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Electric Dreams
Volume 3 Issue #5
21 June 1996
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Download a Cover for Electric Dreams 3(5)! Jesse Reklaw
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CONTENTS:
- Editors' Notes
- Question Airing Forum - Victoria Quinton
- FRED OLSEN INTERVIEW by Victoria Quinton
- Article: Please fix it!! by Eulalia
- Electric Dreams and Cover Art - J Reklaw
- Selections from _Your Secret Self_ by T. Marks
A. DREAMWORK QUESTIONNAIRE - Tracy Marks
B. And Example of CREATIVE DREAMWORK - Tracy Marks
- DreamWave: The Gold in Dross - Timothy Tate
- Dream Inspired poetry by Kirk Colvin
- Communal Magic: A Special Invitation To Dream
(Sponsored by the Fly-By-Night Club)
G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S
-Updates: Association for the Study of Dreams
ASD Conference Update
Connect to the ASD Convention via Cyberspace
Regional Summer and Fall Conferences
-Understanding Your Dreams Seminar
-Consciousness: Dreaming and Waking
-Dreaming in Bali
-Working Together with Dreams
-D.r.e.a.m.s. Foundation to Open its Doors
-Dream Groups to Meet Weekly in Virginia
-Dreamgate re-Opens in its Own Domain
-Survey on the Novadreamer
-!!!! Dream Web Site Updates !!!!
-C A L E N D A R
Index To Dreams & Dream Commentary Sequence for EDv3n5
(Following the Title is the author and the date of the
dream/commentary or submission - in the format of
Year-Month-Day/YYMMDD)
COMMENTARY ON DREAMS FROM PREVIOUS ISSUES:
Commentary by Island on Jesse's "Untitled" by Shadow
(from ED V3N3)
Commentary on Just Ducky! (960217) by Island
Commentary on Haunted Houses (EDV3N3) by Island
Commentary on Santa Cruz Mountains (960302) by Island
Commentary on "Water, Rats, Deer and Me" (EDV3N3) by
Rosalie (960419)
NEW DREAMS:
Dream: "Aliens" by Nutcracker (960311)
Commentary on Aliens by SkyeT (960514)
Dream: "It's Cold But I Am Not" by Ken (960428)
Dream: "Night Terror" by Antonio (960502)
Dream: "Old Lady on a Motorcy" by Fast Wheels (960505).
Dream: Wargames by Ken (960503)
Dream: Kundalini by Ken (960504)
Dream: Samsara by Ken (960506)
Dream: My first lucid dream by KC (960513)
Dream: Tamil Neruda by Ken (960505)
Dream: "Tornado Dreams" by "S" (960513)
Dream: Grey Eyes by Anthony (960503
Commentary on Grey Eyes by Narcissus (960507)
Dream: "Three Strikes, You're Out" by Nutcracker
(960520)
Dream: ANIMAL ISLAND by SenSeneca (960512)
Dream: Breaking the Ice" by Anita (960422)
Dream: The Jazz Dream by Jesse (960422)
Commentary by Tom on "The Jazz Dream" WED note
Dream: TheRoof God and Uncle Joe by Shadow (960422)
Dream: An Arrow Out of Nowhere by Sherman (960521)
Commentary on "An Arrow Out of Nowhere" by BobC
(960526)
Dream: Snake Hater's Dream by fuzz (960529)
Dream: The Gnome of Depressive Death by metacog
(960603)
Dream: "The Night of the Biting Zombies " by
Peter (960605)
Dream: Leaf blowers and fast music by
Vorphalack (960605)
Dream: kittiwake by rob 2 (960611)
Dream: "Adult/Child" by Nutcracker (960603)
Dream: Alien & the Dimensional Door by Princess
Miyu (960614)
Dream: THE NOSELESS MAN WILL DIE NEXT WEEK by
Noreen (960511)
Dream: Up the Down Canyon: Lizard's Tail Spins
by Island (9407XX)
NUTCRACKER SUITE (on a different plane)
Adios!
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Editors Notes
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Today is the Solstice, a mid-point marker for
the globe and the I feel also for Electric Dreams.
Dream events and sites are coming online all over
the world and taking on a lot of the functions and
responsibilities that we at Electric Dreams have
been carrying over the last couple of years.
Thank goodness! We plan to support this in many
ways. Watch for upcoming issues and programs.
This is going to allow us to do what we do best,
to be a friendly swarm of mutant cyber-dreamers
that move through all the venues in the world and
on the Net, to explore, to experiment, to
interpret what is going on from our own
viewpoints, and then come back to share in the
form of dreams and dream related texts and
interactions.
(Oh, lord - not *another* paradigm shift!)
How will it be different? First of all, we
plan to *keep* whatever we like and what works.
Nothing is going to disappear, we are just adding
another level of interaction and a new set of
programs. Remember that Electric Dreams is not
*owned* by any one person or group. We all
contribute to make what we want, moving with the
desire in our hearts.
"Just as the strength of the Internet is chaos, so
the strength of our liberty depends upon the chaos
and cacophony of the unfettered speech the First
Amendment protects,"
Philadelphia Federal Judges Panel.
We will continue publishing dreams and comments on
the dreams. What will be different is that we are
becoming more active in protecting and supporting
your rights to share these dreams and comments. On
June 12, 1996: A Philadelphia federal court has
struck down a law today that would have
criminalized (US) constitutionally protected
speech on the Internet and other online forums
like our own. The consensus at Electric Dreams
seems to be to keep up this freedom of speech and
to explore what this means in terms of self-
governing. What parts of Electric Dreams are too
adult for small children? Should we rate
ourselves, and how, with what system? Do we need a
"Kiddie's Corner" or do we just make the whole
community off limits to minors? Send you
comments and opinions on this to Victoria Quinton
or post to the Electric Dreams Bulletin Board.
mermaid@daemon.apana.org.au
We are also planning to have more programs
available on dreams and dreaming for your
educational, spiritual and artistic pleasures. See
the questionnaire below in Global Dreaming News.
The Dream Groups have already begun to experiment
with new and different forms. To join a group or
get involved in the planning of the dream
programs, contact Chris Hicks
Shadow45@netonecom.net
Electric Dreams will continue to be a news and
dream colander source for international events,
but we will also be helping regional dream
networks to come online. You can help with this
project by sending in information about your
regional area. This may include your own dream
group meetings, bookstores with great dream
collections, seminars or talks being given in your
area, or TV & movie events involving dreams.
While we can't publish on the E-zine all the
regional events, we would like to make room on our
web site bulletin board for you. Post the events
there and send them via e-mail to Peggy Coats,
<pcoats@cruzio.com>
If you would like a more *Permanent* site for your
dream ideas, events or networks, you can simple
send that as a WEB page to our Electric Dreams
Webmaster, Matthew Parry
mettw@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au
We are moving into graphics and dreams. Do you
have pictures that go with your dreams? Would you
like to help design Electric Dream covers? While
we can't put these in the E-zine, we will make
them available on the WEB site. See the Article
below and contact Jesse Reklaw
reklaw@nonDairy.com
I'll have more on the new programs as the summer
of 1996 continues!
Many people at the Association for the Study of
Dreams Conference XIII will be reading this for
the first time. Hello and welcome! At the end of
the issue we have all sorts of good information
about how to contact the community and its
subscribers & programs. The Electric Dreams
community has been very influential in supporting
ASD and ASD -XIII. We have lent volunteers and
support at all levels, from the conference
committee to hauling boxes around the Claremont
hotel in Berkeley. We have added many new ASD
members and have been one of the reasons that ASD
XIII is the largest ASD conference in History. ASD
has been very foresighted and has funded and
allowed us to build a Computer and Internet
Education Program for the conference. Many thanks
to the ASD Board and other ASD supporters!
A couple of years ago Fred Olsen & I were
experimenting with using computers connected via
modems to do Dream Reentry. Now Fred has expanded
this project onto the Net. Be sure to read the
Interview by Victoria Quinton and visit Fred's
site at
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/reentry/reentry.htm
Also - you have a chance to be highly interactive
with the July 9-13th ASD conference. Be sure to
read the Communal Magic section and the Connect to
ASD via Cyberspace in the Global Dreaming News.
Mark your colander.
A few more contributions from our community:
Tracy Marks give some exercises from
_Your Secret Self_ , DreamWave offers new
information on their site, Victoria Quinton
addresses questions in the Airing Column and from
Barcelona, Eulalia offers part I of her article in
both English and Spanish and more.
And I'll let Bob tell you about the rest.
Keep dreamin' up a storm - Richard
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Editorial from BobK.
Hello there Dream seekers and Dream sharers.
Another issue of ELECTRIC DREAMS is here full of
dreams with a slant on Aliens and Death - the
truth is out there somewhere!. Thanks for the
feedback and comments. I would like to address
two particular issues that have been brought up:
1) size and 2) dream content organization.
The size of Electric Dreams has become a big
issue with those readers printing out the ezine on
a dot-matrix printer, low memory laser printer,
network printer, or borrowed printer (does
anyone still use the daisy-wheel printers?). Lots
of time, paper and ink, but specially lots of time
is a concern. How can we get around this issue?
We can limit the size of the ezine which is the
direction we are headed in, but it s really tricky
to balance the information sharing mission of
ELECTRIC DREAMS with the size complaints on this
freely distributed e-zine. We are trying to cut
on the size by referring readers to further
information on ED or other Web Sites. You should
see some progress in that direction with this
issue. However, I am sure that many of you like
ED precisely because of it s one-stop shopping
approach to dream information and sharing. Instead
of one publication, you will now need to access,
save and potentially print several.
A simple problem to address is the complaint
regarding reading the issues sent through E-mail.
We are currently sending them as ASCII text files
which can be read by any reading or Word
Processing program. The margins are kept around
60 characters to help being read by readers with
more limited capacity. Due to the need to be
available to readers with many programs or
platforms, the issues are not page numbered. This
is a mission impossible chore unless everyone has
the same program, so that the page breaks end up
in the exact same location for all. This limits
our indexing references. However, most text
readers and all Word Processors have a find
function which will scan through the document and
find a specific string of letters/numbers. Say you
want to find a dream mentioning Alien, then go
to the top of the document, select the find
function, enter the word ALIEN, hit return and
you will be taken to the first instance of the
word. Most programs will allow the search to be
case insensitive so it doesn t matter if it is
capitalized or not. A key identified in the help
file for your program will renew the search
without redefining what you are looking for.
In trying to assemble the Part A and Part B
of our E-mail mailings (done to cut on the mail
size), it is necessary to use a Word Processor
that has the capacity to read in a file bigger
than 64K. Notepad in Windows will not be able to
bring in a file that big, but most word processors
and text readers are limited by the memory on your
PC which is far greater than that of our issues
for most users nowadays. You open, read in or load
Part A, go to the end of the document, select the
read, load or open another file option, and add at
that spot Part B. Voila! You now have both parts
in one document. Select the Save As option and
give it a new unique name.
Next comes the printing. As I mentioned in
an earlier issue, there are many shareware
programs such as LJBOOK which will print out 4
pages (2 on each side of an 8 " by 11") on a
Laser Printer cutting down the amount of pages
used by approximately 75%. Similar programs will
do the same thing for a dot-matrix printer (the
most common were Epson and Okidata oriented
programs). A commercial Windows type program is
CLIKBOOK, which costs around $50 and sets up a
print driver under windows that will format your
document in a number of configurations including 4
pages per page very quickly and simply. They are
giving away limited demo versions if you are
interested in trying them out. The latest
versions of the big three PC Word Processors:
WORD, WORDPERFECT and WORDPRO (formerly AMIPRO)
can all print out with one of the predefined
templates in a 4 page/per printed page format.
This is done essentially by changing the font used
for the document to a very small one which enables
output in the desired pages per printed page
ratio. Some programs allow for even more pages
per printed page, but you start needing a
magnifying glass to read the print.
Another approach is to print out the document
a portion at a time, depending on the speed of
your printer. After the file is loaded up in the
text reader (for instance I use LIST) or Word
Processor, you highlight the area or define the
number of pages you want printed. You can do 2, 5
or 10 at a time for instance, that way avoiding a
lengthy tie up of the printer.
An other obvious alternative is to request
an already printed out version to be snail mailed
or provided by a friend who has already printed it
out. We are not offering this at this time as it
would add to expenses and cut into very limited
time resources. How many would be interested
though, and what would you be willing to pay for
shipping and handling related to such a service?
If you need more specifics on making reading
or printing out ED easier, E-mail me at
bobk829887@aol.com and I ll try to help out.
The second issue brought up is Dreams content
organization. Unless we are focusing on a
particular theme, the dreams are usually presented
roughly in a chronologic (as received) order
interspersed with commentary. A very constructive
suggestion was made that we categorize the dreams
so that readers may focus in on the type of dream
they are most attracted to. I was going to
implement that change for this issue, but found
myself with the very large task of labeling dreams
which almost all overlap several categories into
one category. Should it be by TIME (Present,
Past, Future oriented), ACTION, CHARACTERS (known-
family, friends or famous, or unknown), FEELINGS
(Sad, Happy, Puzzling), LOCATION (indoors,
outdoors), or ATTITUDE (from the spiritually heavy
to the mundane and commonplace)? The
categorization is easier said than done. I will
make an attempt next issue, but I see an approach
with KEYWORDS and grouping by the most obvious
element. The Keywords would appear under the
title and in the index section.
Hope you are enjoying the summer and find
this June issue ILLUMINATING! Sweet dreams and
much dream wisdom to all.
Hasta La Vista - Bob K.
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Victoria Quinton mermaid@daemon.apana.org.au
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Hello Everyone
Time again for the next Electric Dreams issue.
Thank you to those who have sent email to us all.
We have one suggestion to do a special on
"Children and Nightmares" in a future edition of
Electric Dreams. Thank you Rick Bouchard for that
one. If anyone has ideas for that - web sites for
example, please send them in.
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Unfortunately we haven't got this program in
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3. Would you be interested in a class in building
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4. Would you be interested in a group reading &
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5. What other dream related activities online
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If you would like to be on the committee that is
putting this project together, contact
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Other questions this month are:
Date: 96-05-29 15:48:34 EDT
From: lzajac@library.bhs.org (Zajac, Lisa
(Library))
I joined the list for a question - why do
some people dream exclusively in black & white;
others in black & white and sometimes in color;
while others dream exclusively in color. I was
told once what kind of person dreams exclusively
in color but can't remember. Any answers to this
question would be greatly appreciated.
