucid dreaming a lot harder when you are drunk?? Just wondering... BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination] BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we were] ** Dream: "Dream Art" by dreambat (990312)** I am returning home from work after a long day and go into my bedroom. It's a nice, light room with access to a backyard. The many covers and sheets are bunched up and as I pull them back, I discover my girlfriend in the bed. (see note 1). I am shocked, I didn't expect her to be there, but I am glad. As I lie down, I see she has changed one the pictures on the wall and I comment. She says " What, what are you seeing?" I indulge her and begin describing the painting, an abstract collage with lots of greys and sharp lines, very nice. But now Lucy is getting weird. She says "Tell me whose signature is on the painting." I look and its kind of smudged, and I say so. Then Lucy tells me that the painting is not really there, only I can see it. I get a little confused. She says this happens to her with her lovers. All of a sudden the picture changes, its another masterpiece, but this time from another genre altogether. Its like a Rivera, very bright, golden, almost cartoon colors of a young girl, maybe a girl in catholic school in paris, and very dark or no background. I tell Lucy about this as she continues to say that her lovers do this, they see the pictures she will paint before she paints them. Several other pieces appear, each masterpieces. I see one that isn't at all like her style, its more like my own, and she smiles and says that is just what happens when people are in relationships, things get mixed up. Several other pictures occur at various spots around the room. I am flabergasted and overwhelmed by how beautiful they all are. When I woke up, I had a panic attack. I had to get up, turn on lights, close closet doors and look under the bed. note 1: My girlfriend is just like Lucy Berliner, the character played by Ally Sheedy in the film "high art" by cholodenko. I am not myself in the dream, I am Lucy's young lesbian lover, Sid, played by radha mitchell. Lucy is also a bit like Sigorny Weaver, esp in the first Alien movie. If you are not familiar with the film "high art" , Sid is a young assistant editor trapped in a no-where job for an avant-garde photography magazine. One night there is a drip from the ceiling and she finds upstairs a group of bohemians, one being the once famous lucy berliner, who a kind of been-there done-that burn out stuck in a relationship with an old german dancer. They form the core of a group that spends most of its time taking heroin. Sid and Lucy hit it off and begin a creative adventure together of mutual support. Sid gets Lucy to do a show- layout for the magazine and Lucy helps Sid get a better position in the company. The overall mood of the film is sensuous. note 2: I am male, but in the dream I see to be Sid, Lucy's lover. Its not clear in the dream that it is actually Sid and Lucy, but there characters, or close to them. I can only say I know I was Sid intuitively, I felt like I was her, but never saw myself in a mirror. dreambat BOOKS (Extensions of our memory and imagination, our permanent records) ** Dream: "books and numbers" by Mermaid (990316)** Books and numbers - the 7 tree. Mermaid 5am Tuesday16 March 1999 The image of a tree clipped to be the shape of number 7 won't leave my mind. in last night's dream , I was "looking over someone's shoulder" onto a white book with black printing on it. This someone was a man I think, a mentor who was advising me how to treat my "dream characters". My focus was not on the words, but on the pictures, which were like dream vignette within the dream itself. The first of these was a young girl , with dark hair in two pigtails, with blue satin ribbons in them, wearing a Victorian era pinafore-dress who stared in wonderment at a beautiful golden-edged tree, clipped to look like the number 7 in reverse. The girl was only admiring the tree in and of itself, until someone pointed out that the 7 was back to front. As soon as the girls reverie was shaken, the tree turned around so that it was now a 7 the right way around. *** I wasn't properly paying attention to the verbal description of the next picture, which was also about numbers. That felt to be something peripheral; for the "future". It was some way of working out an antidote to poisoning a dog, or avoiding giving it poison. mermaid BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from here to there] CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous] CLOTHING [What we wear tells us about ourselves and the events we participate in] COMEDY [With an accent on puns, funny situations or jokes] COMMUNICATIONS [From telepathic to devices to signs & symbols] COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools, communication] CULTS [Somewhere out there ...] DIRECTIONS [Ever stop and ask for directions? North, South, East, West, up, down, ahead, behind, straight, turn, right, left, make a circle, cross, go through, open, close, mix, add, boil, cook, simmer, but most of all - follow these instructions carefully...and don't be shy about asking someone else down the path, except, of course, for the Big Bad Wolf!!!] ==Commentary by Heratheta on 41 dreams of this ED(9903XX)== From: Heratheta@aol.com Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n044 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:44:23 EST reunion drm-peace had lain to the right of the show if you had avoided becoming "but" cheating-peace had lain to the right of the front of school if you had avoided becoming "well" murder-peace had lain to the right of the bill if you had avoided becoming "deep" score-peace had lain to the right of out of town if you had avoided becoming "between" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:46:04 EST peace had laoin to the right of the port hole if you had avoided becoming "totally" Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n046 jesus drm-peace had lain to the right of the boat if you had avoided becoming "known" Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n047 Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 05:53:30 EST peace had lain to the right of the people if you had avoided making yourself or others frantic Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n050 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:58:20 EST peace had lain to the right of walmart if you had avoided "seemed" until the next dream Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n052 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 02:56:25 EST peace had lain to the right of the horse if you had avoided becoming dark Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n053 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 03:08:47 EST rooms drm-peace had lain to the right of the rooms if you had avoided becoming "only" oblivion drm-peace had lain to the right of the forest if you had avoided becoming "suddenly" titanic drm-peace had lain to the right of the titanic if you had avoided becoming "comforting" Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n054 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:36:49 EST flight drm-peace had lain to the right of the landing spot if you had avoided becoming "missed" dying drm-peace had lain to the right of the parents if you had avoided becoming "just so real" Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n055 Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:05:59 EST dead mother drm-peace had lain to the right of mother if you had avoided becoming "was to " Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n056 Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:32:25 EST monkey drm-peace had lain to the right of the apartment if you had avoided becoming "sometimes" the bible !, yes!, victoria, there is such mention of peace in the new testament jesus a number of times removed himself from the struggles in his locale to seek peace in the desert and as you know i have been directing dreamers to peace. peace is a right turn away from your dream. the term rightous is often used in the bible too. it is no coincidence. Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n057 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:33:56 EST bubble drm- peace had lain to the right of your skin if you had avoided "many" sandstone drm-peace had lain to the right of the trail if you had avoided becoming "quite" Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n058 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:34:07 EST pope drm-peace had lain to the right of dark rooms if you had avoided "confusion" lover drm-peace had lain to the right of the same area if you had avoided becoming "only" blood drm-peace had lain to the right of rooms if you had avoided becoming "plastered". spending some time out of rooms is a good way to find out which rooms. also, i charted every day the direction which was a right turn from my dream and wrote that direction down on a calender and found a pattern which was likely to continue. however, if you are faced with no clue as to where your dream might be you still have the enquoted words above which are your impressions of the dream to avoid and this is what you would know you didn't want in yourself that day. you can walk all directions with this knowledge suspecting to meet the enquoted anywhere. if you know you were indoors there is open sky to the right of rooms. Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n060 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:11:59 EST rookie drm-peace had lain to the right of the law officer if you had avoided becoming 'experienced". Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n061 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:28:54 EST e drm-peace had lain to the rght of the "e' if you had avoided becoming up all night gruesome drm-peace had lain to the right of the TV if you had avoided becoming "like" art drm-peace had lain to the right of the bed if you had avoided becoming "shocking" let me say if you will that i sleep with my head facing to the right of my previous dream's location and continue to change throughtout the night as the dream's location changes. this seems to make some sense out of why we toss and turn in our sleep, that is, we try to escape to the right of our dreams naturally. if we would allow this natural tendency to completion and not sleep in the same position i'm sure reoccurring dreams would be alleviated. remembering to do the same when we awake is more difficult but worth while i think. Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n062 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:49:51 EST horse drm-peace had lain to the right of the horse if you had avoided becoming responsive. Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n063 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:17:00 EST series drm-peace had lain to the right of right if you had avoided becomint "found" missing teeth drm-peace had lain to the right of the son if you had avoided becoming "unbelievable" rat drm-peace had lain to the right of the rat if you had avoided becoming "only you are not afraid of" books drm-peace had lain to the right of the shoulder if you had avoided becoming "mentor" Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n065 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:30:27 EST no longer drm-peace had lain to the right ofthe guy if you had avoided becoming "felt" love dream- peace had lain to the right of the theatre if you had avoided becoming something others "couldn't keep their eyes off of Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n066 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:20:28 EST fall drm-peace had lain to the right of the tower if you had avoided becoming 'above" sheep drm-peace had lain to the right of the farmer if you had avoided becoming a shooter kiss drm-peace had lain to the right of the house if you had avoided becoming "couldn't seem to get" crazy drm-peace had lain to the right of the tv if you had avoided becoming "weirded out" Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n068 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:50:30 EST brkup drm-peace had lain to the right of the girl if you had avoided angering yourself or others luminous drm-peace had lain to the right of the flesh if you had avoided becoming a feast cats drm-peace had lain to the right of the woods if you had avoided becoming alone dolphin drm-peace had lain to the right of the blue deep ocean if you had avoided making yourself or others proud integrating drm-peace had lain to the right of the wardrobe if you had avoided becoming loud more at the dream hot-line www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments] DREAMING [Dreams about dreaming] DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?] EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth and pleasure] ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button or else...] ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!] EVENTS [The activity defines or dominates the story - a convergence of people at a place and time for a special purpose] EYES [The organs of sight...the window to the soul...] FEAR [What scares us] ** Dream: "Blood on the Wall" by V (990307)** I dream that there was blood plastered on a wall all over could not determine which room. I am worried. It was a morning dream. Comments by Dreamer: Please interpret for me . I am a woman with one son Comments: I would like your interpretation. ** Dream: "Gruesome" by ? (990312) ** My boyfriend had a dream last night that we had both taken an 'E' and been up all night, I apparently said to him that the 'E' was crap because it only worked for two hours, then he said "no, we've been going for 14 hours, think about it - all the things we've done couldn't have been in two hours". Then we were climbing over some rocks, next to the beach, with another couple. I went to go under a large flat rock, as I couldn't climb over it, as did the other girl. The rock then slipped and fell on top of us both. My boyfriend went to pick up the rock, and it shrank to enable him to do this, and he threw it away from us. The other girl had lost one whole arm, and half of the other one and both of her legs, but there was no blood. I had lost my arm from just below the elbow and there was blood all over the place. My boyfriend picked up the other girl, who weighed nothing, and gave her to her boyfriend, saying "I'm sorry" he then went and fetched our belongings from the beach and ran to me, I had apparently crawled to the beach. There was alot of blood all over the place, and there were lots of other people who wouldn't do anything to help him. He then lay down next to me on the beach, holding me, and then I died. Comments by Dreamer: What does this mean ?!?! Permission to Comment yes_share_comments ** Dream: "A Dream of a Fall...and a little more." by Sir JaX (990315) ** 3-15-99 AROUND 1:00 AM I was atop a tower thousands of feet above the earth. I stood there on the edge, holding my breath. I peered over the edge of the tower and an icy wind rushed up at me. A longing feeling pulled me closer I wanted to feel the wind rush around me. I jumped. The howling wind engulfed me as I rushed towards the earth. Anticipating the stop that never seemed to come, I turned on to my back and watched the tower grow higher and higher. The sting of the wind bit at my flesh and the sound was unbearable. I knew the ground must be near, but I never hit I kept falling. The sun high in the sky mocked me as the speed of my fall increased. I started to spin like a disk rotating slowly until my head was pointing towards the tower. The clouds winked the sun in and out of existence. I was growing numb. I blacked out and the icy wind jolted me back in to my fall. SLAM All went dark. I open my eyes and looked to my side, the concrete was fractured and quaking from my fall. Strangely I felt no pain. Comments by Dreamer: It was a very very vivid dream ... I could remember almost every thing that had happend...when i awoke i was not sure i had been asleep [...This dream is part of the dream-flow project to proliferate dream sharing on the Internet. If you would like your comments to get back to the dreamer, put them in the dream flow. YOu can do this by entering you comments in the form at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple - Richard] FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment] FIRE [Flames bring light, heat and destruction/transformation] FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective] ** Dream: "The Flight" by Taylor (990212) ** February 12, 1999 6:00 a.m. I was flying, (without a plane), I could see the countryside. I missed my landing place and ended up in some farmer's field (didn't know him). I was walking on his property. I saw a team of horses hitched to a circular watering hole, (it looked like they were all yoked to the watering hole), as they walked around in a circle causing water to come through the pipes on the ground. I saw some kids (didn't know them) who lived there and one of them was an excellent skater. I knew I had to get back to where I had gotten off track. The same farmer told me I could walk, but I looked down at my feet and I was barefoot. Suddenly, I was back in the air, hoping I could get back on course again. I did. Then I saw the person (dream character) I had been traveling with. We came close to where we were suppose to land. I awoke. Comments by Dreamer: I had this dream a week after returning from a workshop where I gained some personal insight into a work related problem. This inward change has effect this situation in a positive manner and opened new doors for me. GIFTS [Offerings to or from others] HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING THINGS HOLIDAYS [Time off to ...] HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair] HOUSE [Where our lives take place] ** Dream: "extra rooms" by ? (990227) ** (Repetitive dream) I often dream that my home has developed extra rooms and secret passages. All the rooms are only accessible via a tunnel of rickety ladder. In real life I am claustrophobic and wouldn't consider crawling through tunnels, but in my dreams i do. The rooms I find are full of interesting curiosity items. I feel excited like I am making wonderful discoveries. I also find a wonderful roof garden where there a few really interesting people sitting on blankets, chilling out and enjoying the company. I have this dream more and more frequently and would really love to know what it means, please help. Comments: i would love comments HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event location] JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -explorations] ** Dream:"What I Did In My Dream Last Night" by Nutcracker (990224) ** (this dream has five different parts that all run together) 1) I had been to Wal-Mart the day before and bought some clothes for my nieces. For whatever reason, I did not take the clothes home with me and returned for them the following day. Upon coming back to get my purchases from the previous day, I found yet more items of clothing for my nieces (some sweatshirts for $5 each, I bought 3 for each of them). These purchases I had in hand. I then looked for a clerk to find my purchases from yesterday. One woman (in her 40's with short brown hair) asked a younger female clerk (Tara Lipinsky/ice skater) to go and retrieve my other items, which she did. I could see her standing in the middle of a busy aisle, trying to get a plastic bag over the hangers, with a great deal of difficulty. As I wait for her to finish, I continue looking around the store. It seems like it's taking forever. I go to the front of the store to the customer service desk. I ask the clerk what time they close and she replies, "9:30 p.m." It's 9:25 p.m. now. I tell her I'm waiting for my purchases and she sends some guy (Lorenzo Lamas/actor) to help me find them. We head to the back of the store, where I last saw Tara with my items. Lorenzo takes me to the back of the store, where only employees are allowed, then he leaves me there. "I knew you didn't want to help me. You just want to leave because it's closing time." I wander back out into the store, only to find it's still open for business. Now it's open until midnight. 