"Most people think their dreams are meaningless, but then won't tell them to you because they are afraid of what they might mean" DreamBat Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams To subscribe to Electric Dreams Send from the address you want to subscribe to electric-dreams-request@lists.best.com And put in the body of the e-mail only subscribe your-email To unsubscribe from Electric Dreams Send from the address you want to unsubscribe to electric-dreams-request@lists.best.com And put in the body of the e-mail only: unsubscribe your-email Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z E L E C T R I C D R E A M S Volume 6 Issue #10 OCTOBER 1999 ISSN# 1089 4284 Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web USA www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z Send Dreams and Comments on Dreams to: Richard Wilkerson Send Dreaming News and Calendar Events to: Peggy Coats Send Articles and Subscription concerns to: Richard Wilkerson: For back issues, dream groups, editors addresses and other access & Staff see ELECTRIC DREAMS ACCESS INFORMATION at the end of this issue Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z C O N T E N T S ++ Editor's Notes ++ Dream Airing: Notes to the Editor, News, Updates. ++ Column: Dream Trek Re-entry And Rabbits Versus The Nightmare By Linda Lane Magall¢n ++Poem: At Home with Strange Dreams William C. Burns, Jr. ++Article: Nightmares - an Introduction Richard C. Wilkerson ++Article: Dreams and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Harry Bosma ++Article: Different kinds of Nightmares and Different Kinds of Approaches by Richard Catlett Wilkerson ++ Global Dreaming News, Calendar, Updates - Peggy Coats ++ Dream Section with Harry Bosma and & Richard Wilkerson XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX OCTOBER 20th , deadline for submission FOR Next Electric Dreams vol 6(11) The millennium year Continues - send in dreams about the future, the year 2000 or related themes! XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Editor's Notes +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Eeeeeeeeek! It's time for the NIGHTMARE ISSUE. Welcome to Electric Dreams! If you are not familiar with our e- zine, this issue may seem rather dark and eerie. That's because it is our Halloween Issue. If you can download the cover, or just look at it online, I highly recommend you do so to get you in the mood of the issue. David Wells has conjured up some special graphics just to scare us this month! Linda Magallon, though very busy writing a new book, has given us a moment from her life and family that involves nightmares and a little trick or treat, depending on how you look at it. Be sure to read Dream Trek. Harry Bosma is back with an update on his site devoted to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and bad dreams. Bosma explores the CFS as it personally effected him and others, the nightmares that ensued and the healing dreams that are possible. I have two nightmare selections this year. One is my traditional introduction to nightmares and the other looks into how people generally handle them when left on their own. Harry Bosma is also joining the Electric Dreams staff by providing his DreamEditor to us for processing and formatting all the dreams that come into the dream-flow each month. See the Dreams Section for all the dreams and comments, for more information on the dream-flow, and more about Harry Bosma and his dream software products. Peggy Coats, online dreamworker extraordinarie, has provided us with all the latest news and updated on dreams and dreaming both online and off. Be sure to get the latest information about the Association for the Study of Dreams. See what workshops are going to be in your area this season. Find a new dream website you have always been looking for. All this and more is in the Global Dreaming News! A Dream Halloween wouldn't be complete without the Swarm. The swarm began as an invitation to dreamers to gather online on Halloween and travel across the Net, leaving tricks and treats along the way. The idea was to use dreams as imaginary platforms from which to move in new and alternative directions. Over the years it has become the time when we get online, check out new and old sites, update dream links and make new dream friends. To keep up on the party news, be sure to send an e-mail to our special autoresponder at swarm@dreamgate.com You can put "info" in the header and body,b ut it doesn't matter, this email address is smart enough to know just what you want and give it to you! - Richard Richard Wilkerson rcwilk@dreamgate.com +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Dream Airing: News, Notes and Events +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Many thanks to Dave Wells, our cover artist for Electric Dreams 6(9) September. Be sure to download a cover! http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-covers Visit the Art Gallery http://home.pacbell.net/davekat ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////// JOIN A DREAM GROUP Many thanks to our wonderful, friendly and insightful DreamWheel moderator, Kathy Turner. Kathy makes the e-mail dream group both a easy way to learn dreamwork as well as providing an environment for experienced dreamworkers to look deeply into their own dreams and the dreams shared by other. See below for the scoop and sign up today. Free as always! ELECTRIC DREAMS DREAMWHEEL DREAM GROUP VIA EMAIL DreamWheel Quick Start Instructions: 1. Subscribe to dream-on mail list - see below. 2. send a dream you want to work on to the moderator Currently: "Kathy Turner" 3. We work on one dream at a time, first asking clarification questions, then allowing everyone to comment. 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Send an email TO: dream-on-request@lists.best.com In the body of the email put only unsubscribe your-email If you would like to recieve the dream email messages from the DreamWheel individually as they come in instead of all together in a package once a day, then send your request TO: dream-on-request@lists.best.com In the body of the email put only subsingle your-email The Electric Dreams DreamWheels are sponsored by DreamGate and the Electric Dreams Community. Instructions come with every phase of the group from a group moderator. Dreams are send in (you can send to me right now, though diane is moderating this Wheel) to the moderator and sorted. We go through the dreams as a group one by one. The first phase is the question phase, asking non-defensive clarification questions of the dreamer, who may or may not respond as they chose. Then in the comment phase each person in the group takes the dream as if it were their own. The process is non-defensive, fun and very revealing. The process is modeled on the work of John Herbert, Richard Wilkerson and other. For sample sessions of the group see Sample Session - Herbert http://users.aol.com/john0417/dmgp/dg16.html Sample Session - Electric Dreams Dream Wheel (Wilkerson & Hicks) http://www.asdreams.org/asd-13/2lb12.htm Sample Session - Electric Dreams Dream Wheel (Wilkerson -Coins of Life) http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/ed-backissues/ed5-9.txt Sample Session - Electric Dreams DreamWheel (Wilkerson - Dreaming with Serbia) http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/serbia To read John Herbert's research work comparing face to face groups with online groups, go to http://users.aol.com/john0417/HuSci/Greet.html Herbert, J.W. (1991) "Human Science Research Methods in Studying Dreamwork: Qualitative and Quantitative Analysis of Face-to-Face and Computer Dream Work Groups" Unpublished Manuscript, Saybrook Institute, San Francisco. For a quick history and summary of this work, see: Wilkerson, R. & Herbert, J. (1995). John Herbert and the Internet Group Dreamwork . Electric Dreams 2(6) http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/articles_rcw/ed2-6jh.htm or A Short History on the Rise of Dream Sharing in Cyberspace - Richard Wilkerson Electric Dreams October 1998 Volume 5 Issue 9 www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams The DreamWheel follows the guideline of ethical conduct set forth by the Association for the Study of Dreams. ASD Dreamwork Ethics Statement ASD celebrates the many benefits of dreamwork, yet recognizes that there are potential risks. ASD supports an approach to dreamwork and dream sharing that respects the dreamer's dignity and integrity, and which recognizes the dreamer as the decision-maker regarding the significance of the dream. Systems of dreamwork that assign authority or knowledge of the dream's meanings to someone other than the dreamer can be misleading, incorrect, and harmful. Ethical dreamwork helps the dreamer work with his/her own dream images, feelings, and associations, and guides the dreamer to more fully experience, appreciate, and understand the dream. Every dream may have multiple meanings, and different techniques may be reasonably employed to touch these multiple layers of significance. A dreamer's decision to share or discontinue sharing a dream should always be respected and honored. The dreamer should be forewarned that unexpected issues or emotions may arise in the course of the dreamwork. Information and mutual agreement about the degree of privacy and confidentiality are essential ingredients in creating a safe atmosphere for dream sharing. Dreamwork outside a clinical setting is not a substitute for psychotherapy, or other professional treatment, and should not be used as such. ASD recognizes and respects that there are many valid and time-honored dreamwork traditions. We invite and welcome the participation of dreamers from all cultures. There are social, cultural, and transpersonal aspects to dream experience. In this statement we do not mean to imply that the only valid approach to dreamwork focuses on the dreamer's personal life. Our purpose is to honor and respect the person of the dreamer as well as the dream itself, regardless of how the relationship between the two may be understood. Prepared by Carol Warner Association for the Study of Dreams Spring, 1997 www.asdreams.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++ ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Paul Tholey was one of the early great experimentors in Lucid Dreaming! We mourn the loss of our former Second Chairman and co-publisher of "Getalt Theory", our international journal. Paul Tholey, PhD Professor for Psychology and Sport Science 1937 - 1998 He fought without compromise for a psychology that is suitable for the critical/realistic demands of humane research and relevant for creating worthy living conditions, despite the prevailing mainstream which is oriented in a totally different direction. His achievements in investigating human consciousness prove his scientifically convincing loyalty to the "Berlin School" of Gestalt theory ("Gestalt psychology") and make him one of their most distinguished contemporary representatives in line with the founders: Max Wertheimer, Wolfgang Köhler, Kurt Lewin, Kurt Koffka and their German students Wolfgang Metzger and Edwin Rausch, his academic supervisor. Paul Tholey as the Second Chairman from 1991 to 1995 as well as the co-publisher of "Gestalt Theory: An International Multidisciplinary Journal" decisively advanced and influenced our society. In the name of the Society for Gestalt Theory and their Applcations - a registered organization (GTA) Dr. Hans-Jürgen Walter, First Chairman ------ Translation: Art Funkhouser ------ German original version: Wir trauern um unseren früheren Zweiten Vorsitzenden und Mitherausgeber unserer internationalen Zeitschrift "Gestalt Theory". Dr. phil. nat. Paul Tholey Professor für Psychologie und Sportwissenschaft 1937 - 1998 Er kämpfte kompromißlos, auch unter der Herrschaft eines ganz anders orientierten "mainstream", für eine Psychologie, die den kritisch-realistis- chen Ansprüchen an Humanität der Forschung und Relevanz für die Gestaltung menschenwürdiger Lebensbedingengen gerecht wird. Seine Leistungen in der Erforschung des menschlichen Bewußtseins belegen seine wissenschaftlich überzeugende Treue zur "Berliner Schule" der Gestalttheorie ("Gestaltpsychologie") und machten ihn zu einem ihrer bedeutensten zeitgenössischen Vertreter in der Nachfolge ihrer Begründer Max Wertheimer, Wolfgang Köhler, Kurt Lewin, Kurt Koffka und deren deutschen Schülern Wolfgang Metzger und Edwin Rausch, seinem Doktorvater. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// One of the models for Electric Dreams came from Sundance Journal, edited by dream titan Henry Reed. This Journal is now coming online! http://www.creativespirit.net/sundancedreamjournal/ Quotes from the Web Site: "This journal marked a turning point in the history of dreams, a milestone. Ordinary dreamers were given their own forum for sharing their dreams and their insights about dreamwork. The publication of this journal created a community of learners researching dreams. As the slogan went, "every dreamer is a researcher and every dream is an experiment in consciousness." The Sundance journals showed that it was possible for the average person to participate and make a contribution to the understanding of dreams and their constructive use in daily life. The ordinary dreamer thus scooped the academic dream scientist, who at that time did not have any publication devoted to dreams. Today Sundance is a collector's item. We are republishing the six issues here, a few pages at a time, to make this historic document available to everyone. Twenty plus years after its publication, its articles are still relevant, and its prophetic visionary quest, "The Sundance Experiment" is quite timely. "By common agreement, the father of the dreamwork movement is Henry Reed, Now a licensed professional counselor in Virginia Beach, Virginia.* Reed first became interested in dreams during the late 1960s, while he was working toward his doctorate at U.C.L.A. and studying dream psychology. At that time, he was also wrestling with alcoholism. When all of his other sobriety campaigns failed, he had a series of graphic dreams that did the trick -- notably one revolting nightmare that associated wine with pus oozing from open sores. So impressed was Reed by the curative power of his dreams that he formed a new life ambition: to free dreamwork from the separate ghettos of psychiatric therapy and occult practice and to return it to the dreamers themselves. Asked to describe his role as one of the early architects of popular dreamwork, he modestly claims, "All I did really was bring up-to-date a tradition that is long- standing, especially among American Indians." http://www.creativespirit.net/sundancedreamjournal/ //////////////////////////////////////////////////////// KING RICHARD III O Ratcliff, I have dream'd a fearful dream! What thinkest thou, will our friends prove all true? RATCLIFF No doubt, my lord. KING RICHARD III O Ratcliff, I fear, I fear,-- RATCLIFF Nay, good my lord, be not afraid of shadows. KING RICHARD III By the apostle Paul, shadows to-night Have struck more terror to the soul of Richard Than can the substance of ten thousand soldiers Armed in proof, and led by shallow Richmond. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= DREAM TREK By Linda Lane Magall¢n Re-entry And Rabbits Versus The Nightmare =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= One night when she was eleven, my daughter Teresa had a particularly scary nightmare. I helped her out, using a combination of two dreamwork techniques. With Waking Dream Re-entry, Teresa first re-visualized the dream, as it was. Then she expanded it, as if she were adding chapters to a larger story. The Dream Character Interview involved "talking" to dream characters in her imagination. Afterwards, I asked Teresa to relate her version of the experience into a tape recorder. I transcribed these notes, which began with her dream: "I'm watching 'The Sigorney Weaver Show,' like a sit-com on TV. Sigorney got married to the guy who survived with her from (the movie) 'Aliens.' He is still recovering from the shock and trauma. She has two sons plus the little girl who she saved in 'Aliens.' "Sigorney leaves for work but her husband stays home and her kids go to school. She comes back a couple of seconds later with this guy in the car next to her. He has glasses, a black beard and a mustache. He looks like a professor type person. I know in my mind, without the TV even announcing it, that he is a psychiatrist who comes over every day to help her husband with his trauma. So she leaves the psychiatrist there. "But he isn't a psychiatrist, like their old one, and I start getting scared. The TV picture gets larger and then I feel like I am inside of it. The psychiatrist begins walking around the upstairs, waiting for Sigorney's husband. He pulls on his face and it comes off. I know he is an alien and he wants to eat Sigorney's husband. I don't really see the alien because I turnaway in the dream. I am too scared to see his ugly, scummy face. "I wake up frightened and go to my parents' room and crawl into bed with my mom." Teresa commented: "The house was like the one in the sit-com 'Valerie.' This short section was at the end of a longer dream - I can't remember the other parts but they were going on for a couple of hours. "When I talked to my mom about this nightmare, she had me go back into the dream and discover a lot of things. She had me ask the alien his name and I said he was 'Mr. Gruesome.' She had me ask him what he likes to do. He likes to play chess and play 'Salad Bar.' I asked him what 'Salad Bar' was and he said, 'You take out salad bar ingredients from the refrigerator - like the ingredients you regularly see in a restaurant. Then you put them together and eat them.' He likes to play chess - by himself. "I asked him why he wanted to eat Sigorney's husband. He said because, in 'Aliens' Sigorney had killed off most of his people. He was one of the last survivors. The female who reproduced didn't get destroyed, she just got sent out into space. He was one of her additions after the battle. "We asked him if he wanted a hug and he said, 'Yes.' Then his brother appeared. He had been searching for Mr. Gruesome in a space ship - sent out by his other brothers and sisters. His brother gave the alien a hug and took him back home to his mother. "Then I thought about it and I asked myself, if he was an alien, why would he be eating salad: he's supposed to be a man-eating slime ball. Why would he want to play chess? He'd rather eat the board, probably. Why would he be doing these things if he was an alien? What *is* he, for real? "My mom helped me think. We knew first that he was disguised as a psychiatrist. Maybe the alien was a disguise, too. "The first thing that came to my mind was 'Peter Rabbit.' He had been in my dream earlier in the night. Then I thought about it and said, 'I'm right - Mr. Gruesome *is* a rabbit.' I don't know about the chess part, but rabbits eat salad. Now this wasn't in my dream, but I deciphered and found it out on my own." After our dreamwork, Teresa's older brother Victor had come into the bedroom to iron his clothes for school. Teresa said, "I had a dream about an alien. Guess who the alien turned out to be?" Vic's immediate reply was, "A rabbit." "What?" I replied astonished, "Are you kidding?" I thought that perhaps he had overheard our conversation. But he hadn't. Instead, Vic asked me, "You know that dream about the wolf?" He was referring to one of his own nightmares from a couple of years before. "You told me to pretend that he was a rabbit and to tell him, 'GO EAT CARROTS!'" We all burst out laughing. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= At Home with Strange Dreams William C. Burns, Jr. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Try as I might To set my hand against the sky I could not stop the sun I could not hold back the darkness Silent The gathering dusk flows into the room Pooling on the floor Flowing beneath and around the familiar Furniture Filling the nooks . . . Silent In a silent house Relenting at length Fuzzing along the edges I relinquish the Day The scrunched pillow The flowered throw knitted by Mom I reach into the cool dark water and draw a handful into my mouth The night air opens the bow of my dream ship slices through the hours in search of dawn Strange dream angels come softly across the lake The lights in their eyes dance like tiny fires upon the water A breeze breaks the reflection into a field of rubies Night follows day Day follows night I am dreaming Or am I waking? I'm screaming through the night at the speed of sound Lost somewhere between the Earth and Sky in a dream of steel and glass The clouds water colored in hues of pewter and white The city lights sparkling like diamonds strewn on black velvet I am falling I am swimming with Fishes Fishes in hobnailed boots Stomping the cobble stones In the harbor mists Gasping Cursing their foul luck The whirling ebb of the tidal waters carries many things onto the sand Leaving them like offerings leaving them like verses.... A shell incomplete and broken in places A piece of coral a piece of leaf A bottle without a note Driftwood rubbed smooth by the hands of time and tide Sea weed flecked with foam Rocks and sand Streams of light pierce the draperies Is it morning already? William C. Burns, Jr. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Nightmares - an Introduction Richard C. Wilkerson =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ from the cyber-dream Library, topics area. Www.dreamgate.com/dream/library/ There are a wide range of events during sleep and wake that are often referred to as "nightmares" and it is wise to learn to distinguish between them. Most of what we call nightmares are simply extreme reactions and fear that accompany uncomfortable dreams that occur from time to time in most everyone, usually towards the end of the sleep cycle. Often we are awakened by a nightmare and there can be strong feelings of sadness, anger or guilt, but usually fear and anxiety. Often we are being chased, and its not unlikely for children to be chased by animals and fantasy figures, while adults are often chased by male adults. Night terrors usually occur during the first hour or two of sleep. Screaming and thrashing about are common. The sleeper is hard to awaken and usually remembers no more than an overwhelming feeling or a single scene, if anything. Children who have night terrors also may have a tendency to sleepwalk and/or urinate in bed. The causes of night terrors are not well understood, though it appears that night terrors are from a distinctly different stage of sleep. Children usually stop having them by puberty. They may be associated with stress in adults. A consultation with a physician may be useful if the night terrors are frequent or especially disturbing. Why do we have nightmares? Nightmares may have several causes, including drugs, medication, illness, trauma or they may have no related cause and be spontaneous. Often they occur when there is stress in one's waking life, and when major life changes are occuring. What can be done about nightmares? The Association for the Study of Dreams notes that "It really depends on the source of the nightmare. To rule out drugs, medications or illness as a cause, discussion with a physician is recommended. It is useful to encourage young children to discuss their nightmares with their parents or other adults, but they generally do not need treatment. If a child is suffering from recurrent or very