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INTRODUCTION

EDITORIAL

DREAMS SECTION INDEX BY BOB K.

 

Main Electric Dreams contents page


Introduction...

Hi there! Welcome to ELECTRIC DREAMS - DREAMS SECTION for Vol. 5 Number 4 - April 1998.

Hi there dreamers!  This month brings us a slimmer group of dreams and commentary than usual. Stan K. shares a sad ending to a relationship, and a couple dreamers inquire about death in dreams - the ultimate symbol for endings. DreamBat flies and flutters in the innerspace of dreams. Maria, Island, Richard, Heratheta and DrD share their dream insights and encouragement. Fears (faceless figures and childhood traps), problems and dilemmas rise to the top this month. A request for shared dreams from the Virgin Islands to help guide a difficult decision is shared, and feedback arrives from Sweden and South Africa.

Enjoy your visit to the pages of Electric Dreams.


NEW CATEGORIES:

BOOKS (Extensions of our memory and imagination, our permanent   records)


EDITORIAL:

                      CHANGES

As I walked in my home on a Friday evening a couple weeks ago, I was surprised to see my daughter at home.  She is currently living on Campus at a College nearby. "I'm OK Dad. Nothing happened to me...I think!" "What happened?" I asked. "Well, I was in an auto accident, and they had to tow my car away," she replied.  It turns out her car was caught in a sandwich between a sports utility vehicle and a Cadillac, and ended up smashed beyond repair late that afternoon. Fortunately, her older Buick was a car with some body strength to it, and she did not sustain any apparent injury. 

All it took was one second of time, and that vehicle was history.  It died that afternoon. Most changes in our lives are long in coming and natural outgrowths of a process of development. However, we are still subject to sudden intrusions of fate and forces beyond our comprehension from time to time. Fortunately, in this case it was just a vehicle that was lost - which can be replaced, unlike a life. Yet even when lives are lost, we need to readjust our own lives and redirect our efforts in our own paths through life.  In many dreams, the apparent death is of a vehicle or part of us which is going or gone, most often with sadness but sometimes with an underlying sense of joy or freedom.  With every ending, a door opens for a new beginning.  New directions and new frontiers open before us which we may never have approached if things had not changed. Change is painful, but we need to make the most of it and continue our journey.   Dreams help make us aware of the problems along the way, and often can guide us along the journeys difficult moments.

THANKS

As usual thanks to all the dreamers and dream commentators for sharing a little bit of their internal reality with a larger community.


INDEX - CONTENTS.

FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS

== Commentary from Barbro in Sweden (980402) ==
== Commentary from Judy in South Africa (980406) ==
== Subject: Dream Healing Request (980415) ==


COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES

** Dream: Slumming by Dreambat (980316) **
== Commentary by Heratheta on Dreambat's Dreams (980321) ==


NEW DREAMS:

PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS [Stories from past experiences, or send them in before it happens, if you can]

REPETITIVE DREAMS [Significant by nature]

Dream: Coed Bathroom - reoccurring by BU (980322)**
Commentary by Richard on Coed Bathroom Dream (980321) ==
Dream: dying by ? (980407) **
Dream: Faceless Figure & Locked Closet (980406) **


DREAM TRACES IN WAKING LIFE [The effects of external stimuli on our dreams or is it the other way around - our dreams leaving a trace on our physical reality?]


DEFYING CLASSIFICATION [Your stumpers may not be so mysterious to others]



                LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE

BIRTH [Starts]

CHILDHOOD [Early development]

ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing]

ADULTHOOD [The main event for most]

OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end]

DEATH [Endings]

** Dream: The Mausoleum March ? (980409) **

COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial limits]



AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others paths]

**Dream:"Almost Killed by Sister's Friend" by Saved-one(980324)**

ALIENS [Visitors or visited - creatures from other dimensions]

AMUSEMENT PARK [A place to relax and enjoy, another reality]

** Dream: Digital Dreaming by T (980419) **
(See Dr.D's comments under RELIGIOUS RELATED)

ANGELS [Visitors from Spiritual dimensions]

ANIMALS [Basic Instincts]

BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination]

BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we were]

BOOKS (Extensions of our memory and imagination, our permanent   records)
[As a book lover and collector, how has this subject not come up before? Check out the Dream Bookstore book under PROBLEMS]

BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from here to there]

CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous]

CLOTHING [What we wear tells us about ourselves and the events we participate in]

COMEDY [With an accent on puns, funny situations or jokes]

COMMUNICATIONS [From telepathic to devices to signs & symbols]

COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools, communication]

CULTS [Somewhere out there ...]

DIRECTIONS [Ever stop and ask for directions?  North, South, East, West, up, down, ahead, behind, straight, turn, right, left, make a circle, cross, go through, open, close, mix, add, boil, cook, simmer, but most of all - follow these instructions carefully...and don't be shy about asking someone else down the path, except, of course, for the Big Bad Wolf!!!]

== Commentary by Heratheta on various (980322) ==   (party drm, dante drm, mother drm, toilet drm)
== Commentary by Heratheta on water sking drm (980328) ==
== Commentary by Heratheta on bkstr drm & chlkbrd drm (980403) ==
== Commentary by Heratheta on dying drm (980409) ==
== Commentary by Heratheta on mausoleum drm (980412) ==
== Commentary by Heratheta on virgin islands (980423)==

DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments]

DREAMING [Dreams about dreaming]
(See PROBLEMS for a dream on a Dream Book)

DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?]

EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth and pleasure]

ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button or else...]

ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!]

**Dream: "Interstate Escape" by ? (980326) **

EYES [The organs of sight...the window to the soul...]