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A few suggestions may be:
from: Ad Christiaensen The Netherlands. Europe.
Date: 06/06/96
There is a Dutch lady doing some research on that.
I think that her name isAda de Boer. I can tell
you more later. More-over, I was wondering what
will happen to the colour of people's dreams when
you put them some hours before they go to sleep in
a red, yellow etc. coloured (painted, illuminated
)room. Will that colour dominate the dream or
other colours, and how to relate it to the working
of rods and cones in the eye. Are they active
during color- dreaming or is only the cortex
active. How can we know ? I was wondering whether
evoked potentials from different colors of light
show a different (discriminating, discri-
minative, how do you say that?) pattern and if so,
if you can find that differences back in the EEG
of people whore port certain colors, dominating
their dream. Do people who became blind later in
their live, still dream in colour? I think
information on that does exist. Where on its way
to the cortex may problems in sight transmission
have arisen and how is that related to dreams. I
think some information exists but I am not quite
sure. (W. Kasatk in Leningrad, Russia. You can try
to find him. To my opinion his work is very
important and deserves attention and translation.
You may find more about him in a book by Henry
Gris &William Dick "The new Soviet Psychic
Discoveries" Prentice-Hall 1978. I possess some
articles from him in the Russian language, one
about blind people, as far as I know, but I do not
understand that language. They can besend if
neccesary (or ask mr. Stanley Krippner, if he
still has them. You may also be able to find more
about it if you work together with
eye-doctors(opthomologist?). Who knows you may
find correlations with tests of color-blindness
(some-one not able to see a certain color or
notable to see it well may also lack that color in
his/her dreams. Try to relate it to the theory and
cause of color-blindness. I do not know what
youwill find. May be some-one already did research
on that, but I do not know.I hope to tell you more
soon and are curious about what you are going
tofind. What is the reason of your interest? You
just want to know, or is it for study or some
purpose?If I remember well in the book of Hall &
v.d. Castle there is some mentionof colors in
dreams. I will find out. Wish you good results. Ad
Christiaensen.
Another suggestion on Black& White VS Color
Dreams. Richard Wilkerson
This is just off the cuff, and I don't know of
specific research to back it up, but I'd like to
mention three factors possibly effecting color in
dreams.
The first has to do with the physiological
difficulty of remembering dreams in general. This
seems to be, according to some, an adaptive
function. The theory is that animals can't (or
couldn't) distinguish very well between memory and
dream image. So while it *is* adaptive to keep the
large mammal brain oriented and charged
occasionally at night, it is *not* adaptive to
remember that specific charge or imagery. Cammie
the Cat dreams of chasing a mouse over a fence.
She wakes up and jumps over the fence...whoops,
there is Butch, a pit-bull.
And so we get around this as humans with
language. Our dialogue codes the dream imagery
between short and long term memory.
The closer to the REM period that the dream
seems to occur in we code it (re-tell it, think
about it, write it down,...) the stronger it is.
The further away from this the less details I
have. Smells and sounds and *Colors* seem to go
first.
There may be cultural factors as well, and
these could be tested and may have been. Men in
late 20th Century Capitalist societies tend to
focus on visuals, but not really colors. We make
jokes about his all the time.
Finally, I have a personal experience. I was
raised in the age of Black and White Television.
When I was young I remembered my dreams in grey
tones, like the black and white T.V. Now I
recall more color, because I'm focused on it.
I recommend a self test. I just put up a Web
site for Bob Hoss on Working with Dreams and
Color. I hypothesize that if we go to the site
and begin looking for the colors he has charted
out and working with them, we'll begin recalling
more color in our dreams.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/hoss
Enjoy -Richard
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At 02:58 PM 6/9/96 GMT, Maria_Monteiro@nhs.se
wrote:
I'm taking Cipramil, a drug very similar to Prozac
(just the same, except that the time for the body
to absorb and dispose of it is shorter). Shortly
after I started taking it, I began having dreams
unlike dreams I used to have very...how shall I
say... "cinematic" dreams on the one hand (like
they're an action or thriller movie plot), and
bizarre dreams with horror B-movie like characters
- monsters, organic matter, and so on. Also, I
could be much more violent in my dreams towards
people I have unresolved conflicts with - meaning,
my family - in reality. It came to a point where I
feared this wild unleashing of dreams and stopped
even trying to remember what I had dreamed of,
something I had so far done out of fascination for
the dreamworld and as some way to expand my
consciousness. My question is, is there any
chance, literature, evidence that Prozac and
compatibles provoke this sort of thing
ThanX for your consideration, Maria.
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Some suggestions:
Dreams and Drugs - see Yahoo index on Sleep and
Dreams - especially follow the melatonin links.
Also check out Sleepnet Web site & the alt.dreams
faq
Hi Victoria,
YES! I've definitely heard about Prozac and
similar re-uptake inhibitor drugs having that
effect. Maria (or you) might try browsing the
newsgroupsalt.dreams or alt.dreams.lucid -- I see
posts and threads all the time about this. I think
it has to do with the chemical purpose of the drug
-- since it counter acts depression, which
suppresses dreaming and dream recall, theresulting
contrast of dream imagery is intense.
Peg
I suggest you write to the experts. One of them is
Dr. Milton Kramer at the Cincinnati, OH Bethesda
Hospital Sleep lab and Psychiatric section. Kramer
has published hundreds of article on the effects
of dreams and drugs. I also believe that Ernest
Hartmann has done a lot of research with drugs and
dreams, you can find his bibliography online at
DreamGate Gopher.
gopher://gopher.igc.apc.org:70/11/orgs/iidcc
Look under Research Tools - Hartmann
You may also post the question to the ASD bulletin
board:
http://www.outreach.org/gmcc/asd
-Richard
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http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jonb/prosurv.html
Prozac Survivor's Support Group, Inc.
http://www.pharminfo.com/drugdb/proz_arc.html
sci.med.pharmacy Selected Archives: Prozac
(fluoxetine HCl) Threads
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Comment on Dream Line: THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT
AND OUR DREAMS
to shadow45@netonecom.net by Island
That was an excellent article, and I must say I
had never once thought of looking at any dreams in
the light of the environment. Your inclusion of
the dictionary definition helped a lot to focus my
attention on just how profound that word actually
is. My immediate association was to mine, and
other's bodies, and I wondered to myself how
people can care for the natural earth environment
more than the physical body is cared for. In other
words, the most immediate environment any one of
us must contend with is the physical body. That
aside, I then recalled a dream I had probably no
more than six years ago. It was a simple dream: My
husband and I re driving through Long Island at
what seems like a stretch of many miles through
winding roads, and suddenly, I am struck by trees
growing in forests straight and tall on the side
of the road. But one tree, among literally
thousands of trees, is so bent that the tip of it
touches the ground. I then awoke and literally
cried for several hours. Often I have been awed by
the magnitude of my reaction to that one dream and
have always believed that tree was symbolic of
something -- but what? Maybe, after all, the tree
signifies itself. Even one bent tree -- its
growth forced in an unnatural direction -- is an
occasion for tears. I am slowly, slowly becoming
sensitized to subjects like our environment, and I
feel like many, helpless to do anything about it,
except the little that I can. Over the last few
years, we have camped in many beautiful campsites
throughout the nation, and one in Canada, the most
beautiful site of all. My appreciation of the
native beauty of this country has increased a
hundredfold, even to the extent that I hope one
day we will simply live from site to site. Parc
Mauricie, about an hour north of Montreal, is one
such breathtaking site. You must drive 18 miles
through forests to reach a campground, and there
are several. The terrain seems to change
dramatically around every bend. We climbed to
waterfalls, carrying our canoes on our backs as we
hiked up a mountainside, and were not
disappointed. The peculiar thing is, while
camping, we went into a small restaurant off the
camping grounds and ate. The walls were littered
with photos of a horrible lumber camp. I say,
"horrible," because the photos were quite
distasteful. The land had been ravaged. But many
buildings we live in were built by that lumber.
Even the books we have read . . . so -- there's
always these tradeoffs. And it gets much too
complicated for me to think of, so I cannot dwell
on it. But when I asked what place those photos
represented, I was told that they were of Parc
Mauricie, just maybe ten years earlier. Fifteen
tops, if my memory serves me correctly. It did not
seem possible to me. Yet some enlightened
politician had seen to it that Parc Mauricie was
redeemed, for lack of a better word. I don't know
if much man made efforts were involved in that
restorative process. All I know is I had just
witnessed a miracle, to my mind. I believe that at
that point, my faith in the possibility of a
better direction for mankind was established.
Before I had no such faith.
Dreams may plant the hope of the future, but we
must nourish those seeds. For me, I need to
further nurture a sense of native awe of the land
just recently restored through camping ventures. I
love the land now. I wouldn't do anything
consciously to harm it. I'm hoping that, even the
littlest measures -- such as hope, faith, and love
of nature -- can go a very long way. Thank you for
your Dream Line on the environment, to continue to
keep me both sensitized and attuned to our
"environment."
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==Question on Allison Eir Jenks Moons' Dream
Poem==
Nice poem . . . What dream(s) inspired that one?
Island
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FRED OLSEN INTERVIEW
by Victoria Quinton
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FRED OLSEN INTERVIEW
VQ What is the Dream Reentry Healing Technique?
FO Dream Reentry Healing is a powerful and elegant
system, method and process that allows us to
access, track and reprogram the deep information
patterns in our mind-body system. I suggest that
it is a direct way to program in what I call the
basic natural language occurring at the
<soul-cell> level of the inner human information
system.
The Dream Reentry Healing (DRH) technique tracks
the natural layers, locus and linkages of images
and feelings in the body-mind. I call the basic
link the <soul-cell> connection. A dream, a
symptom or an emotional issue or feeling can be
the starting point to a reentry sequence. It does
not have
to start with a dream per se.
The root ideas for DRH is based on what Jung calls
the 'transcendent function, and active
imagination. I have expanded on these concepts
and practices in a very systematic and yet natural
way.
The DRH process is like an artist's or
archaeologists brush (using a simple analogy).
The tool is relatively simple, in many ways. It
is the application of the tool (or vehicle) that
is the artform allowing us to elegantly track and
transform, and even heal deep unconscious patterns
in the human system at the emotional, spiritual
and even the physical levels of our
being and body.
VQ Was it one of your own dreams that led you
to further "study" of dreams?
FO There are many layers to my response. Only in
looking far back in my early childhood did I find
what probably was a driving force for me to try to
delve deeper into unconscious dream space and
time. When the subject of dreams arose at the
family table, my mother always recounted a story
in which warning nightmares on three consecutive
nights led her to be very cautious as she walked
with my sister and I to and from the grocery
store. I was two at the time. She claimed that
these dreams saved our lives from a wild driver
who went out of control in his car, nearly missing
us all. A second factor was that we always had
incidences of my father sleep-walking. Although I
was not a vivid dreamer, like many of you, when I
came to the end of seeing a rational basis for
solving major personal and collective problems, I
was
drawn back to dreaming and the unconscious as a
source for vital spiritual, psychological and
physical information.
It was on a search for basic transformational
tools in human systems that led me finally to
explore the symbolic basis for our deepest life
issues. I wanted to know how the 'inner image'
was formed and transformed both individually and
in the collective psyche. I was not as concerned
with the question of meaning as with the process
of transformation. How are symbols formed and
transformed in human consciousness? That question
grabbed me.
VQ I read that you have been involved in
translations into and out of other languages. Has
that influenced the way you approach dreams?
After I had pretty well developed the basic DRH
approach, I realized that I could use the basic
process with people while I was blind to the
content of the dream or imagery. I could
facilitate a result without even knowing the
content. This felt very different from many
approaches to dreaming, where interpretation and
analysis depends on the content input from the
dream workers, therapist or guide. I thought it
was rather profound that a person could resolve a
physical symptom, for example, or achieve a deep
shift emotionally or spiritually in a very short
process that I was guiding when I didn't even have
to know the content.
I always get pleasure when I can work in a medium
that demonstrates that the results of a process of
healing or transformation are not dependent on
some magical gift in me but on the basic
principles and tools that allow any person to
access their own transformative resources. I was
in Russia for a
Dream Conference during the 1991 coup. I had the
opportunity to share my work with a group of
students and psychologists at St. Petersborg
University after the conference. I led the group
through translation in a DRH process.
A number of the participants reported results. I
also did a number of reentrys with individual
Russians trough translation. I once worked with a
Buddhist monk from China on a deep unresolved
conflict through translation.
It was fun to lead a session with you from one
server, through Richard's secondary transmission
across two net servers, to the other side of the
world and between dimensions of consciousness.
That felt like a first. It was a actually very
effective and efficient as far as I could tell.
You would be the best judge of that.
VQ How might dreaming be likened to elements of
chaos theory?
FO That is worth a whole paper and maybe a book of
its own. In the mathematics of chaos theory, you
plug a complex variable (Re + I) consisting of a
real (Re) and imaginary (I) number into a formula.
You take the solution and use it as the input
variable for the next calculation. The repeated
iteration of this loop reproduces a chaotic
function that has an amazing pattern. It has been
shown that these patterns are replicated in
natural systems. A simple fern, for example, can
be reproduced by a very specific iteration of a
particular complex number in a specific simple
geometric equation.
It occurred to me that a whole society may be
based on the fractilization of a primary set of
complex images rooted in mythical stories, i.e.
dreams of the culture. A creation story has built
into it a certain pattern, for example, that then
manifests in a particular societal formation. If
the underlying
fractile is flawed in some way, the culture that
flows from this flaw is then dysfunctional at its
root. I happen to believe this is true of Western
civilization.
Traditional dream interpretation, in which we use
a relatively static solution for a dream is like
solving the equation the first time for a complex
variable. DRH, in my opinion, retraces the
natural inner steps of the fractile through the
layers, locus and linkages back to points of
bifurcation. If the complex variable (real +
Imaginary) is an analog to our conscious and
imaginal realms of the psyche/soma, then by
retracing the steps
to the source of bifurcation allows us to revisit
and revise the decisions that have diverted us
from a healthy and sustainable path congruent with
our deeper nature.