disturbing nightmares, the aid of a therapist may be required. The therapist may have the child draw the nightmare, talk with the frightening characters, or fantasize changes in the nightmare, in order help the child feel safer and less frightened ." Nightmares also offer the same opportunity that other dreams do, to investigate the symbols and imagery for life enhancement. The challenge in the last few decades for the dreamwork movement has been to teach a variety of methods that replace the old phase "It was just a dream." In American schools, people like Jill Gregory and Ann Wiseman teach children coping mechanisms that allow the child to come into relationship with the dream monsters and fears in a novel and related manner. Ernest Hartmann and other researchers are finding that those who have "thin" personalities, or sensitive, receptive individuals, are more likely to have nightmares than "thick" personalities. Pioneers like Linda Magallon, Stephen Laberge and Jayne Gackenbach are teaching people to take control of their dreams and have the outcomes they wish rather than becoming the dream's victim. The Association for the Study of Dreams offers some advice and books on nightmares and you will find among its members the top researchers in the field. NIGHTMARE BOOKS RECOMMENDED BY ASD Special Issue of Dream Time, with many researchers articles on Nightmares and Children. Much of the work is applicable to adults. Volume 15 numbers 1&2 Winter/Spring 1998 Available via ASD www.asdreams.org $7.00 Wiseman, Ann Sayre (1986, 1989). Nightmare help. A guide for adults and children. Ten Speed Press. Krakow, Barry, and Neidhardt, Joseph (1992). Conquering bad dreams and nightmares. Berkeley Books. Hartmann, Ernest (1984).The Nightmare: The Psychology and Biology of Terrifying Dreams. Basic books. (New - I haven't reviewed this yet): Dreams and Nightmares: The New Theory on the Origin and Meaning of Dreams. A new book by Ernest Hartmann, M.D. is now available for ordering through Plenum Publishers. MORE ON NIGHTMARES Cushway, Delia, and Sewell, Robyn (1992) Counseling with dreams and nightmares.Sage publications. Kellerman, Henry (Ed.) (1987). The Nightmare: Psychological and Biological Foundations. Columbia University Press. Lazar, Moshe (Ed) (1983). The Anxious Subject: Nightmares and Daymares in Literature and Film.Undena. Downing, J., and Marmorstein, E. (Eds.) Dreams and Nightmares: A Book of Gestalt Therapy Sessions. New York: Harper and Row, 1973. Do you have some favorite Nightmare Books? Send them to me! Richard Wilkerson rcwilk@dreamgate.com.com =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Dreams Harry Bosma =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= The Dream Healing Room: http://www.xs4all.nl/~hbosma/healing_dreams/drmwelc.html Note from editor: I received the following note from "K" a man suffering a sleep disorder and forwarded this to Harry. His response was so generous I asked him if we could publish it on Electric Dreams. - Richard From "K" Constant Dreams and Sleeping Disorders I've been interested in dreams for a very long time, as I usually remember them in great detail, and have had precognitive dreams. I have health problems, and have been diagnosed as having a sleeping disorder. I have problems falling asleep, then seem to dream constantly, I'm often exhausted when I wake up. I may have fibro myalgia, and have read that sleeping disorders may be a cause of the condition, or just a factor of it. I would like to know if anyone has any research studies or information on people who dream too much. I don't seem to do very much deep sleep, my husband says most the time I appear to be dreaming. Any info or feedback would be appreciated. Thanks! Reply from Harry Bosma: I'm a CFS patient who initially got diagnosed with a severe case of mono in 1994. Like you I've been interested in dreaming for a long time so when I finally had some energy returned I published a homepage called Healing Dreams, looking for other CFS patients also interested in dreaming. Sleep problems are a factor in CFS and especially in fibro myalgia. From what I hear from other patients there isn't just one single type of sleep problem, but all kinds of problems: sleeping over 12 hours a day, barely sleeping at all, interrupted sleep and more or less normal sleep that however isn't refreshing at all. Two years ago somebody published rather preliminary research results that suggested that fibro myalgia patients have a flaw in the quality of their sleep similar to eldery people, skipping the parts of the sleep that produce growth hormones. I never heard anything from it since. I think you have to be very careful with experimenting. Some people suggest to use melatonin. Recent British research suggest that CFS is caused by too high levels of melatonin. At the Dutch CFS mailinglist this naturally upset quite a lot of patients who thought it was a innocent miracle drug. At my homepage I also warn patients complaining about vivid dreams for melatonin, because this same melatonin is used by (aspiring) lucid dreamers to get more vivid dreams. To prevent sleep problems I can only give the usual advice: don't be overactive just prior to sleeping. By the way, "just prior" can mean hours to most of the day for us because it takes so very little to get our bodies stressed and so very long to calm down again. Use some kind of bed going ritual, etc. You probably know all these things already. As to too much dreaming, I doubt if that is really a problem. It is sometimes suggested that too much dreaming can be exhaustive, but I have never seen any research results to back that up. (I've sent Richard a CC so perhaps he will correct me here). Actually, I personally tend to see it as a good sign because during the early period of my CFS history I went straight into a black coma, only to come out of it 10-14 hours later and even then with great difficulty. It was more like the stories you hear about near-death experiences, but then without the tunnel, the lights and everything else. You say you're interested in dreams. You could consult your dreams for more information on your current state. Though usually dreams volunteer information when it somehow seems necessary to correct your daily view or approach of your situation. If you're interested in this I could tell you a bit more about it. In the meantime I hope I've answered a few of your questions. If you want to take a look at the Healing Dreams homepage, you're welcome. The URL is in my signature. Regards, Harry http://www.xs4all.nl/~hbosma/healing_dreams/drmwelc.html Nightmare-awake!...oh Moonbeam on my windowsill banishing the dark Nora Leonard =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Different kinds of Nightmares and Different Kinds of Approaches by Richard Catlett Wilkerson =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Dream: "At first I was going to run like I have done before in other dreams with this thing. The dark creature scared me and threatened to harm me, it even seemed to know where I would hide. But this time I stood up to the thing and demanded that it back off. To my surprise, the creature stopped and sat up like a puppy, as if it were begging for a bone. I was flooded with tears as I thought how lonely this creature must be." BK Although this is a modern dream, it could well have been the dream of a Senoi child, a semi-mythical tribe said to have shared dreams each morning. The Senoi taught their children to confront nightmare monsters and even to extract a gift from them in reparation. These techniques of nightmare confrontation are now being employed and expanded by researchers to help nightmare suffers around the world. Many of the processes can be used safely by adults or parents with their children. There are many scary events in life and in sleep that we refer to as "nightmares" and it is important to distinguish between them. The most common frightening events during sleep are nightmares, night terrors and sleep paralysis. (Asd Nightmare faq quote) Nightmares, Night Terrors or Sleep Paralysis? Unpleasant dreams are not uncommon and may at times wake us up and be called Nightmares. Nightmares are extreme reactions of negative feelings, often with great amounts of fear, that occur during dreams and are recalled upon awakening. Though more common in children, they can happen to anyone. Children are often chased by animals and fantasy figures. Adults are often chased by male adults. Generally they occur in the last part of the night or sleep cycle. Contributing factors in the cause of nightmares include illness, stress, troubled relationships and traumatic event. Ernest Hartmann, a leading researcher in America on Nightmares has noted that some personality types can be prone to nightmares. There seem to be natural or early learned personality styles that produce dream people and thought people. The thought people maintain thick boundaries between contexts, are very focused and can shut dreaming memory out altogether. Dream people have thin boundaries, are more sensitive, have a wider, softer focus and tend to recall dreams very easily, sometime frightening dreams. Traumatic events can trigger a long lasting series of recurrent nightmares often diagnosed as part of PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. These nightmares are different in that they repeat the same scene over and over for years. They are usually found in veterans, but other traumas may also bring this about. These nightmare sufferers usually require professional assistance. However, most of our nightmares (and other unpleasant dreams) can be easily turned into positive experiences by new techniques in dreamwork. Night terrors are different from nightmares. First, they usually occur during the first hour or two of sleep. It is not uncommon to hear the person screaming or thrashing around. It is often hard to wake the sleeper and they rarely remember anything. Children who have night terrors may also sleepwalk or urinate in bed. Night terrors are not well understood, and seem to come from a part of sleep that is rarely associated with dreams and dreaming. By puberty, children usually stop having night terrors. Adults having night terrors often are also leading very stressful lives. A consultation with a physician may be useful if the night terrors are frequent or especially disturbing, though often just talking about it or making small changes in sleep routine is enough. One long term researcher notes that "I have found that night terrors are often more disturbing and stressful for the parents than the child." Sleep paralysis is the experience of not being able to move. Often there is a feeling of great weight on the chest making it hard to breath. Fantasy and reality can mix, hallucinations may appear and loud buzzing noises, vibrations and feelings of being touched or electrified. Sometimes the person realizes they are dreaming and still can't wake up. Researchers feel that sleep paralysis is really a partial awakening during REM or Rapid Eye Movement Sleep, when the body is naturally parked off line. Messages from the brain are stopped from entering the body and it is a natural condition that occurs about ever 90 minutes of sleep. Since anxiety about the situation occurs, adrenaline speeds up the body and people can even feel that they are leaving their body. The recommendation by researcher Stephen Laberge is simply to realize it is a dream that can't harm you and to relax. Dreams that proceed from paralysis experiences are often quite intense and wonderful. Facing the Fear The famous dream researcher Calvin Hall notes that Americans say more than half of all reported dreams are unpleasant. Many researchers feel this is due to the attitudes we carry with us to bed. What if, before going to bed at night we brushed our