FEAR [What scares us]

** Dream: "Ghosts" by ? (980325) **
** Dream: childhood dream by ? (980404) **
== Commentary by Heratheta on faceless (980405) ==

FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment]

FIRE [Flames bring light, heat and destruction/transformation]

FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective]

** Dream: Dream web - by dreambat (980411) **

GIFTS [Offerings to or from others]

HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING THINGS

HOLIDAYS [Time off to ...]

HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair]

HOUSE [Where our lives take place]

HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event location]

JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -explorations]

** Dream: 'The Dream' by V (980401) **
== Commentary by Maria on A Dream by V(980403)==
== Commentary by Island on 'The Dream' by V (980403)==

LOST [Disorientation or abandonment]

LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors the             
                dreamer]

LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep]

LUCID DREAMING [Knowing you are Dreaming when you are Dreaming]

MEMORY [Remembering ...In dreams we often struggle with the issue of memories and remembering a dream which by definition involves the process of recollection.]

MIRRORS [Reflection of Self]

MUSIC [Melodies of the land within]

NUDITY [What you see is what you get]

PERFORMERS [Entertainers]

PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes present choices]

** Dream: "Dream Bookstore" by Dreambat (980401) **
== Commentary by Maria on Dream Bookstore by DreamBat (980403) ==

POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of power]

RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves including family which constitutes the first and earliest of our relationships, often influencing how we relate to the outside world]

** Dream:  farewell, annie by Stan K (980419) **

RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual]

== Commentary by DrD on "Digital Dreaming- T" (980424) ==

ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another]
              

SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learning related trials]

SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries]

STAIRS [Bridges between levels, between the upper and the lower]

TEETH [Ok, losing teeth is one of the top ten dreams people have questions on. Theories on what they mean range all over the spectrum of possibilities.]

TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of nature]

TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are paralyzed or imprisoned by jobs, relationships or expectations]

VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of lifestyle]

WATER [A magical earthly fluid, nourishment, cleansing]

WORKPLACE [Where we make a living]

WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity]

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DREAM SERIES

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FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS

== Commentary from Barbro in Sweden (980402) ==

Hello, Bob

Thank you for publishing the dreams....and also for the enormous work you and your fellow men spend in time, to our global communication through the world.

My email address gaiety@algonet.se ... is not going to change.

So,  please delete the other address gaiety@mail.bip.net. for it's not valid.

With best regards from Barbro N. in Sweden

[Thank you Barbro for sharing your dreams - BK]

== Commentary from Judy in South Africa (980406) ==

From: JB
To: bobkrum@erols.com
Subject: reading about dreams

Hi,

You wrote:
>I wonder sometimes how many people really read the dreams section of our issues<, I've wondered this a few times myself. I do read it - usually when I'm waiting for something to download or staying connected because I'm expecting a message from a friend late at night..... but generally I don't find other people's dreams very interesting.

I find my own dreams very interesting and the dreams of people I'm close to (like my son) because I'm involved in their lives and can appreciate the personalised symbolism. Somehow the dreams of a stranger are like hearing snippets about their lives. Unless related to something which I am experiencing or interested in at the time, it doesn't mean much.

In fact I think collecting dreams together for publishing is somewhat like collecting 'life experiences' together for publishing. Far too broad a subject. The categorisation helps a bit but navigating to interesting bits is not too easy.

I'm not sure if there is a point to this missive. I just felt like sharing my thoughts. Anyway, keep up the hard work because I do find odd things of interest buried in the haystack now and then. Thanks.

Judy B
Johannesburg.

[Thanks for the feedback Judy.  You may find the new alternative of an HTML version more "navigable" than the email version.  -BK]

Subject: fwd: Dream Healing this Weekend
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:11:50 EDT

Subj:dream request for this weekend
Date:4/15/98 3:44:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From:alex@islands.vi
Sender:root@intuition.org
Reply-to:dreams@intuition.org
  To:DREAMS@intuition.org   (Multiple recipients of list DREAMS)

Cameron Hall is seeking help from dreamers to deal with her cancer.  We are seeking healing dreams for her over the weekend of April 18-19 for report on April 20th.

Camie is 47 years old and a mother of three young children.  She has an incurable form of cancer called Mantle Cell Lymphoma, it is lymph system cancer. She had a lump on her leg and later found other lumps.  The doctors did a series of tests to confirm the type of cancer and concluded it is this form of cancer. We are not struggling to get a diagnosis. We have second and third opinions. 

She is trying to decide what course of action to follow. Her choices are to enter an experiment with a new drug, take the old fashioned treatment that is not very effective or do nothing.

Doing nothing means she is dead within about 2 years.  Doing one of the protocols involved six months of hell and possibly getting a year or two added to life. No one survives more than 5 years with this cancer.

She can elect to take one of a number of experimental protocols that might make the tumors shrink, disappear or go away forever. No one knows that one is specifically better than any of the others. All of them involve unpleasant periods of taking painful therapy. One requires months of chemo therapy with loss of hair, appetite and major body pains followed by full body irradiation, and a bone marrow transplant or stem cell transplants.   Another option is to take a milder Chemo therapy with a newly discovered monoclonal antibody - Rituxan.

At the same time she is looking for a new vision of her life that will help animate her will to live.  She is an accomplished horse woman, competing in horse events and winning. (state champ as a teen) She is a master of economics and finance, and owned of a real estate "empire" that collapsed just prior to her cancer. She needs a new view of life. She needs to decide which therapy to pursue or not.

Home is a small island off the south coast of St. Thomas in the US Virgin Islands, paradise, but the hospitals are not ready for her issues and can not help, so she is also contemplating moving to a location close to a hospital that can treat her.  Options include Houston, Miami area, and Boston.

You will all face death. It is not necessarily far away. This could be you. So let her anguish give you a chance to explore death and how you will confront the inevitable.

I am asking the dream group to focus some time and attention on the image of this woman - Take your choice - focus on the decision about what path to take in therapy and/or dream a dream that will help her find a new vision of her life.