2) I leave the store and am now at a restaurant/bar with my friend Gail, another woman (unknown at this point) and Anthony Geary (Luke/General Hospital). We're all at the bar, having a drink. Luke's had one too many and is becoming raucous. Us three women are there for a meeting and leave to go to the dining room, where we meet with our party. Gail leaves her purse and coat on a chair, next to Luke. I grab my purse and then look for my denim shirt (which I wear like a coat). I find it on a chair next to Luke also. I take it and tell him I think he's had enough to drink. Then I leave. 3) After the dinner meeting, Gail, Luke, myself and the other woman (now known as Happy (her nickname), her real name is Liz - tho in real life it's an acquaintance of mine) leave and get in the same car. Happy takes some pictures out of her purse and shows us the new house she's just purchased. It's on an island (Bar Island) in New Jersey. It used to be a business of some sort. The house is of great expanse; 3-stories, a white clapboard colonial. She invites us all to come and see it. We go to her house and Happy takes us on a tour, room by room. Not all of the rooms have been renovated as yet, but a great deal has been accomplished. The rooms that have been redone, are fabulously restored to their original elegance (red/gold brocade wallpaper, crystal chandeliers). We're upstairs on the second level. Happy takes us into one of the smaller rooms, which is still quite large. It's a bathroom. It's painted garishly in a black, purple and white abstract design. I rather quite like it. The walls are also abstract in shape (odd shaped dormers for windows and skylights). It's a kooky little room. I call out to Happy, "Liz," I say, as I notice her figure. She had recently had breast reduction surgery and I feel she's still larger than she perhaps would have liked. "How are you feeling?" It's been a month since her surgery. A friend had told me she was now a B cup in size, but she looks larger than that to me. 4) After leaving Happy's house. I find myself (now without the others) on a road (seems like the Pacific Coast Highway in California) with John Larroquette and some of his friends (all rich, snobby types). They're all dressed up in black tie attire, drinking champagne while parked on the highway, next to a hillside. John has pictures from his latest trip and gives them to me to look at. I take the pictures and climb to the top of the hillside to view them. He has pictures of the Watergate Hotel. Someone says he was trying to get pictures of people in their apartments in compromising positions. There are several pictures where it appears someone is having a party, but it's hard to make out any of the people. I think I'll write "Lewinsky-gate' on the backs of those photos (because that's where Monica Lewinsky lives). I put those pictures aside and continue looking at the others. The rest of his photos appear to be of wildflowers and when you hold them up to look at them, they become real. I start my descent down the hill to join the others. All of the wildflower pictures are 'open' (in real life mode) and I'm carrying them in my arms. They are stacked so high, I can barely see where I'm walking. As I near the bottom of the hill, I think I spot a skunk in the brush and divert myself to the right to avoid it. It turns out to only be a black and white house cat. 5) Now I'm back in the car with my friend Gail (who's in the back seat) and a (female) friend of hers (who is driving). It seems like we're in the Arizona desert. I want to tell them about my shopping experience at Wal-Mart, but think to myself they might think I'm cheap for shopping there, so I don't say anything. I don't know (or can't remember) where we're going, but there's a place I'd like to take (show) them instead. It's a special place - a place where you can see God. It's in the opposite direction of where we're headed. The clue to getting there is that you have to drive very fast. Not fast in the sense of time, but fast as in speed. To get there you must drive very fast until you see this large grayish/purple opaque cube shape in the middle of the road and then you'll be in the presence of God (spiritually, not physically). (2/22/99) LOST [Disorientation or abandonment] LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors the dreamer] LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep] ** Dream: "The Kiss" by FyreSong (990320) ** I was at the house of my current obsession and I couldnt seem to get him away from everyone. He could tell that I really wanted to be alone with him, so he made everyone leave. We went into his living room and for some strange reason, we were blowing in each others faces,when we moved closer and closer together. I ended up kissing him, which he resisted at first, but then went along with it. Then, I realized I had to rush off to do something, so I kissed him again and took off. Later on, I saw him at school and he acted like we were joined at the hip. It felt wonderful to me, but at the same time I was kind of annoyed. Comments by Dreamer: I woke up really dissapointed that it wasnt real, because this guy is not interested in me in that way. If you can interpret this it would really help me. I am kind of disturbed by this dream. LUCID DREAMING [Knowing you are Dreaming when you are Dreaming] MEMORY [Remembering ...In dreams we often struggle with the issue of memories and remembering a dream which by definition involves the process of recollection.] MIRRORS [Reflection of Self] MUSIC [Melodies of the land within] NUDITY [What you see is what you get] PERFORMERS [Entertainers] PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes present choices] POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of power] RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves including family which constitutes the first and earliest of our relationships, often influencing how we relate to the outside world] ** Dream: "Integration" by Tanith (990215) ** I am in a bed getting ready to go to sleep - the phone rings, I pick it up and loud music is coming down the line. I replace the phone and settle to try to sleep. A loud noise comes from within the wardrobe - I get up to look and discover a video recorder and other electric appliances have fallen off the shelf. I settle in bed to sleep again when I hear a loud crashing sound from downstairs. I get up to investigate. I walk out to the landing and my small daughter is walking up the stairs towards me. I go towards her with my arms out and ask her what she is doing. As she comes closer I realize it is not my daughter after all - the body is a childs but the face is quite different,it is that of an older woman. As she walks into my arms she seems to go right inside of me - I look around for her, but she is gone. Then I am hurtling down a long black and white corridor where the floors ceiling and walls mingled into one like a round tunnel. I then awake in bed feeling very shaken up and my heart pounding. Comments by Dreamer: For a few days after this dream I was very spaced out - almost high. ** Dream: "Unfaithful Lover" by Bill (990307) ** My girlfriend recently moved away. We decided we were gonna try to maintain a long distance relationship. Recently though, i had a dream that she moved back to the same area as me. The only problem was, i found out because she walked in on me and one of her good friends kissing. What does this dream mean. If u could help me i would really appreciate it. == Commentary by RCW on "Bill's Unfaithful Lover" (990307)== Cheating boyfriends, girlfriends, husbands, wives, and other lovers. Common Dreams Series by Richard Catlett Wilkerson Dream: " I was just getting back from the store when I looked in my bedroom window and saw by boyfriend in bed with my best friend." Dreams of cheating partners are very common and often give us a jolt. Since we have all heard that dreams might predict the future or reveal deeper meanings, the fear arises that our lovers might be cheating on us. Usually this is unfounded. Here are some questions I ask myself: 1. How likely is this to be literally true? If it is likely, I would confront my lover, not by saying I had caught her in a dream, but that I had a dream about it and tell the lover my fears. 2. If its *not* likely, I would see the people in the dreams as parts of myself. Carl Jung saw the act of sex as a symbol of union. So if my wife Cassidy, who is a very thoughtful type, was in bed with my friend Bill, who is very emotional, I might ask myself what would happen if I joined my own thoughtful side with my emotional side? As you can see, this technique works just as well for myself. That is, if I dream I am cheating on my lover, but would never do this in waking life, then it is an opportunity for me to join with some of the characteristics of the dream lover. If Brenda is a hard working person and I'm more of a happy go lucky guy, I can use the dream to explore what it would be like to mix these qualities in my life. These unexpected unions in dreams can lead some very positive growth once we get over the belief that they might be literally true. - Richard rcwilk@dreamgate.com ** Dream: "Betrayal after Breakup" by Jeri (990325) ** Hi. I've recently broken up with my girlfriend, and we've been getting along great since we broke up. she wants to get back together but im not sure if i want to. Just recently I've been having a few weird dreams. They start off with us being together as friends, but we're being sexually active (we have done this in real life too since we broke up)and then I find out shes with someone else. Even though I know we are broke up in the dream, I get very angery. What do these dreams mean? ** Dream: "confusion" by ? (990322) ** I'm always in a small room, just me and micheal(my boyfriend), and he always gives me something. A rose one time, but now it's spiders. He tells me how much he misses me and that he's glad I'm back. Then the room we're in explodes like in the movies, and I wake up crying sometimes. Comments by Dreamer: I have the same kind of dream like all the time. Does that mean something significant? ** Dream: "xenobiology/sandstone of new mexico" by stan kulikowski ii (990305) ** =( had to work late in class prep for friday classes tomorrow. spent the afternoon and evening finishing the grading of the midterm from last week and recording the grades from their third programming assignment. at 19:30, i had to run down to barnes and noble where i met three students to teach them how to play cosmic wimpout, their fourth programming assignment this term. then back home to work on more grading. about 23:30 i got the programming class done to start evaluating the student web pages for the web design class. i quit about 01:00 with about 2/3 of the class done. some the students have very minimal work done, something that shows less than an hour for real work, leaving me to wonder what they have been doing all term with about 18 hours of class time. i get to sleep, feeling tired about 02:00, somewhat early for me but maybe i will feel better awake then tomorrow. )= there are few trees in this stretch of trail, but quite a few people hiking. we are converging upon a designated campsite maintained by the forestry and parks division. i must stop with all the other hikers or risk discovery. i really do not need the rest as they do. my alien enhanced metabolism can continue for days with little or no sleep, but people become agitated if they notice that i am rather different from what they expect. so i stop and make the appearance of needing what they need. i am accustomed to performing within the limits of others. i have been taking this hiking trip to observe the windswept sculpture of desert sandstone in this region of new mexico. while i walk along the trail i have been concentrating on an obscure problem in xenobiology. how to synthesize the blood preservative which augments nitrogen scrubbing in weightless environments. one problem with prolonged human existence in space is that nitrogen compounds dissipate from the blood too quickly, giving a sort of reverse 'bends' condition to longterm astronauts. bone marrow needs proper nitrogen supply to maintain its structure or suffer weakness, eventually collapse, when returning to a gravity well after years of deep space voyaging. we have learned of a genetic method to counter this problem in species with calcium based skeletons, but can not get human dna to construct the alternate biosynthesis. the campsite is overly crowded and i try to avoid much contact with the other hikers. my backpack is light weight and streamlined. fortunately, desert hiking in this season requires less gear because of the absence of rain or cold. water is the main weight requirement and my metabolism now needs very little of that, its recycling more efficient than nature gave to humans. i take a slim jim out of my gear and sit at an empty picnic table beside the trail. it does not remain empty for long. a man comes over and sits to my left. apparently he is too tired to say anything to me. i take on some of his weariness without him noticing. he begins to perk up right off and does not wonder why. it helps me to maintain my cover if i look tired so i do not mind the extra burden of adjusting some of his muscular condition to myself. i can shed this feeling rather easily. i bite into the slim jim, being careful to suck out the meat inside without breaking the outer casing with my teeth. now, susan dick comes along with a male companion, i assume her husband. they sit down an the other side of the picnic table, her across from the man sitting beside me. i pretend not to notice, staring ahead in the tired blank stare of the weariness i borrowed. i suck some more on the slim jim. susan starts saying something to the man to my left, i do not hear what it is at the start, but it ends up with "... and what am i supposed to do? ignore the man i used to care for or hide from his awareness?" she is saying this to him while looking at me. there is an uncomfortable silence. i perceive that i am expected to say something in response. "i am sorry." i clear my throat unaccustomed to speaking very much anymore. "i did not hear what you said. but i can assure you that i would give up my life and go down into the earth for even a moment of your favor. i have lost all such tender mercies years ago and only appear not to need them anymore." the weight of the borrowed weariness seems much greater now. =( the alarm goes off 08:30. i am awake with a lot to do today, feeling rather tired, but this is the worst time of day for me. in an hour or so my daily rhythm will probably kick in. the weariness felt in the dream seems the same as what i feel now upon waking. i seem to be having these residuals from the dreamstate lately, the feeling from the dream remaining after i wake up. well, i have to hurry now and get ready for lecture all day. )= stankuli@gulf.net === qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit | | who not is today, tomorrow less suitable will be --- -- Ovid _Remedia Amoris_ i 94 ** Dream: "monkey flesh" by SK (990303) ** DATE : 3 mar 1999 08:08 DREAM : monkey flesh =( still behind in course preparation, i spent most of the evening writing a couple lab sheets for the web programming classes coming up in a couple weeks. i also have a midterm from last friday to grade, two programming assignments to process and the www design course needs evaluations done on twenty web sites created by the students. all this to be done in the next three days. i quit any serious work around 0100, being mentally fatigued, but could not get to sleep until about 0300. i read magazines to unwind for a couple hours. )= it is sometimes strange the things we do for friendship. i think this looking up at john hunter's apartment. it is a collection of scaffolding and platforms suspended by chains from the ceiling of warehouse, some forty meters above us. about four stories i would guess. porter welbourne, my high school chum, have stopped in here to visit with john as he has been asking us to stop by and see where he has moved. john is just stepping away from his car after a day at work. he has parked in the dusty area near the large open door of the warehouse. there are several other cars parked there besides ours. he looks glad to see us as he approaches. "i have some things i want you to try." he says to porter as he comes up. as we approach the base of the scaffolding where some slat stairs start the climb up, a young pretty woman comes out from around the pipes. "john" she says with a quavering voice. "didn't you really love me? you said you did but now you never return my calls." she has a thin waif look about her, like winona ryder. her short dark hair trembles with her voice as she stares back at john. "i gave you everything i could. my virginity meant something to me. you know that and you took it anyway." john swallows hard, obviously uncomfortable. "i know. but it was not working out for me... for us." he stammers, looking around as if for escape. "i thought with intimacy our affection would grow deeper, but instead it merely completed them so nothing remained. i did not know this could happen. always before, sex made things better." he avoids looking at her, but it is obviously that this confirmation of her fears has stung her. she turns away without saying anything further. i want to say something that may help or console either of them, but i can not think of anything that does not sound like a platitude. "well, that sucks." says john with resignation. "let's go on up." he and porter start up the stairs. i go over to the girl and touch her on the shoulder. she turns around, tears washing out of her over large eyes. "i know this sounds hard right now." i say, butting in where i have no business. "some things do not work out as we would have them, and sometimes we carry those