attitude as well as our teeth? This is just what both ancient and modern dreamworkers encourage. With the application of a few simple techniques, we can nurture a dream garden of delights and turn the worst monsters into friends and allies. Some of the techniques are so simple that children can learn them. Ann Sayre Wiseman teaches children in grade school how to confront Nightmares. She has them first draw the monster or fear and then draw a solution. At first children often shoot or destroy the monster, but later develop more creative solutions like magic circles and cages, as well as complex problem solving strategies. Representing the dream by drawing allows the children time to dialogue with the fears, as well as empowering them to feel safe and experiment with options to running away. These powers are carried over into the night time dreams. One child who was plagued by a bear-like monster reported that he was able to yell at the monster "Stop, why are you chasing me?" The monster stopped chasing him and began crying that we was just looking for someone to play with. Jill Gregory has used similar techniques with grade school children by getting them to stage the dream. She first has the children create a costume for the dream monster, and then they get to "show and tell". Gregory would further ask the children to come up with a more satisfying solution to the dream. These stagings or dream dramas become a skill with carries over into the dream world. One doesn't have to even explore the symbolic meaning of the dream for these techniques to work. Adults may practice the same techniques. The daytime practice sessions are important, even when it seems silly. This is because our minds get into habits, just like our bodies. If we have a pattern of running away, this pattern has to be strongly connected with new options. Setting a mental or verbal intention to try these options is an important step, but may not be remembered in the panic of a nightmare as well as actual practice. Draw or sculpt or dramatize the creature and clear options and reactions to being assaulted. If you don't have the time to draw or dramatize your dream, you may wish to try dream-reentry. In dream reentry the dreamer becomes relaxed and begins to recall the dream, to imagine re- entering the dream. However, if there is some part of the dream that is unpleasant, the dreamer then imagines an alternative solution. Laberge and other experts suggest the solution involve something more creative than just wishing the problem away. Wishing the problem away is a sneaky form of the same fear reaction of running away. The model of bringing more consciousness to dreams that started with the Senoi tribe and has been practiced by many modern researchers. 1. Do not flee from threatening dream characters. Confront them courageously. Set limits. Ask for their name as a parent would ask a child who was misbehaving what his or her name was. 2. Try to find a creative solution with the dream monster that satisfies you both. If impossible, try to get the monster to look at the problem as a mutual dispute. Refuse threats and insults, but recognize justified objections. 3. Never surrender to an attack by a dream figure. Take up a posture that shows you will defend yourself. Stare them in the eye. If a fight is unavoidable, try to overcome them but not kill them. Offer a reconciliation. 4. After reconciliation or stopping the dream figure, ask how they might be able to help you. Or ask for a gift if they recognize they have been wrong to torment you. 5. With children, it is very effective to teach them to call on a super-hero friend or parent to help them in the dream. Often people will share a nightmare or bad dream with a friend or relative. If you are on the listening side, there are some simple skills you can use to listen to the dreamer. Jeremy Taylor and Gayle Delaney have been teaching these skills for years. They both see the nightmare as a gift which can be unwrapped alone or with the help of someone else. Jeremy Taylor uses a variation of the "If this were my dream..." technique originally developed by the famous dreamworker Montague Ullman. With the "If this were my dream..." approach, the listener at first does just that, listens without interruption. Then a few clarifying questions are asked, such as the color of a coat, or the contents a box or the feeling in the dream at the time. Any question that might call for an interpretation is avoided, such as "What do you think the blue coat meant?" Finally, the listener takes the dream as his or her own. John Herbert has used this technique online and suggests that before every sentence the thought "In my dream..." is kept in mind. Thus as a listener I might say "In my dream, the blue coat reminds me of something to cover myself with, as if I were cold." The dreamer may or may not see this meaning in their own dream. By taking the dream as one's own, the dreamer needn't worry so much about someone imposing meaning on the dream. Taylor feels that we should keep in mind that all dreams, even nightmares, come in the service of healing and health. Any interpretation that does not serve this view is simply wrong and inappropriate. Gayle Delaney, one of the founding parents of the Association for the Study of Dreams, suggests abandoning interpretations altogether. Delaney has developed a dream interview system that allows a listener to ask questions about a person's dreams without getting involved in suggesting meanings at all. Like Taylor, she recommends that the first step is careful listening, showing empathy without interruption and allowing the dreamer to feel comfortable. She then suggests diagraming the dream. This involves outlining the major actions, people, objects/animals/monsters and feelings. The dreamer is then invited to describe without interpreting each of these elements to the listener as if the listener were from Mars or another planet. This way, usual assumptions are bypassed and the dreamer can explain and explore the dream imagery more deeply. The listener can summaries and repeat or condense these and feed them back to the dreamer so the dreamer feels sure the listener has accurately heard the dream. The listener can then encourage the dreamer to make bridges to waking life. How are each of these elements like something in the dreamer's life? Usually this can be done by generalizing the function of the image. If its a refrigerator, its a place to keep things cool, and where in my life do I keep things cool? If its a car without breaks, where in my life are there things in motion that I can't stop? Finally, the interviewer might ask if there are alternatives. If my life is like a car without breaks, how would I like it differently? Lucid Dreaming and Nightmares "I believe the best place to deal with unpleasant dreams is in their own context, in the dream world. We create our nightmares out of the raw material of our own fears. Fears are expectations--why would we fear something we thought would never happen?" Stephen Laberge In part II we discussed techniques you can practice before going to sleep or after waking up. But note one item here, while dream monsters may frighten you emotionally, they are after all just dreams. If you realized it was a dream, while you were dreaming, then what could harm you? In some ways, when we wake up, a similar reaction occurs. We realize it is a dream. But researchers have found that this is not the best or most satisfying approach: "'Escaping' from a nightmare by awakening only suppresses your conscious awareness of the anxiety-provoking imagery. You may feel a certain relief, but like the prisoner who digs through his prison wall and finds himself in the cell next door, you haven't really escaped." Laberge & Rheingold Finding a creative resolution is even easier when we realize that it is a dream and we continue dreaming. This is what is called "lucid dreaming". Lucid dreaming occurs spontaneously in many dreamers, but it is also a technique that can be learned. Though not as easy as the previous techniques, it is often more fulfilling and worth the effort to many dreamers. Though lucid dreaming became an object of investigation in the 19th Century, its popular scientific status was not obtained until the late 1970's, when Stephen Laberge was able to demonstrate lucid dreaming in laboratory conditions. This rise into mainstream science allowed others to bring their research on lucidity and nightmares to the public. Lucid dreaming researchers now have a variety of programs and techniques for learning to have lucid dreams and it has become one of the most popular topics on the Internet in the venues that discuss dreams. Lucid dreaming is now even taught to children. Techniques for increasing the frequency of lucid dreams vary with the individual. There are many combinations of methods that work for many people. Here are some ideas based on *Lucid Dreamer's Quick Reference* by Lars Spivock: * Throughout the day, ask yourself "Am I Dreaming?" and imagine something wonderful you could be doing in your dream - this is your dream goal. Use your watch or something you notice often as a reminder to ask. Limit excitement, food, drink, and exercise for several hours before bedtime. Drinking plain water, sex, and small amounts of caffeine may be beneficial. * Arrange your dream space with inspirational items. Keep your journaling materials, writing or taping, bedding, and blinds in good working order. In the hour before sleep, have only relaxing thoughts and activities. Write the date and your goal dream in your journal. Just before sleep, with your eyes closed, review your goal dream and affirm to wake up after each dream. * As you awaken from a dream, memorize it in detail before you open your eyes or change your body position. Record it in your journal. If you are not ready to fall back asleep, get up and do something for a while. * As you fall back asleep, repeatedly imagine your last dream, recognizing that you are dreaming and guiding the outcome. Your continuation of the dream may involve boldly confronting an adversary. You can transform yourself into any object, animal or human role. You can transform someone or something else in the dream. You can apply elements from your goal dream. * When you recognize you are dreaming, calmly enjoy the unfolding of the dream. Optionally perform a reality test by levitating and calmly begin guiding the outcome. When your lucidity begins to fade away, spin your dream body and affirm to start your goal dream when lucidity returns. * Favor waking up to birdsongs instead of an alarm radio set to the news. Upon waking, keep your eyes closed and remain motionless for a few minutes while reviewing your dreams from the night before. Then make your journal entries, even if only fragments. Have a relaxed attitude of acceptance towards the outcome. Sooner or later you will be rewarded with better dream recall and wonderful dreams. Here are some ideas for goal dreams. You supply the important specific details to suit yourself: entertainment - fly to the moon or travel through time romance - have a romantic encounter healing - heal yourself or someone else problem solving - solve a work-related or social problem creativity - create a work of art spirituality - talk to god enlightenment - learn about yourself of the unconscious out of body - visit another place or someone elses's dream self-indugence - gluttony or shopping binges sleep - end nightmares or dreamining dreams The techniques of becoming lucid require some attention and practice for most people. A whole array of technology has now sprung up to assist with this process. Most of them work on the same principle. A mask of some kind is worn during sleep. The mask will detect when the sleeper enters REM or Rapid Eye Movement Sleep and send a signal. This signal is usually light or light and sound that is adjusted to be strong enough to enter into the dream but not so strong as to wake the dreamer. As you can imagine, the adjustment period may take some time. Next the dreamer must practice learning to recognize the light and sounds as a signal and not just incorporate the noise as a dream traffic light or alarm clock. All these technologies are for assistance only, and need to be combined with other instructional programs. PRESCRIPTIONS FOR NIGHTMARES Once you are lucid in a threatening dream situation, there are a wide variety of paths to choice from. Laberge and Rheingold suggest the following: 1. Theme: Being pursued Response: Stop running. Turn to face the pursuer. This is in itself may cause the pursuer to disappear or become harmless. If not, try starting a conciliatory dialog with the character or animal. 