I have attached a form you can use to report your dream and I will send it to the list as a separate post as well, with the Subject - Dream for Cameron Hall 


Dreams for Cameron Hall - Cancer Therapy or New Vision

Name of Dreamer:
Date of Dream:
Text of dream:
Most outstanding Element :
Main Action Verb:
Mood of the Dream:
Primary Irony:
Any element that does not fit the whole:
Any pun, metaphor or allegory that springs to mind:
The "Aha!" element for you:

COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES

** Dream: Slumming by Dreambat (980316) **

   I'm going home. I go through a part of town near the hill. Its a little hidden away suburban area. I stop in and chat with a black family there. The guy has plans for his family and life and is doing very well. I think his wife is very attractive and they seem matched for one another. I leave and drive through some horrid slums. There is one particular tunnel I have to get through where there is a blind spot and I can't control and see that part of the road. I might get robbed there. I'm tense as I drive through, but nothing happens, I come out on the main road.

  Notes by dreambat:  I take this dream to mean I am trying to draw into my life transition some parts that don't normally get the attention they deserve. (the black family with plans). None-the-less, I fear the parts that are just too repressed (slums) to bring them along, to get past them. And yet to just leave them behind doesn't work for me either. This is a dark part of my path, (or right off my path) and at places I have no control over it.

== Commentary by Heratheta on Dreambat's Dreams (980321) ==

Subject: dreambat's river and slummin drm

river dream "kind of" and slummin drm "seem" could have been avoided in the peace of certainty to the right of left of the river area and then to the right or left of family in the slummin dream. the big mo,momentum, and its effect on us or flies is equally important to comprehend in order to realize turning around is not just turning ourselves but a turgid affair. guilt and blame depression for not being where we believe we should be is not seeing the connections we have. in practicing movement in martial arts a technique to develope more sensitivity to  to see connections is to move slow enough to feel the air around us washing over each movement ot the body.   the dream is a heightened sense of the connections' momentum while soul is trying to move 90 degrees from those connections.  the resultant compromise is nevertheless important too. some of us carry more connections sometimes than others but to me the experience often feels humbling as a fly's looks.

NEW DREAMS:

PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS [Stories from past experiences, or send them in before it happens, if you can]

REPETITIVE DREAMS [Significant by nature]

** Dream: Coed Bathroom - reoccurring by BU (980322)**

What does it mean when I have reoccurring dreams (for a couple of years) about a coed bathroom in a public place (usually a mall) and I am always on the commode and there are always a lot of people around (men and women)?  (Funny, huh?) 

== Commentary by Richard on Coed Bathroom Dream (980321) ==

  I can't say what your dream means to you, but if this were my dream...

  In my dream I feel like I'm close to exposing my personal psychological issues in public. The public will see my shit, so to speak.  Just who this particular public is I don't know. It could be a literal public, like an office or family situation, but this seems to be in a mall, which is a very complex public place. Generally its a place where a lot of exhanges takes place. Looks, money, drugs, girlfriends, boyfriends, grease, food, surveys, hey, even Santa now lives at the mall. I think my mall is a metaphor for contemporary public space in general. For me, its a place where they almost have everything I would want, but upon actual purchase, its never very satisfying and low quality. This is changing and many malls now sport high end items and higher quality materials. It is really a hard place for any of us to work our shit out.

The co-ed thing is odd. For me I take this to mean I am bringing together opposites in my soul or dream. Generally I wouldn't think a mall is a good place to bring these opposites together. But the reoccuring nature seems to indicate that this is were it is just asking to happen.

- Richard

** Dream: dying by ? (980407) **

Dream Title               dying
Date of Dream            3-30-98

     For the last week I have had the same dream about dying. I seems that I have a certain number of things that have to be just right and then I am in line to die.  I keep getting close and then I wake up. Last night I completed all of the steps and was prepared to die and just could not and wait for the end.  I felt like i was awake trough all of the dream and felt very life like.

** Dream: Faceless Figure & Locked Closet (980406) **

hi, i am writing this to you, to see if you may be able to help me in finding out why I am constantly having the same childhood dream night after night. Does a figure with no face symbolize anything?

In this dream i am locked in a closet to my bedroom and I am only 7 years old.These dreams have made me force myself out of them and leave me not wanting to lie down to go to sleep. Please write back if you know how to help me.....

 
DREAM TRACES IN WAKING LIFE [The effects of external stimuli on our dreams or is it the other way around - our dreams leaving a trace on our physical reality?]

DEFYING CLASSIFICATION [Your stumpers may not be so mysterious to others]


                LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE

BIRTH [Starts]

CHILDHOOD [Early development]

ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing]

ADULTHOOD [The main event for most]

OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end]

DEATH [Endings]

** Dream: The Masoleum March ? (980409) **

Dream Title               The Masoleum March
Date of Dream            3-7-98  
Dream              

     This is a dream I had a few weeks ago maybe someone can help me with this.

In my dream, I lived with my adoptive grandparents.  (I didn't know this in my dream, but this is the conclusion that I came to after I woke up.)  My Grandfather had died and it was his funeral.  we (the family) walked into this huge mosoleum, complete with red carpet and white marble walls.  I followed the procession into a room deep within the mosoleum and walked into the crypt where my grandfather would be laid to rest finally.  But the odd thing about this crypt is that it was set up as if it were his room back at home.  there were dressers, with pictures and on the bed lay my grandfather covered by an old patchwork quilt.  My grandmother was all set to start turning the crank that would let the coffin top down on top of my grandfather body when he started to  twich and got up and called my name. He then took me to the side and spoke something to me.  I can't totally remember what the exact words were, but I know the purpose was to keep my grandmother on this earth so she could keep adopting children.  (something about cheating the devil so he couldn't get her soul.)

