"Dreams contextualize emotion" Ernest Hartmann Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams Electric Dreams To subscribe to Electric Dreams Send from the address you want to subscribe to electric-dreams-request@lists.best.com And put in the body of the e-mail only subscribe your-email To unsubscribe from Electric Dreams Send from the address you want to unsubscribe to electric-dreams-request@lists.best.com And put in the body of the e-mail only: unsubscribe your-email Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z E L E C T R I C D R E A M S Volume 5 Issue #11 DECEMBER 1998 ISSN# 1089 4284 Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z Electric Dreams on the World Wide Web USA www.dreamgate.com/electric-dreams Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z Send Dreams and Comments on Dreams to: Bob Krumhansl Send Dreaming News and Calendar Events to: Peggy Coats Send Articles and Subscription concerns to: Richard Wilkerson: For back issues, editors addresses and other access & Staff see ELECTRIC DREAMS ACCESS INFORMATION at the end of this issue Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z=Z C O N T E N T S ++ Editor's Notes ++ Dream Airing: Notes, letters to the editor ++ Column: Dream Trek: Dreamers Are Couch Potatoes Linda Lane Magall›n ++ Q&A: Watch Your Dreams + Tips Nancy Huseby Bloom ++ Poem: A Westering Sun: The Dream of an Old Man William C. Burns, Jr. ++ Interview: Dream and Nightmare Authority, Ernest Hartmann, M.D. Interviewed by Richard Wilkerson ++ Article: Dreams and Meaning in Science: Neural Nets Richard Wilkerson ++ Interview: Habib Interviewed by Victoria Quinton November 1998 G L O B A L D R E A M I N G NEWS If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats, pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at http://www.dreamtree.com/News/global.htm. This Month's Features: NEWS -Dream Certificate Program -Alcheringa 2000 : let us dream our future ! -Introduction to Dreamwork courses in London, England -Dreamtales from David Dahl RESEARCH & REQUESTS -Dream Researchers and Students! WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES -To Surf, Perchance to Dream -Snake Dreams Online -Perceptions -French Dream Site Demoiselle -The Daily Analyst -Dreams and the Genetic Code by Bradley York Bartholomew -Experiment in Synchronicity -Exploring Sleep Paralysis -Dream Inspired Collages -DreamMap web site up and running. DREAM CALENDAR for December 1998 D R E A M S SECTION INDEX BY BOB K. (For ED V5 N11) - Includes dozens of dreams from Cyberspace and an editorial on our dreamy blessings. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX DECEMBER 16, FRI deadline for submission FOR Next Electric Dreams vol 6(1) The millennium year begins - send in dreams XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Editor's Notes +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ This is our Holiday issue and we have some real dreamy gifts this month. If you are looking for something to give, how about donating some time to answering questions that kids and other folks new to dreams and dreaming ask us each month? I've copied a few in the Dream Airing Section this month from the Association for the Study of Dreams web bulletin board. Stop by and help us out! Perhaps you noticed and pondered the dream quote at the beginning of the issue? "Dreams contextualize emotion." This summary phrase from Ernest Hartmann goes to the core of his new book _Dream and Nightmares: The New Theory..._. Our dreams make connections which give context to our feelings. From this notion Hartman unfolds what might be called the Unified Dream Theory. I ran into Ernest in Cyberspace and have a special interview for you with him. Note: if you do decide to buy the book, please do so from the ASD site so the money (or some of it) goes to supporting research in dreams and dreaming. If some of the talk in the interview about neural nets seems confusing, I've added a quick summary of the issue in Dreams and Meaning in Science: Neural Nets. Linda Magallon compares dreams and dreamers. Boy what a difference! Be sure to read about this in Dream Trek. Nancy Huseby Bloom suggests some ways to stay active with your dream techniques and hatch some great plans for the New Year in her Watch Your Dreams column. Get you intentions ready and start incubating those dreams! Victoria Quinton, who for many moons kept our Electric Dreams staff meetings fun and joyful, has returned with an Interview with Habib. Be sure to see her full collection of interviews as well with other dreamer online http://www.alphalink.com.au/~mermaid/ed_ivs.htm Peggy Coats has a wide variety of dream news and activities for you. I'd like to call special attention to the Planetary Dream project which will be December 20-21 and involves the dreaming global community. Also note that December 1 is the deadline for presentations for next year's Association for the Study of Dreams conference in Santa Cruz, California. Bob Krumhansl will be telling you all about the dreams this month, and you can see them in the DREAMS section. Includes dozens of dreams from Cyberspace and an editorial on our dreamy blessings. If you would like to CONTRIBUTE DREAMS or comments on dreams to the next issue there are several ways sign up on the ed-core@lists.best.com mail list drop off dreams on the web form at http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/temple send the dream with title and pen name to me at rcwilk@dreamgate.com All dream sharing is considered anonymous unless you specifically request a name or address. And of course, our DreamWheel Dream Groups via email continue as always. If you would like to join an email dream group, drop me a line at rcwilk@dreamgate.com OK, next month we would still like to see Millennium dreams. I think would include apocalyptic dreams, futuristic dreams, and dreams that deal with time and cycles. Send'm in. See you next year! -Richard +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Dream Airing Notes, letters to the editor Send to rcwilk@dreamgate.com +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ America Online: Stop by the Dreamwork Center! The Alternative Medicine forum on America On-Line has now opened a new area on dreamwork with the help of the cyber-dream pioneer, Richard Wilkerson. The focus of this area will be on the relation to heath and wholeness through dreamwork. Be sure to stop by, check out the articles lists and leave your questions on the Alt-Med bulletin board. Some of the articles include: - Getting Started with Dreamwork - Predicting illness with dreams - Revival of Ancient Dream Healing techniques - Carl Jung and Wholeness - New Approaches to Nightmares. Live Chat to be scheduled! (KeyWord: AltMed > Therapies > Dreamwork) or KeyWord: aol://4344:1679.ALTdrem.13664900.588132320 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey, help me out answering dream questions! The Association for the Study of Dreams has an ongoing web bulletin board at http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm While there is (in my opinion) an awful restriction about not discussing the meaning of any particular dream, the questions about dreams and dreaming in general are quite important and I would like to see a wide variety of opinions and replies. Here are some questions from this month you might want to stop by the board and give a comment or two... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted by Kelly on Thursday November 19th, 1998 at 5:58:21 PM PST: To whom it may concern: Previously this afternoon, I was watching VH1's "Pop up Video", and it said something that interested me. It said, "If you dream columns, or in columns (like walls), then you will be robbed soon. They also said that if you dream of hands, then you will involve yourself in a relationship soon, or something similar to that. I was looking through this web site, but my computer is not that fast, and I did not have that much time, but I never really found anything like that. I was searching for a specific area of meannings of dreams, and the theorys that people have. I was thinking more along the lines of a list of things that explain dreams to me. I apologize if you seem to be comfused, but I am rather young, and I do not quite know how to word this all, but is there someway that you could post a list of things that people dream about, and dont quite understand, and then give the meannings to them, and give some kind of reasonable prediction as to what results may come of these dreams. I would greatly appreciate a response to me as soon as possible. As I said, I am very interested in this subject, and would like to do some kind of project, report, or presentation on Dreams, so I would like to recieve any information that you have to give to me. http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted by Sun on Wednesday November 18th, 1998 at 3:42:00 PM PST: I'm doing a project on whether or not the fact that you remember your dreams make you more creative or not, and I'm curious to hear anyone's thoughts on the subject. Do you think it makes a difference in a person's creativity if they remember their dreams or not? I'm open to any suggestions. http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted by Gudrun on Monday November 16th, 1998 at 9:16:05 AM PST: How do I know that I am not dreaming? Are we responsible for our misdeeds in dreams? What if we know not at the time we are dreaming still you might commit a murder in a dream something you would never do awake, and you feel ashamed when you wake up. What caused me to do such a horrible thing in the dream. Im I immoral. Your dreams are supposed to tell you something about yourself. I have had dreams I am to ashamed to tell anyone about them, almost as it was something I had actually done. Still it was only an dream. http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted by Dee on Tuesday November 17th, 1998 at 1:12:58 AM PST: I am not a dream research student or scientist. I have always been interested in dreams (where they come from, what is their purpose, etc.). For the last twenty years, I have had a recurring dream concerning the end of the world. Actually, it is a series of four distinct dreams told from four different viewpoints over a specific period of time and concerning a specific set of events. For the last two years I have been writing the most vivid dreams into a journal. The dreams are varied (as most are) and cover a great range of subjects. But, I've come to notice characteristics that are crucial to each dream. I'm sure you are acquainted with engrams and their function. (No, I am not a Scientologist. I just became aware of them through reading Dianetics.) In each and every dream of people I've questioned there is this commonality. They were all feeling some sort of intense emotion in their dream. Be it excitement, grief, joy, worry, boredom - it was in it's extreme form. Engrams are basically chemically recorded memories produced when a person is confronted with an event that challenges them. If you'll accept dreams as being engramic in nature as my first Premise then you'll begin to understand my second Premise. If dreams are engramic that makes them chemical. In which case it can be passed downstream genetically. How is it that many people (almost all) share the same dreams of falling endlessly or being chased by someone or something which is slowly but surely catching up to us or flying (which I or none in my family have experienced - NEVER) What causes us to have the same dreams? If we all are sharing the same 'gene pool' then it makes sense that we would all share in this great store of knowledge created through generation after generation of experiences. Of course as family trees branch, so does the type of dream. Therefore, when we sleep, we have access (unconsciously) to a great internet of information. There is so much more to my theory and I'm trying to give you the encapsulated version. I've been trying to find someone or some organization that shares even the remotest interest in this type of hypothesis. So far, I've been unsuccessful. Perhaps you can steer me in a new direction or put me in contact with any agency conducting studies along these lines. I would greatly love to participate in such an endeavor. Thanks, Dee http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted by clinton on Tuesday November 17th, 1998 at 4:37:35 PM PST: I ve bought loads of dream dictionaries but all seem vague or shallow.Anyone know a good one with lots of symbols and details? http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted by Deirdre on Wednesday November 11th, 1998 at 2:38:11 PM PST: Why do I sometimes awake from a dream unsure if an event which ocurred ocurred in a dream or in real life? http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted by Ronnie on Tuesday November 10th, 1998 at 11:02:26 PM PST: A boyfriend of my daughter was killed in a car accident about 9 weeks ago.(18 years old) The past week or so she dreams about him every night. She can see and talk to him in these dreams, she says they seem very real and believes that he is contacting her through her dreams. Is this possiable? Or is it that he is so much on her mind that she dreams about him every night? Appreciate any information you might be able to give me on this .Thank you, Ronnie http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted by Andrew on Tuesday November 10th, 1998 at 1:33:11 PM PST: Hello, I am a High School Student doing dream research on the causes of children's recurring dreams. It seems that most people experience one particular recurring dream during ages 5-7 that they remember for a long time. It seems to have a profound affect on them for some reason whether it is a good dream or a nightmare. Often it has been related to night terrors which people experience at the same age and often they relate the two to each other. Anyway, My questions are these: Does anybody know about any research that has been done in this area? Can anyone give general advice on this type of research? I am thinking of interviewing kids at a private day care (being careful to get parental consent) and asking real general questions not about dream content besides good vs. bad. Is this appropriate or reasonable? What other advice can anyone give me? Thank you for your generous help. Sincerely, Andrew http://www.asdreams.org/subidxdiscussionsbboard.htm =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= DREAM TREK By Linda Lane Magall›n Dreamers Are Couch Potatoes =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Dreamers are couch potatoes. Well, I suppose we have to be...we focus so much attention on sleep! So, in general, we are not a very physically active bunch, but boy, oh boy, do we like to talk. And talk. And talk. Talk about dreams, especially our own dreams, and expand that talk through dreamwork techniques. But we'll also listen to other people's dreams and read their dream reports. So here I come to my dream group, talking about active dreaming. And they nod, yes, in theory. But actually get up and do something? Well, maybe, if it doesn't take too long or is very much effort... What gets dreamers out of their seats? Two sure things that I know of (well, three, if you include going to the bathroom). First, food. Dreamers will eat, maybe because mastication is so similar to talking. Besides, you can talk and munch, talk and crunch. But how can you bring that kind of food to the land of dreams? Second, role play. They'll act out a dream. They'll pretend that they are a dream symbol, a dream character or (rarely) dance the entire dream. They'll do it alone or with their buddies. Dress up in costume and have a party. But, in general, those methods apply to the dream of the past. The one they had last night or last week or even last year. Not to a future dream. Not to the one they're going to have tonight. Ah, incubation, they say. Yes, we know about that. That's when you suggest to yourself that you're going to have this, that or the other type of dream. And then sometimes you have it, and sometimes (most times) you don't. But they never say, "Teach me how to dream..." So I have to trick them. We're going to have an experiment, a project, a game, I say. And maybe they'll dream along and maybe they won't. But if they do dream, they sure want to know how other people did. Dreamers are couch potatoes. But they do have active imaginations. Talk to them, and their minds can be rolling like a camera, producing inner pictures. Maybe they aren't even looking at you, because the inner play is so engrossing. The same applies to dreams. It's rare to read a dream that's a still picture shot. No, more likely, the dream will be a moving picture. The dreaming self is an active self. So I share my active dreams and I tell stories about active dreams. I pretend that I'm talking to the dreamers, but I'm really speaking to their dreaming selves. And then, next time we meet, the dreamer will say, "You know, Linda, after we talked I had this dream..." Thank goodness the dreaming selves aren't couch potatoes. CaseyFlyer@aol.com http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/fbnc/fbnc01.htm (Fly-By-Night Club) =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Watch Your Dreams with Nancy Huseby Bloom dreaming@omnicast.net =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Dear Readers, Here we are again at the end of another year of dreaming! But ask yourself, have you been a "passive" dreamer, merely allowing the dreams to come to you as they choose or have you been actively pursuing the knowledge and insight the dreamworld can provide through asking for answers to specific questions through your dreams? I have found that special days such as birthdays, anniversaries, Christmas and New Years are perfect times to "incubate" dreams. Asking for special dreams on important days of the year seems to add significance to our requests. Dream Incubation is a key method you can use to connect with your authentic self where your creativity and intuition are waiting to be discovered and used. We are usually so caught up in the day to day life struggles and challenges that we rarely look into these deeper levels of ourselves. The New Year is a perfect time to ask your inner being, your guardian angel, or God (whichever is most comfortable for you) for a dream that will guide you through the coming year. Believing in yourself or your higher being is important.- You do have the ability to do this! As Patricia Garfield states in her book, Creative Dreaming, dream Incubation "has been a part of every culture and every faith and every time. Belief is what makes dream induction possible." Take your time in forming a question. Do you want to know about a specific person, career, or creative project? Think about what you are asking for. Do you really want to know the answer? When you feel that you are sincere about the question, write it down on a piece of paper and put it by your bedside. If you need privacy, slip the question into your pillowcase or some other safe place. This is an important step. It has been my experience that dreamers often forget their question or how it was worded. Spend time during the day thinking of your question and asking your dreaming self to provide you with an answer. Absorb yourself in the question. Have faith that the inspiration or answer will come. The more energy you put into your request while you are awake, the more likely you are to receive new insights and perceptions during sleep. If you can, spend time just before going to sleep looking at your written question. Repeat it over and over in your mind. This will strengthen your request and signal that you are ready and willing to listen. Here are a few questions I have used in the past. You may want to modify them to fit your own particular situation or needs: -What is the state of my health? How can I best create and maintain a healthy and energetic body? -What is my deepest desire and how can I make it happen? -What do I need to let go of? -How can I deepen (improve, reconcile, complete, etc.) my relationship with my husband, (my children, my parent, my boss). -What will this year bring? Should I marry? What is my true vocation? What should I be focusing on? The questions are as limitless as we are. Look at every dream you receive as if it is a response to your question. Have fun experimenting with this and if you don't get a dream the first night, don't get discouraged. Keep asking! =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Interview with Dream and Nightmare Authority, Ernest Hartmann, M.D. Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:09:37 EST Interview by Richard Wilkerson =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Ernest Hartmann, M. D., is a pioneer and world renowned authority on sleep and dreaming. He has published eight books and 250 papers. He is currently Professor of Psychiatry at Tufts University School of Medicine and Director of the Sleep Disorders Center at Newton-Wellesly Hospital in Massachusetts. A practicing psychiatrist, psychoanalyst and sleep-medicine specialist in the Boston area, his research and clinical work span over 30 years. Among his books, The Biology of Dreaming, The Functions of Sleep, the Nightmare and Boundaries of the Mind are considered classics in the field and have been praised in the New York Times Book Review, The Washington Post Book World and the Lost Angels Times Book Review among others. He has served as President of the Association for the Study of Dreams and was the first Editor-in-Chief of the professional journal Dreaming. Thanks to his father Heinz Hartmann, one of Freud's best know students, Dr. Hartmann actually met Sigmund Freud. However as Hartmann says, "Since he was eighty and I was two, it was not the a great meeting of minds." He resides in Newton, Massachusetts. Dr Hartmann has been influential in the dreamwork community by providing a bridge between clinical and non-clinical practices. The Association for the Study of Dreams, one Hartmann's favorite organizations, provides a forum for scientist and clinicians to meet with pioneering researchers from grassroots and non-clinical settings. In his recent book, Dreams and Nightmares: The New Theory on the Origin and Meaning of Dreams, Hartmann provides views and images that may turn out to be the unified field theory in dreams and dreaming. In a recent online interview with Dr. Hartmann, we discussed many of the issues in his book that are relevant to all those interested in the deepest meaning of dreams and dreaming. Richard Catlett Wilkerson [RCW]: Hi Ernest and thank you for joining in this electronic interview and sharing your time with us. Ernest Hartmann, M.D. [EH]: Hi Richard. Glad to be here. [RCW]: You have published hundreds of articles and written so many books on sleep and dreams over the years, including classics on biology and nightmares and advanced theories on personality. Why another book? EH: Well, this is not just "another book". My articles have usually been on very specific subjects -- often reports on a study. My books have appeared when I thought I had an answer to something important. For instance my early book "The Functions of Sleep" proposed exactly what it says: a new theory on what sleep does for us". MY book "The Nightmare" was chiefly a detailed answer to "Who has Nightmares, and when?" The book just published "Dreams and Nightmares... The New Theory" is my overall attempt to make sense of the nature and function of dreams. It's a book for everyone interested in dreams .... it's not written especially for psychologists or psychiatrists. In fact I think non-professional lovers of dreams will find it useful and will find themselves agreeing with most of it. My clinical work as well as research work leads me to disagree strongly with the "dreams-are-random-products" biologists, and also to disagree with much of Freud. However the view I come up with is compatible with what most people who love dreams believe anyway. In a few words: Dreams make connections in the nets of our minds more broadly than does waking thought. Not randomly, however, but guided by the emotion or emotional concern of the dreamer. Dreams "contextualize" emotion. They do this in the form of "explanatory metaphor". And the process is functional (useful) in several ways. [RCW]: Everyone I have talked to who has read your book finds it very accessible. This is especially nice as you tackle some of the more difficult issues in neural theory, dream science and psychoanalytic thought. What made you decide to write about these topics this way? [EH]: Well, I wrote about dreaming the way it makes sense to me. I'm very happy that people find it accessible. Though I write about things like "nets of the mind", I don't try to get into a mathematical treatment of nets -- in fact there's no math at all in the book. I do it in a very rough "common- sense" way, because I believe that's all we have at present ( or maybe I mean "that's all I can do"; I'm waiting for someone mathematically inclined to tell me just how it might be stated in math terms. Maybe in the future.) [editors note: see Dreams and Meaning in Science for more on Neural Nets] I do discuss psychoanalysis, or at least Freud's main views on dreams, but I think I do it in very simple understandable terms. Overall I have a belief that anything important can be stated simply. I really want readers to understand just what I mean, and either agree with me or disagree. In fact disagreements are especially important. I hope readers who feel I'm just plain wrong on some issue will let me know! [RCW]: You have shown in your book that cases of trauma and stress dreams further many of the notions of the New Theory by providing strong evidence on how key images contextualize emotion. What kind of reaction do you expect from those who (read your book and) feel that dreams are meaningless or primarily hiding latent thoughts? EH: I don't know, but I'd really be curious. Take my Paradigm dream. Someone who has just been through a fire, or some other terrible event dreams "I was overwhelmed by a tidal wave". This person is picturing his/her emotional state. This cannot possible be called random. And I don't think there's a wish being fulfilled ( even after lengthy free associations in many persons.) [RCW]: The New Theory you talk about has been developing for sometime among a large group of researchers. Yet people still seem to entertain the same old notions about dreams. Why do you feel the culture been so resistant to accepting a new view of dreams and dreaming? [EH]: I think this view ( which I call "The Contemporary Theory" in the book; it's not just my theory) will catch on. It has already caught on, in one form or another, among the dreamloving, or dreamworking community. [RCW]: You have a very alchemical approach to dreaming, dreamwork and therapy. (Metaphorically). The alchemists often talked about lead as naturally turning to gold, given enough time. By consciously entering into the transformation, the process is quickened. You have mentioned that dreams are already doing what they need to be doing, (making connections, contextualizing emotion) and through cooperation and attention to this we can have a very fulfilling experience and understanding of them. What's the highest value you feel dreams and dream studies will be able to achieve? EH: I like the say you put that. I hadn't thought of "alchemical", but I can see it. However, I'm worried that some will misinterpret your question, since Alchemy has an aura of magic and weird-wonderful-wizards about it. I think of dreaming as simply allowing us to make connections a little better,... climb your dreamtree and see a little farther. Sometimes this leads to new insights, or discoveries, new art or new religions. Sometimes not. The highest values achievable will be whatever your highest value IS. [RCW]: I'm guessing that a notion that dreamworkers will often draw on from the New Theory, is working with emotion and how it is contexualized in the central image. You mentioned several people working in this area already in both clinical and personal exploration groups, such as the Gestalt work, as well as Bosnak, Gendlin and Ullman's work, among others. Do you have your own special approach for locating and working with the central image? [EH]: Not really. I'm perfectly willing to use Amplification, Free Association, whatever seems to work for a particular situation. I do feel, however, that when time is limited (as it usually is) it makes most sense to start with the central or most powerful image of the dream. [RCW]: You mention a possible limit in the use of central images. That is Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome which you characterize as trauma where the person has so emotionally withdrawn that no new useful connections are being made in dreams or therapy. Do you foresee these PTSD sufferers ever being helped by dreamwork? [EH]: Yes. But it's a complicated Q. They will usually need some other form of treatment first, or in addition. [RCW]: This ability to make connections in a safe place is compared with psychotherapy. Do you see therapists picking up more of a cooperative approach with dreamwork? I'm thinking here again of therapies that might follow your suggestion in bringing out the central image and interweave these concerns with waking life. [EH]: Yes. Yes . Yes. I see dreaming itself as very like psychotherapy ( see chapter 8). Both are "making connections in a safe place". This occurs, I believe even when dreams are not remembered. When they are remembered, the dreamer has a chance to make further connections, and if s/he's in therapy, perhaps even more. For therapists I think it is very useful to think, somewhat humbly, of helping the dreamer make further connections, rather than to insist on finding THE WISH underlying the dream, or an Archetype or whatever. [RCW]: One of the pieces of research & theory you have been involved with that is followed widely in the dream movement has been the thick vs thin boundary personality type. My understanding of this is that these are either natural or early learned styles that produce, as you say, dream people and thought people. The thought people maintain thick boundaries between contexts, are very focused and can shut dreaming memory out altogether. Dream people have thin boundaries, are more sensitive, have a wider, softer focus and tend to recall dreams very easily, sometimes too easily in the case of nightmares. Where do you see this notions being applied most effectively? [EH]: You put it very well. I believe the "trait" or "personality" continuum running from very thick to very thin boundaries, is perhaps the same continuum as the "state" continuum running from focused waking to dreaming. This needs to be explored in terms of functioning of the mind and brain. Where it will lead, I'm not sure. [RCW]: The Dream Movement seems to have contributions from many fields, but has never really had a unifying image. Do you see the notion of dreams contextualizing emotions as creating such an image? [EH]: Could be. I'd like to think so, anyway. For those who think of dreams made up of bits and pieces -- thoughts, images, emotions etc, all mixed up or all playing equal roles -- then there's no unifying image. But if you believe, as I do, that the basic stuff or substance of the dream is IMAGERY, and the basic underlying force pushing or guiding the imagery is EMOTION, then I hope my view of the imagery contextualizing ( providing a picture- context for) the emotion makes unifying sense! [RCW]: You mention that despite you differences with Freud, he has been a large influence on your dream views, both in your professional more personal connections with the psychoanalytic movement. Is the Interpretation of Dreams you favorite dream book? [EH]: I did meet Freud (when he as 80 and I was 2) so I'm prejudiced. I don't know about "favorite" but it's a book that has had so much to do with shaping the 20th century, I believe everyone -- certainly everyone interested in dreams-- should read it. [RCW]: I am told one of the worst interview questions to ask an author is what they plan to write next, but the temptation is too much. What does the dream movement have to look forward to with new Ernest Hartmann projects? [EH]: Wish I knew! It depends on the reaction to the present book and present projects. [RCW]: Ernest, again thank you very much for taking the time out from you work to talk about these new and exciting developments in dreams and dreaming. I'm hoping our many readers will be able to get a hold of you book and read more about your work and thought. [EH]: Thank you, Richard. Pleasant dreams! END Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:09:37 EST If you would like a copy of Dreams and Nightmares: The New Theory on the Origin and Meaning of Dreams, please use the following Association for the Study of Dreams address to order from Amazon.com. By ordering through ASD you support dream and dreaming research. http://www.asdreams.org/subidxshopbooks.htm =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= A Westering Sun The Dream of an Old Man William C. Burns, Jr. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= My tyeer battered and sluggish I reach and it nestles into my hand "You're looking a bit worn, old friend?" I offer "How was the day's energy spent?" The speaking mechanism is breaking down "We won some we lost a few on the whole, I'd say we made a difference." "Who can ask more . . ." One last flicker and my tyeer passes With weathered hands I remove the seed pack from its belly and discard the remains I place the seeds in the stream under a rock they will prosper through the night My hands do not warm after I pull them from the water I lift one of the dream crystals so treasured early in the day now hopelessly clouded I throw it into the stream I find the sonic drill search the hillside for another deposit Yes there right there . . . I find the geode vein I painstakingly carve the humanoid geode figure With failing strength I wrestle the inanimate form into the stream I lift the instrumentation and place the stimulators The work done toward midnight I light a fire wrap the rags of the day around me Yes on the balance a good day. William C. Burns, Jr. Millennium Artist sunhawk@greenville.infi.net http://members.tripod.com/~Rukesayer/index.html =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Dreams and Meaning in Science: Neural Nets Richard Wilkerson =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= It was hoped that with the discovery of REM sleep that soon all the questions about the meaning of dreaming would unfold. But with the discoveries of dreams occurring outside of REM, not only in NREM but in hypnosis, daydreaming and waking dreams, the hope faded. A shift was made away from the content analysis to the process of dreaming itself. The gist of the thinking behind this is as follows - If you want to study muscle functions, its not really necessary to know if a person is using his muscles to pick up a can of tomato soup or chicken soup. And so why focus on the particular dream to understand dreaming? The general question was how dreaming might function to help the biological organism. REM dreaming has been found in not only non-humans (most all mammals have REM sleep) but also in new infants and pre-natal infants. How might this be adaptive to the survival of a mammal? The current thinking on this is that REM might be used at different developmental times for different purposes. In infants, REM might be stimulating associate neural development while in adults it might be functioning a little this way but also serve other functions, such as allowing the brain to be prepared and stay oriented in sleep. All these theories are still quite distant from any proof. Another track that has developed is the case for dreaming having to do with learning and unlearning. Earlier suggestions and research focused on dreaming as processing the residue of the day and coding it into long term memory. Hobson and McCarley found that dream activity in cats begins after random firings in the brain stem. They feel that the sleepy brain gets stimulated by these random firings and tries to make sense out of them and the memories that are initiated. Flying and paralysis, for example, would simply correspond to periods of brain stem activity and inactivity. They do suggest in the Activation-Synthesis model that there is some synthesis by the higher brain functions and thus the dream does contain some higher cognitive actions. Crick and Mitchison combined this research with a model of neural networks to suggest that the brain is actually unlearning during dreaming. They suggested that the neural networks that the mind loads during the day get saturated with information and create false links between neural nets that produce what we see as bizarre dreams. The random firing cleans these out during the night. Thus, they hypothesize, remembering dreams may be counter productive to the unlearning process. The mistake in all these theories, according to Harry Fiss and other, is in our model of science. They way it works now, science ignores all meaning and value. All the tools and methods of science work outside the realm of meaning - they work on quantity, not quality. To use such a method from the beginning and then conclude that dreams are meaningless, is to go beyond what the tools can offer us. One solution, on the edge of the edge, is a re-vision of neural networking. Gordon Globus has suggested that the brain works not only with stimulus-response and chemicals, but with models of whole worlds. He uses a similar model to Crick and Mitchison, but points out that there is a complex interactive brain system best described as neural nets that *produce* as well as respond to events. In waking life there is feedback and corrections from a more concrete world. In sleep we continue to produce models of worlds, but they have their own rules and we then interact with these. Crick, Francis & Mitchinson, Graeme (1983). The function of dream sleep. Nature, 304(14), July, 111-114. Crick, Francis & Mitchinson, Graeme. (1986). REM sleep and neural nets. Journal of Mind and Behaviour, 7(2&3), 229-50. Fiss, Harry (1986). An Empirical foundation for a self psychology of dreaming. The Journal of Mind and Behavior, 7(2&3), 161-192. --------. (1984). Toward a clinically relevant experimental psychology of dreaming. The Hillside Journal of Clinical Psychiatry 147-159. Globus, Gordon G. (1993). Connectionism and sleep. In A. Moffitt, M. Kramer, R. Hoffman (Eds.), The Functions of Dreaming. Albany, NY: SUNY Press. --------. (1991). Dream content: Random or meaningful? Dreaming, 1(1), 27-40. --------. (1989). Connectionism and the dreaming mind. The Journal of Mind and Behavior, 10(2). 179-196. Hobson, Allan J. (also see articles in Consciousness and Cognition: An International Journal. March 1994, volume 3, number 1. Special issue: Dream Consciousness: A Neurocognitive Approach.) --------. (1988). The Dreaming Brain. New York: Basic Books, Inc. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Interview with Habib By Victoria Quinton November 1998 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= VQ: Hello Habib. Would you like to describe The Garden for the Electric Dreams community? H: The Garden has many levels to it (kindof like dreams, I suppose!). My stock answer is that The Garden is a community of people who care for our planet and each other, and support each other as we grow. We use the Internet and other ways of doing that. From another perspective, The Garden is a spiritual family or "tribe." The way many of us feel about each other is like the way you might feel about a friend that you have just met, but feel you have known for years, and you end up spending all night sharing with that person. From yet another perspective (since this Interview is about dreams!), The Garden is based on a real dream I had that the Internet could become a place of love, peace, beauty, and understanding. VQ: So, in this dream were there many other people, or other strong images? H: Basically, the dream went as follows: I descended to an area which was extremely noisy, with lots of flashing lights etc. The place was filled with video games. I felt this place was Hell. Then, as I walked past, a beautiful plant or flower appeared in one place, then another, and another. I woke up and immediately realized that I had just discovered part of my life's work -- that the Internet (and our high tech world) could be transformed into a "garden" of love, peace, beauty, and understanding. VQ: How do you personally regard dreams? H: Since The Garden, which is a major part of my life's work, came from a dream, I would have to say that I regard dreams as rather important! I have had several other dreams that have made an extremely big impact on my life, offering me critical insights into myself and my life's work. My perspective is that life is largely about learning, and dreams allow me to learn about things in a different way, on different levels, than my waking life. Partly this is because I have so many control issues that it is only when I'm asleep that I'm able to be fully open. I keep paper beside my bed and write down my dreams immediately (or else I forget them), and since I wake up frequently at night, I write down a LOT of dreams. Since it is dark, however, I can't always read what I have written the next day!!! VQ: Do you often discuss your dreams with others? H: Rarely. I have never shared The Garden dream with anyone except my wife, and was rather hesitant to share it here. My feeling is that dreams, in most cases, are lessons meant for us as individuals. The meaning of those dreams, symbols and so forth, are based on our own experience and perspective. In general, I don't feel it's useful to share my dreams with others, since those dreams weren't meant for them, and may be interpreted in a dramatically different way, which may not be useful for me or them. As I just wrote those words, I realized that my perspective (on sharing dreams) is based on certain assumptions of who I am as an individual, and what type of relationships I have with others. I would be open to reconsidering the value of sharing dreams with certain people, under certain circumstances, with certain intentions, if appropriate opportunities arose. Yours, Habib Host of The Garden Web: http://www.thegarden.net Email: habib@thegarden.net ICQ: 7649155 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S November-December 1998 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< If you have news you'd like to share, contact Peggy Coats, pcoats@dreamtree.com. Visit Global Dreaming News online at http://www.dreamtree.com/News/global.htm. This Month's Features: NEWS -Dream Certificate Program -Alcheringa 2000 : let us dream our future ! -Introduction to Dreamwork courses in London, England -Dreamtales from David Dahl RESEARCH & REQUESTS -Dream Researchers and Students! WEBSITE & ONLINE UPDATES -To Surf, Perchance to Dream -Snake Dreams Online -Perceptions -French Dream Site Demoiselle -The Daily Analyst -Dreams and the Genetic Code by Bradley York Bartholomew -Experiment in Synchronicity -Exploring Sleep Paralysis -Dream Inspired Collages -DreamMap web site up and running. DREAM CALENDAR for December 1998 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< N E W S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>Alcheringa 2000 : let us dream our future ! For the past two years, a collective dreaming project has occurred at the winter solstice, called Planetary Dream. Sponsored by Oniros, the French dream organization, and the European Association for the Study of Dreams, Planetary Dream is part of an ongoing effort to unite dreamers globally in the year 2000. Planetary Dream 1998 will be held December 20-21. The theme is Transcendence (flying). Instructions to participate and incubate this special dream can be found on the EASD site : http://perso.club-internet.fr/oniros/EASD/ To celebrate this event, a ®Free trance psychedelic flying party¯ will take place in Paris the night of the 18th of December... >>>>>>Dreamtales from David Dahl The Blue Deer and Other Dreamtales by David Rains Dahl is a recently published collection of over 60 short-short stories inspired by dreams and engaging a variety of themes - all told with intense visual imagery and metaphor. A book of dream-sharing, mystery and surprise. The book costs $9.95 and is published by Capra Press PO Box 2068 Santa Barbara CA 93120. >>>>>>Dream Certificate Program Twin Lakes College of the Healing Arts, in Santa Cruz, CA, is offering a 200hr. certifiacte program in Dreamwork, beginning Jan. 13, 1999. This in depth training in Jungian Based dreamwork is for both lay people and licensed clinicians. Classes include lectures, demonstrations, direct experience and supervised practice in the art and craft of working with dreams. For more information and brochure, call the office at (831) 476- 2152. >>>>>>Introduction to Dreamwork courses in London, England Dreams are the most personalised form of the Oracle, and often the most miraculous, in that they are created-each night -specifically for every one of us. One function of our dreams is to point out our blind spots and correct narrow or one-sided viewpoints; because of this it helps to tell them to a sympathetic listener who can provide objective insight and feedback. Using symbols and metaphoric imagery, dreams employ a language that-with a little help and practice-anyone can learn. In fact, the very act of working to understand your dreams is usually supported and rewarded by the Oracle, who seems to respond when it knows that its messages are being heard. Although much goes on in your dreaming life that is not meant to be interpreted, working with dreams over time is an excellent way to connect with a sense of meaning in your life. Nora Leonard will be running courses in dreamwork beginning in January of 1999 in West Ealing (London, England). The introductory course runs for 6 weeks, two hours per week, and covers such topics as: keeping a proper dream diary; learning to ask the right questions of a dream; how dreams portray our current situation in metaphoric terms; the need to bring in individual associations and amplifications to dream imagery; recognising and dealing with mythological motifs; how dreams often picture our own inner dynamics as outer relationships and situations-for example using our own parents in dreams as images of how we"mother" or "father" ourselves. Theory will be translated into practice using dreams brought to the sessions by course participants. The classes will be kept to 6-7 participants so that each member gets a chance to present their dreams. The cost will be 60 pounds sterling for the 6 weeks. Please phone 0181-998-2366 or email nleonard@vatamoen.u- net.comfor further details. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< R E S E A R C H & R E Q U E S T S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>Dream Researchers and Students! Read on for information about the journal Dreaming, and about ASD's 1999 University of California, Santa Cruz. The annual ASD conference is the world's largest gathering of dream researchers and academics, and includes researchers from many disciplines. 1) The journal Dreaming. The latest issue of Journal Citation Reports, which assesses the world's 6000 main journals, gives Dreaming's 1996 Impact Factor (that is, average number of citations in science, social science, arts and humanities journals in 1996 to articles published in Dreaming in the previous 2 years) as 0.543, and their Immediacy Index (that is, number of times in 1996 that Dreaming articles published in 1996 were cited) as 0.176. Dreaming is being cited more than the journals Adolescence, Applied Nursing Research, Aids Patient Care Studies, Africa, American Criminal Law Review, Adult Education Quarterly, Anthropology Quarterly, Ageing Society, American Political Quarterly, American Journal of Psychotherapy, and American Journal of Art Therapy. These are just a few of the journals starting with A, let alone other letters, that Dreaming exceeds in level of world citation. It also exceeds GLQ-Journal of Lesbian and Gay Studies, Journal of Mind and Behavior, Canadian Psychologist and Australian Journal of Psychology. The journal publishes work in many academic disciplines, but for those involved in sleep or psychology the journal's Immediacy Index (0.176) is comparable to that of Journal of Sleep Research (0.194) and exceeds the British Journal of Clinical Psychology (0.151) and Personality and Individual Differences (0.105). Dreaming's Impact Factor (0.543) is comparable to that of Personality and Individual Differences (0.876), and Journal of Sleep Research (0.862), and is higher than half of the 90 journals classed by JCR as general psychology. Obviously this success and quality is costly, in terms of the editor-in-chief, editorial board members and referees' time and commitment, and the last ASD Board meeting agreed 12000USD ($12,000) for the costs for journal administration for 1999, in addition to the publishers costs for printing and distribution. 2) Full abstracts for all articles that have been published in Dreaming, plus article discussions, are now available on the ASD website, at http://www.asdreams.org/idxjournal.htm 3) ASD 16TH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE, JULY 6th-10th 1999, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, SANTA CRUZ THE CALL FOR PAPERS IS AVAILABLE FROM http://www.asdreams.org/asd-16/asd16_call99.htm DEADLINE 10 DECEMBER 1998 Here is a selection of some of the Hawaii 1998 conference scientific and social scientific papers: content analysis of martial arts practitioners' dreams; dream content and self-esteem; thin boundary ratings and dream content; lots of papers on the relationship between nightmares and trauma, and the treatment of both; dream content of psychiatric inpatients; quantitative analysis of dream publishing activity over the 20th century; dreams of cardiac patients; dreams of insomniacs; suggestibility in the reporting of dream recall frequency; update on the activation-synthesis theory; effects of bodily stimulation on dream content; dreams and the visual system; dream content coding on the Schneider/Domhoff website; various cross-cultural papers; meaning in series of dreams. There were also presentations on the research use of long term dream journals; childhood nightmares; the anthropology of dream theories in Bali and New Guinea; lucid dreaming; dreams in literature and in films; a sociological presentation on the disapproval of dreams in the films of Disney; universal dreams; and the etiology of nightmares. Also of note work from other disciplines, such as Milton Kramer's historical/psychoanalytic paper on how the Irma dream may not have been about Emma Eckstein, and Kelly Bulkeley's historical paper on the reported dreams of Socrates about his death, and dream interpretation in ancient Greece. REGISTRATION FOR THE 1999 CONFERENCE IS AT A REDUCED RATE UNTIL 1/1/1999, DETAILS ARE AVAILABLE ON http://www.asdreams.org/asd-16/registration99.txt 4) Suggestions have been made for at least one 2 hour research symposium, as an addition to the many research paper, panel and symposium sessions, in which informal discussions could take place, which would have some of the characteristics of the post-talk/dinnertime exchange of information that is present for small groups at other times of the conference. The aim is that the discussion may precipitate future research projects, and may be of benefit to student researchers. Further information on this is available from m.t.blagrove@swansea.ac.uk <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< W E B S I T E & O N L I N E U P D A T E S <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Do you know of interesting new websites you'd like to share with others? Or do you have updates to existing pages? Help spread the word by using the Electric Dreams DREAM-LINK page www.dreamgate.com/dream/resources/online97.htm. This is really a public projects board and requires that everyone keep up his or her own link URLs and information. Make a point to send changes to the links page to us. >>>>>>DreamMap web site up and running. On the http://www.dreammap.com web site you can download the DreamMap software (supported versions include Mac 68k, Mac PowerPC, and Windows95/98/NT). DreamMap is a dream text journal and visualization tool that helps the dreamer explore links between groups of dreams. Another new item on the new dreammap site is that you can read the epistemology of the DreamMap software, including the different iterations and the content analysis framework underlying the dreammap software. Dreams and the Genetic Code by Bradley York Bartholomew http://www.magiccomputers.com.au/bartholomew/ >>>>>>Keep Dreaming and Stay Young! It has been known for decades that the fetus spends the majority of its time in REM sleep. Likewise there is a well-established theory that much of the pre-language behavior of the neonate, as well as the mechanisms for the emergence of language, are "pre-wired" into the brain. It is suggested that it is in fact fetal dreams which are crucial for the development of these innate factors, and that through its dreams the fetus is being rehearsed in the behaviors it will indulge in after it is born. Not only may REM sleep be the essential factor for the development of the central nervous system (CNS) in utero, it is also likely that dreams are responsible for maintaining the CNS throughout the lifespan. It is known that the amount of REM sleep decreases with age, so if the proportion of REM sleep could be kept constant at the young adult level, the process of aging may be slowed. >>>>>> Perceptions A new dream-related site called Perceptions promotes the connection between creativity and spirituality, with a large emphasis on dreams and how they inform and shape our experiences and goals. The site is in association with Perceptions Newsletter, a bimonthly, snail-mail publication that regularly includes articles on dreaming as well as dream- inspired poetry. (Like the website, the publication is not exclusivelydevoted to dreaming, but does place a large emphasis on dreams.) They offer a links page that includes a small dream section, as well as a dream section in our online bookstore. We also have an online poetry forum. Our goal is to hare resources and support with regard to the individual creative and spiritual journey, of which dreams and dreamwork are an integral and invaluable part. http://members.aol.com/LvnNDreamn/perceptions.html >>>>>> To Surf, Perchance to Dream http://www.angelfire.com/tn/MythsDreamsSymbols/index.html Those who have an interest in dream interpretation can visit this website for free interpretations. Jerry Gifford, the author, primarily uses Jungian dream psychology when working with dreams. His webpage was mentioned in the New York Times Circuits section in the article by Tina Kelley 'To Surf, Perchance to Dream'. >>>>>>Snake Dreams Online http://www.greatdreams.com/snakes2.htm Anyone who is sometimes troubled by dreams of snakes, might be interested in taking a look at this new dream page about snakes. There are also a couple about dragons. The page includes interpretations. >>>>>>French Dream Site -- Demoiselle http://pages.infinit.net/aum/. This new dream site is collective site in French, established by seven women in Qu‚bec and France, all empassioned by dreams. The name of this site is: Les demoiselles du rˆve, because in French "demoiselle" has two meanings: lady and lullaby, which is the messenger of dreams in the Amerindians tradition. >>>>>>The Daily Analyst http://callisto.worldonline.nl/~cb008448/ Free Association in Everydaylife . . . Vrij Associ‰ren in het leven van alledag Explore your dreams, fantasies and anything else on your conscious mind . . . Onderzoek uw dromen, fantasie‰n en al het andere in de geeste... your co-explorer is Willem Linschoten, psychiatrist. psycho-analyst (and.... Sigmund Freud is at the Freudmuseum in Vienna!!!) The Daily Analyst's old and new items daily on work-days. Languages: Dutch, English, French, German, HTML, Italian, Latin. >>>>>>Experiment in Synchronicity http://www.webspawner.com/users/COSMIC/ This website reviews an experience that conforms to a principle called 'synchronicity', the psychic relativity of space and time, through the dreaming function. >>>>>>Exploring Sleep Paralysis http://www.eden.com/~sbonham/Sse.htm Sleep paralysis is a condition that happens during the onset of sleep or awakening. The sleep and awakening onsets are key for many people who like to have the experience of "leaving the physical body", with awareness, or also called "entrance into lucid-dream from the awaken state" by LaBerge's school. Sleep paralyis is one the phenomena one might experience in this situation, which might be accompanied by "dream-like hallucinations".However, the fact that the person is conscious and unable to move, can be frightening. Author Sirley Marques Bonham was appalled when she first entered the sleep forum from the University of California Los Angeles, where she read the many accounts ofpeople having sleep paralysis, and thinking they could be going crazy. Some of them even ended up being treated for a pathology that didn't exist, due to the ignorance of the psychoanalyst, or sleep professional). It was from there that she learned about Jean-Christophe Terrillon, a Canadian bio-physicist who now works in Kioto, Japan. They had many discussions about these phenomena, before they deciced to write a paper together. This paper was presented at the meeting of the Society for Scientific Exploration in Charlottesville, North Carolina, last May. Visit Sirley's website, THE DREAMER PAGE at http://www.eden.com/~sbonham/dream.htm. >>>>>>Dream Inspired Collages http://home.pacbell.net/davekat/gallery0.htm Art in theAlchemical and Tantric Tradition by husband and wife Kathleen Eiswald and David Wells. Enjoy several galleries of beautiful collages. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< D R E A M C A L E N D A R December 1998 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<|||||||>>>>>>>>>>>|||||<<<<<<<<<<<< Dec 5 in Berkeley, CA Annual Bay Area Dreamworkers Group (BADG) Holiday Party, 7 11 pm. For more information, contact Jim or Marcia Emery at (510) 526-5510, or PowerHunch@aol.com. Dec 4-6 in Lexington, KY Workshop with Jeremy Taylor. Contact Paula Raines at 606.226.0130 for more information. Dec 9 in Pittsburgh, PA "Dream Workshop" meets at 7:00 pm at 4836 Ellsworth Avenue (Friends Meeting House). Call 412.241.7885 for information. Dec 18 in Glendale, CA "The Wisdom of Mythic Stories Symbolic Maps of Life Stages". This seminar presents personal applications of mythology and symbolism. For more information, contact Center for Story and Symbol, 310 W. Quinto Street, Santa Baraba, CA 93105, telephone: 805) 687-7171, email registrar@folkstory.com; website http://www.folkstory.com Dec 20-21, Worldwide The theme for the next Planetary dream, which will take place during the night of the winter solstice (20th to 21st of december 1998), will be : TRANCENDENCE (flying). For more information, you can visit the ASD or the EASD URL addresses http://www.ASDreams.org/ http://perso.club-internet.fr/oniros/EASD/ Dec 30 in Fresno, CA "The Wisdom of Mythic Stories Symbolic Maps of Life Stages". This seminar presents personal applications of mythology and symbolism. For more information, contact Center for Story and Symbol, 310 W. Quinto Street, Santa Baraba, CA 93105, telephone: 805) 687-7171, email registrar@folkstory.com; website http://www.folkstory.