VQ Do you have a "first book to read"
suggestion for newcomers to dream sharing?
FO My book is not written yet. I do have
preliminary booklets about the DRH process that
are available at $5 plus shipping. There are many
books on dreams and dreaming. I have been
directed to key books in my dreams or by
synchronicity. I suggest the beginner cultivate a
trust that they will be
guided to the right sources specific to their own
personal journey. It is a journey.
VQ Do you have someone who can use the Dream
Reentry Technique with you on your dreams?
FO There have been a few people who have worked
with me with some success. I am still looking for
someone or a few key students who are able to
master the process with sufficient confidence to
take me on. I had a very good experience with a
room mate at a dream conference who actually took
that risk. It was great.
VQ Especially if we have fewer glitches next
time, would you like to return to Electric Dreams
for a special report on Relay and translation from
one system to another from one side of the world
to another and deep into the imaginal from the
"conscious" realm in the same journey ?
FO It would be fun to see a transcript reprinted
of an on-line DRH sequence with the glitches and
humorous obstacles described.
VQ As you once worked for NASA, do you think
that there could be a balance somewhere between
"outer space" and "inner space"?
Of course. :) That's what it is all about. Just
talk to the Aboriginals about dreamtime. Our
addiction is to the dimensionality of the physical
realm. We have lost our operational linkage to
the imaginal realm that links us back to our
natural Source.
Fred Olsen, M.Div. (DREAMTRACK)
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Please fix it!! by Eulalia
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A Spanish version of this article is available
at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/eulalia/eulalia.htm
From Barcelona... Part I.
Eulalia
Why to waste time with dreams if *Dreams are
dreams*? (sentence of Calder'n de la Barca,
classic author in Spanish Literature who wrote the
book _Life is Dream_)
Many people ask me this question when I show them
my interest in dreams. I use to answer shortly but
today I am going to explain a little more about my
point of view. I base my opinion on my own
experience.
Dreams like a therapeutic sign
Years ago, when I was young, (anyway! younger), I
lived with my parents in a difficult situation
that is not beside the point I was incubating an
anguish neurosis but I didn't realize it was
happening. I used to practice Zen meditation some
weekends in mountain places. One Christmas, I had
terrible nightmares where the devil went after me.
The horror was as deep that I understood that
something important was demanding my attention.
Aloud I allowed myself to open *Pandora's box*.
For two years I went trough an anguish stage with
fear, phobias, nightmares... I refused to have
drugs and by accepting my suffering I begun to
look fairly at the bottom of my darkness. Little
by Little, devil metaphor was becoming a more
explicit message. The cause of my terror was made
clear, it wasn't any curse, but serious problems
in my family. Insofar as I accepted my situation
and I changed my way of living, the dreams
lighted more and more. Years have gone by, and
now I can value the great help that dreams offered
to me. They were a reliable thermometer of my
interior situation and a demonstration of my cure.
They allowed me to look after my urgent problems.
Dreams like spring of personal development
If I follow a scheme for this article it is Ken
Wilber's classification in
"Transformations of Consciousness". Previous
paragraph describe pre-personal aspects. My
problem was a neurotic problem. Dreams told me
that I needed to work with feelings and
personality. At this paragraph I want to show
dreams like *laboratory trials* for living. This
would be personal aspects. I have been a little
late for obvious living reality (too many books).
I found in dreams my first sexual desire. My first
orgasms were in dreams. This fact helped me to
achieve my fantasies awake. Another oneiric gift
was singing. I am not a singer at all, but I enjoy
singing and much more since I begun to sing in
dreams. This dreams are wonderful, my voice is
great in quality and power. To hear it is a
pleasure indescribable. One particular dream of
this subject turned out in a cathedral. I sang and
many people join together in a complementary
harmony. The choir filled the cathedral making a
unique vibration as splendid that I woke up happy
and moved. This kind of dreams brought nearer
mucic and singing. The feelings are the same in
Flying dreams.
Another positive aspect of oneiric world, is the
possible change of role playing in interactions
with characters. To test alternative ways to be
linked with family and friends is not a joke. To
became the dominant in a relationship and not the
victim, can be a big goal, an important step in
the track of freedom. I used to dream that a
friend always prevent me to go out his home.
Actually I was subject to his will, and I didn't
dare to escape. One day I decided to say good by
and to leave. When I dreamed this again I achieved
my plan. What excitement and surprise when I
realize I could change my old submission role! At
this moment the dream became lucid, I crossed the
door and freely I flew in the night.
Of course I finally came out of that house.
To be continued.....
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Electric Dreams and Cover Art
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Jesse Reklaw has been providing us with Cover
art for the issues of Electric Dreams. We also
are working on getting covers for *backissues*. If
you are interested in working on this project to
illustrate backissue (or upcoming issue) please
contact Jesse. reklaw@nonDairy.com
The plan at the moment is to create a
Backissue Gallery where you can look around the
gallery or get covers to download.
At this time the Gallery is being built at
http://www.nonDairy.com/ED/covers.html
However, we plan to move the gallery to the
Electric Dreams Web site as soon as possible.
Current issue Covers *are* available on the
Electric Dreams Web site.
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A. DREAMWORK QUESTIONNAIRE
copyright 1986 by Tracy Marks
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reprinted from YOUR SECRET SELF, copyright 1989 by
Tracy Marks,
published by CRCS Publications
PART ONE: EXPERIENCING THE DREAM
INITIAL RESPONSE
Immediate feelings upon awakening:
The emotional charge in the dream:
Immediate associations:
THE DREAM ITSELF
Time/location and associations:
Key symbols/images and associations:
Key characters and associations:
Key words/phrases/puns and associations:
Feelings present within the dream:
Antagonistic forces:
Healing/helping forces:
Archetypes:
THE CONTEXT
Previous day (and before-sleep) experiences and
concerns:
Following day anticipations and concerns:
Associations to other dreams and experiences:
When you felt a similar way:
How dream reflects your life situation:
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PART TWO: ANALYZING AND EXPLORING THE DREAM
ANALYSIS
Describe the dream ego in terms of:
apparent age/emotional age:
involved/uninvolved in action:
active/passive:
behaviors and actions:
attitudes/beliefs:
Describe the problem/conflict:
Describe the resolution/lack of resolution:
Describe incongruities/transformations/new
developments:
EXPLORING THE DREAM
Do one or more of the following exercises:
1) Describe yourself as a character or symbol: "I
am..."
2) Dialogue with one of the characters or symbols.
3) Retell your dream from another point of view.
4) Rewrite dream in left column with
associations/condensations.
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PART THREE: EXPANDING BEYOND THE DREAM
SHIFTING PARADIGMS
What's missing in the dream?
What are the unanswered questions?
What are the messages of the dream?
Why do you need this dream now?
What does the dream want from you?
What action will you choose to take?
CREATIVELY EXPRESSING THE DREAM:
Do one or more of the following exercises:
1. What happened before & after? Expand and
continue the dream.
2. Rewrite the dream creating a more viable
resolution. (What might this
have required of the dream characters?)
3. Enact the dream with one or more people. Create
a psychodrama.
4. Give creative expression to the dream - a
collage, drawing, painting,
poem, story, dance etc.
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B. And Example of CREATIVE DREAMWORK
copyright 1986 by Tracy Marks
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Tracy Marks
published by CRCS Publications, Sebastopol,
California
THE WATER GIVER DREAM
The land in which I live is dry, and turning into
desert. Because I cannot find water to fill my
cup, I decide to make the long journey to the lake
(written "lack") at the center of my community in
order to procure water from the Water Giver there.
As I journey, I intercept a messenger who is
bringing me a message. For the next year, I am
told, I am to be the Giver of Water; I must now
report to the central Lake. My first response is
anxiety and hesitation - I do not have the water
to give. I tell the messenger that I would prefer
to return to my barren land, at the far edge of
our world, than be the Giver of Water. The
messenger points out that I have traveled too far
from my home to turn back now, and that my home
is too far out on the edge of our world for the
lake to reach it - far from center, as our solar
system is far from the center of our galaxy.
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THE DREAM ITSELF - Do one or more of the following
exercises: 1) Describe yourself as a character or
symbol: "I am..."
2) Dialogue with one of the characters or symbols.
3) Retell your dream from another point of view.
4) Rewrite dream in left column with
associations/condensations.
EXERCISE: BEING A SYMBOL - THE LAKE
I am the lake where the Giver of Water gives
water to those seek- ing replenishment. I am at
the center of community, yet I am serene,
contained, enclosed by the mothering earth. At my
bottom, I am the sand of the earth, solid and
enduring. My soft blue waters, rippling with
gentle waves, reach down into my placid depths. I
am flowing, fluid; my waters renew themselves by
evaporating, and then returning again as rain.
Small fish play and thrive within me; I nourish
the life which feeds from me. I nourish those who
swim in my waters and drink of my waters, as I
myself am nourished. Although I am the water that
sustains life, I too am sustained by larger
waters, by a larger source, of which I am a part
and from which I give and receive.
EXERCISE: DIALOGUE
MESSENGER: Greetings, traveler. I am a messenger
from the sacred Lake, delivering to you a message
concerning your sacred task. What leads you to be
travelling toward Center? DREAMER:: I am so
pleased to encounter you on my way to the Lake!
As you can see, my cup is empty. The
waters of the Lake are not reaching into my land.
I must fill my cup before I return to my
people. I seek the Giver of Water, so that I may
be nourished and replenished by the waters She
gives me.
MESSENGER: You seek in the right place, for as I
find you whom I seek, you find She whom you seek.
I come to bestow an honor upon you, a sacred task.
You are the new Giver of Water.
DREAMER: I, the Giver of Water? But my own cup is
empty. I am thirsty; I wish to be nourished and
fed. What have I to give others? I will not
journey to the sacred Lake, if in doing so I am
required to give from an empty cup, rather than
fill my own. I seek the Giver of Water; I am not
the Giver of Water. I would rather return home to
my desolate land, parched with thirst, then take
on such an impossible task.
MESSENGER: You must not return now, so long into
your journey. Your land is desolate; the waters of
the Lake have not reached you because you have
built your home too far from community. You live
too far from the common spring, the sacred
Lake, where all are replenished. As our solar
system has expanded ever outward, moving far from
the center of our galaxy, so you too have been
ever--expanding, losing touch with the central
pulse of the Lake as you journey further and
further from its source.
DREAMER: And so I seek to return to the Lake, but
in order to receive, not to give from waters I do
not have.
MESSENGER: You have been away so long you do not
remember. As Giver of Water, you yourself will be
immersed in water. Giving and receiving are not
separate acts when one is immersed in the sacred
source. As Giver of Water, you live and breathe
the water that you give. What greater gift of
receiving can there be, what greater promise
of cups ever-filled than to embrace your task as
Giver of Water? Do not fear it. It is not you whom
must give from your own empty cup, but the Lake
which will give to you and through you. Will you
choose to honor She who honors you?
EXPANDING THE DREAM- DO ONE OF THE FOLLOWING
EXERCISES:
1. What happened before & after? Expand and
continue the dream.
2. Rewrite the dream creating a more viable
resolution. (What might this have required of the
dream characters?)
3. Enact the dream with one or more people. Create
a psychodrama.
4. Give creative expression to the dream - a
collage, drawing, painting, poem, story, dance
etc.
EXERCISE: A PROSE-POEM by Tracy Marks
(A journey into the Lack, before return to the
Lake, written several months after the dream)
DESERT, WHERE IS YOUR WATER?
Desert, where is your water? In what cactus
flower may I sip your wine? Yet you, my barren
home, have fed me with your heated heart and
howling sands strewn by windstorms. How am I to
abandon you - your wild wastes, your desolate
dunes which leave me parched and yearning? How
desperately I hoard each sunburnt drop of water
you sparingly serve me; how painfully I uncover
and relive my past in each excavation, digging
into your subterranean depths, questing for your
secret nourishment.
You, my savage land, far from the Lake, far
from the Water Mother - what Earth Mother are you,
so infertile, so bleak in face, so thin and hard
your wasted body? Has no one held you, soothed
you, plucked you with warm watery limbs from those
scorching tendrils of fire which brand your soul?
Have you only promising mirages which tempt and
tease? How can you, who have not fed, feed those
who beseech you, those who seek moisture from your
familiar stones?
They turn to you repeatedly, the pilgrims,
like me, seeking lands far from home - pilgrims
who love only that which eludes them, that which
burns them, that which punishes their hunger with
thirst, their thirst with sunblistered visions of
tomorrow's wombs, or past oases which never
sustained them. They turn to you rather than risk
drowning in the waters, rather than risk the
quenching of the fire, rather than risk the soft
soothing embracing unfamiliar arms of your
Sister, the Lake.
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BOOK
My book, Your Secret Self: A Guide to Using
Astrology and Your Dreams for Personal Growth,
blends a study of the 12th house (the unconscious
and inner self) in astrology with guidance for
dream interpretation, and a personal case study
integrating astrology and dreamwork. The book was
published by CRCS Publications
(Box 1460, Sebastopol, CA. 95473) in 1989, is 252
pages, and retails for $13.95. It has been
translated into six languages.
Tracy Marks Lalasa@aol.com
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DreamWave: The Gold in Dross
Timothy Tate
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Last night, as I was sleeping,
I dreamt--marvelous error--
that I had a beehive
here inside my heart.
And the golden bees
were making white combs
and sweet honey
from my old failures.
--Antonio Machado, Time Alone
DreamWave: The Gold in Dross
The primary authority in each person's life is not
the parent, the boss, the doctor, the
psychiatrist, or the ego. It is the Self. This
authority has many names and religions attached to
it, but all describe an infinite resource
available twenty-four hours a day, everyday. Its
primary purpose is to provide each and every human
with enough information to make it through life in
a meaningful way. Its form of expression is the
imagination. Its linking system is intuition. Its
language is the dream.
Being informed is fundamental in today's world.
The premise of theDreamWave project is that the
most important information is being overlooked. As
thoughts are to the brain so are dreams to the
mind. The "image-ination" represents itself in
"images." A daily, direct link to the source of
these images is the dream. The dream has an
inherent structure to its often seemingly
confusing presentation. The story is told with
pictures, puzzles, puns and paradoxes. To work
with the dream, you must play with it. You need
intuition, imagination and information.