I then walked out and went into an auditorium that was connected to the masoleum.   in the auditorium were tons of children marching in little groups, as if there was some sort of pagent and all the groups were parading for the audience.  I noticed that the children when they marched out they always turned left, bowed to the north and then proceeded to bow to the east.  I then left and went into the Mosoleum kitchen   where I saw a scroll that had pictures instead of words(almost as if they were hieroglyphics)   on the scroll at the top there was a dead spider, which I took to be my grandfather.  There were a few other lines and shapes and then at the bottom I noticed that there was another spider that was dead also, it was then I realized that my grandmother had died also.  apparently when I left here alone to lower the top of the coffin on my grandfather, she had died of a broken heart.

This is all I remember of this particular dream.  but the concept of death and namely cemeteries pervade my dreams.  could someone out there give me some clue?

COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial limits]


AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others paths]

**Dream:"Almost Killed by Sister's Friend" by Saved-one(980324)**

I had a dream that my sisters friend was trying to kill me , but I was saved by this boy whom I was in a relationship with.

ALIENS [Visitors or visited - creatures from other dimensions]

AMUSEMENT PARK [A place to relax and enjoy, another reality]

** Dream: Digital Dreaming by T (980419) **

I had a dream once, that I was in the movie Tron, riding one of the motor cycles, and   I was the blue guy, racing all over the place, inside a computer just having a blast, then I was flying in one of the ships, firing at one of those big things with the two legs that were bad, and blowing them up to nothing. I have had several dreams, but this was the best and most fun. It has been with me for years. Thanks T.

(See Dr.D's comments under RELIGIOUS RELATED)

ANGELS [Visitors from Spiritual dimensions]

ANIMALS [Basic Instincts]

BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination]

BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we were]

BOOKS (Extensions of our memory and imagination, our permanent records)  [As a book lover and collector, how has this subject not come up before? Check out the Dream Bookstore book under PROBLEMS]

BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from here to there]

CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous]

CLOTHING [What we wear tells us about ourselves and the events we participate in]

COMEDY [With an accent on puns, funny situations or jokes]

COMMUNICATIONS [From telepathic to devices to signs & symbols]

COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools, communication]

CULTS [Somewhere out there ...]

DIRECTIONS [Ever stop and ask for directions?  North, South, East, West, up, down, ahead, behind, straight, turn, right, left, make a circle, cross, go through, open, close, mix, add, boil, cook, simmer, but most of all - follow these instructions carefully...and don't be shy about asking someone else down the path, except, of course, for the Big Bad Wolf!!!]

== Commentary by Heratheta on various (980322) == (party drm, dante drm, mother drm, toilet drm)

i like the east northeast and west northwest today for peace

party drm-'are you sure"
dante drm-'Very'
mother drm-'doesn't see or hear'
toilet drm-'lot'

all above could have found peace to the right or left of of the dream locations experienced in the above as they would have avoided the enquoted behaviors in themselves, their thoughts and those  of others. also it is not always easy to take the right or left soul path always but before you go to sleep some of you may try sleeping with your head directed toward the soul path, that is to the right or left of the night before's dream location

== Commentary by Heratheta on saved drm & plane drm (980326) ==

saved drm-'was in a relationship with'
plane drm-"could have"
seeking peace to the right or left of these dreams, the boy, and the back of the house, would have afforded better environs for purging the enquoted conditions above from the dreamers' thoughts and deeds,and furthermore going to sleep with the head pointing toward the right or left of the boy, and the back of the house,respectively, would have been a fitting end to a productive  day keeping the path of peace. 

== Commentary by Heratheta on water sking drm (980328) ==

people often say drms of falling are most common but drms of "suddenly" are most commonly related here on the ed-core next are the dreams of "seems" or "like" anyway; water sking drm-where is this water place from where you sleepdream this dream? is it north of where you sleep, south ,east ,west? try to spend time away from that direction and while you're away try not to be 'sudden' in your thoughts or deeds and be wary of  'suddenness' in others for that day which follows a dream of 'suddenness' and you can read about others in history who did not at www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ today for instance i will try to spend time in the east or west from where i slept and i know i will find more peace there away from my dream.  

== Commentary by Heratheta on bkstr drm & chlkbrd drm (980403) ==

bookstore dreamer- what's to the right or left of the bookstore from where you dreamt this dream? can you have sought  peace from the conflict of "making yourself and others uncomfortable"in that direction?

chalkboard dream-what's to the right or left of the room where you had to write on the chalkboard from where you dreamt it and could you have sought peace from the conflict "so" in yourself and others in that direction? and, did either one of you try sleeping with your heads directed in the directions mentioned above the night or sleeptime following these dreams? furthermore did either one of you have a thought which would have supported
such peace path action as described above or deja vu of the dreams as a result of the same peace path action ? these are rhetorical questions to be sure.

== Commentary by Heratheta on dying drm (980409) ==

of course it's "just" that was  going to kill you so staying away from that in yourself and others would have been enough to get you to your next dream and the next dream should be a little diffferent in intensity. where these dreams occur geographically tells you also where not to be  gotten "just" enough of by the death dreams represent. 

== Commentary by Heratheta on mausoleum drm (980412) ==

having avoided "odd" in yourself, your thoughts, and others to the right or left of the mausoleum from where you dreamed this dream helped world peace and made a peaceful easter for all of us  thanks also for the kind words about www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/      from www.lightworks.com   which has added our www as a link peace rides on

== Commentary by Heratheta on virgin islands (980423)==

we are all helping as we dream, for dreaming is a purging of sickness. it is following the dream and or letting it reenter the body which infects all who'd dreamed or will dream.  keeping the theta brainwave state is what many use to escape the conflict of illness and the only way i know to find peace. it is especially difficult in a world culture which fosters the very inculcation of the dream and all its subsequent misery. but dreaming is a healing, remember, it is when we stop dreaming that we are pained.    

DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments]

DREAMING [Dreams about dreaming]

(See PROBLEMS for a dream on a Dream Book)

DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?]

EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth and pleasure]

ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button or else...]

ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!]

**Dream: "Interstate Escape" by ? (980326) **

I was in a house that was an amalgam of several houses I have lived in during my life. I needed to escape; from what exactly I wasn't sure.

I looked out the back window and saw an aeroplane in flames above a hill there. There was a chance I could have been on board that plane.

A former neighbour and one of his friends dropped in to see me and he could see how shaken up I was. They were leaving on an interstate car trip and offered to take me along with them. I accepted.

EYES [The organs of sight...the window to the soul...]

FEAR [What scares us]

** Dream: "Ghosts" by ? (980325) **

  Dream Title               GHOSTS
Date of Dream            03/25/98

     I DREAMED I WAS WATER SKIING AND I NOTICED THERE WERE OLD POSTS STICKING OUT OF THE WATER WHERE PIERS HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY. I REMEMBER THINKING THEY WERE DANGEROUS.

SUDDENLY I WAS NO LONGER SKIING BUT UNDER THE WATER AND SITTING THERE WITH NO SCUBA EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING.  I SAW TWO BLOODY MEN SITTING THERE TOO AND I ASKED THEM WHAT THEY WERE DOING.  THEY HAD A BUCKET WITH THEM AND I KNEW THEY HAD MURDERED SOMEONE.   I WAS VERY SCARED.

THEN AS QUICKLY AS I HAD COME OUT OF THE BOAT, I WAS BACK IN THE BOAT. SUDDENINGLY ONE OF THE GHOSTLY MEN LEARED OVER OUT OF THE SKY IN MY FACE AND SAID, "HOW MANY LBS OF CRAWFISH DO YOU WANT"!  I SCREAMED AND WOKE UP.

** Dream: childhood dream by ? (980404) **

Dream Title               childhood dream
Date of Dream            4/4/98 2:39 p.m.

i would like to know if a faceless figure means anything in a particuliar dream. I am having childhood dreams at the age of 33 yrs old. in this dreams i am locked in a closet to my bedroom trying to get out and can not. this faceless person keeps pulling me further away from the closet door and is muffling my mouth so i may not scream.   

i hope that someone may be able to help me......

== Commentary by Heratheta on faceless (980405) ==

"keeps" is the key here and it leads me, when i have a dream like this to take time for something completely different. i'm spending some peace time in the west southwest although east noreast is alternately there.  don't know where that closet of your dream is in relationship to where you dreamt it but i'd try not to spend time there until the next dream.

Comments by Dreamer      I DON'T EVEN EAT CRAWFISH!!!!

FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment]

FIRE [Flames bring light, heat and destruction/transformation]

FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective]

** Dream: Dream web - by dreambat (980411) **

   While on my way home through a little town or neighborhood, I stop to rest at a corner. I hang up some notes for a Web site I am carrying with clothes pins on a bush. I see a car stop beside the road with a woman and a young girl. For some unknown reason I start talking with them and they are very friendly. We get off on the topic of the World Wide Web. The mother knows little about it but is mildly interested. The child is over-enthusiastic and says something naive about how all the information in the world can be found there. I modify the statement a bit for the mother, trying not to dampen the little girl's enthusiasm.  

  The mother returns with cookies and milk. I think it is very odd how friendly they are to me and how she just left me with her child and went away. She heard I liked cookies and milk.  I enjoy the cookies and then leave them. I wonder if they think I'm a bum or street person. 

  I'm getting really pushed to get home on time and begin to hover and fly. Its a little hard to do so and I worry about it. "I really shouldn't do anything so wierd this close to home, it will cause trouble!"  I fly by a pet store or grain store. Its closed as if this were Sunday morning. I notice two huge abalone shells on the street and think they fill these with grains in the daytime when the shop is open. 

dreambat
 

GIFTS [Offerings to or from others]

HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING THINGS

HOLIDAYS [Time off to ...]

HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair]

HOUSE [Where our lives take place]

HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event location]

JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -explorations]

** Dream: 'The Dream' by V (980401) **

I was to meet a group of people.  As far as I know, I did not know them.  I was met by a man, I assume he was the leader, for he told me that I was to go into another room to write my story  before I could join the rest of the group.  When I entered the room, on the table was a tray and a large piece of chalk.  I was to take the chalk and scrape it to make a  bed on the table in order to write my story. Once I made a thick covering on the bottom of this tray, I could then write with this huge, black, thick baton.  But I had to write with my left hand.  Needless to say it was taking awhile just to scrape the chalk.  Someone came in to help me so that I could join the group.  She started to scrape the chalk and we proceed to make a thick bottom, almost like putting a cake mix in a pan, making sure every inch was covered.   Once that was done, the writing went very quickly.  Once I was done, she told me to blow away the chalk.  As I did that, the words were so clear and clean.   As I continued to blow my breath was just taken away and I could feel my self breathing and taking gulps.  The word that was so clear was control.  Everytime I took a gulp, control would be there. And control was at the beginning of each paragraph.   It was almost like my inner self telling me to let go and believe and have faith.    

== Commentary by Maria on A Dream by V(980403)==

Dear V,

What a terrific dream. It reminds me of the sand-paintings that are so wonderfully done, only to be erased quickly. If this were my dream, I would remind myself that my story is beautiful, but written in sand like a sand-painting, only to be erased and to be replaced by another beautiful story. As one who has written her story and had it published, I must say that the feeling about my story is exactly that. It was beautifully crafted as a  sand painting, but my life has changed constantly, and now I could rewrite a whole different story and look at my story from quite a different angle, so I could make a new sand-painting, and little of  it which would not resemble the first story that I wrote. Therefore, control is definitely not something that has a great role to play in life as it comes from the conscious intent, and our unconscious knowing has different plans for us.  This of course would be my take on it if it were my dream.