2. Theme: Being attacked Response: Don't give in meekly to the attack or flee. Show your readiness to defend yourself and then try to engage the attacker in a conciliatory dialog. Alternatively, find acceptance and love in yourself and extend this towards the threatening figure (see Chapter 11). 3. Theme: Falling Response: Relax and allow yourself to land. The "old wives' tale" is false--you will not really die if you hit the ground. Alternatively, you can transform falling into flying. 4. Theme: Paralysis Response: When you feel trapped, stuck or paralyzed, relax. Don't allow anxiety to overcome your rationality. Tell yourself you are dreaming and the dream will soon end. Let yourself go along with any images that appear or things that happen to your body. None of it will hurt you. Adopt an attitude of interest and curiosity about what happens. 5. Theme: Being unprepared for an examination or speech Response: First of all, you don't need to continue with this theme at all. You can leave the exam or lecture room. However, you might enhance your self-confidence in such situations by creatively answering the test questions or giving a spontaneous talk on whatever topic suits you. Be sure to enjoy yourself. When you wake up, you may want to ask yourself whether you should actually prepare for a similar situation. 6. Theme: Being naked in public Response: Who cares in a dream? Have fun with the idea. Some find being naked in a lucid dream erotically exciting. If you wish, have everyone else in the dream remove their clothes. Remember, modesty is a public convention, and dreams are private experiences. Summary on Nightmare Help While lucid dreaming allows us to control our dreams, it is difficult for some to learn and may not deal with the underlying causes. Dream exploration, keeping a dream journal or sharing dreams with others are often enough and a good practice whether one is having nightmares or not. Learning confrontation techniques and lucid dream techniques will further help nightmare sufferers and empower ourselves and our children in waking life as well. If the nightmare persists or reoccurs, it may be time to discuss this with a physician, especially since some drugs, medication and illnesses can be a contributing cause of nightmares. It is useful to encourage young children to discuss their nightmares with their parents or other adults, but they generally do not need treatment. Having the child draw the nightmare, talk with the frightening characters, fantasize changes in the nightmare or learn to call on dream protectors and dream parents will help the child feel safer and less frightened. Ernest Hartmann has noted how the dream state is like therapy in two special ways, they both are a safe place to make connections. Dreams will play with everything we do and feel and it makes connections with a wide variety thoughts, feeling and memories. 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Lucid Dreaming and Lucid Control. San Francisco, CA : DreamGate Publications. Wiseman, Anne Sayre (1986). Nightmare Help: A guide for Parents and Teachers. Berkeley, CA: Ten Speed Press. Worsley, Alan (1982). Alan Worsely's work on lucid dreaming. _Lucidity Letter_ 1(4) 21-22. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++ ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** DREAMS ** ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ volume 144 - 159 Hello and welcome to the DREAM SECTION of Electric Dreams. This section is edited by the DreamEditor, a software creation of Harry Bosma, author of the Dream interpretation and journaling software Alchera (homepage: http://mythwell.com) The Electric Dreams DREAM SECTION includes dreams and comments from the DREAM FLOW, a project to circulate dreams in cyberspace. 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Simply hit the return or reply key, change REJECT to ACCEPT in the subject field and send the note back. -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n161 -------------- 002 - Anonymous - Earth Day Connections 003 - Anonymous - grocery store --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n161.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Earth Day Connections Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:26:23 -0700 Earth Day Connections: dreambat Sept 24, 1999 I am walking down a busy street. Its not a main street, but everyone is going to work. I pass an old supervisor and they sadistically smile at me. I think about how glad I am I don't work for that organization anymore and wonder what they would think now about having wasted my talents and resources. I go to a two or three story garage. Its also a school and car repair and research and other things kind-of-place. I talk with people at a kind of meeting-yet-party and eventually they leave. I used to work here as well and need to access the computers. I try for sometime to bring up my account on one computer but have to go into another part of the building to turn on another computer before they can connect. I go and find the room, its like a typical lab room in a research facility, though also like a school and a warehouse or car repair office. That is, messy, full of papers, not very clean. I turn this computer on and then go upstairs to another computer I need connected. I see someone working in the evening light, a guy at a table full of machines he is working on, like old radios, computer equipment, and other technologies. I turn the computer on and connect with the systems operator who is on a computer in some other part of the building. I tell them I need to have access to my account and need these various computers networked. We fiddle for awhile and he asks me what room the other computer I needed connection to was in. I tell him. He asks me if I realize what day it is? "No," I say "What day is it?" He says its Earth Day. I look through a long window at a building across the way, and notice again the late evening sun. I also notice how quite it is and think that everyone must be off for Earth Day. I worry that they systems operator will now say that nothing can be done because everyone is off. But instead he says "Since its so quiet, I guess I can just come down look at the computer myself." I tell him I will meet him in the room and head off. dreambat --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n161.3 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: grocery store Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:30:38 -0700 Dream Title grocery store by Nellie Date of Dream Septemer 2 1999--night Dream I lived in a grocery storw with my boyfriend and his family and all of a suddn i got pregnant. I went into labor and my boyfriends mom had to so a c-section on me but she didi it with her real life favorite butcher knife. She cut a circle into my stomach and pulled the skin out and then pulled the baby out and put the piece of skin back in and put a stitch in the corner of my stomach. It was really fun and i had a great time while she did it. My baby was extremely ugly. It had huge monster eyebrows that connected and two differsnt sized and colored eyes and really fat ugly lips. And everyone thought it was beautiful. I went home and showed my boyfriend the ugly baby and my really cool stitches and he said cool. Comments by Dreamer It was weird Permission to Comment yes_share_comments -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n160 -------------- 002 - Heratheta@aol.com - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n157, and 159 >>>>>>>>>>> MESSAGE dream-flow.v001.n154.1 -------------- <<<<<<<<<<< I wonder if this is so much about HIM. Maybe it is more about you. Dream Title Unfaithful fiancee. By Lady4life Date of Dream september 10, 3 or 4am recently, I had a dream that took place at a nearby park that I used to play at as a child. The park looked much different it was cleaned up and looked nice again.>> What do you recall about yourself at that time in your young life? Are there things hanging on in you now, that need to be cleaned up? Do you need to revisit this time, and bring yourself up to date? or is it something you need to let go? << A group of friends of mine were chatting at the park including my fiancee.>> Do you recognize them as friends of yours now? What can you think of that would connect them to your time in the park? Is there some 'childish' undercurrent in all this? Any 'park' is rather temporary. << For some unknown reason I had to leave to go home and I told everyone that I would return in a short while.>> Was the 'home' you went to the home of your childhood, or your present home? << Upon my return, I noticed my fiancee was talking to an oriental girl, about my age, who oddly enough had the same first name as mine. >> do you know any Orientals? What does the term mean to you? Is it something unknown; foreign? I thought nothing of it because he is free to talk to whoever he pleases. >> This is a very adult attitude. It does not fit into the park theme, does it? <<... She then asked me if I thought he was really single, because he was too nice of a guy to be available. I was shocked when she asked me this because I knew we were engaged and obviously she didn't. I asked her if he had said he was single. She said "yes, and I think he was flirting with me." >> Suppose the "Oriental" is a part of yourself that you are not too much in touch with. Do you allow yourself to suspect that he, or even you, might not prefer to be single? << I said, "single, is that what you are? Is that what you want to be? Is that what you tell girls you are?" he didn't say anything, or even express any emotions.>> Actually, he IS single, isn't he? And so are you. You have made certain commitments, but they have not been consecrated nor consummated. Does it seem strange that you would become so furious, at the report of a stranger? After all, you did not know WHAT he did, and you gave him no chance to respond. If you had approached him in real life like that, how would he have behaved? Really, is flirting that bad? <> What would he have done at this point, in real life? (If you think about this, you may see that this Dream is not about him! It may be your projection.) << a friend of mine who is a couple of years younger than me. >> Do you suppose your own masculine side is underdeveloped? "young?" << I started packing Vance's things into boxes. >> This is very telling. HE did not show up and claim he wanted to leave! YOU are packing him up! << Vance and the oriental girl were at, and to my surprise talking and laughing and basically flirting. I told Vance that if he didn't get his things out of my house that !>> Who is it you want to get rid of? Is a part of yourself uncomfortable, and looking for any excuse to detach? Comments by Dreamer when I woke up I was still in a horrible state of mind, I didn't know if what I drempt was real or not. it felt so real that I couldn't tell dream from reality. I can't even express how real it felt.