The capabilities of the home computer,
particularly when combined with the Internet and
CD-ROM, are well suited to aid contemplation of
dreams. We have undertaken the design of an
electronic dream "Scribe," to augment one's paper
journal, and to link it to a many media
dream-related encyclopedia. The DreamWave software
will enable intuitive navigation through and
access to an on-going evolution of information
about dreams. It will assist the dreamer in
entering into an open-ended, life long
relationship with their dreams on their own terms.
DreamWave is asynchronistic integration of
software technology and psychological thought. The
program will be purposely as much an interactive
game as serious dream work. It will let the
dreamer connect with the dream, and feel that
little jolt, that "Eureka!" experience, when the
wires of dream and life cross.
Our first expression of this project is on the
World Wide Web at:
http://www.dreamwv.com
Within this site are:"Paragon," a collection of
hypertextual essays on matters of the
psyche;"Muse," individualized musings on dream
themes and elements;"Tidings," a consideration of
the week's waking dream, a.k.a., the news;"Gold" &
"Rules," which provide people with the basics for
discerning their most valuable dreams, the "gold
in the dross."
DreamWave is one way for people to incorporate
dreams into their life, and, ultimately, to
explore themselves and their world. It introduces
a technology and resource system whereby the
average person has the opportunity to become an
authority in their own life, pulling on there
sources of the Self available every night in one's
dreams.
Dreams are not logical, but mytho-logical; they
sew terror and absurdity together; they
disintegrate the dreamer. The art form of the
dream, like play, like little saved things, like
memory, is to make a human life, to participate in
the making of human culture.
--Lynda Sexson, Ordinarily Sacred
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Timothy Tate
Dross, LLP
ttate@montana.campus.mci.net
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Dream Inspired poetry
Kirk Colvin
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"Hunger is the Question"
The Thousand Pound Man dreams...
He is a buzzard, crouched on the bone-
white pyramid of his memories, gnawing
ancient babies, stiff, cold and dry.
Their brittle cries rattle the wind.
He is a spider, floating among invisible
chords, festooned with musty victims
bound by his yarn, hung in cool vaults
awaiting the timid tug, the stumbling
arousal far out on the edge; the plunge
of hot needles, the red fade into darkness.
He is an anteater; ant-people
scuttle far below: shirtless, shoeless,
tattoos of Jesus and snakes. Pabst
guzzlers, slick hair on over-sized
heads. He eats them all, one by one.
He is chaos washing against
tomorrow's perfect lover;
staunch as a lighthouse
on a dark coast. She flashes
purple kisses before his storm,
breath humid; penetrates his coiled
silence, the fossiled callus grown
'round his frenzied screams.
The Thousand Pound Man dreams
he has the answer: a dog, a cloud,
rain in the gutter, the sound
of wind; he can almost touch
it, feel the slick contours
of its face, taste yellow truth
on its lips. If it whispers,
he'll know its name.
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Kurt Covin has published in "Explorations",
"Shooting Star Review", "The ACORN", "Webster
Studies". He have been nominated for two Pushcart
Prizes, and won first place in the Pacific
Northwest Writers' Conference Writing Contest in
1994. This fall he will begin a two year Masters
program in Creative Writing at the University of
California, Davis.
kcolvin@foothill.net (K. Colvin)
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Communal Magic:
A Special Invitation To Dream
(Sponsored by the Fly-By-Night Club)
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Wed., July 10th and Sat., July 13th you are
invited to come to the Dream Ball.
Before you go to sleep on those nights, simply
direct your attention towards Berkeley,
California. That's where the elegant Claremont
Hotel serves as the site of this year's conference
of the Association for the Study of Dreams.
Wednesday night: Folks at the Claremont will
gather with blankets and pillows to hear a bedtime
story. This story was especially written to help
them dream together. You can catch a ride to the
Dream Ball fueled by group imagination. Expect to
dream up a delightful social event full of the
mystery and magic of a children's fairy tale.
Saturday night: Folks will gather at the Claremont
Ballroom for the waking state version of the Dream
Ball. This annual event features music, dancing,
talking, laughing, eating and prizes awarded for
the dreamiest costumes. You can use the fun and
enthusiasm generated by the party-goers to help
draw you there, too-on the magic carpet of dreams.
Send your dreams to CaseyFlyer@aol.com. (A title
and date are appreciated.) Indicate if you'd like
your full name or a pseudonym used. Dreams (but
not identifying information, unless granted) will
be posted in two places: on the Flying Carpet
mural at the conference and on the Internet. Check
out the Fly-By-Night Club website at
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/fbnc/fbnc01.htm
or
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/fbnc/fbnc01.htm
After the conference, each participant will
receive a synopsis of the Communal Magic project.
Thanks for your participation!
xxx
The Fly-By-Night Club is dedicated to the idea
that dreams are playful and flying is fun. Flying
dreams link to other creative, psychic, psionic
and extraordinary dreams and waking experiences.
For information on how to join, contact
CaseyFlyer@aol.com.
Founder Linda Lane Magallon is the author of
_Mutual Dreaming_ (Simon & Schuster, forthcoming)
and a researcher of lucid, telepathic, mutual and
flying dreams.
President Robert Waggoner is a lucid and Sethian
dreamer and a long time participant in Linda's
group dreaming projects.
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G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S
June 24, 1996
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GD News is a distributed news and events project
sponsored by Electric Dreams, DreamGate and The
Novato Center for Dreams. Please send all material
to the Dream News and Calendar Events editor,
Peggy Coats
pcoats@cruzio.com
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-UPDATES: ASSOCIATION FOR THE STUDY OF DREAMS
ASD CONFERENCE UPDATE
CONNECT TO THE ASD CONVENTION VIA CYBERSPACE
REGIONAL SUMMER AND FALL CONFERENCES
-UNDERSTANDING YOUR DREAMS SEMINAR
-CONSCIOUSNESS: DREAMING AND WAKING
-DREAMING IN BALI
-WORKING TOGETHER WITH DREAMS
-D.R.E.A.M.S. FOUNDATION TO OPEN ITS DOORS
-DREAM GROUPS TO MEET WEEKLY IN VIRGINIA
-DREAMGATE RE-OPENS IN ITS OWN DOMAIN
-SURVEY ON THE NOVADREAMER
-!!!! DREAM WEB SITE UPDATES !!!!
-C A L E N D A R
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G L O B A L D R E A M I N G N E W S
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ASD CONFERENCE UPDATE
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The 1996 ASD Conference XIII at the Claremont in
Berkeley, CA July 9th -13th will be the largest
ASD conference with more programs and tracks
than any previous conference. Registration will
close when the program exceeds the close
approaching limit, so be sure to get your
registration in TODAY! Call the Hotline for more
information: (510) 869-4066
Claremont Hotel FLASH!! - Conference rate rooms
are gone, only regular rate rooms are now
available. The Claremont will still help with
reservations in nearby accommodations. Call toll
free (800) 551-7266
Information on the Continuing Education Units that
are available at ASD XIII
http://www.dreamgate.com/asd-13/ceunits.htm
May Press release on the ASD XIII conference
http://www.dreamgate.com/asd-13/asd13new.htm
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CONNECT TO THE ASD CONVENTION VIA CYBERSPACE
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http://www.dreamgate.com/asd-13
For those of you who cannot attend the conference,
there are several programs where you can connect
with the convention via Cyberspace and interact
with conference attendees.
The Schedule of Online Events will be available on
the Convention Web site, which will be both at the
ASD Homepage
http://www.outreach.org/gmcc/asd/
and also at DreamGate
http://www.dreamgate.com/asd-13/
A. July 10,11 &12 : Evening Discussions
Online with Dream Concerned Individuals. Donna
Campos will have her Dream Studio open on
Compuserve New Age Forum from 7:00 PM Pacific
Daylight Time 10:00 PDT.
There will also be IRC chat on Channel
#asd-13 and #FlyByNight at these Times. What time
is that for you? Go to the
Time Zone Converter:
http://poisson.ecse.rpi.edu/cgi-bin/tzconvert
Also - See the extended article on Electric Dreams
volume 3 # 5
B. E-MAIL DISCUSSION with dream concerned
individuals. On the convention web index will be a
page of experienced cybernauts and folks who have
some experience with dreams in particular areas,
including dream sharing, groups, dreams and
esoterica, teaching dream and psychology.
You can participate in one of two ways -
both by sending e-mail to these folks and also by
adding yourself to the list of contacts.
Contact Richard Wilkerson,
<rcwilk@aol.com> to be put on the list.
C. HOT TOPICS Bulletin Board. If you go to
the ASD bulletin board you will find another venue
to discuss dream related issues with people from
the conference and around the world. Are the Senoi
a real or imaginary people? Should there be dream
sharing in Cyberspace? What are the latest
developments in Lucid Dreaming? Don't like these
questions? Add your own!
http://www.outreach.org/gmcc/asd/
D. Dream Telepathy Contest. Each year, the
conference has a carefully selected "Sender" who
will be sending out a picture on Friday, July
12th to your dreams. Do you think that you
received a picture in your dreams of this image?
You can either post that to the ASD Web Bulletin
Board or send it marked "Telepathy Dream" to
rcwilk@aol.com before July 13th, Saturday morning
when the results will be announced.
Perhaps you *already* have that dream! For
more information & updates on the contest, go to
the Convention XIII Index at
http://www.dreamgate.com/asd-13/
E. Mutual Dreaming. The Fly-By-Night club
will be sponsoring a GROUP DREAMING project to
meet in the Magical Mutual Ballroom! Results to
be posted initially on a Mural in the Communal
Dreaming Room at the Claremont, then online.
Though the focus of the conference will be to
meet face to face with fellow dreamers, you can
participate via mutual dreaming. On Wednesday
Night/Thurs morning, Pacific Time, you are
invited to slip out-of-body/ out of bed and meet
with fellow funsters at the Magical Mutual
Ballroom. You can also keep track of your dreams
until July 13th. Any dreams about the Conference,
about Flying or fellow conference attendees will
be accepted and put on the Flying Carpet Mural.
Please include title, date and include your name
or pseudonym. Post them to the Electric Dreams
Bulletin Board under " Communal Magic" or send
them to <caseyflyer@aol.com> For more
information go to the Fly-By-Night web site at
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/fbnc/fbnc01.htm
F. Are you interested in becoming an online
VOLUNTEER for the ASD web site or do you have
programs that you would like to see ASD consider?
Drop by the Conference XIII proposal page
and see what others are thinking about, or go to
the ASD bulletin board and propose your own ideas.
G. The ASD Conference XIII Index on World
Wide Web. This site will be accessible via both
the ASD Homepage and mirrored at DreamGate.
Included will be dream art galleries, histories
of dreams sharing online, how dream research is
conducted on the Internet, and schedules &
directions or all the presentations, chats, and
discussions.
ASD homepage:
http://www.outreach.org/gmcc/asd/
DreamGate Mirror site:
http://www.dreamgate.com/asd-13/
or contact Richard Wilkerson rcwilk@aol.com
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ASD REGIONAL MEETINGS AND CONFERENCES
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Join us for Dreams in the World's Family, a
weekend (Sept. 6-8, 1996) retreat co-sponsored by
the Association for the Study of Dreams and
Yasodhara Ashram Society. Our retreat will focus
on bringing a cross-cultural perspective to dream
work by drawing together different cultural
approaches to dreams. We'll be offering
work shops and academic presentations throughout
the weekend, and the evenings will be filled with
stories, songs and dreamtime ceremonies. Dreams in
the Worlds Family offers a rare opportunity to
expand our understanding and experience of dreams,
and to reinforce the thread that lovingly bonds us
together.
For more information :
http://fred.outreach.org/gmcc/asd/REGIONAL.htm
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SUMMER CONFERENCE
Decoding Your Dreams
Smithsonian Institution, Washington D.C.
Weekend seminar:
Fri. July 26, 6:00 pm -8:00 pm
Sat. July 27,10:00 am - 5:00 pm
Featuring:
-Robert Van De Castle, Dreams: Past, Present and
Future
-Milton Kramer, The Dream, An Emotional Thermostat
-Ernest Hartmann, The Nature of Dreams and
Nightmares
-Patricia Garfield, Understanding the Images in
Dreams
-Robert Van De Castle and Rita Dwyer, Workshop,
Mining for Meaning
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FALL CONFERENCE
October 11-13, 1996, Virginia Beach, VA
Co-Sponsored with Association for Research and
Enlightenment, (ARE),and the Tidewater Jungian
Society.
Call Central Office for more information @
(703)-242-0062.
1997 Conference!
Co-sponsored regional meeting at the Association
for Research and Enlightenment, (ARE), Virginia
Beach, VA, April 25-27, 1997,
featuring Robert Bosnak and others. (Program to be
established.)
For info, call Rita Dwyer at Central Office,
(703)-262-0042.
More details to follow as available. Visit this
page often to keep updated.
http://www.outreach.org/gmcc/asd/usconf.htm
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UNDERSTANDING YOUR DREAMS SEMINAR
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Tracy Marks, author of "Your Secret Self", will be
leading a seminar and mini- dream interpretation
group at the Cambridge Center for Adult Education,
Cambridge,MA, on July 24, 31 and August 7. An
eclectic approach to dream interpretation,
utilizing analytic, Jungian, gestalt, creative
approaches, the workshop is limited to 10. For
more information, call 617) 547-6789, or email
Tracy Marks at <lalasa@aol.com>.
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CONSCIOUSNESS: DREAMING AND WAKING
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A 4-Day Residential Training Program in Lucid
Dreaming will be held at Stanford University, Palo
Alto, California, August 1-5, 1996.Becoming adept
at lucid dreaming requires a degree of focused and
sustained attention and practice that is often
difficult to arrange in the face of the many
demands of our busy workaday lives. This carefully
designed program provides an ideal opportunity to
devote four nights and days exclusively to
cultivating your lucid dreaming ability and
enhancing your consciousness in everyday life.
Unlike weekend workshops, in which we are limited
to instruction in methods of lucid dream induction
for participants to employ at home, this intensive
program aims to bring you to the experience of
lucid dreaming during the course of the program
through practice, discussion, guidance, and
specially designed sleep schedules.
Join us and fellow oneironauts in this adventure!