Maria

== Commentary by Island on 'The Dream' by V (980403)==

I was to meet a group of people.  As far as I know, I did not know them.  I was met by a man, I assume he was the leader, for he told me that I was to go into another room to write my story before I could join the rest of the group.  When I entered the room, on the table was a tray and a large piece of chalk.  I was to take the chalk and scrape it to make a  bed on the table in order to write my story. Once I made a thick covering on the bottom of this tray, I could then write with this huge, black, thick baton.  But I had to write with my left hand.  Needless to say it was taking awhile just to scrape the chalk.  Someone came in to help me so that I could join the group.  She started to scrape the chalk and we proceed to make a thick bottom, almost like putting a cake mix in a pan, making sure every inch was covered.  Once that was done, the writing went very quickly.  Once I was done, she told me to blow away the chalk.  As I did that, the words were so clear and clean.  As I continued to blow my breath was just taken away and I could feel my self breathing and taking gulps.   The word that was so clear was control.  Everytime I took a gulp, control would be there. And control was at the beginning of each paragraph.  It was almost like my inner self telling me to let go and believe and have faith. 

What a beautiful dream! When I began to imagine it being my dream, it was like I felt very reassured that the Dream Maker was nudging me on to live life out as fully as I can, to "write my story," but in the interim, just to remember that the way I might have to end up writing it might not be the most comfortable or pleasant way (take a chalk and scrape it; use a thick black baton, write with my left, though I'm righthanded and so forth) but I would have someone going through the process (living my life) with me. Then to think that at some point I would  blow it all away -- the difficulties, the nitty gritty details, the awkwardness, the struggle, all the things I was trying to exert power and control over (the process of writing with the chalk), and then I would really see my life (the words so clear and clean)..."my breath was just taken away and I could feel my self breathing and taking gulps"! The dreamer really summed it up very nicely, "It was almost like my inner self telling me to let go and  believe and have faith." I would only add that it could be I am summoning up belief and faith in both the living out my life now (writing the story) and in the letting go (time to see what I truly wrote)...

Island

LOST [Disorientation or abandonment]

LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors the             
                dreamer]

LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep]

LUCID DREAMING [Knowing you are Dreaming when you are Dreaming]

MEMORY [Remembering ...In dreams we often struggle with the issue of memories and remembering a dream which by definition involves the process of recollection.]

MIRRORS [Reflection of Self]

MUSIC [Melodies of the land within]

NUDITY [What you see is what you get]

PERFORMERS [Entertainers]

PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes present choices]

** Dream: "Dream Bookstore" by Dreambat (980401) **

As I wander through the old shelves in a side room of a active neighborhood bookstore, I notice how uncomfortable I am having brought in my own book on dreams. Will I have to explain this a book I brought in, will it be an issue when I leave, will they try to make me pay for it. It's a collector's book on dreams and valuable to me. It has a dark brown leather binding and the pages are getting very fragile.

  A man in his late 20's or early 30's comes into the room and says to me "So, this is one of the places you hand out!."  He smiles and acts so familiar with me, but I can't recognise or recall him at all. I smile back, a kind of "yeah, this one of my places and isn't it nice?" and go back to looking for more old dream books like the one I brought. I'm a bit distracted now and notice the other room is getting fuller. I think there is a meeting or presentation here tonight, maybe a small music recital. There is a very bohemian feel about the place. 

  I realize I have left my book somewhere and go over what I just did. I find it under another book (a pamphlet actually) on a self. I sigh. Relief. I think about the irony of making this issue worse by now having it appear as if I actually did get the book off a shelf here.

end dream

== Commentary by Maria on Dream Bookstore by DreamBat (980403) ==

Dear Dreambat:

If this were my dream, I would explore my ambivalence about wanting to make my insights on dreams part of posterity and available to others, and yet wanting to take it back. This ambivalence is not unfamiliar. Yet, the ambivalence remains. When in a more bohemian mood, I want to share my insights and dreams. When more recitent, I want to take everything back.

Maria

POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of power]

RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves including family which constitutes the first and earliest of our relationships, often influencing how we relate to the outside world]

** Dream:  farewell, annie by Stan K (980419) **

[Stan requests that his name and email be kept with the dream.]

stan kulikowski ii << stankuli@pcola.gulf.net   >

DATE  : 19 apr 1998  07:02
DREAM : farewell, annie

=( a normal saturday night.  my mother and i watched some rented videos, i tallied up the monthly bills and wrote out the checks.  the visa bill had not arrived yet which worried me a little since i am already three days late in doing the bills   anyway.  perhaps it is lost.  i bagged about a 100 comics until i ran out of backer boards.  went to bed around 01:00ish and read until 02:30.
)=

anne marie's new apartment has a strange, alien feel to me.  it is a place that i have never known, with new furniture and fresh paint, things that i will never know.   i guess in breaking up with me, she needed an all new start, so she left the little place in sharon to find this one. 

i wonder why she called me to come back just this one time.  i had hopes of a reconciliation when i heard her voice and her request over the phone, but as soon as i saw her, i knew otherwise.  she was still stiff and cold, not allowing me to hold her or kiss her.  i guess this is some exercise in modern relationships where everyone is supposed to remain dear friends after the dissolution.  a good word that.  i feel very dissolved, standing here fingering her new clean drapery, holding my aching heart inside with both hands.

i don't know why i had to come all the way to boston, just for this.

annie comes in from one of the other rooms where i have not been invited.  "i wanted to be sure that all your things were properly returned to you," she tells me.   she had given me back all the little things i had left at her old apartment- several pair of socks, a shirt or two, the extra toothbrush i left on her bathroom sink.   a pathetic little bundle in a brown paper bag.  all there was of me in her life, now looking like trash.  