consequences with us for the rest of our lives. but even then, it does eventually become easier again. a love that was lost never really heals, but we go on to discover other things. maybe not love exactly, but something at least to while away the time. these things never seem to mean as much without that one who was lost, but they do mean something at least. it is possible to bear these wounds several times over. eventually the hurting stops, and we just go on." i am not sure what import these sentiments are supposed to carry, but something resonates in me for her plight. she sniffs hard and looks away. i start up the loose stairs. the girl hurries by me. "i left something up there that i want back." she says, showing me the way up. the stairs end quickly and we have to take ladders and sometimes use the scaffolding poles directly. it does not seem to matter which path you choose as it all goes up to john's living quarters at the top. "well, this is not so difficult." i lie as the structures start to sway slightly as we get higher and the additive tolerances of each lower joint gives play to the upper regions. "this part is not so good." she tells me without affect, hopping across a void to a platform which is suspended from the roof rather than supported from below. the drop if you miss the landing over there would easily break bones, if not kill you. i jump over. the platform is surprisingly solid and the jump viewed from this side no longer looks so big. i feel a small surge of gratitude for being now inside john's place. i suppose you would get used to this after a while, like living in a tree house. since there are no walls to the various levels of floorings and chains, we can see all across the living spaces. john and porter are a couple of stages up over to one side. john gives her a patient, we-can-still-be-friends look with little hope in his eyes. the woman looks away, finds a small stuffed animal near the slightly rusted kitchen sink. she gives me a tear moist kiss on the cheek, probably to display bravado more than anything else, and starts down the scaffolding. the various platform levels sway just barely when i walk from one to another, but not enough to feel infirm or to threaten balance, just enough to give a curious tingle. john hands me a hash pipe when i get over to them. i take a couple puffs and it tastes really thick. "i want you to try the monkey meat." he says. "i do not know how they treat it, but it is really psychedelic." porter has already sampled the recreational confection and has a large, slightly enhanced smile on his face, like he has heard a joke that no one else has understood yet and he is anticipating them doing so. with a mischievous twinkle in his eye, he leaps off the platform into raw space. i startle, thinking he will fall to his death, but instead he hooks his arm into the wheel of a bicycle hanging a little way over and swings back and forth over there. he looks happy. john has taken up two cubes of freeze dried meat from a work bench. he breaks open the plastic shrink wrap of one. the meat is heavily marbled white and brown, not at all what i would have expected. i had supposed primate meat to be rather lean. with some difficulty, john slices off a wafer thin piece with a knife. "do this in remembrance of me." he says with a smile, placing the wafer on my tongue. it has that dry bland taste of a eucharist. i let it dissolve in my mouth. rather quickly i get a buzz. that peripheral tingly sensation and slight dryness of the palate. this is not an overpowering debilitation of some drugs, just a nice background glow strumming along the nerves, augmented by every movement and thought. i think we should have some interesting conversations with the leaps of free associations when the normal constraints of social expectation are eased. i wonder what they fed these monkeys in zaire, or where ever this neurologic spice came from. they eat green monkeys in nigeria, i recall. like a kid with a new toy, john looks at me as the psychedelic glow spreads from my eye to everything around. a slight layering of neon colors added to everything i see. "come see my pet snake." he says, dragging me over to another 'room' platform. this one has many lush foliage plants in brass pots. i can almost see the bronze vernier tarnishing in the atmosphere. john starts preparing a large capsule of thick white liquid, like the sap of a milkweed plant. once he has closed the drippy capsule, he places into the mouth of a large albino constrictor curled up in the corner. as the snake swallows its vitamin capsule, i can see a light coming from out of its mouth which seems to extend a long way down its throat. the snake makes an angry hiss looking at me like i am not supposed to see the mystic fire at the center of its soul. the white snake comes over to me and coils once around my body. i am not worried as it will quickly discover that i can be trusted with its secrets. the scales on its body are unexpectedly large and rough, the white having a yellow tinge up close. perhaps the yellow is from the drug, i can not tell. i scratch its head, but then realize that scratching is a pleasure sensation to mammals, not reptiles. i massage the muscles behind its jaw and the creature puffs up with delight. "we had to amputate its fangs" john tells me. "this species has a venom, unlike other constrictors." i can see where the end of its snout has been cruelly cut off. that may explain the snake's anger at me watching it eat. my curious fingers sooth the blunt ends of its mutilated mouth, almost on their own. my index finger picks up a slight scratch from one of the other teeth in the snake's mouth. "are you sure it was venom that was poisonous or just the saliva?" i look at the scratched finger, a little worried. i know that vipers with hollow injection fangs have evolved selective toxins while it is just the saliva with gila monsters. =( i awake at 07:39, glad to be up so early, ahead of the alarm by an hour. the odd euphoria of the drugs remain with me once awake, and i lay there enjoying the feeling for about ten minutes. it seems good to get a recreational buzz without actually taking any chemicals to achieve it. this false high does not last very long, returning me to normal consciousness. porter welbourne was a high school friend, now a medical doctor. i rarely hear from him. this john hunter was one of my best friends for a few years in amherst, but he abruptly quit me and later married my last wife, sheila, when she divorced me. there was not any romantic connection between them when i was around, as they said they tolerated each other because i cared for them both. they seemed to click as soon as i was out of the picture. john did live in an apartment above a garage, but it had normal walls and furnishings. )= stankuli@gulf.net === qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit | | who not is today, tomorrow less suitable will be --- -- Ovid _Remedia Amoris_ i 94 ** Dream: "Series of sharing diseases" by Julie (990314) ** On Sunday, March 14, 1999 at 14:28:27, the following data was submitted from http://www.dreamgate.com/Form_processor/form_processor.cgi Dream Title: Series of sharing diseases--Julie Date of Dream: 03/14/99 early a.m. hours In reality, my fiancee has multiple sclerosis and I have bipolar disorder, but in the last two weeks, in dreamtime, our conditions have been switched. No matter where we are, what we're doing or who we're with, I find myself limping and hardly able to use my left side, while he has major mood swings and has a constant supply of medications with him. The last one involved a large public space, a university campus, with a lot of guards and modern police around. I believe there was a sporting event going on. I had fallen down a hill with dried grass all over it, and was trying to pull myself up the hill but the grass kept breaking off in my hands. My fiancee was running around trying to get the police to pull me up over the side of the hill. While this was going on, my entire body felt like it had been shocked with electricity, much like my fiancee's must feel in reality. They succeeded in pulling me up the hill, but by that time it was dark and a lot of spot lights had come on. I was barely able to walk to keep up with the people around us and my moody bratty fiancee decided to say, "Meet me at this restaurant, " and left me to fend for myself in the crowd. I fell again and had to drag myself through the raucous crowd at foot level. No one bothered to help. I made it to he restaurant, a normal TGI Friday's or whatever style, and we ate a lot, more that either of us would in reality. We also drank a lot. After this, I don't know how as neither of us was driving, we made it back to the dorms, which were all in shades of pastel yellow and pink. There were communal bathrooms and we were trying to find a place to relieve ourselves, but all of the bathrooms were full of girls who did not look old enough to be in college. They were engaged in various sex acts (another constant feature of my recent dreams) and we watched for a while. Neither of us was turned on or acted upon their actions. Upon getting to an empty bathroom that was decorated in blue ... Comments by Dreamer: My fiancee and daughter have been traveling for the last week and I have not seen them. They are visiting his family in Utah, and we live in Wisconsin. My daughter is 2 years old. She has alomst never appeared in my dreams. This last dream in particular, my body was such as i had never been pregnant (no stretch marks, no varicosities, etc.) I have attended colleges in my adult life but none that resembled the one that i saw in this dream. RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual] ** Dream: "MeKenzie" by ? (990209) ** I was on the boat--- rafter, and there were Jesus and our Heavenly Father. I knew I was supporting Jesus and Heavenly Father. --- Then all of a sudden... somehow, Father drowned and I dived and found him, and brought him to surface. I knew he was died... but somehow, I knew that he is still alive. While I was holding my Heavenly Father in my arms, I looked up in the sky and heard a voice... "This is my daugher" and my dream was inspirated with good feelings. I smiled and looked at Jesus. He was happy. It was like Jesus and Heavenly Father are so close to me. Comments by Dreamer --- I can't explain... it's too complex and... sacred for words to explain it, but I hope you will understand what I am trying to say. I want to know what my dream means. ** Dream: "Papal Visit" by fest (990307) ** I'm in college with a friend of mine. I don't know what the room is, but it's dark. The pope is here. It's very confused, but I'm disappointed that more people haven't turned up. I cheer and applaud. Now, there's a coffin. I know there's a woman in it but we suspect that there's someone else in there too. JPII puts his hand on the coffin (which is white). I can feel a certain strength. A kind of psychic energy. The coffin opens and a woman is in there with her daughter. My friend an I are walking back to the library. Now, I'm in a Park in town. I meet two friends of mine. It's bright and sunny but I'm tired because I was at that thing last night. On our way back to college we pass through an arcade/home. A pagan friend of mine is there and I nod and smile in recognition. He salutes me. I think there's a river nearby. Comments by Dreamer: I consider myself to be an ex-catholic and that my spirituality is most closely akin to paganism, but in this dream I was the popes biggest fan. Before going to sleep I was reading and there was a reference to Catholic identity. Also, last friday I had a conversation with a Christian friend of mine about the conversion experiences of Born Agains. ** Dream:"Quit While You're A Head" by Nutcracker(990221)** I don't know where I am, but I'm sitting next to (the right of) the Pope and there is some other man (a priest) to my right. We're sitting in a pew. I'm not sure why we're where we are, if we're to put on a presentation, or be part of a presentation/exhibit. The priest moved over further to the right and then he and the Pope put something/one between him and myself. It was Mary, the mother of God. She was dressed as a nun, in a nun's habit. Her body had been cremated, but not her head, which at times appears normal and at others to be shrunken. I would have sworn that she had spoken or tried to speak to me (but I couldn't make out any words). Her nun's habit (medium blue in color) was folded up into a 17 x 17 inch square, with her head sitting on top of it. The Pope kept trying to get me to scoot down to the right, closer to Mary, but the thought of touching her made me very uncomfortable. When I told them I thought she had spoken, they looked over to see for themselves, but of course she was then silent. At this point, I wasn't even sure she still had her head as it was difficult to see beneath her nun's headdress. (2/15/99) ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another] ** Dream: "Love at first Sight" by Hannah (990318) ** I had this dream that I went to the theatre and I met this gay man and he was his boyfriend and I was with mine. I couldn't keep my eyes off of him all night. My boyfriend and his boyfriend went off and left us alone. He walked me home and I had taken off my shoes because my feet hurt and he had carried them for me. I offered him a coffee and he came in. We made mad passionate love and he left. I felt so upset that he had just taken off. The next day he came to see me and we went for a picnic and it was really romantic. I knew he was gay, but ... My boyfriend turned up and started fighting with him and I closed my eyes and when I opened them I found the gay man dead, and then me and my boyfriend split up. Comments by Dreamer: When I woke up, I was crying. I really just want to know what it means. Please lets publish my e-mail address so that people can write to me with their views of the dream Yours hannah Ykaye45534@aol.com ** Dream: "No longer a dream" by Justine (990317) ** Hello, my name is Justine, and I'm looking for help on how to figure out what my dreams mean. I have gone to hundreds of diffrent places, and they all tell me basically the same thing, and I'm hoping someone can give me their input, I'm trying to get as many peoples interpretations as I can. My dreams started about five years ago, and there are simply too many to tell, although I can tell some to anyone that's interested. They are all basically about this guy, Jack, that has popped in and out of my dreams. In the dreams we love each other, and I can feel his presence when I'm awake lately. He's always in my dreams, and now, he is with me all the time. I can be sitting with friends, and I can feel him rub his hand down my arm, or give me a kiss on the cheeck. When I cry I can feel him wrap his arms around me and tell me that everything will be alright. I do love him, but I don't know if it's still just a dream, or if there's more to it than meats the eye. Please tell me what you think by e-mailing me at Bunquishashue@hotmail.com Thank you for your time, if you think you need to know more about him, please e-mail me and I will tell you whatever it is you need to know. Thank you, Justine SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learning related trials] ** Dream: "The holding back" by ? (990220) ** I was in the alley next to the school where I was with a male friend that was my boyfriend(in the dream). My school bus came and the male wouldn't let me go. He was holding me back from the bus. SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries] STAIRS [Bridges between levels, between the upper and the lower] STRANGERS [Who and what we don't know yet] TEETH [Ok, losing teeth is one of the top ten dreams people have questions on. Theories on what they mean range all over the spectrum of possibilities.] ** Dream: "Missing Teeth" by Jodesterr (990314) ** My dream started with a call from my son's girlfriend's father that my son had pulled out many of his girlfriends teeth. I sought out my son in disbelief and found his girlfriend stoned out of her mind walking down the hallway with 14 missing teeth. I went to find my husband and ended up in the basement but not my house. A firehose was running in the basement flushing hundreds of huge spiders down the walls. I ran outside and was blinded by the sunlight and saw a huge beach and ocean. My husband and a small child were sitting on the patio watching hundreds of people romping on the beach. I told him about the teeth and he didn't seem to care. The child was supposedly mine, although I didn't recognize him. When I returned into the house there were several people walking through the kitchen. i asked who they were. One was my son's girlfriend's father telling me that I should leave my husband and be sure to take my children with me because they would grow up to be just like my oldest troublemaker son. A friend of the father's kept sticking a video camera in my face telling me that they were going to write a book or a movie about me and my life and wondered how I could be remaining calm by checking the answering machine and calling a dentist to try to get his daughter in to have her looked at in case she had an infection and see how to fix what had happened. I kept telling them to leave my house. Then I awoke. Comments by Dreamer: My oldest son recently was charged with possession of a controled substance and I stared at him in disbelief. My husband and I have been experiencing major marital difficulties for a few years and they have heightened over the last several weeks. TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of nature] ** Dream: "Too Many Tornados" by Twisted Sister (990217)** I have recurring dreams (at least twice monthly) about tornados. In my dreams, I am frantically trying to gather up my family and get them to a safe place. Sometimes this even includes perfect strangers. One odd thing I have noticed is that in each dream when I try to get people to safety, it is usually in an old building or house (in disrepair mostly). I have been having these dreams for about 10 years now and have always been curious as to their meaning. Any interpretations? TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are paralyzed or imprisoned by jobs, relationships or expectations] ** Dream: "Oblivion" by Clockwork Raven (981115) ** I was walking through what appeared to be the forest with the living trees from Legends of the Hidden Temple. Suddenly one of the trees came to life and swallowed me. I was then, for lack of a better word, inbetween life and death. I was in another, darker forest, but the sides of the world curved up around me, I was floating and even though the "backround" looked real, it was just an illusion. If I turned a certain way, I could see it was more like a cardboard cut-out. Then the moon started transforming into a glowing white face, it was completely white and had no eyes, it was more like a mask really. It introduced itself as "Meg" she was like the guardian of tree spirits and the keeper of the "gates of oblivion." She then said "soon it will be time to leave" and a magnificient