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ == D R E A M S S E C T I O N == ED V5 N11 == ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** D R E A M S SECTION INDEX BY BOB K. (For ED V5 N11) Hi there! Welcome to ELECTRIC DREAMS - DREAMS SECTION for Vol. 5 Number 11 - December 1998 Hello dreamers! This month we have approximately 57 pages worth of special treats in a time displacement kind of way. We have a festival of Communication with the Dead dreams, and corresponding commentary more appropriate of a Halloween Ghosts issue. However, this is a subject that many people get scared out of their wits with, yet are quite frequent. For those wishing to learn more about the dreams from the departed, the learned dreams authority Patricia Garfield wrote a book on the subject a couple years ago. The following information is provided for those interested in pursuing the subject further- The book is 'The Dream Messenger : How Dreams of the Departed Bring Healing Gifts' by Patricia Garfield, PhD. List Price: $22.00, Hardcover - 300 pages (February 1997) Simon & Schuster; ISBN: 0684813599. Other categories FEEDBACK, DREAMING, FEAR, HOSPITAL, HOUSE, TEETH, TORNADOS, TRAPPED and VEHICLE also have contributions this month, many eeriely touching on death or ending themes. May the sun rise on your new day! Dream on! Happy New Year. May the new year bring us a robust crop of birth and baby dreams, focusing on potential, growth and the future. NEW CATEGORIES: [NONE] EDITORIAL: THANKSGIVING As we approach the Thanksgiving holiday here in the United States, a time for reflection on the blessings we have in our life arises. We take so many things for granted in the daily course of our lives. Try to take some time every day to reflect on all the good things that have happened in your life, and all the resources you have to do what needs to be done during this journey down the path of human life. Many times, places, things, ideas, and people have left our real time lives in a way dying out of our lives. Yet many new times, places, things, ideas and people have rushed in to replace to some degree or another the departed. In our memories some of the old , outdated, or outmoded still lives on as a source of strength or a source of fear. Our dreams help us to channel these very real forces into an integrated present self. Look, listen and learn from the wisdom within. Thanks to those who have shared their dreams and commentary with our community. Enjoy your visit to the pages of Electric Dreams. Bob Krumhansl FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES == Commentary by JayV on 'the big house' dream in e.d 5.9 == == Commentary by RobLewis on Attack of the Oyster (981027)== == Commentary by BobK. on Dr. Salt (981122) == == Commentary by NutcrackerRCW: challenge Dr D's viewpoint? (981119)== NEW DREAMS: PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS [Stories from past experiences, or send them in before it happens, if you can] REPETITIVE DREAMS [Significant by nature] ** Dream: Stairs by SueM (981119) ** == Commentary by Bob K on Stairs == DREAM TRACES IN WAKING LIFE [The effects of external stimuli on our dreams or is it the other way around - our dreams leaving a trace on our physical reality?] DEFYING CLASSIFICATION [Your stumpers may not be so mysterious to others] = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE BIRTH [Starts] CHILDHOOD [Early development] ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing] ADULTHOOD [The main event for most] OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end] DEATH [Endings] ** Dream: Hillary Clinton's Death by Night Sky (981102) ** COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial limits] ** Dream: my father's funeral (931227) ** == Commentary from SharonG (981107) == == Commentary by Ione My Father's Funeral (981107) == == Commentary by DrDre on "My Father's Funeral... and Other Similar Dreams of the Departed!!" (981110) == == Commentary by Heratheta on Funeral Dreams/Comments (981112) == ** Dream: "Fancy Meeting You Here" by Nutcracker (981114)** == Commentary by Heratheta on Fancy & Departed Dreams (981120) == ========================================== ========================================== AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others paths] ALIENS [Visitors or visited - creatures from other dimensions] AMUSEMENT PARK [A place to relax and enjoy, another reality] ANGELS [Visitors from Spiritual dimensions] ANIMALS [Basic Instincts] BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination] BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we were] BOOKS (Extensions of our memory and imagination, our permanent records) BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from here to there] CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous] CLOTHING [What we wear tells us about ourselves and the events we participate in] COMEDY [With an accent on puns, funny situations or jokes] COMMUNICATIONS [From telepathic to devices to signs & symbols] COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools, communication] CULTS [Somewhere out there ...] DIRECTIONS [Ever stop and ask for directions? North, South, East, West, up, down, ahead, behind, straight, turn, right, left, make a circle, cross, go through, open, close, mix, add, boil, cook, simmer, but most of all - follow these instructions carefully...and don't be shy about asking someone else down the path, except, of course, for the Big Bad Wolf!!!] == Commentary by Heratheta on Various Dreams(981112)== 11/4 hillary drm 11/2 stan drm kiss drm 10/30 atm drm 10/29 teeth drm thanks - dream geography DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments] DREAMING [Dreams about dreaming] ** Dream: goodnight kiss by raindrop (981031) ** == Commentary by Bob K.on Goodnight Kiss == DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?] EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth and pleasure] ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button or else...] ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!] EVENTS [The activity defines or dominates the story - a convergence of people at a place and time for a special purpose] EYES [The organs of sight...the window to the soul...] FEAR [What scares us] ** Dream: Stay away from ATM by DC (981029) ** ** Dream: Bloody Sunday--Kendalyn (981110) ** FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment] FIRE [Flames bring light, heat and destruction/transformation] FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective] GIFTS [Offerings to or from others] HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING THINGS HOLIDAYS [Time off to ...] HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair] ** Dream: "Clinical Communication" by Chris (981115)** HOUSE [Where our lives take place] ** Dream: jamies house by ? (981116) ** HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event location] JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -explorations] LOST [Disorientation or abandonment] LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors the dreamer] LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep] LUCID DREAMING [Knowing you are Dreaming when you are Dreaming] MEMORY [Remembering ...In dreams we often struggle with the issue of memories and remembering a dream which by definition involves the process of recollection.] MIRRORS [Reflection of Self] MUSIC [Melodies of the land within] (See Music Lessons in SCHOOL THEMES) NUDITY [What you see is what you get] PERFORMERS [Entertainers] PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes present choices] POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of power] RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves including family which constitutes the first and earliest of our relationships, often influencing how we relate to the outside world] (If you didn't read X and The Past in REPETITIVE DREAMS, they are about the theme of dealing with past romantic relationships) RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual] ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another] SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learning related trials] (Check out NURules in the REPETITIVE DREAMS section) SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries] STAIRS [Bridges between levels, between the upper and the lower] [See Repetitive dreams] STRANGERS [Who and what we don't know yet] TEETH [Ok, losing teeth is one of the top ten dreams people have questions on. Theories on what they mean range all over the spectrum of possibilities.] ** Dream: Crumbling Teeth by ? (981028) ** TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of nature] ** Dream: storm maiden by stan kulikowski ii (981031) ** TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are paralyzed or imprisoned by jobs, relationships or expectations] ** Dream: "Confused & Trapped" by ? (981028) ** VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of lifestyle] ** Dream: Crazy Night-taylor (981109) ** WATER [A magical earthly fluid, nourishment, cleansing] WORKPLACE [Where we make a living] WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity] = = = = = = = = = = = == DREAM SERIES == Commentary by Dr.Deus on Head of State Funeral Dream for Night Sky! (981110) == = = = = = = = = = = = == FEEDBACK FROM THE DREAMERS COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES == Commentary by JayV on 'the big house' dream in e.d 5.9 == in my 'the big house dream' i feel good that i am gentle with the little boy (myself). i want to work on getting to know and understand him better. then there will come a time when i will be ready and able to introduce him to the people in the new part of the house. this will make me feel even better. == Commentary by RobLewis on Attack of the Oyster (981027)== Hello Cathy: As an aside, the French translation of your dream was 'epouvantable'; but your dream was very interesting and revealing. In my view, in your waking life, you have convinced yourself that you are enthusiastic about something, or looking forward to doing something, or that something appears pleasant/enjoyable (traveling, new job, new school, new friends, circle of friends:  I don't know anything about your life so it could be anything) but the dream is telling you that you are deceiving yourself, that whatever it is that you are doing or contemplating doing or what appears pleasant/enjoyable is not and you are not enjoying it and/or will not enjoy it, and may in fact dread it. Thanks for sharing this dream, Rob == Commentary by BobK. on Dr. Salt (981122) == Dream: I am in a Doctors office. A young male Doctor enter's. I do not know him. He looks at my chart and ask's "are you still eating Salt?'. I am confused. I think I must not have heard him properly. I say "pardon?' He repeats "Are you still eating salt?' . I am confused and think, what has salt got to do with anything? I'd appreciate input. Thanks, Joe Commentary: The question posed in this dream appears to be Salt - it's function and purpose. The confusing part seems to be that it is being tyreated like a medicine in this dream. This is a good examp-le of dreams where some object is taken out of context so much so that it yell out to the dreamer for attention. What does salt have to do with anything? For starters, does the dreamer use any salt for seasoning foods in their waking life diet? Might they be using too much so that it is unhealthy for them? The setting in the doctors office indicates a context of disease diagnosis, prevention or healing. What meaning does salt have in the dreamers life? In my experience, it adds immensely to the enjoyment and taste of food which is an internal feeling. I usually use some every day! In a social context, a well known expresion refers to humble people as the salt of the earth. As a chemical, salt is used as a food preservative of sorts. In areas where it snows, it is used to melt the snow from the roads and pathways making them more easily passable. What does salt mean to you? Is it a positive or a negative? Do you need some in your life or do you use too much? Once you address that issue, you can move on to the one the dreamer asks: What does salt have to do with anything? The same process would apply to any seemingly out-of- context dream image. To find out what the dream might be talking about play around with the imagery, you'll be surprised with what you find. == Commentary by NutcrackerRCW: challenge Dr D's viewpoint? (981119)== First I'd like to thank Dr. D for his rousing rendition of 'Day of the Dead' dreams. What a way to go, huh? It would have been extra spooky on Halloween, n'est ce pas? As usual, it was quite entertaining to say the least! Nobody can interpret them like the good ol' doctor, and I should know, having intimately explored the parallel universe with the Winged Leader on numerous occasions. On the cosmic applause meter, Dr. D deserves a standing ovation! I don't suppose anyone lurking out there would care to challenge Dr D's viewpoint? If not, why not join us in our explorations with some serious discussions about dreams and learn something new. Everyone's welcome. NEW DREAMS: PRECOGNITIVE/FUTURE DREAMS [Stories from past experiences, or send them in before it happens, if you can] REPETITIVE DREAMS [Significant by nature] ** Dream: Stairs by SueM (981119) ** Since I was a girl, I have had a repeating dream in which I'm either going up or down stairs. At the end of the stairways, I am never able to go through to the last floor. I get scared [frightened to freezing point] and I just can't. One time, a close friend of mine was at the end, she had made it there already. She saw what was up there, and she told me I wouldn't like it, but that I should see what it was anyway. Unfortunately, I was woken up before I could continue my mysterious walk. I stopped having the dream three years ago. == Commentary by BobK on Stairs == Stairs help us get from one level to another, one place to another. They act as a bridge between otherwise disconnected places. Like closed doors which open into places we have never been before, approaching the unknown is always scary. In this dream, a dream helper tries to break the blow of expectations as to the next level. It's not that great. Recurring dreams will stop when the issue it presents ceases to be of concern or the message otherwise gets across. If this were my dream and it had stopped, I would guess that I either reached the unknown level the top of the stairs represented already, or ceased to be scared about the uncertain changes that faced me at one time. Something happened about three years ago that put my internal concerns to rest. DREAM TRACES IN WAKING LIFE [The effects of external stimuli on our dreams or is it the other way around - our dreams leaving a trace on our physical reality?] DEFYING CLASSIFICATION [Your stumpers may not be so mysterious to others] = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LINKS TO STAGES OF LIFE BIRTH [Starts] CHILDHOOD [Early development] ADOLESCENCE [Maturing, testing] ADULTHOOD [The main event for most] OLD AGE [Wisdom, Approaching the Journeys end] DEATH [Endings] ** Dream: Hillary Clinton's Death by Night Sky (981102) ** Date of Dream 11-2-98, 3:00 a.m. I am being brought somewhere by some being. The location is hard to describe, surreal, simple, outdoors. Looks something like a train station/platform. Hillary Clinton is there all dressed up, waiting, but Bill Clinton and the others do not arrive. It is like the last straw for her. She decides to kill herself and does so in a car. It happens fast. I am allowed to feel what she is feeling. She is angry, very, very sad, tired, in a giving up state. After her death I am allowed to feel the sadness in the country as the people mourn her. Comments by Dreamer: I woke up and felt the dream's residue most of the day. I don't want it to be prophetic. I tried applying it to my own life, but I am not in a relationship, my job is fine and I am not suicidal. But I realize that sometimes the most important dreams are the ones we deny. Also, I wonder if anyone else has had a similar type dream. Thanks, Night Sky COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEAD [Beyond our terrestrial limits] ** Dream: my father's funeral (931227) ** Date of Dream December 27, 1993/4-5a.m. (Submitted 981108) After my father died all my family said that they felt my father would come to me in a dream to let us know that he was okay. The first night that he died, I did not dream and neither the second night. On the third night, the day before his funeral I had a dream in which I woke up crying (I was 29 years old at the time). In the dream, we were at my father's funeral which was at our parent's home. It was an open casket which was in my parent's bedroom and all the vistors were in the front room and kitchen. I was in the room with my Aunt Betty (his sister in law) while she was viewing my father. For some reason she decided that she would try to climb in the casket. Now if you knew my Aunt Betty, she is a sizable lady with a good sense of humor. As a result, the casket fell over with her and my dad rolling out of the casket. When she stood up, she asked me what were we going to do to put him back in the casket. As we were trying to figure it out, my dad opened his eyes. Both of us were suprised. He asked me to go get my brothers and my mother so that we could talk. Once they came in the room we closed the doors to their bedroom and he told us that he was okay. He kept saying it over and over, "I'm okay." We said what were we going to tell everyone since they all here for his funeral. He said to not tell anyone and go along with the funeral. He said that it would be our secret. When I asked him what he was going to do with himself while he was hiding out, he said that he would be a ham radio operator (I think that is how you spell ham?). As he said this we could hear a ham radio squak with some different people saying "breaker one, two, R.C. (that was his nickname) can you hear us. We are ready to party." At this point I woke up crying. I let my family know that Dad was okay and he actually had gotten himself a job in heaven. My Aunt to this day does not understand why she had to be the one to dump him out of the coffin. The funny part about the day was my uncle (his brother-not married to my Aunt Betty) came to me at the funeral to let me know that during a dream he had about my father that my dad told him to tell me that it was all right. My father was and is the apple of my eyes. Comments by Dreamer: Can dreams be a connection to the after life and/or other spiritual things? == Commentary from SharonG (981107) == Hi Richard, I believe that while we are asleep, our bodies leave the dense body to give vital rest and repair damage to tissues. I strongly believe that we can connect with the ether and receive messages from another dimension of life in the state of sleep. Take care Sharon == Commentary by Ione My Father's Funeral (981107) == Re: What wonderful dreaming! Yes, I have heard and myself witnesssed many similar accounts of responsiveness in dreams particularly in the recently deceased. The three day period seems about right in terms of Buddhist understanding of when the consciousness would return. Also, read Edgar Cayce on Dreams for various accounts of dream phenomena- . He indicated that some 'visitation' dreams are indeed just that- real visitations. How to tell these from other dreams? He says, and I teach that it is by the feeling tone of the dream. The actual visitation dreams have a particularly potent, and eventually recognizable feeling, completely different from a regular dream about the person. My best to you, IONE Send a dream to my Dream Sack Website / December 11 at 12:45 PM - Haas Pavillion, Mills college, Oakland, a scene from Ione's Featuring Mills Students and Bay Area Community Members http://www.deeplistening.org/ione Iodreams@deeplistening.org == Commentary by DrDre on "My Father's Funeral... and Other Similar Dreams of the Departed!!" (981110) == Dear Dreamers, That dream is a very typical Dream of the Departed. Personaly, I classify them in a few categories and this one would fall into the Familiar Defuncts or Familiars category... and let's re-read it for fun, instruction, guidance and pure wonderment... ............... Oh! what a beautiful dream and coming with a confirmation dream dreamt by his brother. I really hope that the "Apple of your Eyes" will give you divine sight... or insight, if you prefer. About your question... >Can dreams be a connection to the after life >and/or other spiritual things? The answer is YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! And, you know, the funniest is that I explained that in several postings in February, March and April of this year with absolutely no comments nor reply... except from Nutcraker. I will repost these to refreshen the sleeping minds of a few... within the next days. As stated earlier, the Dream Realm is the the parallel Spiritual World, the World of the After Life and all... "ALL" the Old Civilisations were aware of that most crucial fact and still today all... "ALL" the so-called Primitive Tribal Societies are still fully aware of this primordial truth. As the Prophet Mohammed said... "Now Allah has created the dream not only as a means of guidance and instruction, I refer to the true dream, but he has made it as a window on the World of the Unseen." (Prophet Mohammed, Arabia, 7th century A.D.) ... and this is clear like crystal clear water. Let me illustrate the phenomena of the "Miraculous Transformation" with the following example from... The Facts on File Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend by Anthony S. Mercatante copyright 1988 published by Facts on File of New York and Oxford, ISBN 0-8160-1049-8 "Sennadius, Dream of" is on page 579, and is item number 2643. "Sennadius, Dream of: In Christian legend, a dream recorded by St.Augustine in one of his epistles to prove that man has two natures. "Sennadius was a physician who did not believe in the duality of man's nature and consequently in a future life. One night an angel appeared to him in a dream and asked him to follow. The angel took Sennadius to the confines of a city, where he was 'ravished with celestial music' that the angel told him came from the voices of perfect spirits. Sennadius thought no more about the dream when he awoke. Sometime afterward the angel appeared to him again, recalled to him the memory of the former visit, and then asked him if the vision had occurred while Sennadius was awake or during sleep. Sennadius replied, 'During sleep.' 