"i wish you had just thrown them away." i tell her.  this is not very easy for me.  the silver medallion that she gave, now hangs very heavy around my neck.

"and i wanted to let you know that i am seeing someone else."  of course, i knew that was coming too.  she always was rather up front when she saw other men.  i would rather not have heard about this either, but women always seemed to sense that weakness in me and knew how to drive it home.

"he is on his way over here, now, so you had better go."

"yes, i had better go.  i do not feel very comfortable here."  i mutter with flat affect.  fumbling for the door handle, i manage to get out the door before my heart starts to seize in dread.  i will never see her again.

"good bye, stan" i hear her say behind me. 

it takes a while for me to recover enough to drive.  what actually spurs me into action is another car coming in the front entry of the parking lot.  i fire up the engine and leave through the back into the alley in the pouring rain.  if that is the new boyfriend coming for his date, i would rather not see him.  besides, i am to meet bill and paul for lunch before we drive back the ninety miles to the university.  the sky is as grey and wet as i feel.

later i am sitting in the waffle house, while the other two men talk between themselves.  they seem to understand my depression and make with the usual dry talk, not expecting me to respond.  the food comes, but it is tasteless, even the maple syrup.  i toy with the pancakes and try to eat. 

then across the room, i see exactly what i did not want to.  annie is sitting in a booth with some man.  he is younger than her, short hair and clean lines.  why is it that we have to see the very thing we dread the most?  there must be some law which makes us endure what we can least tolerate:  a sense of drama to the universe.   perhaps this karma is intended to toughen us up on the principle that that which does not kill us, makes us stronger.

i take as much of this as i can stand, then i excuse myself from the table.  bill and paul hardly even notice.  as i head out for the door, i can feel it when annie looks at me.  a tangible touch on my back as her eyes move over to me.  i do not look around, but i know that i have not gotten away unseen as i wanted.  damn, nothing is going my way today.

but outside, i see that the rain is breaking up and broad beams of sunlight are slanting down through patches of blue.  not much blue, but enough to see that clear sky does exist above the gloom.  there is an open field across the road and a path that leads into some trees.  

when i get to the forest area, i find a small bird has gotten tangled in some branches.   i do not understand how it managed to do so, but some thorny brambles have ensnared its wing.  carefully i pull the branches away from its trapped wing so it can fly away.  i watch it zoom away in the trees without looking back.  at least i feel that my presence here was not totally wasted.  some good, even a small one, has come of this. 

i walk a little further.  it feels better to be out in the open with the wet foliage and the slightly crisp air after the rain.  i still feel that leaden weight inside, but at least the sharp ache has blunted a little.

but not for long.  nature abhors a vacuum, i guess.  i hear some foot steps and turn to find that anne marie has followed me into the woods.  this is not like her, she never was very oriented to outdoors and nature.  a city girl, always with people around.

"i thought i would find you out here, sulking off by yourself."  she says to me.

"so? you got other things to do, so go do them.  if i want to be alone, i have a right to it."

"i do not understand why you are like this."  she says with a sigh   "my mother told me that she is a repairman and would fix this if i let her."

i do not understand what that last statement meant, but the guy that annie was with comes up to indicate that he is going to leave.  she waves him away.  suddenly i realize that she no longer has a way to get home.  in my chest, the weighted feeling starts to flutter, like hope struggling to become joy but part of it can not transform and a large part says, no this can not be true. i know how that bird felt just before the branches parted.

=( 06:45 i wake feeling rather depressed. the weighted sinking feeling of this dream has stayed with me for some reason.  no particular associations with this.  not all of the descriptions of anne marie are accurate here, but the general feelings are.   )= 

RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual]

== Commentary by DrD on "Digital Dreaming- T" (980424) ==

Oh! what a wonderful dream, thank YOU. Very interestingly, I also a few years back had a dream where I was also in Tron. Unfortunately, I did not write it down... and my memory lost all its details.

However, I realise that the people who write the script of movies are often inspired and most likely get their inspirations from dreams.

"Field of Dreams"..."Starman"..."Ghost"..."Men in Black"....and the list goes on....

Musicians, painters, writers and artists of all kinds seem to get their inspiration from the same unique source!

Now, about Tron, Tron is a personnage which existed in a very remote past, at a time prior to Michael... altough he was also  Michael.

Actually, Tron is a diminutive of his title of "Tetragrammaton" ... which meant "Lesser YHWH" which means that he was one of the incarnation of God himself in the flesh. After he died, he became a spiritual ghostly being which has been remembered eversince as "Meta-Tron"...which means "After Tron". 

So, if we wish to know more about Tron, we simply have to go and read about him in "The Dictionary of Angels" by Gustav Davidson, on pages 192,193,347 and 356...from which these are the best extracts...

"METATRON - in noncanonical writings, Metatron, is perhaps the greatest of all heavenly hierarchs, the first, as also the last, of the 10 archangels of the Briatic world. He has been called king of angels, prince of the divine face or presence, chancellor of Heaven, angel of the covenant, chief of the ministering angels, and the lesser YHWH...the Tetragrammaton!"  "He is charged with the sustenance of mankind. In Talmud and Targum, Metatron is the link between the human and the divine."

Now, you will see that he gets to be a complicated personnage who has numerous identities which are his different incarnations at different times and this has remained a puzzle to this day.

"In his earthly incarnation, he was the patriach Enoch (who ascended to Heaven on a Winged-Horse of Fire) - although "Tanhuna Genesis" (Ref: Jewish Encyclopedia I,94 ) claims he was originally Michael."

Do you see what I mean?