The retreat includes:
* 4 days and 4 nights of focus on lucid dreaming
while lodging on the beautiful, peaceful
Stanford University campus
* Daily group and individual exercises in
developing lucid dreaming skills and enhancing
consciousness, dreaming and waking
* A sleep schedule (including naps) optimized for
the promotion of lucid dreams
* Use of lucid dream induction technology:
DreamLights, DreamLinks NovaDreamers, PESTs,
DreamSpeakers, and new experimental devices
* Discussion sessions and personal guidance by Dr.
Stephen LaBerge * Lectures and discussions on the
science of lucid dreaming and continuing
research and a field trip to the Stanford lab to
observe lucid dreaming research in action
* Group support in your endeavor to master lucid
dreaming * Instructional materials including the
Lucidity Institute's Course in Lucid Dreaming
and Oneironautical Log
The cost for the intensive is $1000, and includes
room and board. A non-refundable deposit of $100
is due July 1st. A portion of the fee may be tax-
deductable. Limited scholarships and reduced fees
will be available. General & Nursing Continuing
Education units are also available through the
Institute of Transpersonal Psychology.
For more information, contact the Lucidity
Institute, 2555 Park Blvd #2, Palo Alto, CA 94306
or call 415) 321-9969 or 800) GO LUCID.
Email <cdwsu@lucidity.com>
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DREAMING IN BALI
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Few people in the world have preserved and
developed the richness of their culture as have
the Balinese. From simple daily activities to
elaborate rituals, the sense of the sacred infuses
the arts, the relationship to the land, and
interaction with the human and non-human world. A
Travel/Study program cosponsored by the Alumni
Association of the California Institute of
Integral Studies will occur September 2-16, 1996.
The trip is both an inner and outer journey,
blending dreamwork and T'ai-Chi instruction with a
close encounter with the Balinese way of life and
natural beauties, thus creating a space for
personal renewal and cultural insight.
Participants will stay in Balinese style housing
near Ubud and on the Coast, visit important
temples, participate in ceremonies, and experience
what it is to be Balinese by sharing some of their
artistic and ritual actvities. Although the trip,
which is limited to ten participants, HAS BEEN
FILLED, future trips are being planned. For more
information, contact Daniel Deslauriers at
<isddaniel@aol.com>
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WORKING TOGETHER WITH DREAMS
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John Segman, Ph.D., Psychologist, teaches at
Daemen College, Amherst, NY, and will present an
introductory dream work seminar entitled "Working
Together with Dreams" Wednesdays, July 10,17,24,
31, 1996 from 7:30 to 9:30 p.m. in conjunction
with the Analytical Psychology Society of Western
New York (The C. G. Jung Center) in Buffalo, New
York.
Often people come to the psychology of Jung
seeking to understand their own puzzling and
perplexing experiences, including their dreams.
There is something about Jung's analytical
psychology that offers both a framework and space
for being with the mysterious as well as the
ordinary in an enriching way. Working with dreams
is an excellent way to become acquainted with
Jung's ideas because one learns how dream images
can speak for themselves as one learns to listen
and watch, hearing with a new ear, seeing with a
refreshed eye. Then we can talk together about
what we have noticed, gradually becoming familiar
with the language of the archetypes. Dr. Segmen
will introduce you to working with dreams using
the methods of Jung and more recent workers such
as Montague Ullman, Jeremy Taylor, Robert A.
Johnson, and Robbie Bosnak.
For more information, contact the APSWNY directly
at (716)845-7457, or email Dr. Segman at
<jsegmen@daemen.edu>
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D.R.E.A.M.S. FOUNDATION TO OPEN ITS DOORS
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The D.R.E.A.M.S. Foundation (Dream Research and
Experimental Approaches to the Mechanisms of
Sleep) is a registered non-profit organization
operating in collaboration with the Dream and
Nightmare Research Laboratory at Montreal's
Sacre-Coeur Hospital is about to open its doors.
For more information contact Craig Webb, Executive
Director, Box 513 Snowdon
Montreal, QC, Canada H3X 3T7, E-mail
<dreamsf@PSY.UMontreal.CA>
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DREAM GROUPS TO MEET WEEKLY IN VIRGINIA
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Dream groups are cropping up everywhere --
including at the C.G. Jung Center of Winchester,
Virginia. The groups are "officially" open to
anyone that is interested in exploring their
dreams in a group setting with similarly
interested others. The group is unstructured
except for meeting for 90 minutes once a week, and
participants simply tell their dreams and then
listen to and share associations and reactions
with others in the group. "Interpretations" are
understood to be merely those responses that are
evoked in others. Participants are respectful of
content and process, and psychological safety is
paramount in the ethos of the group. Any number of
discussions on a wide variety of topics often
ensue, according to the pleasure of the group.
For more information, contact Geoff Byrd,
540-665-1848. geoffbyrd@aol.com.
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DREAMGATE RE-OPENS IN ITS OWN DOMAIN
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For the last two years DreamGate has been a
Cyberspace oriented dream concerned organization
focused on getting dreamers and dream
organizations online, networked, educated, and
informed. The projects have spanned from support
in donation of mail lists and online storage
space, to formatting dream related bibliographies
and documents for gophers and web sites,
construction of Web sites to Education and News
programs in the field of dreams. Some of the
organizations that DreamGate has supported and
helped include Electric Dreams, The Association
for the Study of Dreams, the Novato Center for
Dreams, the Fly-By-Night Club, DreamLink,
DreamNet, ASD homepage and a whole host of other
online dream projects including the construction
of the ASD XIII Conference Index and Internet
Computer Hub at the Claremont in Berkeley,
California.
DreamGate is now opening its own new web site:
http://www.dreamgate.com
The new site will continue the projects and
relationships of the past and well as offering in
the Fall of 1996 several new projects. Look
forward to more Dream Education programs &
Classes, help in construction of web sites and
activist actions in the areas of free speech &
fair practice on the Net with the help of the
Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Internet
Society, and Electric Dreams.
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TAKE PART IN AN INFORMAL SURVEY ON THE
EFFECTIVENESS OF NOVADREAMER
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There have been various technological advances
made over the last decade which have enabled
electronic devices to be produced which claim to
be able to help people have lucid dreams. The
most popular device at the moment is the
NovaDreamer developed by The Lucidity Institute.
The NovaDreamer is the cheapest lucid dream
induction device they sell, but at $275 it is
still quite expensive for what it actually does -
basically detect when a person is in REM sleep
(and therefore dreaming) then delivering an audio
and visual cue which the dreamer will recognize
and become lucid in the dream.
An on-line survey to find out the effectiveness
of the NovaDreamer is being conducted. All the
results of the survey will be published on web
site in due course, and anyone who uses a
NovaDreamer can participate in it. So if you use a
NovaDreamer, simply e-mail the replies to the
following questions on the following e-mail
address <dogberry@celtic.co.uk>
If you want to get more info on the survey, or
see more articles on lucid dreaming and dreaming,
you can visit Dreamweb. at:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/3815
SURVEY QUESTIONS:
1. Did you have lucid dreams before you started
using the NovaDreamer ?
2. If so, how many lucid dreams were you having on
average a month ?
3. When you started using the NovaDreamer, did the
frequency of lucid dreams increase, or did you
start having lucid dreams for the first time ?
4. How long did it take you to learn to recognize
the NovaDreamer cues while dreaming ?
5. Using the NovaDreamer, how many lucid dreams
can you have in a night ?
6. Do you use the NovaDreamer on it's own, or do
you also practice the mental techniques that help
in having lucid dreams as well ?
7. Do you think that the NovaDreamer is
over-priced for what it does ?
8. Overall, would you say that the NovaDreamer was
worth the money you paid for it ?
If you have any additional comments to add on the
NovaDreamer, write them next to a heading.
(Forwarded by Ciaran Ryan).
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DREAM WEB SITE UPDATES
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How about bulletin board for Dream Chat? Try
Angie's:
http://www.sonic.net/~williams/wwwboard/dreamboard
.html
========== DreamGate is now opening its own new
web site:
http://www.dreamgate.com
========== DreamNet has MOVED! New address:
http://www.hmtp.com/new/dream/dream.html
What, never heard of Dream Network Journal?
**Dream Network, a Quarterly Journal Exploring
Dreams & Myth.** Since 1982, DreamNetwork has
been providing encouragement to dreamers,
information and international networking services.
Each issue contains a section on The Art of
Dreamsharing & Dream Education, the Mythic
Dimension and articles which respond to Questions
posed in the previous issue. The classified
section offers dreams/readers the opportunity to
initiate and engage in research projects and to
form or participate in existing dream groups.
Sample issue: $5.59/One Year/$22. Also
available, a 44 page booklet, The Art of
Dreamsharing & Developing Dream Groups that
would enhance dreamplay on any Electric Dreams
dreamsharing activity: $5 + $1 (P&H). For
Information, email to Roberta Ossana's email
address dreamskey@sisna.com or subscribe via
VISA, Mastercard, AmEx : 1-800-To-1-DREAM
(800-861-3732).
=========== Somnial Times' web page has changed
servers. It can be viewed at:
http://www/iit.edu/~banymic/somnial
=========== Fred Olsen's Dream Reentry Site is now
open at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/reentry.htm
========== The Fly-By-Night Club Homepage is now
open to all those who love dreams and delight in
the extraordinary. Be sure to Fly by:
http://members.aol.com/caseyflyer/fbnc/fbnc01.htm
========== The Novato Center for Dreams Homepage
is now open and if you have *any* interest in
dreams and the archiving of historic dream related
materials, be sure to stop by.
http://members.aol.com/jilgregory/ncd/jillhome.htm
========== Working with Color in Dreams
site is now open. Bob Hoss offers dream
interpreters an introduction into the
significance and meaning of colors in dreams and
how to work with them.
http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/hoss
========== Update: Dolphins, Whales, and Dreamtime
by Trisha Lamb Feuerstein (dolphintlf@aol.com)
In the last issue of Electric Dreams, ED 3(4),
Trisha gave us a peek at her upcoming book about
dreams & the spiritual, and cultural significance
of cetaceans (dolphins and whales) as evinced in
classical and New Age myth, art, dreams, various
genres of fiction, and human-cetacean encounters.
You can now see this paper on the Web with links
to dolphin and whale sites from around the world
at:
http://www.dreamgate.com/asd-13/4r30.htm
========== Add YOUR OWN DREAM WEB SITE TO ED!!
That's right, you design it and Electric Dreams
will put it up! Perhaps you've always wanted to
put up a special dream with a gold background, or
a regional news board that has special events
about you dream group. For more, see our Web
Page. Also - if you *have* a site on dreams or
dreaming, already and we haven't included your
link, you can put that on *automatically*. Just
go to the Electric Dreams site and select "Other
Sites"
========== The Novato Center for Dreams is Opening
its Web gate to dream concerned individuals from
around the world. The NCD has provided archiving
of dream materials for years, and has fabulous
resources for dreamers. Drop by at the temporary
address
http://members.aol.com/jilgregory/NCD/jillhome.htm
========== A Tribute to Akira Kurosawa's Dreams
http://www.aisb.org/~ddj/dreams/index.html
========== DreamWeb
A wonderful collection of Dream and Dreaming
science information.
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/3815/
========== Mark Breck's Lucid Dreamer's Guide
Is this a Dream?
http://www.cris.com/~Mbreck/lucid.shtml
========== DreamWave -It just keeps getting better
& better!
http://www.dreamwv.com
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C A L E N D A R
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Jul 09- USA: Berkeley, California 13 ASD
(Ass'n for the Study of Dreams) International
Conference Hotline Information: 510) 869-4010
Jul 10 Cyberspace Compuserve "Dream Studio"
on-line chat room with invited guests at
the ASD Conference, 7:30-9:15 PM Pacific Daylight
Time Topic: Group Dreaming Choose:
Services/Go/Newage/New Age B
Forum/Conference/Enter Room/Dream
Studio/Enter
Jul 11 Cyberspace Internet Relay Chat (IRC), LIVE
from the ASD Conference
7:30-9:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time. Hosted
by CaseyFlyer (Linda Lane Magallon). Select
"#FlyByNight" using your IRC software
Jul 12 Cyberspace
Compuserve "Dream Studio" on-line chat
room with invited guests at the ASD Conference,
7:30-9:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Topic: Dreams As Healing Choose:
Services/Go/Newage/New Age B
Forum/Conference/Enter Room/Dream Studio/Enter
Jul 10- USA: Buffalo, New York
31 Working Together with Dreams, Seminar with
Dr. John Segman Analytical Psychology Society of
Western New York, 716) 845-7457 or contact Dr.
Segman by e-mail at <jsegman@daemen.edu>
Jul 14- USA: New York City, New York
19 The Analytical Psychology of Dreams
C.G. Jung Center of New York,
Jul 26, Decoding Your Dreams ASD Wash, D.C.
July 27 Decoding Your Dreams ASD Weekend Seminar
Jul 24,31, Aug 07 Understanding Your Dreams,
Seminar and Dream Interpretation Group Cambridge
Aug 07 Cambridge Center for Adult Education,
617) 547-6789. Understanding Dreams
Jul 24 USA: Cambridge, Massachusetts
Jul 31 Understanding Your Dreams, Seminar and
Dream Interpretation Group
Aug 07 Cambridge Center for Adult Education, 617)
547-6789.
Jul USA: Monterey Bay region, California
Aug Summer Dream Group
Sep Kathleen Sullivan, dremwvr@mbay.net
Aug 01- USA: Palo Alto, California
05 4-Day Residential Training Program in
Lucid Dreaming Stanford University, Lucidity
Institute 415) 321-9969 or
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October 11-13, 1996, ASD Fall Conference Virginia
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==Commentary on Jesse's "Untitled" by Shadow (from
ED v.3 issue 3) ==
If this were my dream...
My friend James and me, and a chick. Chick has
connotations of innocence. Getting into a club
for 18+, but the chick might have trouble since
she is younger than James and I. There is a part
of myself, perhaps the innocence of childhood that
is having trouble keeping up with where I and my
friends are going/doing now. Yet, she does make
it in. The chick may be both my innocence and my
anima, or feminine side. We have fun, but the
prospect of something better lures us to another
location. There we find instruments with no band.