'Just so,' said the angel. 'What you saw and heard was not by your bodily senses then, for your eyes and ears were closed in sleep.' 'True,' said the physician. 'Then,' continued the angel, 'with what eyes did you see, and with what ears did you hear?' Sennadius could not answer. The angel said, 'It must be evident, if you see when your bodily eyes are shut and hear when your bodily ears are closed in sleep, that you must have other eyes and ears beside those of your material body. When, therefore, your body sleeps, that other something may be awake. When your body dies, that other something may live on.' " ********************* Can you understand that? That's crystal clear again. If you can't figure this out nor understand this, there is definitely something awfully wrong with your computer. By the way, this famous dream was found by my good friend Mr. Mark Gerard Miller who also posts here occasionaly. Thank you, Mark. So, my dear Dreamer Friends, "YES", we have a dual nature and that is evident and easy to see. Let me strenghten your convictions with a few other dreams of Familiars and just watch and listen attentively... to the messages of these... Posted by BJ October 12,1998 at 05:31:38: My late sister-in-law, who passed away after a very short illness in 1992 came to me in a dream, she looked young and happy, dressed in a short,dress. We were near a large clear swimming pool, and she was smilling but only aknowledged me briefly. She was a wonderfull, kind person and looked very happy in the dream. I have studied dream interpretation in South Africa, where I onced lived both Spiritually and Psychologicaly. I understand the happiness and youthfulness, but the family that she left behind has disintergrated into nothing, nothing, with her husband disregarding his children and his parents. Why did she look so happy with all the suffering that is apparent. Kind Regards BJ In Love and Peace. ----------------- ...and I wrote to him to say among other things... ...and as you may have noticed Sir, by the swimming pool, you were not in your material body (which was sound asleep in the bed) when you were with your nice sister-in-law in her spiritual resurrection body in which she has carried on existing since decorporation... and in that dream, the most interesting for you Sir is to realise the obvious fact that you were of the same nature as her!!! Surprising!!! Hey? Great! Yes! Super!! Now, Sir, I am forwarding you some funny material, just the way it is written, because actually it is very enriching, which will explain to you everything about our dual natures and you will know everything about this wonderful "miraculous transformation"... "Grasping the True nature of dreams, May I train myself in the clear Light of the Miraculous Transformation." (Bardo Thodol) In other words, Sir B, be my Guest... and Cheers! to your Rewarded and by now Immortal Sister-in-Law! How beautiful she must have been? ------------------------- Oh! Boy, I would have liked to be in that dream and because I would have certainly played with her a little. ;) Anyhow, check this most revealing "recurring" shortie here... -----Original Message----- From: D Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 11:25 PM Subject: recurring dream My boyfriend's sister keeps having this dream of her deceased great-grandmother, who past away when she was about two years old. In the dream her great-grandmother keeps telling her she loves her. Any suggestions as to what this means? ------------------- Well that's very simple your Great-GrandMother has been with you all that time and she loves you... forever Love. So amazing what love can do. Anyways, here are a few from Nutcracker... I had gone home to attend my class reunion. I had bought some stuff to take back with me when I left and my father-in-law (who died two weeks prior to this dream) told me I could use his wife's car to take the stuff home if I wanted. (8/8/96) #496 (father-in-law) =========================================== NOTE: Gerald, just thought you might like to know this little tidbit. In 1983 my brother's first born daughter died while on vacation (there was a leak from a gas refrigerator). My brother and his wife almost died at the time as well. Anyway, at the funeral, my uncle Red (who has since passed on), said he saw Jessie's ghost. She came up to him and told him that she was ok and not to cry for her. He was the one who found their bodies after my brother's dog (a German Shepherd) came and got him. My uncle lived nearby and knew that something must be wrong for the dog to show up by himself. Jessie was 18 months old at the time. ========================================= I went to visit my uncle Red and my aunt Betty. They had a guest. They were about to eat when I interrupted them. I discovered this when I spied 3 plates of food on a table outside the back window; three plates with baked perch, corn on the cob and coleslaw. I knew I should leave. Then I noticed there were three plates of food inside as well. I told my uncle I liked perch too, only deep fried. He offered to make it for me sometime. (2/15/98) # F&F/Three (uncle Red) .................. My mom was visiting and I was showing her around the neighborhood. We ran into a neighbor lady who said, 'I'm so glad you're here. There's someone I want you to meet.' I knew what she was up to (trying to fix up my mom and her brother). She introduced me to her brother. He seemed a little too pleased to meet me. I hope she had told him what she was up to. She went on, 'And this is her mother.' They seemed to hit it off very well (mom and her brother). I guess they made an ok couple. He was wearing khaki pants and a powder blue knit shirt. He wore black rimmed glasses and had thinning black hair. Mom's hair was mostly white in the back and her bangs were auburn. (6/5/95) (my mom) .................. My good friend Nutcracker has too many... she must have sent me about 50 and among all and this one is one of my favourites... My dad is driving a bus. I and another person are sitting atop two(vertical) telephone poles on the bus. We're out in the country and we stop. Now my dad is carrying us as we sit on the poles. The poles begin to tip over and we fall to the ground, but no one is hurt. (1995) (dad) Wow! A real Communication Driving Tour of the Departed... :) By the way, I know of a woman who is not on the Net and has some twice a week. Anyhow, look at these also kind recurring and modifying ones here... Continuous Dreams Posted by pam on April 06, 1998 at 15:12:03: On Saturday nite, I had a dream that involved me, another female (couldn't tell the identity) and my younger brother (who died at the age of 16 back in 1977). In this dream, we were sitting at a table and he was distributing some type of papers to us. I wasn't paying attention to the papers, as I was in awe of how much he had grown since I last saw him. He was a grown man in this dream. I've had several encounters and dreams with him in the past 21 years, but they've all been where he's the same size and age as he was when he died. Can anyone tell me what this series mean and/or if they are even related to one another? ................. Yes! of course, they all relate to each other... because Ghosts of the Deads are immortal and sometimes they scare people who are afraid of ghosts for some stupid reason or another ... like in the case of this Lady Jo "Millenium Babe" in a message to me... Did have one thing to add...a dream that I actually remembered....happened a couple of days ago, and although I don't remember what the whole point of it was, it's more who was in it....there were two people I know who have just recently suffered personal losses of their spouse, I remember being at the house of one of them and both were there. Then all of a sudden I was on a train trying to sleep in a bed and I felt someone's arms around me holding me tight and I looked over and it was my adopted Mother. She was alive but already dead. She smiled at me, but I tore from her grip and was terrified. Then it ended. ................... How funny! Myself, I laugh with Ghosts and it's always a great feeling to see old friends whom we thought that we may never see again... and to apease our sorrows they come and reassure us...anyways, the following one is from my friend BOz from Istanbul... 1) I'm in a car, in the right seat. My former boss, who had died at the age of 32 in 1990, is driving. We hit a street lamp and I'm thrown out of the wind shield and start rolling down a steep hill. It gets steeper every moment and at the end is a cliff. Just before falling down, I manage to stop. Next moment, I'm in a cave. There is narrow tunnel which seems lead outside. Someone, throws a rope and calls me. As they pull me the tunnel gets narrower and I get stuck. I find myself saying "This is going to end in England !". As it gets harder to breath, I wake up. The tunnel squeezing me reminded me of birth and I had just had a car crash which was driven by someone dead. Who knows, maybe it was the end of a life and the beginning of a new one, probably this one. ---------------------------- ... thank you B, but never let a Ghost drive a car... they are lousy drivers... and the following is one from his Auntie... Date May 13th, 1997 My note: My aunt's father and father in-law both died last year. July and December, respectively. In her dream she is coming home and knows that two people have looked for her. She sees these two people in the garden who are very tall and "different looking". They have left her a package with the following note: "Tell her that Joe Ashtar has left this, she'll understand." Next, she sees these two people on the elevator and they now look like her father and father in-law. Together with them is another man whom she knows in real life and has died some time ago. She opens the package when she is home to find a triangular shaped diamond with a silver seal inside the diamond. ------------------------------- Yes! Auntie Johnnie this is a most magical "eternal diamond" present that your father and father-law left for you... and here is a beautiful one of my lady friend Mrs. RR... To: "Gerald D'Aoust" Subject: returns gerald, my mother used to tease me when i would tell her I was afraid of the dark and that somebody would get me. she always said they would let me go when it got light. my dream 3 days after my mother passed on. i dreamt that i was on a long highway and i kept running away from different people. they would hurt me so i jumped into a car and took off. when i would put the brakes on ,the car would turn over on the side of the road. i was pulled out of the car and i saw a flat top building and it had huge windows in it. i climbed in the window and found myself in a room with all kinds of sick people in bed. I started crying and this little lady came and took my hand and told me to follow her . she said she would show me the way out. i could not see her face and i am really not sure it was a female. she started walking toward a bright light at the end of a long hall, i could not keep up with her, i screamed "mother, don't leave me!" she turned and came back to me . she smiled and said to me "don't worry dear you have your nose." she took her index finger and her thumb and made a circle and put it around my nose. and once again she said" you have your nose." i then woke up to find i was crying with joy. i really was tired for i had kept my mother at home until she passed, and i really did miss her. it was as if she had come to tell me everything would be o.k. take care dear one and get back to me soon, becca ps i am wide awake see what naps can do for you. oh well, just a ripple in the pond. i will get back on schedule tomorrow. love to you, thanks for lending your ear. -------------------------- Oh! Thank you so much Becca... for such a tenderloving... "I'll be with you forever!" dream. So, you see, my dear dreaming Friends... you can use your nose, you can use your flair, your intuition and you will see that they have not left us. After death only the Ghost Body of a person remains of a person... "Thy material body liveth in Dedu Nif-Urtet (Earthly Plane) and thy "khu" soulbody liveth in Heaven each day." ("The Book of the Dead", by Budge, London, 1938, page 666.) ==================== "Thou shalt exist for longer than a million million years, an era of millions." (Book of the Dead Chapter 175.) ...and you well know just like me that the skin suit doesn't last millions of years because it tends to rot when the soul leaves. So wonderful, you know, "Immortality", when you know what it means and here are some of my own equally "smashing" dreams of the departed... and to be honest with you, I have dreamt of ALL my friends and relatives who passed away without any exeptions and quite a few at several occasions... Well, last fall, I dreamt of them both of my Paternal Grand-Parents... and while my Grandma (sitting in her couch)...complaining... was also wondering where her husband was... and asked me to do an investigation to see where he was. So, I went... and at a certain moment I entered the lounge of an Inside Mall or something like that and I was in between the two sets of doors which you normally find at the entrance. Suddenly, someone, who came to me from behind, "tapped" on my left shoulder... so, I turned around and shook hand with my Grand-Father... who said to me laughing... "Hey! Gerald, your Investigation did not take too long!" "Geewiz! Grand-Pa, nice to see you... Hey! you look really good." ...it is true, he looked great... and we talked a little and at a certain moment he swiftly grabbed me a the throat with his index and thumb on my jugulars... and it was choking me!!! So, I pushed him away saying something like... "Hey! you old crazy fool, what the hell do you think that you're doing?" And do you know what he replied? ... because this is really good, he said... "I am only checking to see if you are ALIVE! " Can you imagine something like this? Being asked by a Dead Person...if I am alive? Wow! What a Punch! Paf!! He also added... "Why don't you do like me and go out to meet the people... look at all them nice women... bla...bla..." :) So, I decided on that day, to wake up and go and meet the people...so, I went out to buy a computer on credit... some 2 years ago... and had to learn how to operate it and began interpreting dreams in public about a year and half ago. With my other Grandma, she is also having a greater time on the other side than she had in real life. She was in a dream along with my own Mother...Claire, who is alive as of today... and who is her own daughter... and in the dream both were preparing me to go to school as if I was going to school. Anyways, my Grandma, was wearing a pink jogging suit along with running shoes... which was kind of funny because during her earthly life as a farmer's wife was always dressed in conservative types of practical one piece dresses... but in the dream she was in prime shape... and cooking hamburger patties on the BBQ inside the kitchen at my Mom's actual place. She was cooking them... for my lunch... a couple dozens of them patties on which she was writing with "Mayonnaise", with one of the plastic sqeezer, different answers to questions for my examinations which were going to be held at school. However, the problem was that during the cooking the mayonnaise was melting on the patties and I could not read anymore the answers she had written... but she told me, with a big smile in total assurance, as she was piling them in my school back pack... in which kids normally put books... "Don't you worry, because these answers will naturally come out...in due time as you will eat them!" ...and when I woke up, I remembered a passage from Nostradamus who said... "The word of the occult prophecy will be in my stomach interclosed!!!" --------------- Anyways, like I said, I had several of these dreams but one of the best remains a strange communal dream where I and 2 other persons had the SAME Dream of the EXACT SAME Departed during the SAME night.... Actually, communal dreaming is another interesting phenomena which can easily dissociate imagination from dream reality is the known to exist oneiric phenomena of communal dreaming which was an activity performed with immense interest by different civilisations, namely the celts, ameridians and early muslims and christians for example, who would gather in some places and all sleep together like a bunch of friendly pigs... and I experienced at a few occasions this type of dream... of which the following story is one... Some thirteen years ago, during a cold winter night in Yukon, where I was prospecting for gold, we were living in a wood cabin right in the forest and the snow was deep and you needed at least a strong 4X4 pick-up to come up to our settlement. At the time, I was with my girlfriend and there was another guy by the name of MD with us. During the night I had the following dream... "We, Michel, my girlfriend and I, were sitting at the table, apparently discussing when, a car drove up to our place during the night... something which was totally impossible. At first, we saw it's headlights... and then, as it got real close to the cabin, it made a 3 point turn and turned around as if it was going to head back from where it came from... and stopped. This is when I recognised that it was, from the tail lights, a 1966? Chevrolet and then as someone opened the door of the car we saw the inside light for a second... and then that someone came to the door of our cabin and knocked. Then Michel, got up to open the door and this young and good looking guy walked in and said in french something like "Good Night! Everybody!" and then pointing his finger at me said... "We're coming to get you for posterity!" Imagine my surprise, because I did not know the guy." Anyways, when we woke up... I told to my friends that I had a dream in which a car drove up to the cabin and that a guy came to the door... and without having the time to say anything else, my girlfriend said that she had also dreamt of the same thing too and Michel added that he also had dreamt the exact same thing and that he was the one who got up and opened the door... and I said that, the guy who had walked in, I did not know, and so was it for my girlfriend but, Michel replied that the guy he knew well and that he was Jimmy Stanyard, who used to be his best friend who got killed in an accident and in that Chevrolet car, perhaps ten years earlier or something like that!!! Allah! Kabum! Can you imagine the surprise?! Woah! So, how could 3 people imagine exactly the same dream in one night, if dreams are part of imagination? Good question, hey? Sacrebleu, how flagrantly evident. Now, check this last one here, of Lady SH's Cousin Visitation... August 1998... I am in some kind of place like a garage or something.. however the location isn't as important as the players... I lost a cousin about 20 years ago from a hunting accident.... in this particular dream... he has been granted a 3 day visit from heaven and he is with me ... I pester him with a bunch of questions but he always seems too busy to answer them ... so I just stopped him in the middle of doing something.. and said... "Okay... at least tell me just this one thing... can you see us down here ... up there?"... and he turned to me and said quite pointedly.... "The question should really be... why can't you see us?"... That is all I remember and then I woke up.... ========================================= Well, my dear Susan, that's plenty for me because that's the main question... Why can't you see them? The reason is awfully simple... our Teachers in this department of the language of the soul, the priests and psychologists, are full of shit. :) So, finally, for tonight, my dear Dreamers, my little questions are... 1- Can you realise the fact that people remain after death in the Dream Ghostly Body? 2- Can you realise that it is a known fact that all dreamers occasionaly dream of departed people once in a while? 