" In a curious tale of the marriage of God and Earth (Elohim and Edem), told in the "Alphabet of Ben Sira, God demands from Earth the "loan" of Adam for 1,000 years. Upon Earth, agreeing to the loan, God writes out a formal receipt, and this is witnessed by the archangels Michael and Gabriel. The receipt, so the story goes, is on deposit "to this day" in the archives of Metatron, the Heavenly Scribe"!!!!

Wow! Now listen to this...

"Metatron has been variously identified as the Dark Angel who wrestled with Jacop at Peniel (Genesis 32) ...( although some other apocryphons say that it was Israel which means "God of Before"); also as the watchman is "Watchman, what of the Night?" (Isaiah 21); as the Logos; as Uriel... (who is depicted as coming down from Heaven on Fiery Chargers!)...etc. It is said that Exodus 23.20 or 22, depending on the Bibles, refers to  Metatron: " Behold, I send an angel before thee, to keep thee in the way and to bring thee unto the place which I have prepared. Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him, he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him."

According to the Cabala, Metatron, is the angel who led the chidren of Israel to the Promised land, through the wilderness, after the Exodus. ...Metatron is the tallest Angel in Heaven and the greatest... mixed up with other Great Princes, the honored and revered ones, who are (all) called YHWH, by the name of their King. This is according to Enoch 3."

Jewish legend relates that Metatron (while still Enoch, a mortal) arriving in Heaven, was transformed into the Winged Spirit of Fire which carried him up there.

Enoch, mentioned, as early as, in Genesis 4, also ascended "in a fiery chariot drawn by fiery Chargers" as related in the " Legends of the Jews" 1, 129-130.... and this is a very beautiful story I tell you....and here are some of the best extracts...

" The impression made by the teachings of Enoch upon all who heard was powerful. "Long live the King!" they  said. On a certain day, an angel appeared and made known unto him that God had resolved to install him as King over the Angels of Heaven.... Then those gathered near him saw a gigantic Steed descend from the Skies..."

" This steed is for me, for the time has come ....". So it was, the Steed approached Enoch, and he mounted upon its back, all the time instructing the people in wisdom and knowledge... and to walk in His ways.... and Enoch was carried into the heavens.... by the fiery Charger." (My abreviation )

It is also said that the pariach Enoch, on his translation to heaven ( Genesis 5 : 24 ) became Metatron , "King over all Angels" ...and was transformed into a Spirit of Fire, equipped with Wings and innumerable Eyes. ( From  "The Assyrian Legend" in "The Epic of Izdubar" and "Enoch 3" another Jewish Legend.)

" In the "Zohar I", Metatron is spoken of as Moses' rod, "from one side of which comes life and from the other death." In Eisenmenger, "Traditions of the Jews II", 408, Metatron is indeed the supreme angel of death, to whom God daily gives orders as to the souls to be "taken" that day. These orders Metatron transmits to his subordinates Gabriel and Sammael."

"That Metatron was considered, at least in some sources, mightier than either Michael and Gabriel is the view expressed in the "Chronicals of Jarahmeel". Here the story goes that whereas neither of the two great Biblical Angels was able to eject Jannes and Jambres, the Egyptian Wizards, from Heaven, (whither they managed, it seems, to ascend by witchcraft), Metatron was able to accomplish their expulsion."!!

Powerful guy... no problem handling Witches!

"As for the size or height of Metatron, "The Zohar" computes it to be "equal to the breath of the whole world."

"King, "The Gnostics and Their Remains", p.15, says of Metatron: "This is the Persian Mithra".

And we all know that Mithra is the Rider of the Swift-Horsed Sun!!!

For your kind info, Mithra, is an Indo-European Solar diety closely related to the Sun. He rises, in the Sky, before the Sun, mounted on his Chariot pulled by White Horses. God with a thousand ears and ten thousand eyes, his sight encompasses the whole universe and nothing escapes him. Mithra never dies, and some images show him behind the Chariot of the Sun, rising towards Heaven to accomplish the resurrection of the dead and
judgement Day.

" Mithra forces men to organise themselves. Mithra has carried, since all times, the Earth as well as Heaven. Mithra throws his glance on human establishments." (Rig-Veda III,59) 

" In Jewish Angelology, Metatron is "the Angel who caused another Angel to announce, before the Flood, that God would destroy the world." (Ref: Jewish Encyclopedia, "Metatron", vol.8."

Apparently he would be the "Angel of the Lord" in Genesis 22.

"Finally, according to Talmud "Abodah Zarah 3b", Metatron is the "Teacher of prematurely dead children in Paradise."

This is all for pages 192 and 193... but on page 347 there is a list of 86 different names of Metatron, among which we can find Surya and Midrash (Mithra)... who are Sun-Gods.

Finally on page 356, you can see the chart of the "Ten Ruling Angels and their Orders" ... which begins by Metatron as the Prince of the World and terminates again by Metatron as the Messiah.!!!... and in between are the names of his different very early incarnations... among which you will find your favourite archangels.

So, this was about the spiritual Meta counterpart of Tron.

Thank you Dr.Davidson, thank you "Electron" for your wonderful dream and hope that you will get some more... and thanks Tron.

Hey! I'm gonna try to rent that movie again...to see what we doin there.

                             Thanks Again "T"

ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another]
              

SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learning related trials]

SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries]

STAIRS [Bridges between levels, between the upper and the lower]

TEETH [Ok, losing teeth is one of the top ten dreams people have questions on. Theories on what they mean range all over the spectrum of possibilities.]

TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of nature]

TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are paralyzed or imprisoned by jobs, relationships or expectations]

VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of lifestyle]

WATER [A magical earthly fluid, nourishment, cleansing]

WORKPLACE [Where we make a living]

WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity]


DREAM SERIES
(None this month)
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Well friends that's it for the dreams section of Electric Dreams
Volume 5 Number 4.  Thanks for reading.  Send in your dreams and
commentary for our next issue ED 5.5 May 1998.

Hasta La Vista!

Bob K.