The establishment has failed to provide what we
are looking for. We are asked to play. We are
stepping into a more active role in our lives. We
are learning how to provide for our selves. I
feel the power of moving into a more powerful time
in my life, but I am frustrated too, that I cannot
totally be independent.
A drunken man starts to babble complete nonsense.
Perhaps these drunken babblings are messages from
the unconscious. We are invited to go outside and
view a piece of grafitti. An eye and the
surrounding muscles. To see. But more, how the
method of seeing is operated. This strikes me as
a look-behind-the-scenes kind of message. As if
the drunken man is saying, "Look, this is how it
all works--understand?" I begin to understand the
drunks babblings. He is some intoxicated guru
telling me and my friends about jazz and life and
everything. "Just look ad dat I man...."
==Commentary on Just Ducky! (960217) by Island ==
Though only the dreamer knows for sure . . .The
dream: I'm having trouble finding an important
form at work and the computer is inexplicably in a
long process after I'd pressed escape. There are
several customers and it's nearly a half hour past
our usual closing time, but since it's raining I
don't really mind. A female customer insists that
we still have a duck calendar; I start looking for
it.
Dreamer's Interpretation: Just ducky!
<Comment: Just ducky! Is certainly one way of
looking at it. Could a "Duck calendar" also
suggest ducking out (or escaping) on schedule?
(e.g., "duck" -- avoid). Could not finding an
important form suggest finding "form" on the job
scene? Inexplicably in a long process. Have you
abandoned something in your heart though you
haven't abandoned it in reality? Are you caught in
a loop and on automatic pilot now? Do you not mind
working in a state of confusion (rain) because
you're not ready for things to clear up? Have you
found the duck calendar yet?>
==Commentary on Haunted Houses (ED3:3) by Island==
Curious dream. I liked it (& interpretation). But
why did I think of The Fairie Queen? And had to
strain to think of Tennessee Williams? Still don't
get the connection, the dream itself so devoid of
emotionality. More Ted Hughes' _Crow_ (though far
fetched) springs to mind (and others). Why did the
woman have a hard drive implant? Had she had a
mastectomy?
==Commentary on Santa Cruz Mountains (960302) by
Island==
I am driving a high 5 1/2 ton truck over the
Santa Cruz Mountains into San Jose.
<The enormous tragedy of the dream in the
peasant's bent /shoulders. / Pound, Pisan Cantos
(LXXIV)
Tremendous mental burdens when I might be cruising
(Cruz) instead.>
Once on the flat stretch I try to make a lane
change and the truck goes into a counterclockwise
spin.
<Make a lane change: Do you actually try to make
a(the) lane (the road you travel) change? (Do what
is impossible for mere mortals, like conjuring the
winds to carry the leaves away?) Who are you
passing? No one? Yourself? Is a lane change
necessary? Or desirable?>
I think "I'm going to die,"
<Are you driving (pushing) yourself to death?>
but I keep my hands on the wheel.
<If it were my dream, I would wonder if I am not
existing simultaneously in two worlds: the "I"
(consciousness) looking toward death while the
hands (modus operandi, firmly of the world) on the
wheel.>
Amazingly, despite having careened across the
lanes, the on-coming [sic] traffic, etc., I come
to rest in the center of the spiral not having hit
anyone.
<My fears, my expectations are not in alignment
with reality. If it were my dream, it would appear
to me that I feel out of control at all times
though the reverse is true
(clockwise/counterclockwise). But I apprehend a
state of grace.>
My vehicle is now a bicycle.
<What happened to your burdens? Shorn. Good. The
bike: Note the two wheels, connected by a bridge.
Two realities (life/death) spinning along,
perhaps?>
I carry it part way the wrong way up a
freeway ramp and arrive a the commuters' railway
terminal.
<Free way. Freedom. But something seems out of
cinque. I arrive at a railway(I tend to view
train/train rides/rails as a form of destiny), and
here I stand at the terminal (the end of the
line).But there's hope: Commuter. (Commute: To
change a penalty, or debt, to a less severe one).>
It is partially shut down. It is a quiet
day. It is Sunday. There are a few people
about: employees chatting, a man in a business
suit working at his laptop. The place is white,
well- lit, clean and modern.
<Sunday. For some a day of rest. But here there
is work activity. Sun-day. White. Clean. Have you
arrived?>
==Commentary on "Water, Rats, Deer and Me" by
Mary (ED V3N3) by Rosalie (960419)==
Hello Mary,
That is a beautiful dream. Thank you for sharing
it.
If this were my dream I would think that out back
where people cannot see it and where others are
not aware of it, even the neighbors are not aware
of it, I have many emotions that threaten to
engulf me. I was thinking of sadness and tears
first, but then I saw the rats. The rats for me
stand for something that causes me fear, so I am
grateful when the deer eats the fear. The deer
seems too docile and friendly an animal to devour
the rats, so some wild, strong part of my appears
and deals with the fear by devouring it. I think,
if I can deal with the fear, then the water will
subside. My emotions will still be there to
moisten my life and my decisions, like the water
will still be there to water the earth and the
flowers, but not enough to cause flooding anymore.
My strong animal instincts will guide me to my
emotions and teach me that I need not be afraid of
them. They will teach to deal with my emotions
so that they do not flood me.
Rosalie
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**Aliens by Nutcracker (960311) **
David Duchovny (X-Files) and I were on a mission.
We had to get rid of some foreigners (before they
got rid of us). We were all riding in a car
together. We stopped the car and everybody got
out. I had put two small paper bags with
poisonous snakes in underneath the car seat. The
plan was to move them to the foreigners side of
the car while it was their turn to drive. There
was a third guy with us (on our team). He began
shoving stuff under the seat. I cringed, hoping
he wouldn't disturb the snakes. Now the car is a
bedroom. The three foreigners get a king size
bed, as do the three of us. Someone let one of the
snakes loose in the room. David kills it. I go
into another room (to avoid the snakes) and sit on
my friend s daughter's toy (something on wheels).
Now the room is like a window display in the mall.
People are outside looking in as I push myself
around on this child s toy. (960311)
==Commentary by SkyeT on "Aliens" by Nutcracker
(960514) ==
Nutcracker:
I have a really unusual analysis of this dream.
Take it for whatever it s worth. First, a little
theoretical background:
The EST are here. Folks may want to ignore it,
disbelieve it, and so on, but those who have had
personal sightings, particularly those that left
no question of the "alienness" of the experience
(and that figure is, I believe, closing in on 50%
of the population), they KNOW.
I would also suggest that on some level or
consciousness or another, everyone KNOWS. I mean,
I can't tell you the amazing things I've seen
right in my very own neighborhood (and right in my
very own house, but that s another story
altogether), once I've popped out of body and
hovered over my rooftop. If all of us have that
kind of experience and knowledge, whether it s
recalled or not, then there's a lot of
psychological denial going on.
The interesting question to me is: What do
individuals, or the collective consciousness of
earth for that matter, DO with that knowledge?
It s stuffed, OK. But where? And how?
In reading your dream I intuitively felt that it
was a working-out, for yourself personally and for
the collective -- and MANY people are having these
sorts of dreams right now -- of the denial and
fear. (Whatever you may believe on the conscious
level, for the moment, let's assume that s
irrelevant.)
The other concept I'd like to introduce here is
one that amplifies, or perhaps explains, the
intense fear we feel about the idea of ET
existence/contact. Mankind did have interactions
with other civilizations("the Gods" of ancient),
and those interactions were not always pleasant or
for the betterment of all mankind. (For
reference, check the Bible under floods, Famines,
Pestilence, and "Sodom & Gomorrah/Pillars of
Vapor.")Even more relevant to your dream, check
"Garden of Eden/Snake."
In the gospel according to Zecharia Sitchin, a
scholar of ancient languages/texts who has
extensively examined Mesopotamian and other
ancient texts to get this story, mankind was
apparently caught in the crossfire between two
groups of "Gods." For various reasons, one group
decided to bump us off, hence all the nasty
stuff. The other group, represented by the Snake,
kept saving our ass. They fed us when we were
starving, they were the ones who whispered in
Noah's ear about the cubits and all. They taught
us; even today our symbol representing the medical
profession bears the Snake as it's "mascot." The
other gods were NOT happy about the actions of the
Snake group and in the Bible, which let's say is
told from the perspective of "the other group,"
the Snake gets a really bad rap.
So, just for the sake of whatever, let me take key
portions of your dream and "interpret it" using
this framework I've just described.
1. In the first scene, you and Duchovny are
riding in the car with some foreigners/aliens.
The "mission" is to get rid of the (knowledge) of
the aliens and their agendas and activities.
Duchovny is a good aspect of self to have along on
this mission, he represents someone with some
knowledge of aliens, is at least somewhat
comfortable with this knowledge, and is generally
very capable in a crunch. Perhaps you didn't
quite trust those abilities in yourself, so you
thrust them onto a symbolic Muldar. that s OK, as
long as all your aspects of self are riding in the
same car, you can make use of their abilities.
It's when you can't find them at all that you re
in trouble!
It's implied that you/Muldar are driving the car
at the beginning of the dream, since you have to
wait til the aliens are driving to move the bag of
snakes. You are in control at this point, or
should I say, superficially you hadn't had to deal
with anything heavy yet and so the illusion of
control was still present.
2. You all got out of the car and it's at that
point that you changed places. Something about
this action, at this point in the dream,
represents the idea of a shift of power away from
you (and your Muldar self) to the aliens. And
it's at this point that you introduce the idea of
the snakes.
3. They represent "forbidden knowledge" and it's
exactly that knowledge that got us in such hot
water after the Garden of Eden revolt. Whatever
the eating of the apple represented, it did result
in an expansion/growth for mankind. The Bible
acknowledges this saying something about the fact
that we would only need to find the "Tree of Life"
and we'd live forever (we'd be unstoppable). The
snake, then, represents mankind's empowerment, but
also enormous danger. The introduction of this
symbol, no matter how you intended to use them,
meant that you were dealing with very fundamental
fears, probably fear of aliens and perhaps a few
personal fears of your own thrown in for good
measure.
The fact that they were only contained in a paper
bag, rather than something sturdier/safer, means
that you are more ready than not to expose that
knowledge to yourself. You allowed yourself the
illusion of safety, but that's it.
You kept trying to shove the snakes off onto the
aliens, but didn't seem to have much luck. That's
because all these issues are OURS to deal with. 3.
I'm not sure who the third guy in the car was, but
he seemed to represent another aspect of self.
The idea of triads is so prevalent, that if you
looked closely at the attributes of Muldar,
yourself and Mr. X, you might be able to guess
what he did represent.
His actions were interesting, though. He was
literally stuffing something out of sight. He
clearly didn't want to deal with it (and let's
assume that what he was stuffing was his feelings
about what was going on, about the aliens).
4. At this point the scene cuts to a bedroom.
I'm not clear if you and the three aliens all got
on the same bed? This would imply that you were
on good terms at that point. But then someone
lets a snake loose and your Muldar self has to
handle it for you.
You run away to another room, allowing your fear
to get the better of you. In that sense you did
become less empowered, more "childlike" and are
then riding a kid's vehicle.. Other people are
watching you in this state, which I gathered you
found kind of embarrassing. (Do you keep up a
very ADULT facade in real life? Is this an issue
that would especially bother you?)
It's interesting that the dream is "bookend" with
vehicles. At first, you are driving a real car.
By the end of this experience you are wheeling a
kid s car. Still, you confronted your fears to a
large degree, even creating one of the snakes to
be loosed inside the bedroom.
Skye T
**"It's Cold But I Am Not" by Ken - Sunday 28
April 1996**
I am living in the sea. The seafloor is ice, and
there's a very deep ice well which I enjoy sliding
down the lip of to the very bottom. I always come
back up, and there's never any strain or pull, nor
do I want to remain at the bottom. It's fun, and
I go in and out two or three times.
Later from a point midwater I see the wood hull of
a sailing boat above me, and I wonder what the
seals thought when they first saw them. Did they
play alongside them? I go up to the surface and I
see that's it's my brother!
Interpretation: A fascinating development of the
split anima motif [thanks, Mary!] of "Quincunx,"
for I am one of the Nereids, one of the seal-
people at play in a sterile environment. It's
like the Arctic Ocean, a green sea, only there's
no life but myself. I enjoy complete freedom of
movement; things are not complex. Some of the
water has become ice which has become chthonic (if
ice sank rather than floated, if H20 wasn't
strongly bipolar, there would be no life.) Thus I
go in and out of this realm's vaginal well: it is
cold and I am not. I am, after all, as made for
this environment as a seal. The ice vaginal well
-frigidity!- isn't the inverse of Satan's icy-cold
penis of Inquisition lore; I'm reminded more
strongly of my love of swimming on the bottom of
childhood's pools. Up and down, in and out, again
and again -great fun! I've no trouble or
compunction about sliding down and coming back up.
Then, again, a midpoint is the crux. I look up,
think of animal consciousness -the seed of
dharma?- and go to the surface. A hole in the
seafloor, in the ice, on the surface of the sea.
It's my brother! My brother in another realm, the
little man in the boat. There's a lot more spirit
(air) in that sailboat, more life and motion.
Among other things, he's in more pussy than I am.
Ships are feminine. He has his craft (work and
love). He's got his; I have a hole in the bottom
of heavy water.
** "Night Terror" by Antonio (960502) **
There was a gal who I wanted to talk to, but I was
afraid...the city was dark and rainy...and there
was some kind of danger, but we were involved in a
camping trip in the city...hmmm...anyway, I
finally touched her and we ended up hugging...I
remember relief and this incredible warm
feeling...and how she fit into my arms. Low and
behold, it turns out that she has been wanting me
to hold her. The last thing I remember was going
to the car to get something, bread...rolls to be
exact, for a dinner in her apartment...well, as I
opened the car, I knew there was danger, but could
not see it...and I got hit. I realized the danger
was an invisible person...yep...how weird can ya
get....so somehow I turned and began a battle with
the invisible person....I finally got him down and
pinned on the ground, I was trying to make
him...(it???) talk when I saw a rock approaching
my head...I broke the persons arm under me and
rolled to get away and had to confront invisible
person number 2...this was female. At this point I
woke up.
Any comments would be most welcome. Thanks.
==Commentary from Nutcracker on Night Terror by
Antonio (960503)
<<There was a gal who I wanted to talk to, but I
was afraid...>>
I sense the dreamer is shy and fears rejection.