3- Why can't you recognise the fact that the Deads remain alive? Can't you see them in your dreams? 4- Or would you rather wish to pretend the contrary and prefer to believe that you are all crazy and simply imaginating things...? 5- Would you like me to explain the difference between blind uninspired jungian crap and truthful divine knowledge instructed in dreams? In any case, I'll soon be back with more data for you all to contemplate... with dreams of famous departed people... some of recently Departed ones as well as others who have been dead for several centuries!! Anyways, those who have some grey cells which are operating and are seriously interested in knowing more about the other realm into which we go after death... and from where we can also come back from in a future life... I can supply immediately about 500k of material to anyone in quest of the truth about the Secrets of the Mysteries of Dreams. Feel free and most welcomed to ask Dr. Deus for more info on the Greatest Science of All... at... gdaoust@icrdl.net ..."Ask and ye shall be given... search and ye shall find." The answers in dreams. Sincerely, Dr.Deus "Thou shalt understand that it is a Science most profitable, and passing all other sciences, for to learn to die. .... I shall give thee the Mystery of this Doctrine; the which shall profit thee greatly to the beginning of Ghostly Health, and to a stable fundament of all virtues." (Orologium Sapientiae - from "The Book of the Craft of Dying" ...Comper's Edition) == Commentary by Heratheta on Funeral Dreams/Comments (981112) == nice to hear someone else talk about dreams as other realities and also that they are death. perhaps it was when i realized the death part that death became to me less final and more spiritually alive. regarding father death drm-avoid "surprise" & find peace to the right of parent's bedroom. see also www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ ** Dream: "Fancy Meeting You Here" by Nutcracker (981114)** A group of us had gone out to a bar for some entertainment (all former classmates). My best friend, Barb, owned the bar, which had been left to her by her father when he died. Her mother also joined us, though she disapproved of Barb keeping and operating the bar. She wanted Barb to become a writer instead. I didn't see why she couldn't do both. We were all drinking, dancing and having a good time. Barb sat down to talk with her mom about the situation, when suddenly her mom said, 'Don't sit in that chair. Your father's sitting there.' I guess she could see his ghost, though none of us could. I was dancing with another girl (it was a fast song) as there was a shortage of men to dance with. We were having a blast. Finally, we were the only two left dancing as everyone else sat and watched us. Meanwhile, Barb had gotten up to take care of some business and then went back to finish her talk with her mother. Before she could sit down, I jokingly yelled out, 'Don't sit on your dad.' I thought it was funny, but nobody else laughed. I hate it when people can't take a joke. (11/14/98) F&F Comments by Nutcracker: In real life, both of Barb's parents are dead (and no, she doesn't own a bar, she's worked for the same company for nearly 30 years), so my question is (to whomever wishes to respond), why in the dream then, does one parent appear alive and the other dead? Nutcracker == Commentary by Heratheta on Fancy & Departed Dreams (981120) == nutcracker dream indicated peace from "funny" had lain to the right of the bar. as to the question about death, who's name in this dream was "funny"; the death of all of us is out there, c'est vrai, though for some of us it is coalescing faster than for others. thus, the dream has many ages in itself. it is then a matter of whether you chose to take on these ages or let the dead bury the dead. as for dr. d's perspective, it wasn't as easy to find buried under all his references as nutcracker's hatred , merci. ========================================== ========================================== AGGRESSION [By us or against us- crossing others paths] ALIENS [Visitors or visited - creatures from other dimensions] AMUSEMENT PARK [A place to relax and enjoy, another reality] ANGELS [Visitors from Spiritual dimensions] ANIMALS [Basic Instincts] BATHROOMS [Maintenance, Cleansing and Elimination] BELONGING [What we are associated with or wish we were] BOOKS (Extensions of our memory and imagination, our permanent records) BRIDGES [How we get across an obstacle or go from here to there] CELEBRITIES [The well known - famous and infamous] CLOTHING [What we wear tells us about ourselves and the events we participate in] COMEDY [With an accent on puns, funny situations or jokes] COMMUNICATIONS [From telepathic to devices to signs & symbols] COMPUTERS [Extensions of our minds, mind tools, communication] CULTS [Somewhere out there ...] DIRECTIONS [Ever stop and ask for directions? North, South, East, West, up, down, ahead, behind, straight, turn, right, left, make a circle, cross, go through, open, close, mix, add, boil, cook, simmer, but most of all - follow these instructions carefully...and don't be shy about asking someone else down the path, except, of course, for the Big Bad Wolf!!!] == Commentary by Heratheta on Various Dreams(981112)== 11/4 hillary drm-avoid "allowing" & find peace to the right of the railroad 11/2 stan drm-avoid "expecting" & find peace to the right of trip to the senate meeting kiss drm-avoid"one" & find peace to the right of the point 10/30 atm drm-avoid "awful" & find peace to the right of the atm machine 10/29 teeth drm-avoid making "afraid" & find peace to the right of the dinner site meat locker drm-avoid "ok" & find peace to the right of the locker thanks to those patient dreamers who were expecting replies by heratheta. if you have been reading my replies over this past year you know that the geography of dreams is as important to me as their personality. responding to dreamers while not knowing where their message is coming from geographically is risky business for me as risky as going to work at the same location every day knowing some days it is into the teeth of my dream. but, risky also is not having money to pay bills. i enjoy talking about dreams but have limited myself recently to answering ed-core communications when the west is open to me. i live east of san francisco in chicago my night's dream was in the south from me so i now write replies to ed-core. i know it has been a long time since i have written and that i used to write when my dreams were to the north or south but since i realized that spending time to the right of the dream is most optimum for me to be of any help to myself & others it would particularly be less than optimum to write at another time unless i knew where geographically in relation to chicago at least a dreamer was writing so i could write more often. still, what i base my replies on is graciously published in Electric DREAMS and at DREAMGATE.COM. (see) www.dreamgate.com./dream/dubetz/ until which way we communicate again, heratheta DISCOVERY [New insights and unexpected developments] DREAMING [Dreams about dreaming] ** Dream: goodnight kiss by raindrop (981031) ** I have been seeing a really great guy for about 3 months now, and last night we went out. When it was time for me to go home, he walked me outside and gave me a goodnight kiss. We exchanged a few words, very briefly, and then I turned and got in my car and drove off. When I went to sleep, I had a dream of what happened. I can't remember eactly what we said to each other. But at one point i think i told him that I loved him. We haven't told each other that yet, and if we did, that would be a very big step in our relationship. Now that i'm awake. I can't remember if I really did tell him that last night, or if it was only in my dream. Comments by Dreamer: I think that I really do love him, but I can't tell him yet. If i did tell him that, and it wasn't just in my dream, I will be very embarrassed, because he didn't say anything back to me when I said it. How can I be sure that I didn't say that in real life? == Commentary by Bob K.on Goodnight Kiss == Edgar Cayce worked with dreams quite intensively in his life. One of his beliefs was that dreams come to us in some degree anticipating events, problems, and resolutions to problems in our lives. What does the dreamer want to happen in real life? To paraphrase a famous quote from Jesus: To dreams what is dreams, and to waking reality was is waking realities - the money of one kingdom does not work well in the other. Freud was proud of his discovery that dreams were the fullfillment of wishes and desires. In this dream, the very open desire is to speak, but the dreamer is so concerned with rejection, that fear and self doubt reign. My son once wrote a cartoon for Valentine's Day when he was around 9 years old. A boy asked a girl to be his girlfriend. She said no. He asked another girl to be his girlfriend. She said yes. They lived happily ever after. If only life were so simple! Yet, the story points out he simple truth that we need to move on with our lives and not treat every relationship with possible romantic partners as if it will be the only one in our life. DRUGS [Healing or Hurting?] EATING [Getting nourishment for maintenance, growth and pleasure] ELEVATORS [Going UP or DOWN - Push the right button or else...] ESCAPE [Get me outta here!!!] EVENTS [The activity defines or dominates the story - a convergence of people at a place and time for a special purpose] EYES [The organs of sight...the window to the soul...] FEAR [What scares us] ** Dream: Stay away from ATM by DC (981029) ** I had two horrible dreams last night and I would like to know if they Mean anything. The first dream was that my best friends boyfriend died In a car wreck. The second was that my fiance' was murdered at an atm And I was standing on the other side of the atm and I could hear him Talking to someone and then I heard this awful sound then ran around to The other side and he was lying there in a puddle of blood. I was calm At first then when it came time to call everyone I started crying like a Baby then he woke me up and when he asked what was wrong I couldn't tell Him and now I am feeling disturbed. I even told him not to go anywhere Today , especially to an atm, and stay at work. Does this mean anything Or is it just a dream. I am going to school to be a polysomnographic Technologist but nothing in any of my text books or anything I have Learned tells me the answer. Please respond and let me know. Thanks and have a great day DC ** Dream: Bloody Sunday--Kendalyn (981110) ** I would really love to hear some comments about this. It's driving me crazy and it's scary and it's important. There's a really prevalent symbol of blood and it's weird. My boyfriend and I are in his room. It's raining outside. We're talking and I look out the window and the rain turns into blood. The blood rain starts coming down harder. My boyfriend is talking to me and he starts drooling. A lot. And than his drool turns into blood. There is blood pourning out of this mouth and it's raining harder and harder. The blood rain starts flooding and is coming in the windows and through the floor. I start crying and my tears are blood. And I keep crying until I wake up. I'm usually crying when I wake up. I have this dream at least 3 times a week. Let me know if you know anything about it's meaning. FOOD [The source of our physical nourishment] FIRE [Flames bring light, heat and destruction/transformation] FLYING [Confidence, Power, Freedom & Perspective] GIFTS [Offerings to or from others] HOBBIES [Our interests and desires]- COLLECTING THINGS HOLIDAYS [Time off to ...] HOSPITAL [A place for treatment, healing and repair] ** Dream: "Clinical Communication" by Chris (981115)** Note: dreamer requests that the email be left with the text chris@dreamscreen.com I think I am in a hospital setting, well I am sure of it in a little while. For now all I recall is that I am having a discussion with someone, a man, about being a murderer. I tell this man that I am a murderer and that I have killed several people. I do not discuss the details of the crimes. I feel like I am bragging about being "murderer". The man, whom I do not know in the waking world, maintains a calm, almost bored, look as I speak of my crimes. Now I know I am in a hospital. I think before, talking with the man, that he and I might have been outside of a hospital room, looking in. I am now standing beside the bed of a man. I can't see the man with whom I was speaking previously and I don't really feel like he is here. It seems to be just the man in the hospital bed and me. This guy is in bad shape. I don't really see much of him because of the bandages that cover most of his body. What isn't covered with bandages is covered by the bed linen. I have a pair of virtual reality goggles. These are pretty futuristic looking. In fact they are closer to looking like glasses than actual goggles. Their lense (one smooth piece across the front, shaped to accommodate one's nose) has a slight blue tint to it. I don't see any wires leading from the glasses, but I know that they are VR glasses, and that they are the only way to communicate with the man in the bed. I begin to put them on so that I can communicate with this man. There is much more to this dream, however the many hours of waking life since this morning have eroded my memories. I can only find the slightest fragments and images. Something about pairs (of people?), maybe finding the right pair, definitely something about an important search of some kind. I feel, more than see or remember, something about being someone else, or maybe just taking on the external appearance of someone else (a disguise?). Well that's all I can dredge up for now. Comments by Dreamer: Faced with major career decision currently. HOUSE [Where our lives take place] ** Dream: jamies house by ? (981116) ** this is a little bit about who the people are. Jamie is a friend of mine from work. she was engaged to the guy dale who had a couple of kids (about 13 years old) and they broke up because of them. Jamie lives in an apartment made from an old house. now my dream: I was at jamies house it was a whole house in my dream, but it was not jamies actual house i have never seen this one before. anyway i was by myself waiting for her and looking through her house all the bedrooms were empty except for hers there were 3 beds in there and that was all the house i saw except the kitchen i was in there making myself spagetti ohs when a girl about thirteen walks in i've never seen her before don't even know her name and we begin talking i ask when jamie will be home she says she doesn't know then we start discussing the house she says it's for sale i ask how much she says about $78,000 dollars it has 4 bedrooms and is in very good condition for how old it is then we start discussing where i used to live i say in a trailer park (which is true) then i show her a map of the trailer park and where i was on the map (the map is not of the actual trailer park i used to live) but for some reason we end up there i don't know how but we are walking around the trailer park talking as if she were the older one she had deep insight about life and how it should be i don't remember the exact conversation but then my dream just jumps ahead to me talking to my husband about this great house i saw that was for sale in our price range and how many bedrooms it has right as we were in the middle of this dicussion we end up standing in the house and a realator pops up and says it only has three bedrooms (I think it was a realator) and hes not sure he wants an older house then I wake up. Comment by Dreamer: I got chills up my spine when writing about the thirteen year old girl i wish i knew what this dream meant. Whatever anyone has to say is fine. HOTELS [Temporary Dwelling or Special Event location] JOURNEYS [Missions away from our home base -explorations] LOST [Disorientation or abandonment] LOTTERY DREAMS [Sudden Wealth - Randomness favors the dreamer] LOVE [All around us, yet so hard to find and keep] LUCID DREAMING [Knowing you are Dreaming when you are Dreaming] MEMORY [Remembering ...In dreams we often struggle with the issue of memories and remembering a dream which by definition involves the process of recollection.] MIRRORS [Reflection of Self] MUSIC [Melodies of the land within] (See Music Lessons in SCHOOL THEMES) NUDITY [What you see is what you get] PERFORMERS [Entertainers] PROBLEMS [Situations or difficulties sometimes present choices] POLITICAL SCENE [Public issues through positions of power] RELATIONSHIPS [Other parts of ourselves including family which constitutes the first and earliest of our relationships, often influencing how we relate to the outside world] (If you didn't read X and The Past in REPETITIVE DREAMS, they are about the theme of dealing with past romantic relationships) RELIGIOUS RELATED [The Ritual and the Spiritual] ROMANCE [Thrills and Chills, lost in another] SCHOOL THEMES [Learning and learning related trials] (Check out NURules in the REPETITIVE DREAMS section) SOLUTIONS [The answers to problems or quandaries] STAIRS [Bridges between levels, between the upper and the lower] STRANGERS [Who and what we don't know yet] TEETH [Ok, losing teeth is one of the top ten dreams people have questions on. Theories on what they mean range all over the spectrum of possibilities.] ** Dream: Crumbling Teeth by ? (981028) ** Dream Title Crumbling Teeth Date of Dream 10/27/98 Both myself and a co-worker have had a dream in which we were attending an important social dinner. In the middle of the event, we felt our teeth begin to crumble in our mouths in the middle of dinner! We couldn't speak when questioned because we were afraid tooth pieces would fall out of our mouth and embarass us. If this is a common dream, what does it mean? TORNADOS [Pretty well defined destructive power of nature] ** Dream: storm maiden by stan kulikowski ii (981031) ** [Note/: stan requests his name and address be kept with the dream - rcw] DATE : 31 oct 1998 07:25 DREAM : storm maiden =( a friday, i did not get home from teaching until almost 20:00. since my first class starts at 11:00, i was tired and hungry from the straight through lectures all day. i fixed myself some dinner by 22:00 and watched some mindless television with my mother until about midnight. fell to sleep rather easily. )= i find myself in the third floor apartment where sheila and i never lived, but she is long gone these many years and i am still here, entertaining a few friends whenever they stop by. today i am just leaving, locking the deadbolt and going down the painted wooden stairs. i am expected at the last meeting of the faculty senate. when i get there, i take a seat at the end of the long table in the board room. it is august and although this faculty meeting is usually cancelled, the outgoing chair, jay gould, has called together a short meeting anyway. he has forgotten to pass on the gavel to the new chairman elect and wants to give this a little ceremony. there are only three other faculty present and they take seats near me. at the far end, sits jay and mister constable, my high school english teacher. mister constable is amazingly fat, dressed up now in academic robes, a somber swatch shiny black satin stretched over his extended abdomen, decorated with a few colored medals and ribbons of scholarly awards. doctor gould is similarly dressed, but the few of us gathered at the other end of the table are dressed in normal street clothes. "i would like to thank you all for coming out to this last meeting." begins jay, peering around at the meager attendance in nearly empty room. "i wanted to congratulate the man who will succeed me and give him this token of our esteem. i hope he will always perform as well as the propellers on this instrument." he hands mister constable a gift wrapped object. tearing off the paper, it is a brass barometer, all shiny metal and glass. mister constable seems to be quite touched with the gift. he stands and sputters a bit until he recovers his wits. "this is very touching that you would think of me this way, and i shall do everything in my power to live up to your expectations." usually the departing chair is given gifts by the incoming officer elect, but jay has reversed that custom. there being no other business, and no quorum to conduct it, we quickly adjourn and leave the administrative building. outside in the parking