purple and white vortex appeared and I began to be sucked into it. I then realized I was being pulled into oblivion and I screamed, but no sound came out and everything around me was nothingness, my ears closed up, my mouth dissapeared and everything was black and silent, I was concious, but not, inbetween. I then woke inside my dream with a start and I was going down the slide at the McDonalds playland, as I landed in the balls below I awoke into Reality. Comments by Dreamer: This dream was one of the most interesting of mine in that I remember still even though It really didn't affect me at all. It's strange. Comments: Anyone is welcome to comment, I'd love to hear interpretations. ** Dream: "Cats on a Razors edge" by jj (990325) ** In my dream, I was alone and in a wooded environment approaching darkness (dusk). I was being stalked by wild cats (large type) who was on on their evening prowl for dinner. Since I was alone they spotted me they began stalking me. They weren't aggressive but approached me with a continuing steady pace. They showed no fear of me so I began seek shelter by climbing an extremely steep mountain that at the top was narrow as if I was sitting on a knife edge. While I was at the top and looking down at the bottom at the cats looking at me, they began their decent up the smooth (Like a dam) mountain to get me. I started throwing things at them to stop them but they kept on coming towards me. Again they didn't show any signs of fear and kept a slow steady pace towards me. Eventually my effort to keep them away from me has failed and I am looking for an escape route. There is none. If I go forward then I would fall to my death and the same if I went down the other side. All around me I now see the cats have completely surrounded me and they are now getting almost close enough to grab me. In panic I keep looking for an escape route and there is none. I then woke up. This is wild, I can't keep but thinking of it all day. It really bothers me. What do you think it could mean ? VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of lifestyle] ** Dream: "On the Titanic" by ? (990221) ** I dreamed I was sitting in a stateroom- on the Titanic. I was sitting showing three children a toy, and we were laughing. It was comforting to be there, like I had already been there; yet, I've never had a dream such as that one! I put the children to bed, and I walked out on deck, where I met a friend of mine, and we chatted for quite a bit. I can remember some dialogue, yet not all of it: "Jessica, did you hear that they lit the last boiler?" My friend asked. "Yes!" I laughed. "Honestly, I don't see why they need to! They're going fast enough as it is!" The air was crisp and cool, and the sky was dark, filled with thousands of little stars. Suddenly, the ship started shaking, and a sound- the only way I can describe it is fingernails on a chalkboard- filled the air. Then there was silence. The water was calm, and still. My friend and I looked at each other with worry. We ran to the front of the ship, and saw chunks of ice on the deck, and a rather large iceberg drifting past us. "I must go get the children, Amber, be careful."I said to my friend. "Alright. I suppose I should wake Adam anyways." We said goodbye to each other, and I ran down to my stateroom where the three children slept soundly. The crashing of the ship hadn't even awakened them. I shook them awake, and I said to them: "The ship is sinking! We must find a lifeboat, it's rather cold out- dress warmly!" As I grabbed some lifebelts. The children laughed. "What are you talking about Jessica?" One said. "This ship can't sink!" That's when I woke up. It was scary. Like, I knew that the ship was going to sink even before I ran to recieve the children from the stateroom. I think maybe I was reincarnated- I feel that maybe I was- and I was on the Titanic in a past lifetime... Comments by Dreamer: I feel that this dream is possibly telling me of an occurence in a past lifetime of mine. WATER [A magical earthly fluid, nourishment, cleansing] ** Dream: Water Dreams by PT (990210) ** I dream with water all the time, all sorts of dreams: with pools, and storms and still water and dark water, and walking by the sea and being completely flooded, and beautifully green water, and long swims under water, I am never alone in this dreams, I am always with someone I know well... my dreams with water don't ever turn into nightmares though, no matter how dangerous they become. They are just very clear, they always seem to have some sort of end, and they are always very powerful. And I always seem to remember them, almost as if they were some sort of premonition. Well I also had a dream with pink sheep recently. :-) Just yesterday night there was this little cartoon like mouse eating big chunks of cheese all over my place! There were other mice and rats and that was disgusting, but I woke up in a good mood due to the little mouse. Could this mean something? But the reason why I am writing to you is this dream: I am walking in a beach, it is rather cloudy and slightly cold... suddenly I am told by people that I don't see that I must take this "boat" that has this "T" shape (a bit like that curved bone chickens have in their chest). Anyway, I have to take this boat and go to the sea. I don't really want to go but I must, the waves are really big and whenever they are about to burst on the "boat" they sort of elevate and become giant bubbles of brown and foamy water. Eventually I am out of this sea and walking in this beautiful water. All is very peaceful and still, I can see the rocks on the bottom of this incredibly emerald green water. I know that I am sort of being guided through the water by this "person" that I can not recognise or see very well, and that "person" is dressed in a androgynous way (a bit like a male dancer). On the bottom I see these other adult androgynous bodies in foetal position lying on the rocks very quietly. And I remember wondering if they were dead or asleep... but nothing scaring just quite and peaceful. And I woke up with this feeling of inner peace. Oh well, and that is all! Let me know how you interpret this! Thanks All the best Paula == Commentary by BK on Water Dreams by PT (990214) == Hi Paula. Thanks for sharing your dreams. Sorry for the delay in the response, but it has been quite hectic here. I sense an inner peace and serenity being evidenced in these images. The one you are most concerned about seems to indicate some well developed female "adult" parts of yourself which are "dormant" beneth the usual levels of waking reality, but resources which are at your command. Water images are usually associated with "unconsious" or "emotional forces, but every individual needs to couch this with their own experiences with water. My mother lost a brother in a sailboat accident during a storm on the ocean. For her, the ocean will alway be a feared killer and a thief. I grew up by beaches and pools in the Caribbean, so water is very pleasant for me. For someone, in a desert environment or humid jungle atmosphere water is yet something else. For a person living by a stream, a sea could represent a tranfer to another reality. Mighty rivers can be joyful, but also destructive at certain times. Water is a cleansing agent of sorts also, and refreshing thirst quencher. Explore what these images mean to you. The fact that in these dreams you are always accompanied shows some measure of link with internal and probably external friends. These social interaction images rarely show up in a lonely persons dreams. They also indicate to me that you are still exploring many possibilities in your life, and the dreams are reflecting this inquisitive concern. The presence of a guide is a powerful image of "connection" with internal resources and is highly valued in primitive cultures. The "pink sheep" and "cartoon-like" little mouse are probably playful parts of yourself showing up in your dreams. If you were the "pink sheep" what would you tell Paula? What part of you is like that "little mouse"? One technique to find more guidance from your dreams is to ask a question as you are falling asleep, and ask for a dream about that question. Rarely do direct answers result, but often the resulting dreams will help make us aware of conflicts, concerns or opportunities which we did not realize existed. Good luck Paula. == Response from PT on "Water Dreams"Commentary (990219) == This is great Bob! Thanks for replying! All the best and good luck for u too! Regards Paula! ** Dream: "DOLPHIN GIRL" by ? (990326) ** 2 years old Dream Swimming in a deep blue ocean with many strangers. Three dolphins approach and the others become quite afraid I attach myself to the mother dolphin's fin and she takes me for a ride. This is associated with enormous sense of freedom and pride. The dolphin takes me to a watery cave with rocks and ledges surrounding. Waves roll into the cave and at first, these are quite small. Later I see a tidal wave building in the distance. The cave is now filled with thousands of people. Out of nowhere an old indian woman appraches in a canoe and instructs me to get in so that she can take me a safe place. She takes me to a ledge up high in the cave. Two men sit behind her. I watch the tidal wave approach the people below and see the sheer horror and fear on their faces as the wave engulfs and drowns them. I feel incredibly sad for those drowning and guilty for being helped by this indian lady but I also know that it was supposed to turn out this way. Comments: All help welcome. WORKPLACE [Where we make a living] WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity] = = = = = = = = = = = == DREAM SERIES Did you catch the two horse dreams in the animals section? A whole 30 words, by my count, populate the two sentences that made up the shared dream. Well, to illustrate the power of symbols, and dig in with detail into one set on meanings for this dream, following is a 46 page extravaganza exchange of messages on the dreams and possible implications. From the purpose of life to the meaning of death, from the bardo to the bible, from tolerance to intolerance, from pain to pleasure, from good to evil, from right to wrong, from old to Jung, this exchange touches on many topics near and dear to us all. Wonder of wonders, it all started with a heated journey from down under to the downest underest place of all, and takes us from Australia to France, from glimpses of Hell to tastes of Heaven. Thanks Victoria, Jay, Myst and Gerald for this tour-de-force with a nasty beginning and a happy ending. Be forewarned, this voyage is not for the weak or meek. Fasten your seat belts, and enter with an open mind ... the zone of the winged horse. Hi, ho Silver ... and away !!! ** Dream: "Dark Horses and Fire" by Mermaid (990226)** I have been having dreams of flying on a dark horse over swirling fire lately. I feel scared that the fire will consume me, but determined to get over it. == Comment by gdaoust on "Dark Horses and Fire" (990226)== Dear Dreamers, oh! boy! I was afraid that one like this would come up one of these days... "I have been having dreams of flying on a dark horse over swirling fire lately. I feel scared that the fire will consume me, but determined to get over it." ...that looks pretty bad to me, because it means that the Psychopump is taking Victoria over Hell... and it is not a question of determination which will change that destiny... if she doesn't change her mind about the nature of dreams. Wild? No, no, just normal. Those who are ancients of Electric Dreams will have noted that I interpreted several dreams of Victoria, but Victoria is Jungian and is convinced that dreams are only the fruit of her imagination and doesn't realise that her false belief will lead her to Fires of Hell! :) Oh! well... what the Hell? That's where Jungianism or wrong beliefs lead. :) Wrong Way Out! :) "For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth not. In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed; then he openeth the ears of men, (terrifies them with warnings) and sealeth their instruction... o prevent them from falling down into the bottomless pit." (Words of Elihu, in Job 33.15.....Holy Land, sometimes B.C.) Hoping that your voyage will make you think the right way? Poor Victoria, Bon Voyage! Gerald == Response by Mermaid to gdaoust Commentary (990228)== > Dear Dreamers, > > ...that looks pretty bad to me, because it means that > >the Psychopump Gerald, how do you define the Psychopump, and do you believe that two way communication is possible with it? >is taking Victoria over Hell... and it is not a question of >determination which will change that destiny... if she >doesn't change her mind about the nature of dreams. > > Wild? No, no, just normal. Those who are ancients of Electric Dreams will have noted that I interpreted several dreams of Victoria, but Victoria is Jungian and is convinced that dreams are only the fruit of her imagination and doesn't realise that her false belief will lead her to Fires of Hell! :) > > Oh! well... what the Hell? That's where Jungianism or wrong beliefs lead. :) > > Wrong Way Out! :) Hmmm so to what degree do you , Gerald, believe that an individual has choice in dreams, and flowing from there, to life? Is it not taking on an assumption of being at least part deity to say that anyone else has false beliefs? How do the horses and trains fit into all of this? > "For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man >perceiveth not. > In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep >falleth upon men, >in slumberings upon the bed; then he openeth the ears of >men, (terrifies >them with warnings) and sealeth their instruction... o >prevent them from >falling down into the bottomless pit." >(Words of Elihu, in Job 33.15.....Holy Land, sometimes B.C.) > > Hoping that your voyage will make you think the right way? In that case, have you any suggestions for where sealed instructions may be? Mermaid == Commentary by JayV on gdaoust Commentary (990228) == dear gerald, perhaps it would be more helpful, if you could say *briefly* how you believe we could more productively view our dreams? do you believe hell truly awaits those who fail to recognise your vision of god in their dreams? is that what your god has planned? is a jungian view of dreamwork so different from your and your gods view? == response by gdaoust to JayV's Questions (990302) == Subject: The True Nature of Dreams! Dear Sir John, I have read your interesting and most fundamental questions... > >From: "Jay Vinton" >Subject: the nature of dreams >Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:38:57 -0500 (EST) > >dear gerald, > >perhaps it would be more helpful, if you could say *briefly* how you >believe we could more productively view our dreams? In this respect, just consider dreams as divine messages and visits into the Other Realm... where we get guidance and instruction and even earthly orders and missions... "...An Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said: "Joseph, ......... . ........". When Joseph woke up, he did what the Angel of the Lord had commanded him..." (words exposed in Matthew, 1,24) ... and I've noticed that people very seldom do what is ordered to them in dreams because they have no idea about what dreams are all about, mainly due to misguiding Jungianism which bullshits and confuses everybody about the true nature of dreams. >do you believe hell truly awaits those who fail to >recognise your >vision of god in their dreams? is that what your god has >planned? Yes! of course, God does not reward those who do not want to recognise him... "He, who does not believe in the true dream, does not believe in Allah nor in the Day of Reckoning." (most important words of Mohammed) ... but it is not only "my" vision... but the vision of all the Dreamer-Prophets which words were preserved into the Holy Scriptures which are revelations... "And He said, "Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I, the Lord, will make Myself known to him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream." (Words of the Lord of the Universe revealed to Moses, Aaron and Miriam.... and preserved in Numbers 12.6) .... but as you can read in Revelation, he who does not have the Seal of the Living God on their forehead will perish... upon arrival on the other side... as clearly mentioned Rev, 7,2-3: 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." ...and explained in more details in Rev,6 where you can read that all the Seals are Winged-Horses... and better warned in chapter 9 and especially in 9,4... 1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6 During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them. 7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lion's teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails, they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They have as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. ... the sound of their Wings...Humm! ....because people must believe in the Creator who created everything... directly or indirectly... and dreams are messages from God... "He, who does not believe in the true dream, does not believe in Allah nor in the Day of Reckoning." (most important words of Mohammed) ------------------------------------------------- "For the Days of the Lord are coming..... . And it shall come to pass afterward, saith God, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions. Even on my servants and handmaidens I will pour out, in those days, my Spirit; and they shall prophesy." (Words of the Lord himself revealed to the prophet Joël preserved in Joël 2.28-30 in the Old Testament and, due to their crucial importance, repeated in the New Testament in Acts 2.16-18.) But have to be carefull with the messages of these god-given dreams... "I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I had a dream." Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams... "Let the prophet who has a dream tell his dream, but let the one who has my word speak it faithfully. For what is the chaff to the wheat? " declares the Lord, to Jeremiah, as stated in Jeremiah 23,25 and 23,28 ... because God calls everybody but unfortunately it is not everybody who answers the call or obeys his guidance and instruction given in dreams... "For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth not. In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed; then he openeth the ears of men, (terrifies them with warnings) and sealeth their instruction... to prevent his soul from going down into the bottomless pit." (words of Elihu, in Job 33.15.....Holy Land, sometimes B.C.) ... which he sends to people to prevent them from ending up in the bottomless pit of the Fiery Hells. >is a jungian view of dreamwork so different from your and >your gods view? Totally the contrary, the Jungian view is looking the wrong way... and leads to perdition just as the dream of Victria clearly indicates. ****************** However, Victoria is a very good person and is not an atheist, but just a miscreant who is being mislead by Jungian garbage... because she only got warned and did not get punished yet as atheists are beaten up by the Horses of the Lord, in their dreams... such as in this one here... white horses posted by Marina on January 05, 1998 at 08:31:28: Hello, My mother is having the same dream for few nignts. She is being stamped by white horses with black hooves. When she wakes up she has black and blue marks on her body. What could it possibly mean? Thank You. ------------------------------------------ So, Sir John, I replied to Marina and asked a few questions... and got this reply... Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:37:31 -0500 From: RA > To: "Gerald D'Aoust" > Subject: Re: White Horses with black hooves! Gerald. Thank you for the quick response. I am worried about my mother's mental health. She is seeing very strange dreams and is affected by them all day. My mother was born in 1935. There are a lot of horses in her dream, but I don't know how many. She is lying on the ground and the horses are just stamping her. When she gets up in the morning she has black and blue marks on her legs. The other part of her dream, or she wakes up and goes back to sleep is: her mother (who died of cancer in 1975) is sitting in a chair with a huge hole in her body. The cotton is "stuffed" in a hole and blood coming out of it. She is calling my mother to come to her with the strong - ruling voice. My mother doesn't go and wakes up. Right now my mother is the same age as my grandmother was when she died. Sure enough my mom is saying that it is "her time now". Is there any meaning to all this? Thank you very much. Your help is greatly appreciated. Marina. ------------------------------------------------------ Dear Marina, thank you for your prompt reply. This will appear to you very strange but your mother is fine and well and I don't believe that she is about to die neither... unless she keeps on being tormented like that. In resume, the true dreams of your mom relate...(now hold on to your hat) ... to the visit of a mighty personnage on earth... who has been scheduled to reappear at about this time of great tribulations. So, your Mom's dream also relates to this event known as the Advent... or the Coming of the Lord in the flesh... the Lord of the Resurrection of the Dead... and if she believes in him everything will be just fine.... In my point of view, the wrath of the Lord is on your Mom because she doesn't believe in the Lord nor in the Resurrection of the Dead... such as her own Mom who has her womb openly bleeding because her own progeny which came out of there does not at this point beleive in the Lord... the (Eternal)Life Giver. I know that it sounds totally crazy, but tell your Mom to read the following biblical passages which relate to her own dream.... " At the noise of the stamping of the hooves of his strong Horses,.... the fathers (mothers) shall not look back to their chidren from feebleness of hands;..." (Jeremiah 47, 3 +) Also, you may wish to read Ezechiel 26 in full but at least from verses 7 to 12. And then you will begin to understand the seriousness of her dreams. I think that the message means that your Mom should begin to believe in God... and she doesn't need to go to Church for this as God reaches her right between her two ears when she sleeps. Also, when she is convinced that he exists, as well as in the other world which he governs... her Mother will heal and will stop calling her in such way... because really the only right now for your Mom to understand would be to die as she anticipates to see the spiritual reality! But, if she can pay attention to my words and care to verify what I am trying to say .... she will live longer in peace. If you doubt in what I say... read about the Horses of the Apocalypse and the Locusts and the Rider on the White Horse, respectively in Revelation 6, 9, 19.11... as these Horses are Angels of the Divine Army of Heaven... which are now here to accomplish their task of tormenting those who do not have the seal of God on their forehead... so that they may change their mind about God and gain Eternal Life. Tell this to your Mom... and ask her if she would care to trade a few stupid years on earth against eternity in Heaven? I realise that this is very heavy... but your "tormented" Mother needs this explanation... for her own salvation... which she needs to accomplish by herself! God cares enough about her that he is speaking to her directly in her dreams...in order to prevent her from falling into the bottomless pit!!!... and she must respond to him the same way... and her dreams will instantaneously improve, just like herself too. Trust me, your Mom is simply undergoing a required purification process... for her own benefit... that's all! What your Mom saw in her dream is precisely what awaits her when she dies... because, for some unknown reason she is a pain to both her own Mom and to the Lord himself and if she don't change... which confesses to the word repent.... this is what she will get when she gets there.But if she believes in the existence of the world which she visits in her dreams.... to be the Spiritual World, where Eternal Angels (like the White Horses)and Immortal Ghosts(like Grand-Ma) exist forever... then her "soul" will be better greeted when she does get there. Spiritual Things, at least, never change! Sincerely, Gerald ------------------------------------------ ...and this is the reply that I received from her... ------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:17:02 -0500 From: RA > To: "Gérald D'Aoust" > Subject: Re: I am truly Sorry But... Dear Gerald, I just got your message. Thank you so much. I am not afraid of her dreams. I am worried about her state of mind. For someone who grew up in a country where religion was banned and outlawed would be difficult to start believing in God. At least she believes in alternative medicine and doesn't see doctors as "Gods". We will take your advise and do our best. Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks again. Marina. --------------------------------- So, you see, Sir John, I was right to clearly see, judging from her dream, that this older woman did not believe in God... and this is her reward. It is funny, but I feel that she will change her mind before she dies. OK! I'm taking the initiative, understanding your profound interest and anxiety, to send you a copy of my response to Victoria in which you'll certainly find a few answers... in regards to your honest, smart and most clever questions. Also, Sir John, please feel free to join my list and that will be easier for me to show you what I know. I gave the formula on how to join, in the paper to Victoria. Sincerely hoping to see you there... and about the true nature of dreams, this has been clearly outlined in the Bardo Thodol, a book which Carl Jung did not have the intellectual capacity to understand anything... "May it come that the Realms of the Buddhas be seen, Grasping the True nature of dreams, May I train myself in the clear Light of the Miraculous Transformation. May I recognise whatever appareth as being my own Spiritual Forms, May I know them to be Apparitions... May the Trinity be realised. Let it come that I obtain the Non-Forgetting Intellect and "remember" my past life (or lives). O procrastinating one, who thinketh not of the coming of death, Devoting thyself to the useless doings of this life, Improvident art thou in dissipating thy great opportunity; Mistaken, indeed, will thy purpose be now if thou returnest empty-handed from this life. When the apparitions of the Peaceful and Wrathful forms are dawning upon me here, Let it come that I, obtaining the assurance of fearlessness, may I recognize the Bardo." (Some of the words of Guru Padma Sambhava, Lung-ta's Rider, Tibet, 8th century A.D., extracted from "Root Verses" of "The Bardo Thodol") Welcome to the Realm of the Buddhas, Sir John! and remember that the people who don't believe in the right thing which is in God and the existence of the other world will have a funny surprise when they get to the other side. :) Anyways, these dreams of Victoria are priceless dreams of universal magnitude... and good for everyone to see. Best Regards and Many Thanks, Gerald == Response by Gdaoust to Victoria (990302) == Subject: OverView of Hells Dear Victoria, thank you for your kind reply and interest in you dream, which I want to thank you for because it is not everyday that someone brings a fresh warning from Hell... and you're such a good dreamer... and have so much influence in your time and age that you got chosen for that one. :) You seem to think that you are are in control in your dreams, and that your dreams are illusions created from your universal unconsciousness or whatever? I would like you to review again your dream, and you tell me if the heat generated by the flames was part of your creative imagination? >Subject: dark horse and fire. >Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:47:03 +1100 > >I have been having dreams of flying on a dark horse over swirling fire lately. > >I feel scared that the fire will consume me, but determined to get over it. > "For our God is a consuming Fire."( Hebrews 12, 29) What about the Horse's smell and the draft in the face? Do you wish to tell me that you think that you could have written this scenario when you could not write fast enough to describe all the feelings of reality which you experienced simultaneously in the dream!! :) "The Lord(Christos)shall be revealed with his mighty angel in flaming fire." (2 Thessalonians 1,7-8) That was a visit into the other world, Victoria, and to your final destiny, on the Wings of Destiny... but, if you really have the strong determination to cling to the Horse and learn everything about it, the final outcome may turn out to be totally different. It all depends of you only. You see, Victoria, this Horse on which you flew has been know as the Divine Psychopompos, the Spiritual Machine that takes people from this world to the other... to Olympus or Hades... as Franz Cumont says in "Lux Perpetua" on p.292 and 288 respectively... "The Emperors were supposed to become after their death the companions of the Sun Invincible... "Sol Invictus", just as they had been his proteges during their lifetime, and conducted by him (Pegasus) towards the eternal vaults. And these are not their emphatical flatteries, inspired to court poets by servile adulation. This deification, obtained through the intermediary of the Sun, making place to the Sovereign on the Chariot of the Sun, remained an Article of Faith, right up to the end of paganism." (292) "It is therefore doubtless that Pegasus was regarded as an agile psychopompos, which, in an audacious flight, lifted right up to the height of the stellar vaults of heaven the privileged mortals who had obtained to reside over there forever. The Mythology consecrated Pegasus to the Sun and it was towards this Aster that he was bringing back the souls to which he had given life and was calling them to him." (288) "It is the reason why this Pegasus-Saviour has been represented alone, even without Rider, as a symbol of Immortality." ... but as it can take people to Heaven it can also take them to Hell and to illustrate what it is, here is a little story... of the Buddha as the Winged-Horse himself as related in several stories of the Jatakas, or Stories of Buddha's Previous Lives... for instance, in No.196, in Book #2, pages 89-90 and 91, is a particularly good example, of which the following is a little extract... "Valahassa-Jataka" "Now, at that time the Bodhisatta had come into the World as a flying horse,... possessed of supernatural power, able to fly through the air"... The rest of the story tells about the fate of those who believed in the Horse, some 250 people in the story, and clinged to it as you did in your dream Victoria finally went to heaven and those who didn't unfortunately, went to Hell!. The Master now said, addressing the Brethren: "Brethren, even as those persons perished by falling into the hands of goblins, but the others by obeying the behest of the Wonderful Horse each returned safe home (spiritual world) again; so, even so, they who neglect the advice of the Buddhas, both Btrethren and Sisters, lay Brethren and lay Sisters (Ghosts), come to great misery in the four hells, places where they are punished under the five fetters, and so forth. But those who abide by such advice come to the three kinds of fortunate birth, the six heavens, and reaching the state of imperishable Nirvana, they attain great blessedness." "Then, becoming perfectly enlightened, he recited the following verses... "They who will neglect the Buddha when he tells them what to do, As the goblins ate the merchants, likewise they shall perish too." "They who harken to the Buddha when he tells them what to do, As the Bird-Horse saved the merchants, they shall win salvation too." When the Master had ended this discourse, he declared the Truths, and identified the Birth:- "The Buddha's followers were the 250 who followed the advice of the Horse and I, was the Horse myself." (On a one side of a pillar in a Buddhist railing, at Mathura, India, is a Flying Horse with people clinging to it, perhaps intended for this scene... which is supposed to be illustrated in a certain "Catalogue of the Indian Museum" by Anderson, I, p.189.) ...many other stories finish the same way #23, # 206... sometimes the Horse is called Swift-as-the-Wind... in others Windswift... or Sindh Horse...# 24 for example... which ends by "... and I the Perfect Buddha was the Horse of those Days." You may not believe this Victoria, but this Horse, is the Buddha himself, or Allah if you prefer... "The Ascending Stairways, revealed at Mecca, in the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful." 1. A questioner questioned about the doom to fall 2. Upon the disbelievers, which none can repel, 3. From Allah the Lord of the Ascending Stairways 4. The Angel and the Spirit ascend unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years. (Qu'ran, Surah 70,1-4) ...and as far as I'm concerned, Victoria, the Horse is overflying you above and showing you the dangerous "soul and ghostly dream body destruction area"... "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but who cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Hell." (Mat. 10,28) .... because your beliefs are wrong and consequently that will be your reward and doom if you don't change... as clearly outlined in Rev.20,15-15 and 22,6... > The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name >was not found written in >the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. >6 The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and >true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, >sent his angel to show his servants >the things that must soon take place. Do you, Victoria, want to know why? The answer is in Rev.20,10 and 21,8... >10 And the devil, who deceived them, was >thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and >the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented >day and night for ever and ever. >8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the >murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic >arts, the idolaters and all liars-their place will be in >the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second >death. You see, it is because you're Jungian and therefore automatically an idolater and false prophet... because you distort the meaning of dreams by not acknowledging the existence of your ghost body, nor the ghosts of departed like Michael Hutchence, or Jesus or any dead who make apparitions in dreams and you don't recognise nor honour them. In other words, you are rejecting them and make people falsely believe that they, the spiritual beings who appear in dreams, are mere illusions. Too bad so sad! :) "Now Allah has created the dream not only as a means of guidance and instruction, I refer to the true dream, but he has made it as a window on the World of the Unseen. " (Prophet Mohammed, Arabia, 7th century A.D.) It is true, because Carl Jung was a false prophet who did not know anything about dreams, nor about God, nor about the Holy Scriptures, nor about the supratemporality of the soul, nor about the other world. For instance you can see how contradicting he can be just carefully read his commentary of the Bardo Thodol if you wish? I've read nonsense and this is the best of what I have ever read in the stupid "nonsense" category. All you need to verify this, dear Victoria, is for you to obtain a copy of the Bardo Thodol or The Tibetan Book of the Dead which is a landmark of oneiric science and a a most wonderful spiritual guide. Actually, compiled and edited by W.Y. Evans-Wentz, published by Oxford University Press, in 1927 of which exist several reprints ...and which from the third edition up contains a so-called Psychological Commentary of your yukky Dr. Carl G. Jung. If you have this book, please let me know. If you don't, please try to obtain it... because this book is unique among the sacred books of the world. As Dr. Jung said in his (1938) Psychological Commentary... "Thus far the Bardo Thodol is, as Dr. Evans-Wentz also feels, an initiation process whose purpose it is to restore to the soul the divinity it lost at birth." "I am sure that all who read this book with open eyes, and who allow it to impress itself upon them without prejudice, will reap a rich reward." ... but the same guy, who could never understand this book actually also said all kinds of stupid things about it going as far as categorically contradicting himself which is kind of his own total confusion trademark when it comes to dreams... because this fantastic book explains that by... "Grasping the true nature of dreams, one may obtain the non-forgetting intellect to remember his previous lives..." ... but Jung never spoke of this and in this regard declared... in the second sentence of the third paragraph, of page "xliii", his idea... "According to the Eastern view, KARMA implies a sort of psychic theory of heredity based on the hypothesis of reincarnation, which in the last resort is an hypothesis of the supratemporality of the soul. Neither our scientific knowledge nor our reason can keep in step with this idea. There are too many if's and but's. Above all, we know desperately little about the possibilities of continued existence of the individual soul after death, so little that we cannot even conceive how anyone could prove anything at all in this respect. Moreover, we know only too well, on epistomological grounds, that such a proof would be just as impossible as the proof of God." ... also, on page li, in the middle paragraph, which begins by... "The degenerative character of the Bardo life..." ... gives another clear idea of his own degenerate point of view... which he openly confirms in his last words, in his last 2 sentences on page lii ... where he declares that the Bardo Thodol is a mere "USELESS" book meant for "Queer Folks"! What a stupid self-contradicting dummy?! I love idiots like him... they make me laugh a lots! :) It's not everybody who can interpret dreams, Victoria.... as stated by Joseph, the oneiromancer who eventually saved Egypt from famine, in Genesis 40,8, in reply to the cupbearer and baker of the Pharaoh... who could not find anyone to interpret their dreams... "Do not dreams' interpretations belong to God? Tell me your dreams." ... because it takes someone well trained to understand the magic of dreams and the world where we go in dreams and thats where the train comes in because on was on this train that I received most of my teachings about the other world. I was on this train at least hundred times... and the ghosts in it were playing tricks to me all the time... and was carried on it as a prisonner so many times... but the old Locomotive also broke down on the way and I was called to fix it, because I'm a mechanical engineer and the ghosts could not. I also fed the fire of its kettle and even broke the Locomotive once too. It doesn't matter, that's where I learned that Ghosts were well alive. Oh! Yes! I have several hundreds of ghosts and I guess that we could not all fly on the Winged-Horse at the same time... a train is better... as stated in Psalms 68,18... from the New International Bible. "When you ascended on high, you led captives in your train..."