He is apprehensive about making the first move.
<<the city was dark and rainy...and there was some
kind of danger>>
Dreamer is unable to see things clearly, perhaps
unable to take things at face value. Is the
danger due to his reluctance to accept things as
they are?
<<we were involved in a camping trip in the city>>
Dreamer is aware that you don't have to leave home
to 'get away' from it all.
<<I finally touched her and we ended up
hugging...I remember relief and this incredible
warm feeling...and how she fit into my arms.>>
Dreamer feels acceptance, comfortable with the way
she fits 'into him'.
<<it turns out that she has been wanting me to
hold her.>>
The girl appears to be equally shy, perhaps unsure
of her own feelings as well.
<<I remember going to the car to get something,
bread...rolls to be exact, for a dinner in her
apartment ...well, as I opened the car, I knew
there was danger, but could not see it...and I got
hit.>>
Dreamer's instincts are good, allowing him to have
a feel for his surroundings.
<<I realized the danger was an invisible person.>>
Is the invisible person representative of a
problem at work or in dreamer's personal life? Is
this a fear you sense befalling you, whether real
or imagined? In other words, are you looking for
problems that don't exist?
<<I turned and began a battle with the invisible
person....I finally got him down and pinned on the
ground, I was trying to make him..it??? talk when
I saw a rock approaching my head...I broke the
persons arm>>
Is this the dreamer breaking free of one
problem...
<<I rolled to get away and had to confront
invisible person number 2...this was female.>>
...only to encounter another? Does the dreamer
have a problem with a certain female in his life?
Just my thoughts....
==Commentary by Narcissus on "Night Terror" by
Antonio (960505) ==
> > There was a gal who I wanted to talk to, but I
was afraid...the city> was dark and rainy...and
there was some kind of danger, but we were>
involved in a camping trip in the
city...hmmm...anyway, I finally> touched her and
we ended up hugging...I remember relief and this>
incredible warm feeling...and how she fit into my
arms. Low and> behold, it turns out that she has
been wanting me to hold her.
In my dream, this woman is my anima, my soul.
I've been afraid of approaching her, afraid of
being rejected by her. The city - my life - seems
dark and dangerous, but my soul is waiting for me
to approach her.
>The last thing I remember was going to the car to
get something,> bread...rolls to be exact, for a
dinner in her apartment...well, as I> opened the
car, I knew there was danger, but could not see
it...and I> got hit.
I want to nourish my soul. I want to be at home
w/ her. But as I approach my vehicle, my way of
getting around in the world (my job?, my
persona?), I get hit.
>I realized the danger was an invisible person...>
yep...how weird can ya get....so somehow I turned
and began a battle> with the invisible person....I
finally got him down and pinned on the> ground, I
was trying to make him...(it???) talk when I saw
a rock> approaching my head...I broke the persons
arm under me and rolled to> get away and had to
confront invisible person number 2...this was>
female. At this point I woke up.> In my dream, the
invisible people are my parents. It's said that
whenever a man and a woman make love, there's
always 6 people in the bed: the woman, the man,
her parents, and his parents. What msgs did I get
from my parents about loving others? About loving
myself? Did they tell me I was too hard headed?
Do I have to disarm them to love my own soul?
I had an interesting dream here. I hope it was
good for you too.
Kidding aside, this resembles in many ways a dream
I call "The Invisible One," which is about my
parents. I hope these thoughts on your dream are
of use to you.
Sincerely,
Narcissus
** "Old Lady on a Motorcy" by Fast Wheels (960505)
5/5/96 I am watching as a disembodied observer.
(The Dream Ego). I see an old lady on a
motorcycle. She refuses to put hub caps on her
back wheels. She wants the spokes exposed. She
wears leather and is feisty and independent.
However, she decides she wants a job. She offers
to be a delivery person for messages. She is hired
but as she takes the leather message pouch and
lays it on the back wheel, the employer insists
she cover the spokes with a hub cap. It annoys her
a bit but she complies because she thinks the job
will be fun and she can see the sense of it. After
all, it would not be safe to let the bag get
caught up in the spokes when she s driving. So she
takes the pouch with the papers inside to her
destination. When she gets there, there are forms
to fill out and she has lots of difficulty getting
this done.
** Wargames by Ken - Fri 3 May 1006 [ED- Is there
some Time Travel involved here??]**
We are undergoing wargames. The female leader -a
corporeal?- realizes that if we gather and
concentrate all our forces we can raid the enemy's
compound and take their records!
Interpretation: An interesting take on the Amazon
theme. There's the corporeal/corporal pun; I'd
once had sex with a female artillery Lt. She'd
told me that I wasn't a jerk like all the rest! A
pleasant enough one-night-stand, many moons ago.
The raid is daring, but eminently feasible. It's
almost an intelligence-gathering operation, but by
attacking their bureaucracy we'd be gaining their
information and depriving them of it as well.
Neat.
This is also a riff on the hoary cliche of the
battle of the sexes...
** Kundalini by Ken - Sat 4 May 1996 **
In a movie theater high school couples are
watching a black and white science film of feces
moving through the digestive system. The film is
full of texture and fine detail, and all of the
couples are cuddling. Suddenly one of them is
attacked form behind by what looks like the
tingler from the old Vincent Price film! First it
attacks the man, who screams, and then the woman
screams, and then it turns them both into
skeletons. Soon the entire theater is screaming,
and then it's a theater full of skeletons.
Then as if in a classroom five or six Cinema-Scope
scenes from the June summer releases are compared.
All epics, each scene has the same design
elements. Set in different historical eras, the
same massive column- or colonnade-design elements
appears in the same place on the left side of the
screen. In one epic the Pharaoh is giving Moses
and the Israelites a spectacular send-off out of
Egypt on their journey across the Sinai to the
Promised Land, and the hero's sidekick is leaning
nonchalantly against one of the pillars!
Interpretation: Jesus H. Christ! The Kundalini
makes its appearance, and with a vengeance! Can
you say "projection"? Sex and shit, shit and sex,
the palaces of pleasure raised in the places of
excrement. Yeats. The homocidal vertebral
column, the Shakti, the rod that supports us -
damn, I'm bitterly envious of all the easy lovers
I see. Sex and death, too. The Teenager from
Outer Space, too. Species, too. (Prill rips the
spinal cord out of /her/ competition while she's
on the toilet.) The sex-and-death of splatter
flicks, too.
Cut to a manic, epic defense (like Churchill's),
and an analytical defense, and a buddy-system
defense (and he's leaning against a phallic
column!). A cheery send-off from the Pharaoh___
from gray-scale shit to Technicolor shit!
(However, a friend points out that the second half
of the dream does have a broader scope. There's
the variation of a theme on a grand scale, and
it's suggestive of reincarnation. 5:6 crops up
again. Just because it's grandiose doesn't mean
it's not true.)
** Samsara by Ken - Tue 6 May 1996 **
I am replaying some sort of impossible game which
involves drinking what may or may not be cyanide-
laced water (can I expel the gas from my lungs?),
breaking into an underground industrial complex,
holding people hostage with a pencil, picking a
lock before I'm shot down, and I've never escaped,
but I keep playing the game.
Interpretation: Samsara, the wheel of birth, life
and rebirth as a video game. There's also a
female companion here, whom I rescue before being
shot down in the hallway or by the locked door at
the end of the hallway. I seldom dream of being
chased, but here it is, and it's cyclic.
** My first lucid dream by KC (960513) **
Now, in case you do not know, a lucid
dream is a dream in which you know that you are
dreaming. In these dreams, one can control
anything he or she desires. Here is my first lucid
dream. After it I have been trying (with no
success) to induce others.....
I am on top of a car heading
somewhere on an interstate. My senses are fading
in or out. I hear a sound of wind or a sinister
laugh or something else as the car seems to move
along, yet I feel no movement. I am tired, but
realize I am dreaming. I still feel tired, but I
must prove to myself that I can control the
experience. I look across the road and I see a big
18-wheeler. I reach my arm across, and, even
though I don't touch the vehicle, I can feel it
against my hand. All of a sudden it lifts into the
air and blasts off. I willed it to.
KC
** Tamil Neruda by Ken - Sun 5 May 1996 **
Someone is wearing a white tie with green script
that says "Tamil Neruda" down the center. It has
green piping.
Interpretation: Pablo Neruda, the Chilean poet,
and Tamil Nudal, the Indian state, and _The
Interior Landscape_, an anthology of Tamil love
poetry... And it /would/ be a great idea for a
tie!
** "Tornado Dreams" by "S" (960513) **
I thought of an old recurring dream of mine that I
could write about --especially for this season of
the year and all the movies being made about the
subject. I'll write briefly about my Tornado
dreams.
***************
For many many years I had a recurring nightmare in
which I would be chased by tornadoes. The start
of the dream would vary. Sometimes I would be in
my house or at the office or in another location
when I became aware of storms brewing. I would
hear about the impending stormy weather from TV or
radio; or I would look out a window and watch the
clouds gather.
I would always see the initial tornado form and I
would be filled with fear and dread. For some
reason, I never sought shelter or hid in a closet
from the storm. I tried to outrun it usually in
my car, but as soon as I put some distance between
it and me another tornado would form in front of
me or off to the side of me and I would panic
again. I never had a passenger with me or a
friend to brave the storm with.
About 5 or 6 years ago, I had the tornado dream
again. I could hear and feel the chill wind and
rain blowing my clothes and hair as I ran to find
my car. I thought I'd never remember where I
parked it and half of the dream was a frustrating
search for a dream car I had never seen and which
was unfamiliar to me. Finally I found it -- I
just knew it was my car. But, then I had to
fumble in my purse for the keys. I was a nervous
wreck.
Finally, I was leaving the parking lot just as the
huge tornado loomed over the horizon. I drove as
far as I could, but the car was low on gas. The
more fearful I was of running out of gas, the
faster the gauge went to E. The car stalled near
an old fashioned shopping center. It was a row of
shops about a city block long and all the
storefronts faced the street I was on.
It was black and dark and I could hear the roar of
the storm. All the shops were closed and it was
about 11 o'clock at night. I ran and ran till I
was out of breath. The storm was only about 100
feet behind me! I couldn't run any more. I fell
to my knees and in surrender I accepted my death
and trusted God with my soul.
The tornado was fast, but when it was almost on
me, it skipped over me! The funnel went up into
the air, then touched down on the other side of
me! It was such a powerful dream and the relief
and peace that followed it is hard to fully
describe or put into words. It was a revelation;
a transformation; a healing of deep wounds. That
was the last tornado dream I've had since that
encounter.
*************************
Maybe you can use it. It is a simple dream, but
had deep meaning to me.
** Grey Eyes by Anthony (960503) **
I ve been reading the dreams that have been sent
to me. I haven t got round to sending any proper
dreams yet as I keep leaving my dream book at home
(I am writing from the University IT center).What
I would like to know is what is normally
associated with a part of one of my dreams.
I am attracted to a pair of grey eyes in my
dream, I can't seem to look away from them. I can
feel that I am being pulled in towards them and
that I am not afraid to let this happen, I think
I'm curious of what is in there.
It just so happens that the girl I am seeing at
the moment has the same colour eyes, but I am wary
about getting too serious with her as I have been
in that situation before with another girl. Antony
==Commentary by Narcissus on "Gray Eyes" by
Anthony (960507)==
> What I would like to know is what is normally
associated with a part> of one of my dreams.> > I
am attracted to a pair of grey eyes in my dream, I
can't seem to> look away from them. I can feel
that I am being pulled in towards> them and that I
am not afraid to let this happen, I think I'm
curious> of what is in there.> If this were my
dream, I'd first look at my associations w/ grey.
Being a little older than the dreamer, I associate
grey w/ grey hair, which leads me down the path of
aging and death. I'm both attracted and repelled
by death.
This leads me to think about what "grey" is: a
combination of black and white. Therefore grey is
the blending of polar opposites. I'm both drawn
in and repelled by what I see.
The dreamer mentioned that his girlfriend has grey
eyes and is reluctant to get too involved w/ her.
Yet the dream ego is curious and unafraid. If
this were my dream, I'd consider sharing it and my
fears w/ my girlfriend so we could jointly look
for a resolution.
I hope these thoughts are of use to you.
Narcissus
** "Three Strikes, You're Out" by Nutcracker
(960520) **
My friend Nancy and I were outside her house (not
her real house). The house(a two story) was of
dark gray stone or slate with white trim. There
were 2-3 steps to the doorway. They appeared to
be damp. She wanted a cigarette and I took out a
lighter (I don't smoke) to light it for her. Just
then her cat (it was actually my brother's cat
Figaro, black with white paws and chin)jumped
between my arms and my lap and I dropped the
lighter. We try again and again I fail to light
her cigarette. As my friend and I are in a
squatting position near the steps, I try a third
time and as I get the lighter lit, the cat jumps
into my arms and starts climbing up to my
shoulders, extending the entire length of its body
(front kitty paws to back kitty paws) across mine.
My friend's bulldog (she doesn't actually have
one, but wants one) knocks me over and I fall
down, dropping the lit lighter. I brush the cat
with my hand to make sure she hasn't caught on
fire. There is also a group of children playing
nearby (or in the background).
(Comments from Nutcracker: I was having a
discussion with a friend on religion the day
before I had this dream. He had sent me a note
regarding the frequency of the number 3 in my
dreams. He mentioned it could represent the Holy
Trinity. The following are his comments regarding
the above dream:
<< I find it interesting that you could not get
the lighter lit. If indeed the flame does
represent the Holy Spirit, this will be delicious
fodder for the analysts. It seems like the dream
reflects your possible uncertainty about religion
in general. You are trying to light the flame, yet
obstacles are in your way i.e., cat, bulldog and
possibly the children in the background on a
subconscious level. They are obstacles, yet they
are things which can be controlled by you. Thus,
you could be 'inviting' these obstacles so as to
add to your overall religious uncertainty. Add
support to your doubt? Remember, I am not a
dream analyst, I only play one on the net. Do not
try this at home.>>
** ANIMAL ISLAND
by SenSeneca (960512) **
There are two islands, close to each
other, separated by no more than about half a mile
of ocean. I live on one of them, in the only old
farm house standing on it. The other island only
contains stables and is populated exclusively by
cattle, some sheep, some cows, one horse, all of
them friendly, especially the horse. I have to row
over in a kind of small barge to get food, hey and
grass and cabbage, to all the animals, as there is
nothing growing on their island. My first passage
in the barge is not difficult, but when I arrive I
discover with unpleasant surprise that it is
empty, I have forgotten to put any of the food
into it. I hastily return and set out for a second
crossing. This time the passage to the neighboring
island is more difficult, as I have lost the oars
and have to propel the little barge by my naked
hands. This works fairly well, but a
little too slow I feel, thinking of the waiting
hungry animals. When I arrive, my boat again is
empty. I am very disturbed about that and step out
to comfort the cattle by telling them that I
will return for a third time shortly. The horse
approaches me friendly but a little reproachfully,
leaning its head against my shoulder and I stroke
it gently.