lot, i am talking with a few friends before leaving. there is no hurry to be anywhere today. as i am preparing to leave, mister constable comes up to me. he has left his academic robes behind, now dressed in his white long sleeved shirt, starched but never too clean. he is still carrying the barometer, obviously pleased with it. "stan," he calls to me. "i just had the brakes rebuilt on my car and i need someone to help me get them adjusted." i agree to go with him to his car in the next lot. mister constable's car is a sports car, some model i do not recognize, but it is a little larger than most, having a full backseat, but still smaller than most regular cars. i am surprised that such a huge man as my english teacher would choose to drive a car smaller than normal. it is, however, worn and slightly rusted around the edges. the cloth top tattered and dull. i get in the back seat, brushing aside empty paper drink cups and take out containers form numerous fast food stops. the messy interior is in keeping with my expectations of his glandular lifestyle. the center console between the bucket seats has been taken out, exposing the linkages of the gear shift and emergency brake. the brake is a mechanical affair with steel cables and rachet gears. i am told that he has to drive the car is reverse very fast, and that the brake mechanism gets clicked up into proper tension after a few stops. since mister constable has to drive barkwards for a long while and occasionally clicking the brake, he asks me to keep a look out the rear window and shout if he steers too close to the edge of the road. the car starts up and he starts backing out really fast, then braking hard to stop. we quickly run out space in the parking lot and take to back country roads. these roads lead up a steep woodland hill. apparently, the extra energy needed to back up the steep hill road is better to get the brake tightened up. the car makes a zzz-zzz noise as we speed up then brake, speed up then brake, over and over again. once in a while i see mister ronstable steer over too close to the edge of the road and i have to tell him which direction to counter steer back into his lane. one time, i see the road drop off a couple hundred feet beyond the edge of the pavement which we have dangerously close. after a while, the brakes are as tight as they need to be, so mister constable stops one last time and then can drive on in forward gears. we see andy mcerlean standing beside the woodland road and offer him a ride. he gets in the right side front seat. "hello, stan. how have you been?" he asks me. we drive to the top of the present hill, coming out into flat treeless area. as mister ronstable parks the car to take a moment to enjoy the view of the valley, i see the barometer on the dashboard is pointing heavily into the red zone marked 'storm'. although we are still in a patch of sunshine, down in the river valley below us i see boiling dark storm clouds rolling quickly. that is a tornado pattern, i think to myself, excited to see this again. several masses of the swirling clouds point downward in conical shape, but they do not get organized into the funnel shape. i keep looking for the twister. down the valley goes a jittery wave of dark objects, like bubbles but with a heavy appearance. that is the storm's harbingers, i think. i do not really know what these harbingers mean, but it is committed now to funnel formation. ah, there it is. i see a white gray finger poke down from the cloud mass to the valley below. it moves is slow stately progress compared to the quick rush that harbingers took. i watch as it moves down the valley, throwing hardwood trees about like matches. then, suddenly, the end of the tornado lifts up off the ground like a crooked finger and bounces quickly around like a severed tentacle. its violent jumping action is no longer the linear progress it makes when attached to the ground, but flails about. suddenly, what was a spectacle to be viewed far away is coming straight for us, sitting on the hill top. before i can do more than startle at its approach, the roaring funnel comes straight down over the car. the ragged cloth top of the convertible strains to be free to go with the wind. as the edges of the funnel cloud come down to the earth surrounding the car, i see the long white legs of a woman come down past the window of the car on andy's side. her feet touch the ground just after the raging funnel blocks out all surrounding us. this white woman, maybe four meters tall, stoops down to look into the car. there is a breathless silence, like there is no air in the center of the funnel to carry the sounds of the nearby destruction. this woman of the storm is beautiful to look on, nearly naked with only wisps of cloud material swirling about her, affording little glimpses of her cold marble white flesh. she looks firm and solid although the wispy material about her seems to rush out of her skin. when her face approaches the side of the car, the glass near andy's head shatters and is sucked outward into the storm. strangely there is little if any sound of this in the airless silence as she leans closer. i get a good look at her face which has a clean chiseled look of greek goddesses. but her eyes have small lightning bolts crackling inside in place of pupils. her white hair is a riot of motion. "aw roc no mar wa mor ra" she says when her mouth opens. i can not understand a word she says, apparently in some strange language. her voice, awesome to hear, strangely cuts through the enforced silence with a slight echo. "mar den di wa for mor ra" she says. i still make no sense of her speech. she reaches into the car with both hands and takes andy by the shoulders. apparently her intention is to take him with her. for the first time, i notice that andy and mister constable have passed out with the lack of air. i myself am struggling to remain awake even though i feel the adrenalin surging in my blood. andy's seat belt is preventing him from being sucked out into storm. she reaches down to undo the buckle. i hear a tearing sound as part of the cloth top gives way and the whole car shakes violently, being lifted a little way off the ground and dropped back. "no," i yell at her. "you can not have him." i throw myself up into the front seats, holding andy to his seat. i am careless of contact with her, she draws back as if noticing me for the first time. the storm maiden seems amused that someone is still conscious to interact with her. "i will leave your friend for you." she says directly to me, this time choosing to use clear english that blasts too loud in my ears. "but expect me to come again, this time for you and there will be no choice for you then." strangely, this does not sound so much like a threat but something of a promise. she smiles and her unnatural beauty is so magnetic that i want to go with her right now. you can not stare into the face of a being like this and keep free will. i am helpless to do anything further. she laughs at my plight, and a row of inhuman pointed teeth show from her parted dead white lips. her eyes crackle in silent sparks. the storm maiden looks upward in a slow deliberate movement. with a loud swoosh the tornado is sucked upward back into the clouds. she is gone just before the swirling curtain of debris is withdrawn. the car settles back the ground with a thump. it is over. sunshine comes flooding back from blue skies behind the receding storm front. this sudden return to peaceful nature almost screams upon the nerves. heart beating fast, trying to catch my breath, and all around is just sunlight and rain water quietly dripping off leaves like nothing much has happened. uncaring nature just hanging out after we humans were almost obliterated forever. there is no justice in the universe, only cause and effect. when mister constable and andy come back awake, i do not tell them of the storm maiden. indeed, as the air returns and my consciousness contracts to normal i begin to wonder if those experiences were induced by want of oxygen in the airless center of the storm. we all know we barely survived a disaster. the car starts up and we drive off in shocked silence. later, back in my apartment andy's wife, toby, comes to join us as they tell her of our contact with the weather. she starts to pour a glass of ice tea from the pitcher i have out on the table. "let me fix you some coffee" i tell her. i know i do not make coffee up to andy's standards but it will have to do. =( i wake a little after 07:00, still sluggish with sleep. it takes me a while to shake off the sleepiness and sit up to write this dream in the log. mister constable was a high school english teacher, while andy and toby are friends i have met here in pensacola. the console of my camaro is torn apart like the one this dream, parking mechanics exposed after i replaced the clutch with a friend. the terrain for this dream looked like massachusetts. the details of this dream were not difficult to recall. )= stankuli@gulf.net === qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit | | who not is today, tomorrow less suitable will be --- -- Ovid _Remedia Amoris_ i 94 TRAPPED [Temporarily helpless- Sometimes we are paralyzed or imprisoned by jobs, relationships or expectations] ** Dream: "Confused & Trapped" by ? (981028) ** Dream Title Confused & Trapped Date of Dream 10-18-98 3:13am I woke up inside a meat locker. It was freezing and dark. There are slabs of meat hanging everywhere. I began running around trying to keep warm and sreach for away out. All I had to wear was a pair of shorts, a T-shirt and I was bare foot. I thought ok maybe I need to cut the meat, then I could go. So, I looked around for something to cut with. There was nothing, the place was empty. The meat and I were all that exsisted. I keep running because it was to cold and I thought I would freeze if I did. It seemed has if hours or days had went by. I finally could not run anymore I was to tired to continue on. So, I laid and went to sleep. Comments by Dreamer: The only comment is that when I woke up after the dream I was very cold. VEHICLES [Means of transportation, reflection of lifestyle] ** Dream: Crazy Night-taylor (981109) ** Date of Dream Nov.1997? I was out for the night with some friends, and I remember four of us leaving to go to another location. We rode on some kind of moter-cycle that was hinged in the middle, and the four of us rode togather. I feel that I knew two of the people I was with, but the forth who was on the far back I didn't know. I was very irritated with him, he kept moving around alot and the driver had to strugle to keep balance. The driver eventually lost balance just before we arrived at a very small town with tall pine trees growing next to it. As we drifted from the road, I was thrown from the cycle, and began to float through the tops of the pines trees, I remember not feeling any pain from the sharp needles as I passed through them. I almost felt myself land, and just as I would have, I saw a very bright light that blinded me, and I held up my arms to hide from it. I felt as though I died. The next thing I remember is laying at the bottom of a swimming pool, and someone I feel I know is sitting at the other end on the edge. As I lift my head up through the water, the pool transforms into my bed, and the person disappears. By the time I am sitting up in bed, I am fully awake, and everything from the dream is gone except my vivid memory of it. Comments by Dreamer: I felt everything in the dream and thought that I was really experiencing it while it was happening, I didn't feel any pain at all. - I've talked with only a few people about this dream, and they all have said that they have never heard of anything like this dream, I've refused to ride on a motor cycle ever since. WATER [A magical earthly fluid, nourishment, cleansing] WORKPLACE [Where we make a living] WRITING & WRITERS [Communication and creativity] = = = = = = = = = = = == DREAM SERIES == Commentary by Dr.Deus on Head of State Funeral Dream for Night Sky! (981110) == Dear Night Sky, In reply to your request... "I wonder if anyone else has had a similar type dream." ...following your most remarquable dream... ... I may have a dream of interest for you? > >where am I? by LisaAL 1998/11/08 -- >I had this dream that I was floating and I was in a church. It was a church I was never in before and I saw a coffin with the american flag draped over it. > >I have a lot of psychic dreams that usually come true in 2 to 4 days but this one has not. What is the meaning? > Time will tell in which category it fell. Thank you for you posting your dream. Dr. Deus ** Dreams: Dreams of Ghosts of the Departed! (Continued) (981111) ** Dear Dreamers, here are more dreams which don't need a genius to interpret the meaning. As stated in "My Father's Funeral"... everybody knows that the Defuncts come and say hello once in a while... >After my father died all my family said that they >felt my father would come to me in a dream to let us know that he was okay. ... and take a serious look at the following... again most instructive dreams and theories. ------------------------ "But you're dead!" Posted by Foxy as Shakiya on July 14, 1998 at 03:55:26: beastwithin@cymax.com I'd like to share with you a dream of a series I had about a dear friend of mine who died in a horrible car crash in December of 1994. I was visiting the town I grew up in. I went, as I always did, to a friend's house to visit. There were lots of people there, some of which I knew others who I didn't. The mood was happy and everybody had a good time visting with each other. I walked around a bit to take it all in. Suddenly Michael (my friend) came out of nowhere, and greeted me with a smile. I was so happy to see him, and was opening my mouth to say something, until a realization hit me. All I could manage to say, was... "But you're dead!". He smiled at me and shook his head, he then said in a calm and soothing voice: "No, I'm not really dead. I'm very much alive." I was astonished. After getting over the initial shock, we talked for a long time. The other people in the dream, who observed us talking together, acted like there was nothing out of place, as if I was the only one who KNEW that Michael had ever died that horrible night. To me the dream always meant nothing more than wishful thinking. I missed him a lot, and wished that he didn't have to die so early in his life (he was a year older than me). But as I learn more, it seems that maybe there's another message hidden in it... F as S ----------------------------------- Goodday! Foxy, the following dream which is a follow-up to yours is perhaps the last one in which I had the same reaction as you. It happened a few days after my paternal side uncle Clarence died and went like this... There was this big ugly fish on the lawn of the property where I was born and although it was not dead, but it had begun to smell bad... and I was charged of taking it back to the river or something... so, I went the farm of my dead uncle to see if I could borrow a wagon to carry that big fish. So, once there, I knocked at the front door, and I immediately recognised his big bear like hairy forearm through the door's window and he opened smiling and looked radiant and in excellent heath, although he been found dead on the floor of his kitchen in the same house, possibly a week before... and aware of this, my first words were... "Hey! Clarence, everybody think you're dead!"... and his reply was... "Don't worry about that and come with me, I'd like to show you something." So, I followed him to the basement of his house and he was happy to show me that he was having the best time in the world playing with the two best dogs that he ever had which were named Togo and Ringo, who had died years before... and I guess that they were the two best friends that he ever had. So, when this type of dream occured to me for the first time, my reaction was exactly like yours and the words which came out of my mouth... the very exact same. Gérald ------------------------------------------- Here is another one of mine... Nancy (Nov.96) I had a dream in which I met Nancy G a departed girl-friend who died about the same time as John Lennon. We were in what appeared to be an underground university student lounge in the late evening. I saw her coming down the stairs, looking beautiful and wearing this red maternity blouse and black stretchy pants. When she was next to me, I put my hand on her pregnant belly and was surprised because Nancy did not have any children in her mortal life. Anyways, she presented me to a couple of anglophone persons who at the end were giving me 250,000$ but the bank notes were pink like the canadian 1000$ bills, but instead of bird's they had "Wolves" on them... and it was the girl friend of this good, tall and smart guy who had this money right in her purse. They wanted me to make a movie out of it. ------------------------------------- Anyways, also another category of Dreams of the Departed are the more famous Defunct Celebrities which we also meet at occasions... For example, here is one from Nutcracker who has too many... :) I met Gianni Versace as he was out for a walk. He was wearing white pants and a white shirt. The terrain consisted of miles of gently rolling hills made up of sidewalks and green grass. He took my hand in his and smiled, but never spoke a word to me. (8/3/97) #472 Celebs (Gianni Versace) ------------------------------------------- The following one is about myself with crazy John Candy which I sent Linda M. at Casey Flyer... John Candy (Oct.97) During the night of the 22nd to 23rd... I had this dream in which I was the captain of a 50 feet long black and white inshore steel hull tramp.... doing some barter on both shores of a large river.... and the funny thing is that I had a financial partner who was the deceased comedian actor John Candy, but in this dream his name was Omer Philippe Ouellet... as I saw him sign some paperform. It was funny, because he seriously told me that we would do "la Relanche des Oranches"...which is an improper way to pronounce both names... some funny play of words.... mind you that he was a comedian... and showing me some large wooden crates of oranges. -------------------------- Here is a funny one about Elvis... Elvis Presley is teaching me how to drive! Posted by Jennifer on June 28, 1997 at 23:06:29: I'm in San Francisco, in my mom's white Mitsubishi Montero and Elvis is going to teach me how to drive. I park on a hill (uphill) so we can get out and switch to his small, green convertible. To me, the most important thing is getting his autograph, but he won't give it to me because we're friends and he thinks that would be stupid. When we get out, his girlfriend is there and I'm jealous of her. She wants his autograph too, but he won't give it to her either. Before we all get into his convertible, he takes off his shirt (green, I might add) and throws it in the back seat of my mom's car and I think I've got something better than an autograph and I hope that his girlfriend doesn't notice and try to take it away. That's all I remember! ----------------- Lucky You, Jennifer, if you were able to get a free piece of tail. :) We don't catch AIDS in dreams. :) And now this dream of Victoria which I interpreted many months ago, but no one dared to comment. ;) Dream of Michael Hutchence of INXS VQ Subject: "She'll be apples" dream Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 "During the late afternoon, I was walking with my around our orchard full of apple trees laden with ripe fruit. We were staying in the country, at my father's "estate". The saxophone player from INXS was with us for the evening meal. He seemed a sad man who didn't know his own value. We were all avoiding the issue of Michael Hutchence, whose ghost I could see behind him." ... and talking about that... perhaps some of you would like to hear Michael K. Hutchence, the lead singer of the world reknowned group, who wasted himself on November 27th 1997... "Hey! Michael, you, Most Inspired Australian, how about a few jingles like "Don't Lose Your Head"... "I'm Just A Man"..."Searching"... "Everything" and "Show Me"... "Girl of Fire" and "Shake The Tree" from your last and rather prophetic album "Elegantly Wasted"??!! ===================== Yah! What a glorious way to Elegantly Waste Yourself? Now, check the following where a Ghost of a Dead beats the shit out of the Ghost of a Living. :) Bruce Lee fighting with Chuck