!!! and then 68,20... "Our God is a god who saves; from the Sovereign Lord comes escape from death." and then 68,32-33... "Sing to God... to him who rides the ancient sky above..." Also in Isaiah 6 right at the beginning... "I saw the the Lord seated on a Throne, high and exhalted, and the train of his robe filled the Temple. Above him were Seraphs, each with ...wings... and with which they were flying. And they were calling to one another... "Holy! Holy! is the Lord Almighty." :) ... just to show you that this Horse on which you were is the Angel or Spirit of the Lord!! Now, you come with me, I will show you everything about this Horse of Salvation to which you should sincerely cling to with all your determination... in order to end up at the right place after you die. The only thing that you need to know is everything about that Horse... which just happens to be the Angel of the Lord... Regent of Heaven as well as the Presider over Tartarus... the King of the Other World... and quite ugly as the Ruler of Hell... "For thy God is a consuming Fire, even a jealous God." (Deuteronomy 4,24) "Wherefore we receiving a Kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming Fire."( Hebrews 12, 28-29) Anyways, who wants to hear about the Antique Science of the Airy-Horse?... possibly the correct knowledge, Bodhi, to eternal life?... the knowledge of the Other World which we visit in dreams? Come with me Victoria, because I just happen to know about that Horse very well... and if you are determined to know the truth, I'll be glad to tell you everything about this Horse and dreams... but it will take about 85 days... because I had a dream yesterday which told me that I had 85 days of caravaning to do... and that will take us to about the 24th of June. :) So, if you are determined to cling to the Horse, I'll share with you and anyone interested the Antique Science of the Horse of the Universal Monarch... and then your visions or visits into the other realm will greatly improve. :) BTW, Victoria, I lately organised a little Quiz for the Seniors, the people who have been following the Horse a little while to find out if they believed into the existence of this Horse and consequently in God and the Other World and I received a reply which might be of interest to you, if you wish to know if that Horse really exists... From: M Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:49:09 EST Subject: Gerald's Quiz In regards to Gerald's question as to whether or not the Winged-Horse of the spiritual world really exists, I would have to answer a resounding YES. Why on earth, otherwise, would so many people from around the world, for eons and eons, have the same types of dreams (and live to record them for posterity)? Just as an example, here are several of my own which bear repeating: "Revelation" by Myst God, in (male) human form, was going around the town telling everyone to meet at a specific time, at a certain place on the following day. We (my family) gathered up food (roasted chicken), clothes and whatever items we could fit into a small bag to take with us. The place we were to all meet at had stadium type seating built into a hillside, overlooking a lake or ocean. The next day arrived and we hurried to get into our seats. Far up in the sky, off to my right, the clouds began rolling furiously, turning this way and that and they were in beautiful colors of melon and gold. Amidst the clouds came God, riding in a white chariot, pulled by a white horse. There was a mermaid standing behind him wearing a green sequined mermaid type outfit. As we sat there waiting for God to pass above us and take us either to heaven or hell, I said to the people on either side of me, "I wonder if I'll go to heaven? I've never killed anybody and I'm truly sorry for anyone's feelings I've ever hurt." Although I had already seen and heard God speak (in the flesh), I was afraid that I wasn't worthy enough to meet him face to face and by all rights, he should shun me. In an instant, people were gone from the stands, some to heaven (me) and some to hell. Others were left behind, like my sister, so that they could stay on earth and start a family before God came back for them in three years time. (11/13/97) 'The Surrogate' by Myst I was with another person and a horse in a room (either a hotel or an office). The only piece of furniture in the room was a couch. I am there because I was chosen to be inseminated by the horse so as to bring another of its kind (mystical) into the world (actually, another person had been chosen before me, but they later declined the offer). I think that there can only be one such horse at a time. As I sit there on the couch with the other person (who hasn't spoken and who I can't recall whether or not they're male or female at this point), I wonder what I've gotten myself into. The horse is standing in front of us (brown in color). How will this be done, I wonder? Will the horse climb on the couch and stand over me? I'm beginning to doubt my own part in this. Now I'm sitting on the floor, next to the horse. The procedure must take place at a certain time of day. Now it seems (more) like we're in an office, in an office building. There is some commotion going on in an office down the hall. I rush over to see what's happening. I'm wearing a lime green suit (skirt and jacket) and I have a 10" screwdriver in my hand (the one I use to fix the water sprinklers). I have a matching scarf on my head which I rip off as I reach the other office. People are looking for Vanessa (I can't remember her last name though it's painted on the door). She's blonde, in her 20's and has long wavy hair. Apparently she's killed her boss. I worry that people will think I did it with the screwdriver and hide it in my scarf. Now I'm back with the other person and the horse. Our room has a glass wall. The (white) couch is next to the wall of glass. It overlooks the ocean. The time is getting nearer. I ask the person (Roma Downey/Touched By An Angel) how I become inseminated, more importantly, where (for some reason, I keep thinking 'the top of my head' and imagine this goop dripping down my face). She says, I can't tell you that. I demand to know. She says, "In your ears." I say, "No way. I don't think so." Then I ask her, "will it improve my hearing?" I think at this point, Roma is the horse morphed into a person. Next she tells me that afterward, my feet will get larger. But I love my small feet, I think to myself. Then she shows me two horses hooves. One is normal size and the other a half size larger. First she shows me the bottom of the hooves. The smaller one has a V shaped groove in it from which she scrapes out some gelatinous type stuff, I believe this to be the insemination material. The larger hoof, that of the magical horse, she shows me the top of; it is brightly colored enamal (cloisonne) in a large abstract (but all rounded curves) design in shades of deep pink and passion purple. It's beautiful. I would be honored to be decorated as such. Roma is now sitting on the couch. I'm standing behind her. There is one tiny area on her hair (like hair coloring) at the bottom, that is rubbing off on her skin. I wipe it away. It's now 3:00 pm. She says, "It's time. It's getting dark." She says 'it's getting dark' twice. I look outside. It appears overcast, kind of like it gets on Good Friday (I think to myself). I'm not sure if I am to become this new magical horse or if I am just a conduit for its birth. (8/10/98) 'Winged Leader' by Myst I had driven to a house. I went inside and found a man. The man was (Dr D as) a Tibetan monk of revered status. We stood at the kitchen window as he dried the dishes. He wore off white clothing. The kitchen too was white. Everything we communicated was done via telepathy. I sensed that he was unhappy with my having material possessions and communicated back to him, "Oh, Winged Leader, the vehicle does not belong to me." I felt he thought I was a braggart for arriving in style. This pained me immensely as the last thing I would want to do is flaunt my possessions in anyone's face. (3/11/98) and last but not least...........the simplest dream of all: "Beware" by Myst I'm reading a book and the only passage from it that I can recall is: "Beware the second coming of the horse." (8/13/98) (comments): I have to say, for whatever reason, that one woke me right up! So, do I believe in the Winged-Horse? Oh my yes! ***************** So, dear Victoria, if you want to learn about things which Carl Jung could never understand, join my MorpheusDreams list and be my guest, along with anybody else who would feel like joining and I'm thinking of Sir Jay E. Vinton who asked very interested as well as interesting questions also and by joining into my list you'll eventually get to know about everything which very few humans know about. :) To join, simply use the following... http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/MorpheusDreams ... and I will share with all of you this Antique Science of the Horse-Angel most swiftly... "Vishnu will return as Kalki, the last Avatar, on the Horse amid fire and flame, blazing like a comet." (Kalki Purana) "Sosiosh, will be brought down on a Horse in a "tornado of fire." (Magian Zend-Avesta) "And I saw heaven open and behold a white horse, and he that sat upon him....is called the Word of God...amid flaming fire (thunder and lightning)... (Rev.19, 11) "The Lord(Christos) shall be revealed with his mighty angel in flaming fire." (2 Thessalonians 1,7-8) *************** This is just to say, one more time, dear Victoria, this Horse on which you rode is the Spirit of God and if it decided that it was time to fly you above Hells, it's because it is of crucial importance for you and anyone else who has wrong beliefs... which lead to Hell... and for your info, this Flying Horse is the Seal of the Living God!!! You have nothing to loose and what are a few days of training into the Highest Science of All in order to obtain the everlasting reward of heavenly blissful life eternal? "Thou shalt understand that it is a Science most profitable, and passing all other sciences, for to learn to die. .... I shall give thee the Mystery of this Doctrine; the which shall profit thee greatly to the beginning of Ghostly Health, and to a stable fundament of all virtues." (Orologium Sapientiae- from "The Book of the Craft of Dying" ... Comper's Edition) We don't die after death, we only get transformed... "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? When the dead rise... they will be like the angels in heaven." (Words of Jesus in Mark 12,24-25) "Thou shalt exist for longer than a million million years, an era of millions." Egyptian Book of the Dead, Chapter 175. "See!,the Lord is coming with Fire, and his Chariots are like a whirlwind." ( Isaïah 66:15) .... Yes, this is true... "Yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly, that thou shalt be visited by the Lord of Hosts... with storm and tempest...shall be as a dream of a night vision." (Isaiah 29, 5-7) ...and welcome everyone, and please forgive my shortcomings in my reply because I cannot explain this vast science in two little minutes. Thank You, thank you very much, Gerald == Commentary by gdaoust on Another Vision of Hells (990304)== Dear Dreamers, this following dream is another vision of Hells or actually of a presence in Hells which was posted at Waking World a while back. It shows the same place of which was overflown by Victoria on the Psychopompos.... but here we get a closer look and feeling... A Disturbing Dream...What Does it Mean?????? This entry submitted by Black Rose on 7/8/97. I am under water that is clear, holding the man I love. We are not drowning, we do not need to breathe. He is saying something. Then we are floating. Then there is fire everywhere. He is being pulled into the flames, so am I but we are being pulled in opposite directions. Then there is fire all around me. It is hot... it seems that this is my fault. Where is he??... ************ Where the Hell are we? :D ...the verdict of this dream is clear... these people have committed something which hurted lots of people in their familial surroundings. Can anybody see what they did? In any cases, Hells are Hot... Fire Consuming Hot! :) Oh! don't worry, I also have pleasant visions of Heavens too... but the pleasant visions of Heaven are not the ones influencing people at doing good... they are the ones of Hells... where souls and the ghosts bodies risk to suffer for eternity. :) "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but who cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Hell." (Mat. 10,28) Thank You, Gerald PS:Take the time to check the following out... "For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth not. In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed; then he openeth the ears of men, (terrifies them with warnings) and sealeth their instruction.... to preserve his soul from going down into the bottomless pit." "His flesh wastes away to nothing, and his bones, once hidden now stick out. His soul draws near to the pit and his life to the Messengers of Death." (Job 33, 21-22) "Yet if there is an angel on his side as an "Interpreter"(of dreams), one out of a thousand, to tell a man what is right for him, to be gracious to him and say, "Spare him, from going down to the pit; I have found a ransom for him." ...then his flesh his renewed like a child's; it is RESTORED AS IN THE DAYS OF HIS YOUTH." (Extracts from Job 33,15-25... but I would recommend everybody to read the whole of Job 33.) > Subject: tolerance Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 12:45:21 +1100 Is there anything in the Bible about Tolerance, Kindness and Love???? mermaid From: gdaoust Subject: Nice Evasive Reply-Question Victoria Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:30:27 -0800 (PST) Dear Victoria, thank you very much for for your clever reply... >Is there anything in the Bible about Tolerance, Kindness and Love???? ...which I guess you addressed to me? :) Yes! of course! Why the Hell do you think the Flying Horse took you for a visit over the bottomless pits? That's because He loves you and he is being kind to you to show you that and most tolerant too... because He let you stay on his back!!! Do you go horseback riding often, Victoria? I mean in the material reality? Let me inform you of a few things here since you are not too familiar with the Holy Scriptures which tell everything about the true nature of dreams and the identity of this Horse which took you for a ride above the worst place of the Spiritual Realm. If you'd take a few minutes to investigate the Scriptures, you'd soon discover that this Psychopompos as it has referred to is The Holy Spirit of the Creator!!! In other words, God in his Eternal Spiritual Form... or Spiritual Body... and that was not an illusion!!! I know that you are a very good person, Victoria, being kind to children and animals and birds... and the Angelical Bird-Horse took you for a ride to remove all your doubts in regards to the existence of the Other World to which you aspire for eternity beyond death. You see, its main objective is to inculcate rightful knowledge into you... which is the knowdledge of the the Other World and its inhabitants... because that part of yours which flew on the Horse at several occasions is not the material part of you which was sleeping in the bed. That's clear. Now, the life principle of that Holy Beast, is the Primordial Soul of the Universe and you should consider yourself divinely priviledged to realise that It cares for you enough to show you the fate of those who fail to recognise the existence of the Creator... who consists of a Trinity... which makes him hard to be pinpointed down because you need to be made aware of his different forms and manifestations... but generally speaking you can say... that He is The Horse... The Chariot of Israel... The Throne of God... and there is a Man on Earth right now who is animated by the same soul which animates simultaneously that Horse on which you were granted some repetitive rides... for you to remember them good... because what you saw... "He is the image of the invisible God, the First-Born over all Creation. For by Him all things were created; things in Heaven and on Earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things and in him all things hold together. And he is the the head of the body, the Church; He is the Beginning and the First-Born among the Dead, so that in everything he might have the Supremacy." (Colossians 1,15-18) ... and that all the Holy Scriptures tell about... and that trip indicates... "...He has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the Saints in the Kingdom of Light. For he has rescued us from the Dominion of Darkness and brought us into the Kingdom...." (Colossians 1, 12-13)... in the context of he knowledge of his will through all spiritual wisdom and understanding which is the knowledge of God... (Colossians 1,9-10)... and of his Kingdom..." Now, if you love the Creator and are determined to get down to the truth you'll understand that when it comes to Love you should always be grateful towards the Creator for having giving you, as well as all the creatures of the Creation the breath of life which animates you... as well as all the ones that you love... because as Jesus said about Ultimate Love... "Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For everything in the world - the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does - comes not from the Father but from the world. The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever." (1 John 2,15-17) ... and when it comes to evolution which is sparked by true spirituality you should be proud of having flown on the back of the Creator and to illustrate I will give a dream to look into... ============ Dear MDs, I had this dream two nights ago it is kind of long and as soon as i woke up from it i wrote it down... Also, i think that this dream has a lot to do with