>> This is very important. When you think about it, would you (after the shock wears off) feel relieved to be alone, with the opportunity to start over? Perhaps by learning more about who YOU are, and what you really want? I can only comment according to my own experiences. Take what is worth keeping, and blow the rest away. Blessings. Joan Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments Please, if there is anyone who can make sence and or any interpretations, it would be appreciated greatly. This has my mind so messed up. Thank you. --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n160.2 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n157, and 159 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:10:03 EDT frogbark drm-peace had alin to the right of the middle of the farm if you had avoided becoming "tall" chain drm- peace had lain to the right of the fence if you had avoided becoming "just' #159 no title drm-peace had lain to the right of the warehouse if you had avoided "painting" helpless dream-peace had lain to the right of the house if you had avoided becoming "kept" --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n160 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n159 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - No Title 002 - Anonymous - Helpless --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n159.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: No Title Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:55:05 -0700 Date of Dream 8/31/99 Dream I dreamt that my brother (who passed away 5 years ago) was sitting in a wearhouse, on an artist's stool, with a canvas in front of him, painting himself sitting in a comfortable, reclyner type chair. Comments by Dreamer A friend of mine told me that it sounded like the dream was a way of saying that my brother was at peace. I'm not sure I believe that, although it sounds good. Any other insights? Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n159.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Helpless Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:25:18 -0700 Dream Title Helpless.-Lillith Lamia Date of Dream 9/10/99 Dream I had a dream that I was on vacation in Niagara Falls. I was at my mothers friends house,alone. There was a homeless man that kept coming to the door and I got angry and yelled at him to go away.Then he feel to the ground I thought he was dead.So, I was kicking him and yelling at him telling that he got what he deserved. Then he got up, and came after me. I ran and slamed the door in his face, I ran to the phone and called the police,but I couldn't get a dial tone.My fingers kept missing the keys on the phone and then when I got though I lost my voice. The man came into the room I was in.The only escape I had was though the window so I jumped out.Then I woke up. Comments by Dreamer I have had other dreams like this lately. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n159 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n158 -------------- 001 - >>>>>>>>>> Dream Title unknown? vgaustin Date of Dream 09/09/99 3-4am Dream My daughter and I were talking by a fuse box. It blew up, my daughter was standing next to it.I turned to look at the fuse box, to find a hole that looked like liquid metal. She grabbed her ears as she bent down in great pain. I pulled her up and pulled back her hair to check her ear and neck. There were no marks, but as I started to look more, she started to vomit up blood.I stood in amazement, thinking I needed to get her help, that I should call 911. As I turned to do so,I remembered thinking the phone was on the other side of the same wall, and wondered if it would work. Then I awoke. <<<<<<<<<<< Jay --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n152.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: comment on dream Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:23:48 -0700 This dream seems to deal with communication and news. The ears, the phone. The fuse box maybe something powerful. Maybe some powerful news or shocking news might come to your daughter that might hurt her in some way (because she was holding her ears it seems like bad news). Maybe a secret that you know or news that you might try to tell her or maybe you will be the one to try to help her the most when the news comes. I hope I helped. I'm usually pretty good at these things. Good luck and I hope everything works out.--Margaret --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n152 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n151 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - Husband's funneral by Estella 002 - Anonymous - vgaustin 003 - Anonymous - Awake or Asleep --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n151.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Husband's funneral by Estella Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:17:25 -0700 Dream Title Husband's funneral by Estella Date of Dream july and august 99 I have always had precognative (sp) dreams and I don't know what to think of this one. The dream was I was sitting in a church pew (sp) with my brother in law and my mother in law. My husband was in the casket. I could see him there but he was in spirit right next to me. not sitting on anything but in a sitting position. There were others there that have died. People form his family--seemed to be mostly the woman and they were gossiping. My husband in spirit form kept stairing at me not even paying attention to his own funneral. I felt uncomfortable under his gaze. I left and went to go home but I was afraid and my brother in law went with me and he went in the house with me because I was afraid there was something in there--but nothing was. I have othr dreams of him in spirit and I have seen his death and his leaving this world and passing over to the spirit world with the help of a freinds father and his brother that died long ago. These are all rea! ! curring dreams and they are very emotional and vivid for me. Comments by Dreamer Please share any comments you may have. I am unsure what to think about these dreams. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n151.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: vgaustin Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:12:58 -0700 Dream Title unknown? vgaustin Date of Dream 09/09/99 3-4am My daughter and I were talking by a fuse box. It blew up, my daughter was standing next to it.I turned to look at the fuse box, to find a hole that looked like liquid metal. She grabbed her ears as she bent down in great pain. I pulled her up and pulled back her hair to check her ear and neck. There were no marks, but as I started to look more, she started to vomit up blood.I stood in amazement, thinking I needed to get her help, that I should call 911. As I turned to do so,I remembered thinking the phone was on the other side of the same wall, and wondered if it would work. Then I awoke. Comments by Dreamer I could really use some help with this one!!! Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n151.3 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Awake or Asleep Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:10:36 -0700 Dream Title Awake or Asleep Date of Dream aprox Aug 9, 1999 Dreamed that I was dreaming, and trying to wake myself up. I was above myself, watching myself try to wake myself up. In color. Close up and nothing else was visible outside that area. Seemed as though I could hear my voice, but I don't remember any words. Comments by Dreamer Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments You may comment or publish. --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n151 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n150 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - Shaked by God 002 - Anonymous - Church Dream 003 - Anonymous - past turns to present --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n150.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Shaked by God Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:13:44 -0700 Shaked by God by CdB Drunken and stoned,my 18-year old adopted Moroccan son had had a serious accident with his motor-cycle,and there was fear he would never come out of his coma.On former occasions I had several times discussed with him the importance of dreaming,but it was not taken seriously.Happily he recovered. Several weeks after the accident he handed me the following dream (& drawing) he had had while lying in coma at the hospital.After it,he had awaken. Shaked by God On the 9th of July I had a very beautiful dream.I was sitting on a mountain and looking at the sun,realizing how splendid he shines,radiant yellow and blue.Then it is in my dream a couple of hours later and the sun has turned into orange. And then,at the end pink and lilly-like. And I saw the sign of God,His eye.And the sky was glimmering. According to me,it was a Nova-eye .It went away and came back,over and over again.And Godshaked me, up and down and gave me a sign. And I had spoken a word in this dream,and asked if I could marry Nadia and he shaked to me "yes". And that was for me a sign that I was heading for a good future and that I would -Incha Allah - marry Nadia and having two children. I realized in my dream that I would draw how beautiful this all was. And I remembered I had a sort of dream like this once before in my life. I told you about that Blanken.And God kicked my ass to go downstairs and said:"I will give you a second chance." (P.S. The dreamer had told me that at his birth there had been complications and there had been a great chance he had died.According to him,this had been his first chance,note CdB) --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n150.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Church Dream Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:28:00 -0700 Dream Title Church Dream Uriel Date of Dream 090.09.99 The Arabic diplome I have is invalid for French studies. I apologize to a harmful person, then I see a huge churchabove the clouds and another one made of concrete on the ground.I cannot make French studies, cause I was given twice to two different kindergartens. My Catholic grandmother prepared a table and a stick to be put into her coffin (for her resurrection). Comments by Dreamer I stopped an extramarital affair with an African person - and I also began to be interested in my Catholic ancestors (after being exclusively Jewish for a period). The dream is about my maturing process. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments yes share thanks --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n150.3 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: past turns to present Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:33:50 -0700 Dream Title past turns to present Date of Dream august 27th I was at a gathering that seemed to take place with my friends from several years ago before I moved. I was socializing and listening to the past friends' problems at this social gathering. Then I sat on the couch and the conversations continued, but my ex ( we dated for 2 years and have been seeing each other non-exclusively for the past year)came and sat down and placed his head upon my shoulder. I was content, but then he wanted to do more and i couldn't seem to tell him I didn't want to. Comments by Dreamer i still love him and he feels the same way about me, but we know it's not for now. Is it as straight forward as it seems? Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments you can do whatever with it, i was just wondering if you could tell me what you think is going on? --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n150 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n149 -------------- 002 - Anonymous - New Dream 003 - Anonymous - abandoned 004 - Anonymous - J 005 - Anonymous - The French School >>>>>>>>>>> -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n148 -------------- 001 - Heratheta@aol.com - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n147 Electric Dreams: Dream Flow A fountain of dreams in Cyberspace --------------- MESSAGE dream-flow.v001.n148.1 --------------- From: Heratheta@aol.com Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n147 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 23:13:53 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit killer drm-peace had lain to the right of the city if you had avoided becoming ridin around jennifer drm-peace had alin to the right of the middle vehicle if you had avoided becoming not driven mother drm-peace had lain to the right of the chair if you had avoided becoming pushed more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ with the hurricane dennis i have been noting how it and even water drains counterclockwise so it seems to me that in the northern hemisphere it is more difficult to keep right of our dreams as the norht pole is pulling our bodies the otherway. figuring necessity is the mother of invention there is certainly more necessity in the norht to find ways to avoid the above conflict so does the southern hemisphere have less problem taking the right approach. although i know not much from the down under i suspect so. right on!. --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n148 --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n149.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: New Dream Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:26:03 -0700 Dream Title Church dream Uriel Date of Dream 1999.09.06 My aunt goes to N.York from Hungary. I meet a Yugoslav woman, who wonders why my shoes are wet. I apologize from Attila G. (who did harm me onceon a legal level). Then the tram goes straight to its old end station where we see very big ruines and a huge new church, like a giant clockwork above the clouds...Astonishingly big.Awesome. Then later the "real" temple is shown, its concrete cubicles.My mother is sorry the water closet is not functioning, I go over to my aunts house but it is ruined by some Gipsies. I then discover that I am able to fly through the stones. It is a great feeling.I really feel like doing it... Comments by Dreamer My aunt did give me milk when I was an infant and my mother got hospitalized right after I was born. We rarely see each other she is abroad most of the time.I used to live at her place which is in the neighbourhood, right before my mothers death 15 ys ago (when I was 30).The tramways number and itinerary was in reality recently changed.I was reading an article before going to sleep about the Essenes concept of the Civitas Dei - it might have had some influence on this huge church images. And I do have nowadays regularly such big dreams, yesterday I was not allowed to a French school, where I had to describe the four ends of the word and i heard someone saying "how nice, a collective archetype" has shown itself...(Ind in a french school - where I did attend twenty ys ago but then fled back to Hungary - I was trying to enter with an Arabic inscribed diplome, which I have stolen, then thrown away - and I must add that one of my former Romantic Other (a b! ! ad influence simply, an alterego friend) was a francophone Arab person...And the day before I was informed in a dream, that "a Shaman has appeared", hopefully "he will not kill me". Now this Attila guy whom I begged pardon was attacking me 15 ys ago as a latent antisemite (me being Jewish, but he lost in court in reality back then. But on my part I relaized I really was misundarstod because I fantasized him to be a friend (when I wrote about his shamanistic rock performance in my paper).On the other hand, Shaman was the name also of one of my teenager cartoon figures (that I published in the school newsletter), that I forgot since, until this dream. To summarize:I see ruins (with destructively seductive Gipsies referring to Arabs)- my past life centered on anorexic demand of pleasure , and a new Church is built (my "new life" being more serene and sober in which "I can fly thru stones" meaning I can stay calm even in trouble), but it has a concrete level too (more simple than the fantasy "above the clouds".) Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments I am a newcomer but I have no bad feelings on getting comments or being published. --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n149.3 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: abandoned Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 17:17:34 -0700 Dream Title abandoned Date of Dream 9/7/99 I am always finding myself abandoned by my husband. He always is leaving me for someone else. Or he is always having an affair. It is always dark and usually overcast or rainy. I always find myself catching him in the act and always feel like i'm struggling. I am usually crying and feel beatten. Comments by Dreamer I always wake up mad or depressed and i always talk to him about what i dream. I wake up and always feel sick the next day like i have actually experienced the dream in real life. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments i do not want my email address posted --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n149.4 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: J Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:27:55 -0700 Dream Title J Date of Dream 4th sept/- Hello everyone, i had a dream recently and was wondering what it could mean... i can't remember the whole thing only in fragments. I had a dream about standing on the platform in a train station like any train station in any suburbs. It was cold and rainy i was there try to fish out enough coins to buy some snack in the vending machine...somehow i live in a slump with all the other girls and children. One part i remember is talking to Albert Einstein!!! Not as a brilliant scientist. He was there, just like the rest of us. He's a Pisces and we were talking about something that i can't remember...but i remember him talking something about life he was very compassionate man and have a deep understanding of life. He was full of wisdom...or something like that. at one point i was trying to pull something using a string. i tried to pull the string but it cut my hands and it hurt. i open my hand and there was some blood because of the cut. And then i realise he must have used the same kind of string! ! to pull something up and he didn't look like he was hurt at all. I turned my head and look at the string hanging there, it was coated with blood and was dripping.... i lay on a bed (white sheet) something press behind my back when i roll over on my back i was on all those needles(only wider and longer...) some of them already makes me bleed but i was 'told' (by myself like i know a unspoken requirement) that in order to finish that every needles have to broke my skin so that blood can be seen...i can feel the pain it hurt like hell and i have to consciously making a effort for the needle to penetrate my skin....at the time its like bleed the already wounded skin A knife is cutting my face, cutting off the upper most layer so that i look younger??? that the skin can fully regenerate???? The knife blade cut it off piece by piece like cutting...a moon cake! there was no blood, it was rather like.... like cutting soap(mild not hard) again all i can remember was the searing pain and i tell myself soon it will be over. it was a weird dream, somehow its seems important to me to know...it was trying to tell me something about myself and my current circumstances. It may well be the key to the heart of my problems... Something's disturbing me recently. i found myself sweating when i woke up and that i can't quiet see into my dream like i used to they were chaotic and hard to grasp.... if anyone have anything helpful about my dream please drop me a line. thanx J Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n149.5 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: The French School Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:40:57 -0700 The French School - by Uriel I dreamt about a French school where I did not qualify with my stolen Arabic diplome (which i threw away). Later a dreamt about a Shaman having appeared on a certain date, and I hoped I will be not killed. Then again I was not allowed to the French school (next night), but I had to translate the sentence: "les quatres coins du monde" "the four endings of the world" and I heard a saying about "how nice, the Collective Unconscious has appeared"...After that my Aunt went away to New York) and I met a Yugoslav woman (here it is the next country) wondering why my shoes are wet. Then I apologize to a guy called Attila (who does "shamanistic" rock music and attacked me legally in reality 15 ys ago), and with a new tram line I arrive to a newly built huge church above the clouds (which has an indream "real" counterpart built of concrete), and - after not finding the WC in my Aunts house ruined by Gipsies - I discover that i am able to fly through stones...Astonishedly i feel my way flying through stone. (In reality i had a Romantic other - a bad influence so to speak, an alterego - whom i left a few ys ago, who was a Frencophone Arab person, and I think the dream refers to my new life - new church - in which I feel more serene, like flying.)I am a newcomer, sorry if I was not supposed to comment.)Thanks for listening. My pen name is AUriel Uriel again (now I dont see what i am writing anz more, so I stop) --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n149 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n148 -------------- 001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n147 --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n148.1 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n147 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 23:13:53 EDT killer drm-peace had lain to the right of the city if you had avoided becoming ridin around jennifer drm-peace had alin to the right of the middle vehicle if you had avoided becoming not driven mother drm-peace had lain to the right of the chair if you had avoided becoming pushed more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ with the hurricane dennis i have been noting how it and even water drains counterclockwise so it seems to me that in the northern hemisphere it is more difficult to keep right of our dreams as the norht pole is pulling our bodies the otherway. figuring necessity is the mother of invention there is certainly more necessity in the norht to find ways to avoid the above conflict so does the southern hemisphere have less problem taking the right approach. although i know not much from the down under i suspect so. right on!. --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n148 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n147 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - The killer. the poet 002 - Anonymous - Jennifers Dream 003 - Anonymous - Mom didn't really die. --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n147.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: The killer. the poet Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:33:24 -0700 Dream Title The killer. the poet Date of Dream 8/31/99 I was on a el-train riding around the a city at night. I was reading a newspaper, when I looked up there was this person with a gray cloth sack on his face and a butcher knife in his right hand. He was comming right at me. I started to run through each car trying to get away. but every time I would look back. He was still there. When the train stopped I jumped out and he followed me. I tripped over a bottle. He was on top of me I begged him not to kill me. That I was only twenty-two and I haven't lived a full life. Then he finally spoke to me and said" he would let me live for now but later on in my life he would be back to take my life. Comments by Dreamer When I woke up I felt very calm and content. What doe's it mean. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n147.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Jennifers Dream Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:42:11 -0700 Dream Title Jennifers Dream Date of Dream couple weeks ago,99 I have dreamed that I was enroute to work in a caravan of vans and I was in the middle vehicle and was not driving we stopped at a store to get some things at my request and the store we stopped at was in the middle of nowhere and there were loins everywhere and there was feeding going on in the background and we got out anyway and other people also did and we went in to the store and I felt real weird about going in but did thenafter I went thru the store wich was laid out like a maze I left out the exit and a one way exit at that then the guy driving said he parked at the end of the building and 1/2 of the now truck was in the building and I had to get thru a small space to get in the truck past sharp edgeof metal trailor siding the he pulled out so I could get in and all of a sudden a huge angry Gorrilla leaped out of the bush and full tackled a lion near me and they were very loud with spit and claws and dust rolling with them so I wanted to hurry ! ! while they were disstractedfighting and the now convertable was having a hard time getting the top up and the guy driving was in no hurry I forgot something mentioned it then he offered to stop again but I asked if he was crazzy and said no then we kept on driving END Comments by Dreamer please feel free to input I have no clue but see it all the time now awake like flashes and need advice feel free to Email me @ jendigo@bellsouth.net thank you for no pranks Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n147.3 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Mom didn't really die. Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:17:58 -0700 Dream Title Mom didn't really die. Date of Dream September 4, 1999 about 4:14 a.m. In my dream I am pushing my mother in a wheelchair. (She died August 18, 1999. She was never in a wheelchair.)I ask her if she is sure she will recover or if she is recovering. (I can't remember exactly.) She answers something (I can't remember exactly the words.) The meaning was everything is fine and will be fine. I feel very happy that my mother will be ok. I'm pushing her along in this wheelchair and all I can see is the back of her head and she is wearing her blue front button shirt. She is holding her purse on her lap. I think we are outside on a sidewalk. It is sunny and there are trees and plants. This dream is in color and it felt like it was really happening. Somewhere in my mind I remember asking God if this was for real. I wake up when my son is tapping me on the arm wanting to crawl into bed with me. Comments by Dreamer If anyone can tell me what this means you are welcome to write to me. I can already figure it's my subconscience wish for her to still live and my questioning God must be my realization she is dead. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments Permission Comments You can write me at sionsgroupe@wans.net. My name is stephanie. --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n147 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n146 -------------- 001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n145 --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n146.1 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n145 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:43:24 EDT drowning drm-peace had lain to the right of the living room if you had avoided becoming large up north drm-peace had lain to the right of the north ( to the east) if you had avoided becoming "had go" future drm-peace had lain to the right of the man if you had avoided becoming "known" let me thank the dreamer of "up north' for telling us the location of the dream for obvious reasons. right on!,dreamer. more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n146 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n145 -------------- 001 - Anonymous - Child Drowning 002 - Anonymous - Up North by Mookra 003 - Anonymous - Future Prediction --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n145.1 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Child Drowning Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:56:40 -0700 Dream Title Child Drowning Date of Dream 8/27 between 10:00pm and 6:00 am There was a party going on in my living room. Many people were there. There was a large, dark, deep pool in the center of my living room (this means my living room was much larger in my dream than it is in reality). A woman that we know was playing with her boyfriend's little girl in the water. The little girl could not swim and was sitting on a raft. The woman was throwing the little girl into the air and letting her fall into the water. She would then dive in after her. Every time she did this, I thought she was taking unbelievable risks. On a few occasions, she would have to dive down twice before recovering the little girl. Finally, the inevitable happened: she couldn't find the little girl. She frantically searched and then told her dad (who is also a family friend) to find the little girl. The woman's father, her brother, and my boyfriend were already in the pool. They began the search. The father of the baby was explaining the woman ! ! very calmly that if anything happened to his little girl he wasn't sure he could continue the relationship. I kept looking underwater to see if I could see anything. It was very dark, so I went to my closet to find my underwater flashlight (which I have in reality). Despite my efforts I couldn't find them. I kept looking at the clock trying to keep track of how long the little girl had been underwater. I lost track of all the people in the water. Suddenly the television was showing black and white footage of the three men pulling the little girl out of the water. She had been under for an hour. I kept praying to God to let the little girl be okay. I remember telling him that he could to anything to me that he wanted to as long as the little girl was okay. I then woke up. Comments by Dreamer I felt very sick to my stomach when I awoke. I felt like my stomach was tied in knots. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n145.2 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Up North by Mookra Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:31:52 -0700 Dream Title Up North by Mookra Date of Dream Morning, August 27th I had a dream that I was up north visiting some relitives. I had go up with my mom, my brother, and my husband. The people in my dream that were supposed to be my relitives I didn't recognise. There were two children, boy and girl, around age 10. They lived with there grandma. There mother had drowned in a lake near there house, years before. I think she was trying to save a child at the time. Everyone was sitting around the kitchen table eating breakfast. The children had left the table and then so did my brother. He went to get his shoes and discovered that the puppy that was running around had crapped in one of his shoes. He starts yelling at the puppy and the puppy runs off into the forest, that was there back yard. I go out and call for the dog as my brother goes and looks for him. He feels sorry that the dog ran away. The dog comes to me soon. I am standing on the back porch. Ever since i went outside to call for the dog I have bec! ! ome tired. By the time the dog comes to me, I am so tired I can't stand on my deet or keep my eyes open. I lay on the porch. My brother, the kids and the puppy all are conserned. I try to mumble to them that I am fine. My brother gets me to my feet, takes me inside and sits me at the kitchen table. Even though I have already eaten two full plates of food for breakfast my moth insists that I eat another. She also insists that I drink this little 3 inch tall bottle of pinapple orange juice. She says that if I don't I will never get better. Comments by Dreamer I have no idea what it is refering to in my life. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n145.3 --------------- From: Anonymous Subject: Future Prediction Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:04:37 -0700 Dream Title Future Prediction Date of Dream 24 Aug 99/3 something in wee hours This dream occurs many times. In the dream, I know that it was foretelling my future. I was with a man whom I was aware that he would be my future 2nd husband but in reality I don't know this man at all. The funny thing is that "the man" is different each time although the dream is the same concept. I was once told by a fortune teller that my 1st husband wl die young & I wl hv a 2nd husband who's much loving than the 1st. Presently, I have no other boyfriends besides being faithful to my husband. Please HELP!! This same concept dream comes once in awhile.. & I didn't even think of anything. Comments by Dreamer There is much tender love in the dream & I seem to be loved & happy. Permission to Comment yes_share_comments --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n145 --------------- -------------- BEGIN dream-flow.v001.n144 -------------- 001 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n140 002 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n143 003 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n142 004 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n139 005 - Heratheta - Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n141 --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n144.1 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n140 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:58:44 EDT candle drm-peace had lain to the right of the neighbor's if you had avoided becoming "wasn't home" more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n144.2 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n143 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:01:13 EDT clown drm-peace had lain to the right of the basement if you had avoided becoming "like a banker" more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n144.3 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n142 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:07:46 EDT monster freeze drm-peace had lain to the right of the entity next to your face if you had avoided becoming "as if" more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n144.4 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n139 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:23:19 EDT stuck drm-peace had lain to the right of the suv if you had avoided being "borrowed" axe drm-peace had lain to the right of the mercedes if you had avoided becoming "diamond" more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- DREAM dream-flow.v001.n144.5 --------------- From: Heratheta Subject: Re: Digest dream-flow.v001.n141 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:26:22 EDT empty future dream-peace had lain to the right of the event if you had avoided becoming "just" more at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ --------------- END dream-flow.v001.n144 --------------- Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z ELECTRIC DREAMS ACCESS INFORMATION Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z Subscriptions: The Electric Dreams E-zine (issn 1089 4284)is *free* and distributed via email about once a month. 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