Norris!! Subject: My Dream of Chuck Norris Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 18:39:47 -0700 Dream Title My Dream of Chuck Norris Date of Dream 7-4-98 11p.m. Dream One night I had two dreams of Chuck Norris. In the first dream we were chasing each other around with a hose. We were under a large tree going around. It was a very happy time and the sun was shining and the birds were signing. Chuck had one a blue shirt. I don't remeber anything eles of this dream. I dream of Chuck often and I am a big admirer of him. In my second dream that night, Chuck was in a fight with Bruce Lee. Bruce knocked Chuck to the floor and took a bag of rice out of my fridge and chocked Chuck to death. As Chuck was dying I held his hand telling him not to die and to use my strenht to get though it. He looked at me and then died. I would like to know what these dreams mean. They are the two I most think of and wounder what they may mean. I thank you for your time. The following has to be a real landmark and again my interpretation did not raise any comment... as if people cannot understand any english? I'll try again in Japanese tomorrow... :) TITLE: ONE FOR THE ROAD PEN NAME: THE BLUE ROSE I sitting in my dining room with a few band members from Mr. Sinatra's band. We were just hanging out and chatting, when we heard Frank singing "The Lady is a Tramp" as he walked into the room. He was wearing a royal blue shirt made from a shiny material, tight fitting around his body, black tailored pants. The shirt was unbuttoned halfway down, and he really looked relaxed. He appeared to be in his mid 40's, and he looked so healthy. His eyes against his shirt were bright and lucid. As he sang, he telepathically began to speak to us, saying that he was so appreciative of all of the accolades since his death, and he stayed down a little longer to watch. By the time he stood in front of me, the song was over and he looked and (also telepathically) said to me, I guess it's about time to leave. He picked up his coat and put it on, smiling. I was mentally told him how much I'd miss him, and as he was about to (verbally) reply to me, the alarm rang and I woke up. I can't help but wonder what he was about to say. Boy! What a good dream. Hey! Rose where can I kiss you. ;) =========================== Now some enlightened theories considered silly by uninspired Jungians. Theory in Job 33, about ghostly restauration to youth stage... Job 33 discusses this dream phenomenon of the Afterlife, known as the Resurrection of the Deads... "His flesh wastes away to nothing, and his bones, once hidden now stick out. His soul draws near to the grave and his life to the Messengers of Death." (33, 21-22) "Yet if there is an angel on his side as an "Interpreter"(of dreams), one out of a thousand, to tell a man what is right for him, to be gracious to him and say, "Spare him, from going down to the grave; I have found a ransom for him." ...then his flesh his renewed like a child's; it is RESTORED AS IN THE DAYS OF HIS YOUTH. "He prays to God and finds favor with him, he sees God's face with joy; he is restored by God to his righteous state." "Then he comes to men and says,... "He redeemed my soul from going down in the grave, and I will live to enjoy the light." "God does all these things to a man...once, twice, thrice..., to turn his soul from the grave, that the light of life may shine on him." "Pay attention, Job, and listen to me; be silent and I will speak. If you have anything to say, answer me; speak up, for I want you to be cleared. But if not, then listen to me; be silent and I will teach you wisdom." -------------------------------- 1 Corinthians 15 Imperishable Celestial Resurrection Bodies again in... 1 Corinthians 15,35 to 15,55... "But someone may ask, " How are the Dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?" "How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies." "So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable... it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body." "So, it is written: "The first man Adam, was a living being, and the last Adam, a life-giving Spirit." The spiritual did not come first, but the natural did, and after that the spiritual. The first man was from the dust of the earth, the second man from Heaven." "I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God...." "Listen, I tell you a Mystery: We will not all sleep, (...some will awake...) but we will all be changed - in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." "For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed." "When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that was written will come true : "Death has been swallowed up in Victory!" =========================== And dreams reveal that Ghostly Resurrection Bodies last forever as in the following one, courtesy of Dreamthread... Dream of the Week of 11 January, 1998 The Ramadan Dream During the holy month of Ramadan, I was awake and praying during a very holy night behind the Imam and several lines of people in my wheelchair. Suddenly while I am totally awake I saw the following, (as a vision): I came foreward and took the place of the Imam and he took my place in the prayer. I am seeing myself as a completly healthy person performing the prayer. I was leading the prayer with several hundreds of people. In front of my face was the holy almighty Allah Chair. Light is coming out from that place only and all other things are darker. The chair is suspended in air. On my front left side I saw winged angels. They all looked like giants. The Prophet Mohammed is coming under the Almighty chair from my right back side. I, looking very happy, stopped Mohammed, asking him to ask the God to forgive me if I did any thing bad and asked Him for guidance to win the heavens. He smiled and tapped on my shoulder and asked me to do it myself, speaking directly to the Almighty. He pointed out that Allah can hear me and see me and that He will do it. As for the guidance, He told me to read the Koran more and stick to prayers. Dreamers comments: I felt at that time very happy and excited and same time that this was virtual dream. Whenever I concentrate at prayer, I see myself praying under the same almighty chair. This gives me a great, unexplainable feeling. I think of Allah in the greatest ways always. And I feel he gave gave me great abilities and can't thank him enough. But he has revealed to me hints at that dream. That it can be a power to help others, but still I don't know exactly how. I feel my disability is blessing in disguise and that I can help myself and others. =========================== Don't you find interesting to see that this disabled guy in wheelchair has a perfect Resurrection body and that Mohammed is still alive some 1366 years after his death in 632 AD? Regardless, even if can't relate nor understand anything of this... still try to pay attention to the following most hilarious dream... of Robin Hood. :) =========================== LIFE after Death Posted by kay ... at Tiger's Nest, on August 09, 1997 at 18:58:13: In my dream it was discovered that the dead had awareness after their death. It was also discovered that the dead could be reanimated (move, talk, think, feel-but no heartbeat).The first to be reanimated was a 5 yr old girl.Trouble is, the walking dead tend to "age" or decompose. So while the girl's family was happy to be reunited, eventually she "faded away" for-ever. This convinces most of the dead to stay in their nice, safe coffins. While they have no desire to mix with the living, they do demand access to the internet for entertainment...(i dont EVEN know what to think about what THAT means!) Anyway, one dead guy decides he wants to try living. He's from the 1500's, avg ht/wt, brwn hair/blue eyes, above avg attractive. He's dressed somewhat like Robin Hood. He's negotiating with a modern day prostitute (some things never change-even after death!)..It's been over 400 years and he's a little "tense." She is average, in a pink halter top & black mini skirt & she had some sort of "joy buzzer" strapped to her ankle. He offers her $2 (a fair price in his day) & she accepts it to my surprise. Up til now, I'm just observing. Now, I'm feeling a little left out. The guy is attractive to me, by the way. As they leave to "conduct business", she slaps the joybuzzer on her ankle & a bolt of electricity hits him. It jump starts his heart & suddenly he's totally alive-heartbeat, warm to the touch, etc). He grabs my hand & we leave the hooker & are walking arm in arm down a tree lined road. He's smiling & telling me how great it is to be alive. Suddenly he pulls me to one side, to a flower cart & buys some red wildflowers. I'm scared that the flowers will lure him back to the grave (funerals being filled with flowers & all that)... That's it...now for the personal stuff. Mostly I was observing in the dream except for the last bit. I wasnt scared at all of the dead people. I did feel jealous during the hooker scene & happy when we were walking. Couldnt recognize anyone in the dream. That's all. ------------------ That's plenty Kay, and what a most wonderful dream... in which the ghosts want to entertain the livings... >While they have no desire to mix >with the living, they do demand access to the internet for >entertainment...(i dont EVEN know what to think about what THAT means!) ... and even if nobody wants to let them express themselves, I will try to give them that chance...anyone else interested? :) Regardless... Hey! Take a look at this following one... Gift from Mary Posted by stephanie on April 15, 1998 at 22:07:13: I had a dream which had two parts- in between I woke up very upset - then I went back to sleep and dreamt part two. Part one was like a wake up call .After awhile (and much help from my husband I fell back asleep and dreamt this: I went to a large temple/church where I saw a vision of Mary in blue and gold. She was like the statues of a goddess in ancient Greece and Rome. As I got closer I saw a shining coin in the palm of her right hand. She held it out for me to take. I took it and I stepped back. When I looked up next her face zoomed in very close and she nodded twice and blinked twice to me. I thought she must have given me a gift and perhaps will help me? I just don't know what the gift of a coin means. If anyone has any ideas I would really appreciate reading them. ----------------------------------- Hey! Stephanie, why don't you go and buy yourself some Candy... at the Museum in Candy in Greece. Ask Richard... or even Jesus who has been trying to speak to many people lately... as in the following dream of Nutcracker again... I was in high school (a student). I was trying to find my next class. I wandered into a room, but this one had all upper classmen in it, this can't be my class. The room is not square, but more L shaped. I recognize a few faces (one is D.R. who committed suicide shortly after graduating). I leave through the back door. I wander the halls until I find the room I'm supposed to be in (right as the last bell rings). The teacher (I don't know if it's a history or music class) takes me to the library. There he instructs my friend Gail and me to write a paper on Hoover (Herbert, I'm assuming). He goes and picks out some books on the subject and makes us choose one. Gail picks the thinnest book (it has a red cover and is about 10 pages long). I say, "Don't they have any damn dam books (meaning on Hoover Dam)". I did find one in the selection he had brought us. It was about 30 pages long and had a worn/torn yellow jacket. I choose that book and he leaves us. While I'm in the library, I keep noticing this guy, but I can't make out (see) his face (his face is visible, but I can't focus on it). He's wearing blue jeans, a dark & medium purple striped t-shirt. He has long brown hair; straight, clean, thick and shiny. It has a slight 'flip' at the ends. Now the third time I look at him, to see who it is exactly, I can see his face. He reminds me of Jesus, without the beard. His skin is clear and smooth. He's about 35-40 years old. He's holding up a 3' x 4' sheet of white construction paper (a sign). The sign has approximately 10 dozen words on it. Words we're supposed to know the meaning of (memorize). (4/2/98) ======================== So, Jesus is still alive and would like us to study and try to memorize a few things... and here is the "one-eyed" Odin coming out of "Mimir"... the Fountain of Knowledge...at the foot of the Giant Tree "Yggdrasil" as dreamt by Mrs.BN from Sweden... Dream 3. >I sat in front of a desk, behind sat a man in an jacket, an scientist. He asked me if the light was organic or tertiary. I said organic after much thinking. Then he let me out in another time, the middle ages. The street was paving in pattern. In a house lived a man that worshipped the sun and inside the city was an big well, in middle of the well was a fountain. People threw in things or themselves into the water, so occasionally was the water just mud. A man climbed up from the well and he wear out the right eye since it was rotten. Then he began to discuss its experiences. ========================= Wonderful, Odin, and come again... and here is Gautama Buddha... (2,500+ years old)... in a dream which unfortunately was of absolutely no consequence. What a shame? :) From:(Ione) Subject: Buddha Baby Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:15:35 -0500 I am teaching a writing and art workshop with women- while they are busy with an assignment, I have leisure time and go upstairs in my house. I find there Tody, a health care worker who has surprisingly had a baby. The baby is very beautiful and in an ornate gold carved box. She tells me that the baby is afraid. But as I look at the baby, I don't think so. I feel it is very peaceful. "Its a Buddha Baby! I declare. THen I find myself walking outback, going down a sloping hill. At one point I look up and am amazed to see the vibrant, glowing top of a glistening gold and white mountain. "Come look, Come look! ", I cry, calling to my right to my partner up in the house, sensing that she is coming to see. Then, I spot something high in the sky to my left, a dot. There is a shift, and suddenly it is closer, whirling toward, me, so close I can see what it is. It is, to my astonishment a brightly colored green and pink box of the cereal, LUCKY CHARMS. IO ------------------------------- Regardless, even if some people cannot understand the clearest messages of childest dreams to interpret, here is another dream of Barbro, in which we can observe a ghost which could be as much as 25,000 years old!!! Dream, Y. 31 august - 1987 "I saw an Indian chief that was painted in different colors, yellow, blue and red. The chief and one more person danced round and round. The Indian chief should go to the worlds of spirits and finally he rode away on a winged white horse, very calmly and gentle he took off from the ground and thereafter he was gone. The chief said nothing during the dream. He had an axe in his hand." ------------------------------- And this Indian Chief on the Winged-Horse, dear Dreamers, was no one else than the very world famous Horseshaman, Wakan Tanka, the Father, the Creator of the Universe... and here is the Creation of the World according to a little passage from a book entitled, "Dreams - Visions of the Night" by David Coxhead and Susan Hiller, published in 1976 by The Crossroad Publishing Company, NY, NY...extracted from p.3, which, knowing your increased interest of shamanism, originates from the Uitoto Indians of Colombia... ""In the beginning, the Word gave origin to the Father. "A phantasm, nothing else existed in the beginning; the Father touched an illusion, he grasped something mysterious. Nothing existed. Through the agency of a dream our Father Nai-mu-ena (He who is, or has, a dream) kept the mirage of his body, and he pondered long and thought deeply. Nothing existed, not even a stick to support his vision: our Father attached the illusion to the thread of a dream and kept it by the aid of his breath. He sounded to reach the bottom of the appearance, but there was nothing. Nothing existed. Then the Father again investigated the bottom of the mystery. He tied the empty illusion to the dream thread and spread the magical substance upon it. Then with the aid of his dream he held it like a wisp of raw cotton. Then he seized the mirage bottom and stamped upon it repeatedly, sitting down at last on his dreamed earth." In this myth, which is a psychic and spiritual reality for the Uitoto Indians... "the Creation of the World is achieved through the action of a Dream."" "The world begins: it begins as a dream of Nai-mu-ena in South America, and as dream of Brahma in the mythology of India." (Same book next page.) ============================= Thank you Wakan Tanka and here is a most fuunny dream of Fu-Ssi... the Legendary and Immortal First Emperor of China... From: h Date: Sunday, October 04, 1998 4:48 PM Subject: "The Two Popes" I was in a classroom. I was teaching the class and I had handed papers, one to each of them. Like a test or something. Then I realized that I had handed out different tests to each of them. More like, the test was five pages and I had handed out only single pages. So now I had to find out who was missing the other four pages. But I was really lazy. I decided to let them take only one page of the test and I would worry about it later. There was a girl in the class who I was attracted to, but as teacher I tried to act professional. She stood up and ran over and kissed me on the cheek. Obviously she knew how I felt about her, and I could feel myself blushing a little, but the class didn't hoot or holler or even seem to notice. I went away to let them take their test. In the hallway was Pope John Paul II. I wasn't at all surprised to see him there. In fact, most of the time I was in a state of apathy about everything. I would say that my mind was far away, but more accurately, my mind was nowhere. It seemed the Pope and I were friends. He was dressed in his usual all white robes. There was another pope there, more of the appearance of a chinese emperor. I decided I had to give this pope also my respects. I went up to him and got down on one knee and said, "Your grace" (I think) and held out my hand to kiss his ring. He held out his hand also but took it away before I could take it. Obviously, this pope did not think himself to be human. I stood up, embarassed, as this had happened in front of the whole class. I left to go back to Pope John. At least he had enough sense to realize that he was a human and not a god. But John had moved. I went outside to find him and instead found someone named Michael. He had curly greying hair, almost white. He was rather large, as in overweight. We were sitting in an open field. When I turned around to ask him how he wanted to help me, but he was all of a sudden about a hundred feet from me, in much the same sitting position. I turned back around to face east. Across a large field was a church, only small and flat. It did not at all look like a church. I somehow understood that John and a large number of clergy had crossed this field to go to the church. It was a very large field and they were no longer in view. Obviously, it was not their "home" church. I wanted to follow them to see if they needed my help, but I wasn't at all sure how I could possibly help them. In my weakened condition, how could I help to save my religion from the new anti-pope? Oh! what a wonderful dream again... and what a clear message. When you believe in a stupid church like the Christian one...and in the teachings of mere mortals who don't know nothing about dreams... you get nowhere... in your mental weakness (ignorance). Well, anyways, I certainly hope that a few of you will have been able to learn a little from these simple and most revealing dreams... and can see the Realm where you will go after material decorporation... and what will happen to you after death. In any cases, tomorrow, I will show with the aid of another category of Dreams of the Deads... which are the Transfiguration Dreams or Dreams of Ghosts of Past Lives... how we can come back out of the Spiritual Realm... "Except a Man be Reborn, he cannot see the Kingdom of God." John 3,5 ...and You shall all see the true meaning of the Words in Revelation 1,5, in regards to... "The First-Born from the Deads". Pay attention to your dreams... for, they are the best Teachers! 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