Morpheus and Gerald. I must tell you that i have dreamt a lot more lately since i've meet Gerald and would think that this holds true for all of us. Ok, i am sorry if this dream skips but if i put it in any order i would then distort it, so i wrote it down the way i remembered it.. ok so here it is...... *********************** I woke up and got dressed thinking i was on time for class and as i'm waiting for the elevator, i see a whole bunch of people in the student lounge. So i walk in and this girl says to me "you missed class".. and then my little sister walks into the room and says.. "aissa, i don't have time to talk to you, they pulled me out of class for this..." Then i see the resident hall's assistant named Sam and she has a bunch of papers in her hand.. and everyone gathers around her in a circle... She says to everyone that these papers are bad student reports from the teacher and if we don't get one we can leave. So she starts handing out these papers and she gives one to my little sister, then to the rest, and i'm the last person ... but instead of giving me the papers she gave everyone else she gave me a vanilla folder with a whole bunch of papers inside. I start to walk out looking through this folder and i say to her "Sam, these are all good reports why did you give these to me." and she says "sorry.. that is what they gave me." So i walk out of the room and start looking through these papers and i realize their all confidential and i'm not suppose to be seeing them..and i also notice a neon orange paper that i pull to the front of the stack and begin reading: (this is how the paper looked like the question marks is where i can't remember exactly what it said, also it was handwritten) ------------------------------------------------------- Date (?) To (?) Dr. Darwinus (wrote) I sit here waiting for my cappucino machine to finish, knowing that you want the same old. On the topic of Aissa, she out of all my students has the most potential. And i know what you are thinking, No! she is the student most like myself. Ready to embrace the world with tangent sarcasm but, yet lively and new... She who awaits the Airy Horse to be forgiven (by the given). (by the given) to be forgiven the awaits who She Airy Horse ------------------------------------------------------- I began to read this letter over and over, and while i'm doing this i began to have flashes intermingled with thoughts 1) I saw a picture of Dr. Darwinus, that i still remember very vividly. In the description of him, he was a middle age man with a thick black beard, he was chubby with a pot belly and thick black hair. He had on a plade shirt, brown pants, and a jacket that didn't come together.. but hung on him. He was sitting on the arm of a couch with his right side facing me and the rest of his body and head turned front wards looking east. There was a man sitting also, on the arm of the coach to his left..looking in the same direction. This man looked identical to him but had gray hair... so i thought to myself 'this must be his father.' To the left of the Dr. was a brown grandfather clock behind the coach. to the right of the clock was a window that was half open that over look a bunch of trees that leaves were red and orange. In front of the couch was a mahogney end table. And for some reason i thought both men were watching tv. 2)i saw a high school friend named Matt who was arguing with DR. about getting into the classroom, and the Dr. stood in front of the door telling Matt 'No, you don't want to do that' 3)I'm standing by a desk talking to the Dr. about Matt saying that i am worried about him. 4)I am laying on the cement ground with She was embracing me and we are looking up at the sky and she was saying that she was so happy for me. Like i was her child, but still her student. She way saying that i was going off somewhere to do something.. giving words of encouragement and telling me how proud she was. 5) the Dr. is sitting down with Matt, somewhere, talking to him about change. and that you can always change people's perception of you. Something about Matt's sexual identity and also, words of encouragement. 6) The Dr. arguing with Matt again not to go into the classroom. Matt pushes by him and locks Dr. out of the room. I'm inside the classroom sitting in a chair. And I noticed Matt is in some kind of disguise (which i think he thought others wouldn't notice him) but it was a really bad disguise. And he walks into the classroom not making it past the teachers desk.. when people in the class start asking him questions: a) a blonde girl asked "why is your nose painted red" b)"Aren't you Matt, why you dressed like that?" ask another c) "You look like a clown," yells someone from the back. And Matt gets really noticablly sad and he picks up th student list from the teacher's desk and starts reading off the names of the students, an dismisses them from class one by one. And as the first student walks out the door the Dr. rushes in.. 7)i'm talking to the Dr. again, in the classroom, alone and saying that i think Matt will commit suicide. 8) I see two flashes of me walking down the crowded hallways at school and i see the Dr. on both occasions walking toward me like he was on the way to class, and he would smile at me and bow his head.. as a hello. 9)I'm reading over the letter again and think to myself.. 'maybe i should show this to Gerald..' then i think 'no show him a teacher's report.' 10) Now i'm reading the Airy Horse sentence over again and realize the way it was written and not the way i was reading it. And i think to myself 'i should definetly show this to Gerald'.. then i think of Gerald, and Dr. Darwinus ... and start thinking to myself 'what is this a secret cult of the Airy Horse?' 11) I came back into my room and see that my clock says its 1pm and i think to myself 'it is too dark outside for it to be afternoon', then i feel this dread come over me and start thinking 'damn! i missed class... i don't even understand statistics anyways..' on and on. As i realize that i'm really thirsty and walk to my refregirator reaching for a bottle of Diet Coke 1/25/99 3:43am ******************** Ok! there it is, i warned you it would be long...this dream was so vivid and real to me that for a second when i was a awake i thought it really happened.. untill i remembered i saw my little sister.. then i quickly grabbed a pen and wrote it down.. Best Wishes, Aissa ========================== Anyways, dear Victoria, you must remember the other dream of Aissa A..? Regardless, here is the part of my interpretation which concerns the Horse... Really, this is a funny one because it appeared that it was Dr. Darwinus who wrote this Orange "Rising Sun" Report... but if we look carefully we will see that it is in fact the Airy-Horse and by hand... which implies that the Airy-Horse is a human in the flesh... because the way that Horses are made, they have some difficulty to write anything!! :) And did you take the time to look at this most wonderful signature? > > > She who awaits the Airy Horse to be forgiven (by the given). > > > > (by the given) > to be forgiven > the awaits who She > Airy Horse Hey! this is purely magical here... did you see that... the Airy-Horse is so passiontely wild and writes so wonderful things... and by the way would you have any idea who is "The Given"???? The Airy-Horse is the Spirit of the Creator... that means the Creator in his Eternal and Everlasting Spiritual Form.... and more time for your own benefit... gave his Son to the World... because "The Given"... is God's own Gift of Himself in the Flesh!! What a most beautiful Act of Love!!:) And you know, there is a most important Revelation in this extra-ordinary dream of Lady Aissa.... which is the Remembrance of the Secret Divine Cult of the Airy-Horse!!! However, in order to reassure people a little since I fully realise that many of you are afraid of the words... such as the word CULT... but you shouldn't... because if you'd dare to open your dictionary you would discover that the correct definition of the word "Cult" simply is... "An Homage rendered to a Divinity or to a Holy or Saint Personage."!! OK? What is the problem? Are you afraid of Saints? Nothing to be afraid of because Saints are good persons, usually the embodiements of Angels and Great Guides!! Now, to complete this little definition what is an Homage? And again from the dictionary... an Homage simply is... "A Mark of Esteem and Respect towards a powerful personage. A respectful gift or offering or an act by which a person was recommending himself to this personage and usually accompanied by a serment of fidelity. Also, an homage is a Duty of respectuous Civility." Hence, the Cult of the Airy-Horse... is simply the fidel recognition of the Airy-Horse as the Holy Spirit of the Creator!!.. and if everybody would get into the Cult of the Airy-Horse as civilisations did in the past, we'd soon have a New World... a nice Bright Sunshiny One, instead of the Dark one in which we presently live which even Dark at 1PM as noticed by Aissa as this dream was closing in... and a Peaceful one in which it would be nice for everyone "equally treated" to live in!! Do you think that it could be all that bad if the Cult of The Airy-Horse or the Cult of the Creator would again, as it was in the past everywhere in every single civilisations, come into fashion? ****************** Anyways, Victoria, there is to my eyes nothing wrong in knowing what the Creator is and there is no shame nor disgrace in recognising the Creator and to say thanks because if it was not of his love none of us would exist. :) There is something wonderful which is occuring right now which is the fullfilment of the World Prophecies and which is the cause of all your dreams and especially these last ones... "For the Days of the Lord are coming..... . And it shall come to pass afterward, saith God, that I will pour out my Spirit (My Winged-Horse) on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions. Even on my servants and handmaidens I will pour out, in those days, my Spirit; and they shall prophesy." (Words of the Lord himself revealed to the prophet Joël preserved in Joël 2.28-30 in the Old Testament and, due to their crucial importance, repeated in the New Testament in Acts 2.16-18.) *********** So, now, Victoria, please re-orient yourself and begin telling telling people about the true nature of dreams and transmit the word of God faithfully and everything will be fine... because... "When the dead rise... they will be like the angels in heaven." (Words of Jesus in Mark 12,24-25) Mermaid - Subject: "She'll be apples" dream Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 "During the late afternoon, I was walking with my family around our orchard full of apple trees laden with ripe fruit. We were staying in the country, at my father's "estate". The saxophone player from INXS was with us for the evening meal. He seemed a sad man who didn't know his own value. We were all avoiding the issue of Michael Hutchence, whose ghost I could see behind him." ************** What do I need to add, Victoria? As a great dreamer, you seen both Heaven and Hell... and it is with correct knowledge that we walk into the Other World, because ignorance is the mother of all sins and the cause of all the miseries of the material and spiritual!!! And besides, if people would look at it closer, they would realise that will the fullfilment of the world prophecies... which would be the universal recognition of God... everybody would be released from Hell... as stated clearly in the Holy Scriptures... which indicate that this Horse is a Good Being, the Best of all Friends and for your information the Mazdeans are presently awaiting for the coming of the last Amesha-Spenta, Sosiosh, who according to the prophet Zarathustra would be supposed to come at the end of the present millenary... "Sosiosh will be brought down on a white Horse in a tornado of Fire." (extract from "The Secret Doctrine" by H.P. Blavatsky, Vol.I, p.87) According again to their scriptures, Sosiosh, the last Saviour, will preside at the resurrection of the dead and the regeneration of mankind, by preparing the ambrosia which is to render mankind immortal, just as Him. "Praise to Him, the Merciful Lord who maketh the final Retribution, and who at the end shall deliver even the wicked from Hell and restore the whole creation to purity." (extract from "The Encyclopedia of Religions and Ethics" Vol.II, p.137b) It is not complicated, it's only a qustion of recognition. That's all! Look again from the Uriel perspective... who is the Horse and Angel of Light... Despite his eminence, Uriel was reprobated by the Church in Rome in the year 745. To illustrate in what high esteem Uriel was held, we find him described in the 2nd Book of the Sibylline Oracles as one of the "Immortal Angels of the Undying God "who, on the day of judgment, will "break the monstrous bars framed of unyielding and unbroken adamant of the brazen gates of Hades, and cast them down straightway, and bring forth to judgment all the sorrowful forms, yea, of the ghosts of the ancient Titans and of the Giants, and all whom the flood overtook... and all these shall he bring to the judgment seat." (Dictionary of Angels, by Gustav Davidson, Free Press, N.Y, 1975, p.299.) ... can you understand that Victoria? You see, it is most simple, because this whole thing about Judgement Day is the other way around because it is all the people of the Planet who will pass Judgement upon Him... to decide whether He exists or not, along with his Eternal Kingdom.... Revelation 1,7... "Look he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him." ... because God is an Immortal and he created everybody to his own image. In short, if humans have the intellect to recognise God, we will soon have a New Heaven and a New Earth... where all the creatures will live in peace and harmony... in the both... and when you leave for heaven you'll be received among the Gods. From: Sarah LP Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 8:14 AM Subject: the feast Could anyone tell me what this dream means - I had it about 2 months ago: I was seated in a stone castle at a huge, long dining table that was made from something that looked like slate, except it was very thich and obviously extremely heavy. There were about 8 to 10 other people sat round, but they were all about 30 to 40 years older than me (I was 18 at the time). We were having a pretty jolly time, drinking wine and eating this huge feast, when I suddenly realised that these people were the Gods and Goddesses, and that I must be special because I was the only person there who didn't seem to be a God. However, it was strange because I really felt like I belonged and that I'd known these people since the start of time. They were all really nice to me and I just had a really great time. When I woke up I felt really secure and happy, and I also felt extremely well rested, which was strange but I often wake up feeling very tired - I can't get to sleep at night until about 4am, however early I've got up, and when I do get to sleep its always very restless. I have my own, personal religious beliefs, and none of the Gods were typical of Jesus or Allah or Buddha. Any input on what this dream could mean would be much appreciated. slp *********************** Ain't the gift of Eternal Life a beautiful Act of Divine Love?" >She who awaits the Airy Horse to be forgiven (by the >given)." Is that Kindness and Tolerance? Thank you, Victoria, for your kind reply-question. Best Wishes, Gerald ** Dream: "white carousel horse" by Mermaid (990314)** Last night, the formerly dark horse on which I had been flying responded to scratches behind the ear, and pats, by becoming creamy coloured with golden edges. A watering can appeared in the air beside me - a child's red plastic one - and I used it to sprinkle out the fire below. The horse was still animate, but had a golden harness and bridle and a golden barley sugar twist "partial pole" as though it had been separated from its carnival carousel/ merry-go-round. == Commentary by gd on "White Carousel Horse" (990316) == Dear Dream-Flow Dreamers, the following was posted yesterday at MorpheusDreams and relates with Dream-Flow input... so in mutual courtesy and reciprocity here is what was posted at Morpheus... Best Regards and Sweet Dreams, Gerald ******************* Dear Dreamers, for those also connected on Dream-Flow, we have some progression with our most excellent dreamer from Australia, Mrs. Victoria Q... who just had this most interesting and most revealing Dream... From: Victoria Q Subject: white carousel horse Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:39:06 +1100 White Carousel Horse Mermaid Sat 13March1999 Last night, the formerly dark horse on which I had been flying responded to scratches behind the ear, and pats, by becoming creamy coloured with golden edges. A watering can appeared in the air beside me - a child's red plastic one - and I used it to sprinkle out the fire below. The horse was still animate, but had a golden harness and bridle and a golden barley sugar twist "partial pole" as though it had been separated from its carnival carousel/merry-go-round. --------------- Dear Victoria, this is again a most wonderful dream which goes as you clearly state with your previous ones of the Dark Horse... From: Victoria Q Subject: dark horse and fire Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:47:03 +1100 I have been having dreams of flying on a dark horse over swirling fire lately. I feel scared that the fire will consume me, but determined to get over it. ************* OK! Dear Victoria and dreamers, as stated earlier, as soon as you begin to believe in the existence of this Magical Horse... dreams get to rapidly improve. Anyways, for all the people here at Morpheus who have received my Dream Inspired Art exhibition on Friday and for the few of us on the both lists who received the Dream-Flow message later on, late Saturday or even Sunday... the question is... "What unique Horse in the whole world can transform like that from Black to White in a Dream?" The answer to this most childish question, has been exposed on the Net in all my documentation since 16 months or so, in my writings for over ten years and has been preserved in the records of Teutonic Mythology for a few millenaries. :) Yes! There is only one Horse which can do that... as exposed earlier... "Odin" or "Woden" or "Wotan"... the Rider of Sleipnir... the magical flying Horse which was venerated just like his Rider. You may wish to read more about him in "The Encyclopedia of Mythology" English version from pages 252 to 258... of which these are some interesting extracts... or parts of such... "Odin is supposed to be the principal god of the Teutonic people and has been regarded as such for centuries, especially among the ancestors of the Germans." (252) "Odin was armed with a shining breast-plate and a golden helmet. In his hand he grasped the spear Gungnir... His Horse, which was sometimes white and sometimes black, which was able to fly in the air, was the best and Swiftest of all Stallions... and no obstacle existed that it could not overcome." (254) >"His Horse, which was sometimes white and sometimes black..." The same passage in regards to its ability to change colour can be read on page 225 of the french version of the same Encyclopedia... in the second paragraph dedicated to Odin, Wodin, Wotan, or whatever you want to call the Highest Diety or Chief-God of the Teutonic people... who were smartily venerating this Magical Horse as well as his Divine Master. Yes! Allright, back to this Friday the 13th Dream... no-no, I'm just joking that was Saturday the 13th Dream... ha! ahaahh! :) .... ...contains all kinds of interesting elements which appeared as soon as Victoria decided to be affectionate towards the Magical Horse... some elements which I will briefly outline and define, beginning with... >A watering can appeared in the air beside me - a child's red >plastic one - and I used it to sprinkle out the fire below. ... and this is most interesting here, because the Fire below, the Fires of Hells, which is the Fire of the Horse because this Horse, which is the Eternal Spirit of the Lord, is the ruler of both Hell and Heaven gives us at least two clues... the first one belonging to the Solar Birth Astrology of the Rider which is Scorpio... as outlined in the book of Revelation in chapter 9... 9 1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6 During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them. 7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lion's teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails, they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They have as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. **************** ... and of course, this again deals with the Horsemen of the Apocalypse... you know in the general sense that "He is The Chariot of Israel and the Horsemen thereof"... as illustrated in the first 4 Seals described in Revealtion 6.... 6 1 I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" 2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. 3 When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, "Come!" 4 Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword. 5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6 Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" 7 When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" 8 I looked and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine, and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth. ************** .... but as you are aware, you must change this stupid term of Lamb by Angel, because I cleary exposed before that the word "Angelus" or Angel had been confused by the uninspired christian priests with the word "Agnelus"... which is Lamb and everywhere in the Bible where you come to the expression Lamb of God you must replace this most illogic and equally most ignorant stupidity by the correct term of Angel of God which is this Airy-Horse which was kind enough to give Victoria a few rides lately. Anyways, this colour changing Magical Horse can also be read about in Zechariah 6,2 to 6,5... where they say exactly the same thing and further add that these Horses which are actually the only one all the time... is the Spirit(s) of the Lord... or the Spirit(s) of Heaven, depending on the version of the Bible that you may possess because there are only 17 different versions of the Bible and some are more filled with errors than others. :) OK! Regardless, this water bucket deals with Astrology... because it links with a Star which fell from Heaven and this thing about Scorpio tail... relates to the Scorpio aspect of the Rider of the Horse which must be born as a Horse-Scorpio.... and this is what is said about a "Horse-Scorpio", in Suzanne White's "Original Chinese Astrology Book" which you can find anywhere... which says... HORSE-SCORPIO "The Scorpio stands by, ready to chuck a pail of sensible water on the Horse's Fire if it decides to rage out of control. This match is a solid one, Gibraltar never had it so good. though you may perceive what you think are chinks in the armour of this Warrior Horse, for him they are mere scratches. ...... The Horse-Scorpio knows exactly what he is doing. ..... Even a minor deviation from his path to victory will be well-calculated to insert itself discretly into his plan of action. Unlike other Horses, who can be toyed and tamed by psychological connivance, the Scorpio Horse has no time for anything so impractical as untarnished virtue. If the right flank does not get them, then the left will. And no shilly-shallying now! Hup! One, Two, Three, and Ad Infinitum..." ****************** Anyways, as you can see, the bucket of Holy Water of the Faith in the Horse can extinguish the Fires of Hells.... as well known by the Mazdeans, who are presently awaiting for the coming of the last Amesha-Spenta, Sosiosh, who according to the prophet Zarathustra would be supposed to come at the end of the present millenary... "Sosiosh will be brought down on a white Horse in a tornado of Fire." (extract from "The Secret Doctrine" by H.P. Blavatsky, Vol.I, p.87) According again to their scriptures, Sosiosh, the last Saviour, will preside at the resurrection of the dead and the regeneration of mankind, by preparing the ambrosia which is to render mankind immortal, just as Him. "Praise to Him, the Merciful Lord who maketh the final Retribution, and who at the end shall deliver even the wicked from Hell and restore the whole creation to purity." (extract from "The Encyclopedia of Religions and Ethics" Vol.II, p.137b) Also, as you may be aware, the oldest Prayer in the World, addressed to the Swift-Horsed-Sun speaks of this Angelical Spirit of the Lord as being a Good Being... just pay attention here to this ancient prayer which is entitled "Khorshed Yast"... or "Yast to the Sun" and is extracted from the Zend-Avesta Part II, pages 85 to 87 and translated by James Damesteter, Motilal Banarsidass, India. "YAST TO THE SUN " "Unto the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun; Be propitiation, with sacrifice, prayer, propitiation and glorification. The will of the Lord is the Law of Holiness... 1. We sacrifice unto the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun. When the light of the Sun waxes warmer, when the brightness of the Sun rises up, then up stand the heavenly Yazatas, by hundreds and thousands: they gather together its Glory, they make its Glory pass down, they pour its Glory upon the Earth made by Ahura, for the increase of the World of Holiness, for the increase of the Creatures of Holiness, for the increase of the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun. 2. And when the Sun rises up, then the Earth made by Ahura, becomes clean; the running waters become clean, the water of the wells become clean, the standing waters become clean; all the holy creatures, the creatures of the Good Spirit, become clean. 3. Should not the Sun rise up, then the Daêvas would destroy all the things... that are in the seven Kharvares (Regions of the World), nor would the heavenly Yazatas find any way of withstanding or repelling them in the material world. 4. He who offers up a sacrifice unto the undying, shinning, Swift-Horsed Sun - to withstand darkness, to withstand the Daêvas born of darkness...to withstand Death that creeps unseen - offers it up to Ahura Mazda, offers it up to the Amesha-Spentas, offers it up to his own Soul...as he benefits them and himself thereby. He rejoices all the heavenly and worldly Yazatas, who offers up a sacrifice unto the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun. 5. I will sacrifice unto Mithra, the Lord of Wide Pastures, who has a thousand Ears and ten thousand Eyes. I will sacrifice unto the club of Mithra, the Lord of Wide Pastures, well struck down upon the skulls of the Daêvas. I will sacrifice unto that friendship, the Best of all Friendships, that reigns between the Moon and the Sun. 6. For his Brightness and Glory, I will offer unto Him a sacrifice worth being heard, namely, unto the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun Unto the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun, we offer up the libations, the Haoma and food, the Beresma, the wisdom of tongue, the Holy Spells, the Speech, the Deeds, the libations and the rightly-spoken words. 7. The will of the Lord is the Law of Holiness... I bless the sacrifice and the invocation, and the strength and vigor of the undying of the undying, shining, Swift-Horsed Sun. Holiness is the best of all good.... Give unto that Man... who is the Swift-Horsed Sun....Brightness and Glory, give Him Health of Body... give Him Wealth...give Him the bright, all-happy, blissful abode of the Holy Ones." ********************** How beautiful and clearly indicating that this Winged-Horse is a Good Being, the Best of all Friends... so what's the problem? :) Anyways, I must confess that I'm quite surprised to realise that very few people on this planet ever paid any attention to the prophecised Coming or Return of God on His planet or this planet... here is a bit of disorganised material which a few of you may enjoy to read... in this regard, from the works of H.P. Blavatsky and Alice.A. Bailey... Ok! about H.P. Blavatsky. This woman over a hundred years ago, in her most famous book, "The Secret Doctrine" (1888) Vol.1, p.86-87... came really close to disclose the whole mystery in regards to the Primordial Soul of the Universe... which incarnations she refers to as "The Sons of Fire"... and she says... among other things that... "They are connected with a great primordial and universal mystery, and it is not easy to make it clear. There is a passage in the Bhagavadgita (Ch.viii) wherein Krishna, speaking symbolically and esoterically, says: " I will state the times... at which devotees departing (from this life) do so never to return (be reborn), or to return (to reincarnate again)." " And, in the context of the Inner Man, which she refers to in the dream article which you just sent me, she adds... in regards to the Sons of Fire, which Sankaracharya says that they are "A Diety which presides over Time". !!! THEY ARE "A" DIETY... = "He is the Chariot of Israel and the Horsemen thereof." "The Agnishwatha, the Kumara (Mystic Sages), are solar dieties, though the former are Pitris (Ghosts?) also; and these are the "Fashioners of the Inner Man.". They are:- "The Sons of Fire" - because they are the first Beings (in the Secret Doctrine, they are called "Minds").... ... and then, my friends, listen to this, she adds... "Visnu will return on Kalki, the White Horse, as the Last Avatar amid fire and flames; and Sosiosh will be brought down equally on a White Horse in a "tornado of fire." "And I saw heaven open and behold a White Horse, and he that sat upon him... is called the Word of God, amid flaming Fire." (Rev.19,13)" ... and finally she adds that "He is the Manifested Diety - in its Universality." So, as you can see, dear dreamers, she came really close to discover the whole thruth... and if she was here today she could easily in full confidence declare that the guy who dreams of Flying on the Winged-Horse is "The Sons of Fire"!!! Finally, H.P. Blavatsky, in her 2 of inspiration (because there is 98 transpirational bla-bla in her work)... pinpointed the key to the whole universal mystery. However, her only little mistakes is that Kalki is the Hindu name of the Avatar of Synthesis expected to come now... and that Horse in Hinduism is known as Khantara or King Tara. Also, Soshiosh is from the Mazdean Religion and is the Last Saoshyanto or Saviour who is expected for the year 2000 and who will come and restore humanity in purity... an render it immortal!!! Anyways, what she says is basically the same as what Alice. A. Bailey wrote, in the first page of "The Reappearance of the Christ" (1948)... "...He has come and today will be no exception to this ancient rule or to this universal law. For decades, the reappearance of the Christ, the Avatar, has been anticipated by the faithfull in both hemispheres - not only by the Christian faithful, but by those who look for Maitreya and for the Boddhisatva as well as those who expect the Imam Madhi." Also, Alice Bailey in her "Esoteric Astrology" (1951), p.214, wrote that he would be Scorpio... "" ...Ancient One is no longer seen. He sinks to the depth of the ocean of life; he descends into hell, but the gates of hell hold him not. He, the new and living One leaves below that which has held him down throughout the Ages and rises from the depths unto the heights, close to the throne of God." The connection of these words with Christ, the present world Saviour, is obvious in their implications, and yet they were written in our archives over 7,000 years ago. Death in Scorpio is of a different nature and is also described in thefollowing words: "...Ancient One dies by drawning. Such is the test. The waters envelop him and there is no escape. He drowns. The fires of passion are then quenched. The life of desires ceases its appeal and to the bottom of the lake he now descends. Later, he re-ascends to Earth where the White-Horse waits his coming. And this he mounts, proceeding towards the second (next) death."" Kabunga! Can anyone understand these most simple things... it doesn't take a genius to see that. :) I'll tell you one very simple thing. In the past, it took less than 17 successive incarnations of the Winged-Horse in China for them to umnderstand this story, perhaps a dozen with the Celts, less than a dozen with the Assyro-Babylonians, less than a couple dozens with the Greco-Romans, just to say that although people of the present generation consider themselves to be intelligent, I've given the list of over 150 of the previous manifestations of the Lord, or the Chief-God... (because there are countless other Gods too... but the Chief-God is always the self-begotten one who wakes up all the others...), ... and I'm beginning to get the solid impression that poor confused generation of Humanity is slower in the mind or not intellectually developped as the Assyro-Babylonians were already some 7,000 years ago or the Shamans some 50,000 years ago???!!! :) **************** Regardless of this poor intellectual performance of the majority of the present modern souls... let's go back to the dream of Victoria to verify some other clues.... >The horse was still animate, but had a golden harness and bridle and a >golden barley sugar twist "partial pole" as though it had been separated >from its carnival carousel/merry-go-round. ... and this golden harness and bridle links us with written elements of the story of Bellerophon and Athena as exposed again in my little exhibition and elsewhere... "Bellerophon, was a weird personage, who flew on the Winged-Horse in a dream and subsequently killed the Chimera. This is true, the Goddess Athena appeared to him "IN A DREAM", .... THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT STATEMENT..... and gave him a gold bridle thanks to which he was able to tame the Horse Pegasus. (Encyclopedia of Mythology, English version, p.108, French version., p.102... and issued from Pindare's "Olympics" xiii, 63 to 87.)" ... a gold bridle!!! Just like Victoria described. :) OK! The barley, relates to beer and the symbol of spiritual transformation as mentioned several times before and this twist partial pole reresents cyclical continuity... the ceaseless becoming just as in the Su-Asti-Ka!!! That which is eternally good and relates with this continual sempiternal Merry Go Round!! :) Besides, all the gold present in this dream relates to the everlastingness of the Horse which has been described as White Horse with Golden Mane and etc... in various places... especially in Slavonic Mythology as stated in the Encyclopedia of Mythology, in the french version, on page 284, where we can read... "Dazhbog, the Sun, according to Slavonic myths and legends, lived in the East, in a land of eternal summer and abundance. There, he had his golden palace from which he emerged every morning in his luminous chariot, drawn by White Horses who breathed fire, to cross the celestial vault. In a popular polish story, the Sun travels (in the sky) in a chariot of diamonds, pulled by twelve horses with gold manes. In another legend, the Sun lives in Orient, in a palace of gold. He goes around in a carriage pulled by three Horses : Horse of Silver, Horse of Gold and Horse of Diamond." ****************** In any and all cases, the whole idea is simply a question of recognition based upon spiritual knowledge derived from dreams... " For the Days of the Lord are coming..... . And it shall come to pass afterward, saith God, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions. Even on my servants and handmaidens I will pour out, in those days, my Spirit; and they shall prophesy." (Words of the Lord himself revealed to the prophet Joël preserved in Joël 2.28-30 in the Old Testament and, due to their crucial importance, repeated in the New Testament in Acts 2.16-18.) ... and if you can understand that he is the Chariot of Israel and the Horsemen thereof, you will have understood the All and the key to the whole Divine Knowledge and Science... of the Primordial Soul of the Universe... "He shall see his seed, He shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. He shall see the travail of his soul and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many..." Isaïah 53.10-11 "By his KNOWLEDGE shall my righteous servant justify many...!!!" Yah! which goes along with... "...He has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the Saints in the Kingdom of Light. For he has rescued us from the Dominion of Darkness and brought us into the Kingdom...." (Colossians 1, 12-13)... in the context of the knowledge of his will through all spiritual wisdom and understanding which is the knowledge of God... (Colossians 1,9-10)... and of his Kingdom..." "In the context of the KNOWLEDGE of his will through all spiritual wisdom and understanding which is the KNOWLEDGE of God... (Colossians 1,9-10)... and of his Kingdom..." And as the Buddha, who said that he was himself the Horse-of-those-Days.... said about the Greatest Blessing.... "Much KNOWLEDGE, mucg Science and a well trained mind (soul)... is the greatest blessing!!! Yes! So, the final verdict on this dream is simply that if our talented dreamer Victoria and anybody else in this world can realise and recognise this Airy-Horse as the Spirit of the Primordial Soul of the Universe, the doors of Heaven will be wide opened for all of those who can recognise the Holy Spirit of the Lord which is the Seal on their forehead and the Spirit of Lord will escort them to the nice side of the Kingdom of God which is the Kingdom of the Airy-Horse. Thank you all, and thank you again Victoria and keep on patting the Glorious Horse of the Eternal Merry Go Round.... and everything will just be fine. :) Thank you, thank you very much, Gerald +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Farewell for this month. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hasta la vista! See you in the May 1999 issue. May your dreams do their magic in your life. 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