My third return to the animal island
somehow is even more difficult and slow. And
again, upon arrival, I find that the barge is
totally empty. This is completely incomprehensible
to me, but I have no time to be puzzled and
disturbed. For this time the animal island has
come to hostile life. It is not the suffering
animals, who become hostile. Their island is
suddenly populated by medieval soldiers, rogues,
wild and primitive men, with weapons, mainly
sticks and raw clubs, out to take revenge for my
failing deliveries, definitely with an intention
to kill me. I manage somehow to escape to my own
island with my farm house. But there they catch up
with me, are upon me, almost get me. Then I detect
a hole in one of the old clay walls of the house
and swiftly disappear into it, hiding in the
hollow wall. For a moment I experience great
relief, as my escape has remained unnoticed by the
wild men, and I hear them noisily run past
the wall in pursuit of me. But then what seems to
have been my rescue from destruction turns into
sheer horror: The inside of the hollow wall, where
it is pitch-dark, seems indeed to consist of a
sticky, pitchy matter, slimy and somehow
slowly moving. It turns out to be the inside of a
carnivorous plant which is slowly sucking me in. I
gradually sink down deeper into the narrowing,
clutching hole, certain that I will be devoured
and dissolved by the acid juices beginning to ooze
out from it.
SenSeneca [May 12, 96]
** "Breaking the Ice" by Anita (960422) **
And now my dream story, seen three nights ago:
There is a block of ice in my bathtub. I scrape
its surface, I know that there is something
inside. Then I remark that there is a crevice in
the ice. I push my finger in the crevice, it
grows wider. Suddenly the block breaks in two
pieces and I become a little bit alarm, that I
have done something wrong. A man emerges from
ice. He is H. I awake. "H " is my lover for
seven years, and a writer too. Our relationship
has been stale for year or so. After awakening
I thought that perhaps something is going to
happen in the relationship in near future. Just
now when I was writing the dream in English (I am
Finnish) , it occurred to me that the block of
ice means my writer's block. After my latest
novel ( The John's'Confessions,1995) My creative
imagination has been blocked for an year. I have
been sterile and depressive as always when I have
written a large novel.
==Commentary on Anita's "Breaking the Ice" by
Shadow (60426)==
If this were my dream...
There is block of ice in my bathtub. This ice, so
cold and rigid encases something. Here in the
bathroom--it is such an intimate place of my
home/life. What is it that is in the ice? My
lover. I really don't have to exert much effort to
get H out of the ice. My "Breaking the Ice" speaks
of relationship issues. I push my finger into the
crevice in the ice and find that it easily breaks
into two pieces. Yet, I am fearful that I have
done something wrong.
The dreamer's related waking life info definitely
influences one s commentary. I agree that this
dream is connected with the writer s block that
the dreamer is experiencing. Yet, I do not see a
direct link (ice=block). From personal experience
I know that sometimes trouble, or perceived
trouble, with relationships, and/or life can
block" a writer's muse or the flow of material.
I would be more inclined to see the dream as a
rather straight forward indicator to the dreamer's
concerns about the relationship with H. Of
course, only the dreamer knows for sure.
** The Jazz Dream by Jesse **(960422)
It all starts with my friend James, a chick, and
me trying to get into an 18+ (we're under 18) club
to see a band. James and I wouldn't have problem
since we are so close to being 18 but the girl
might have trouble. Luckily, we make it in,
though. We have a grand time watching some band
while drinking tea and coffee but then we hear
that Can is playing at Mama Kin(since we were at
Axis; both of the clubs are on Landsdown/Ted
Williams St. in Boston) so we end up going over
there. Thing is, they have instruments but no
band. The people of Mama Kin ask us to play.
After a little pressure and delaying, we finally
decide to play. I take bass but I don t know
about anyone else. Forgetting how to play, I just
strum the E string feeling the power and
reverberation of the bass. I get annoyed with
that though, beginning to try the one blues thing
I know but I can't seem to do it. Sometime later,
this drunk guy starts to babble complete nonsense.
No one can understand. I cannot remember the
exact words. Eventually, he asks a bunch of us to
come outside to see a piece of graffiti he made on
the wall. It was a really descriptive eye from
the eye to the muscles around the eye. He keeps
on babbling, that drunkard, but this time, I start
to understand his drunk insane babbling about
jazz, life, and everything else. It was all very
Neal Cassidy/Dean Moriarity like. Too bad that's
when my father woke me up to move furniture.
Until Next Time, Jesse
==Commentary by Tom on "The Jazz Dream"==
"I just strum the E string feeling the power and
reverberation of the bass."
Why do I get the feeling this kid has a goatee, a
thin moustache, a beret and dark glasses on?
[ED- I feel this comment is made "tongue-in-cheek"
as a humorous observation. However, the point it
brings up is a key one to understanding dreams.
Some dreams are complementary to our lives
(extensions of what we do and have) while others
are supplementary to our lives (reflections of
what we lack , oppose or desire). Reflective of
our waking reality or not, the dream shows a
concern by the dreamer regarding the values
represented . Through dreams, our "inner self"
brings the concern to our waking consciousness
"outer self". BK]
** The Roof God and Uncle Joe by Shadow (960422)
**
I am at the hospital where I work. A God (Demi-
God?) and a woman have a great flying battle
across the roof of the building. Along the line
that they travel the roof is tore up pretty bad.
It is raining and subsequently there are leaks all
over in the hospital. I am walking along inside
the building and run into a maintenance worker I
know. He asks about the leaks and I tell him I
know nothing even though I know exactly what
happened. He says something, I think, about a
female administrator at the hospital.
Now I am at my parents' old house in Toledo, OH.
It seems there is some sort of family gathering
going on. I am seeing people I haven't seen in
years. I am shaking hands and greeting people
when I hear someone say the Uncle Joe is here or
is coming here soon. I ask around because I do
not see him anywhere. Someone, not a family
member, takes me outside. I am told to wait by a
car that is parked in the backyard. As I wait I
look up and see the Northern lights. They are
very bright and vivid. I think to myself that
they should continue for some time since the
magnetic storm that is causing them must be very
bright. I go back to the car. I am getting sick
of waiting. I get into the passenger seat and
start calling out for Uncle Joe. I sense that he
is somewhere in the car, but is not answering for
some reason. I look at the dashboard and wonder
if he is under there somewhere. I think that I
either hear his voice or the voice of the person
who brought me out to the car, but I cannot recall
what this voice is saying.
Note: My Uncle Joe is someone who was a "favorite
uncle" when I was young. However, he moved,
several years ago, to Arizona and has only been
back once. He has totally isolated himself from
the rest of the family. The one time he did come
back he spoke of some very intense religious
beliefs that included seeing demons and angels.
** An Arrow Out of Nowhere by Sherman (960521) **
I'm standing alone on the steps of a building. An
arrow out of nowhere pierces my neck (my throat).
I'm bleeding and fall to the ground. I need help.
A friend appears. I tell him I must get to a
hospital. He tells me he doesn't have his car, but
he will help. He gets me to my feet, but I never
let go of my throat.
We find ourselves at a busy bus terminal. Yes, of
course I think, the bus will take me to the
hospital. But as we approach each bus, we miss it
by seconds and it drives away. We run for many,
but we just keep missing them. Finally, in
exhaustion, my friend says - we will walk, but I
will get you there, As we start to walk, I
collapse.
==Commentary on "An Arrow Out of Nowhere" by BobC
(960526)==
The dream appears to be concerned with failed
communication. The arrow pierces the dreamer in
the throat, where the vocal cords are located. A
friend tries to help the dreamer, but instead of
taking the dreamer to the hospital he takes him to
a busy bus terminal. The message here may be that
friends can only help re-establish communication
to a small degree. It is up to the dreamer to
"catch the bus." The dreamer, however, keeps
missing several buses (i.e. opportunities to re-
establish communication).Possibly, this conclusion
of the dream may indicate that it is already too
late to improve the conscious situation symbolized
by the dream. If the dreamer disagrees with the
above interpretation, then it is wrong. Only the
dreamer knows. Bob C.
'What we do in dreams we also do when we are
awake: we invent and fabricate the person with
whom we associate - and immediately forget we have
done so.'
FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE
** Snake Hater's Dream by fuzz (960529) **
My dreams are quite brief but very intriguing to
me. I am a 17 year old male and deathly afraid of
snakes. I am not quite sure what has lead me to
be frightened by them because I have had no prior
experiences that would make me feel this way about
snakes. In my recurring dream there is nothing
that leads to the situation...in most cases I am
sitting on my bed in my old home 1500 miles from
where I am or sitting on my bed in my current
home. In both dreams, I am holding a rather large
rattlesnake by the neck with a firm grip of my
right hand. I know the colors of the snake and I
can seethe colors of my bed spread. What I find
odd is that I am not scared of the snake what-so-
ever, that is, because I am sitting on its tail
(its rattles). As I hold the shake close to its
head I remind myself not to get up because the
sound of the rattles would frighten me. Although
I don't want to, I know I have to get up and
dispose of the snake outside...this means I have
to get off its rattles and can no longer sit on
them. In my dream, every time I get up to take it
outside, it begins to slip down into the middle of
my fist and bites me on the outside of my hand
between my index finger and thumb. And every time
my hand begins to foam and froth uncontrolably and
the snake pokes its teeth in harder and harder
till it turns to a golden powder and spreads on
the floor around my feet. At this point the wound
is gone except for 2 puncture holes where the
snake bit me. Then I wake up. I don't know what
this means seeing that I have fatal fright of
snakes. Please help me understand this.
** The Gnome of Depressive Death by metacog
(960603) **
There had been an accident, a simultaneously
obvious and secret accident that had effected the
entire world by turning the entire place into a
dusty farmland. The harsh stillness that followed
the man-made catastrophe reminds me of media
portrayals of the world after nuclear holocaust.
The United States politically identified itself
and its boundaries as Australia and New Zealand.
(I don't know exactly what those words of the last
sentence mean; they were "given information" as I
became aware of the dream while I was sleeping.
In the dream, lived in a shack with the family
that I was born to. Down wind from where we lived,
about a half mile away, was our barn, which housed
horses and cows, each animal in an isolated stall.
CUT TO CHANGE OF BEING
I am my (in real life non-existent) sister and I
have just gotten out of jail. Her friend, Annie,
has come to pick her up and to take her to a small
restaurant so that she can learn to cook. I
(through my sister's eyes) notice that the
restaurant is empty; it is dawn, and Annie asks
them to show me how to make jam. This is a Mexican
food restaurant, and the girl who works there and
her father tell us to follow them. They take me
outside of their quaint little restaurant, where
there is the gynecological clinic for desert
whores I visited in another dream. Leaning against
the wall of the clinic, there is a bicycle. They
take the bicycle and we all get in a car and ride
to lush, morning farmlands.
At the top of a hill, they tell me to ride down
the paved hill and they will go ahead and video
tape my ride down. Although they act as though
this is a rite of passage, Understand that I am
being punished and humiliated. In everyone else's
mind, after all of this is done, I will understand
how to make jam. To these people, jam and
spirituality and money are directly related to one
another.
I push myself from the top of the hill and quickly
reach a speed that excites the life in me but
scares me nearly to fainting. But I know that I
don't faint. After all, this is only a dream, I
think to myself. I look ahead and think of the man
and his daughter and think of Annie, waiting at
the car, realize that there are no breaks on this
bike. I am worried that this may not be a dream
at all. It may be real, and I may collide with the
pavement. I think to myself, there will be an up-
slanted slope sometime. I just have to keep riding
until then.
After many hills and curves, I reach the upwards-
slanted slope that allows me to stop. I am sweaty,
bright red, and numb.
CUT TO CHANGE OF BEING (back to myself)
I hear that my sister and her brother (same
sister as in previous scene, brother I haven't
seen before) have gotten out of boarding school.
They have herpes, and it has gone to their brains.
They are depressed, mentally handicapped people
who need constant care. The parents are too much
in shock to care for my brother and sister and for
the farm and keep the animals and children locked
up for a while. I realize eventually that my
siblings are not being properly cared for and open
the door to their room.
My chubby, mute brother goes and sits down
somewhere. My sister says that she has something
to do. She looks very depressed and is moving
slowly.
CUT TO CHANGE OF BEING (I'm my sister again)
I walk through the sand and itchy grass to the
barn and climb up the ladder to where there is
feed for the animals. The weather is changing
every moment from rainy to painfully lacking
humidity, and the animals seem as though they are
dying. I feel sorry For them. I feed the cows a
poison that won't kill their bodies but will cause
their consciousness to shift out of their bodies.
I give the horses sedatives. I throw grain down
into the stalls. A little gnome comes by and
slashes the cows' wide white throats and hangs
them by their necks and suffocates the horses to
death.
As the gnome is running around doing these things,
I eat mass quantities of the horse sedative. I see
an evil glint in my eye and feel an evil haze
around me before my body fails and I lay down.
CUT TO CHANGE OF BEING (back to myself)
I am doing some carpentry work when I have a
strange feeling that my sister is in the barn,
where she has been told not to go. I am afraid
that she has killed the cows. She senses
depression and has killed depressed people and
animals in the past. I run out to the barn. I am
running as fast as I can, but I seem to be going
in slow motion. I get to the barn and see the dead
cows. Entropy hangs in the air. I go upstairs and
see my pale sister lying on the rotting wood
floor. She is not dead.
I carry her body to the shack where I live. I did
not notice that she was dead until I attempted to
give her some sort of first aid shot and felt how
rubbery her flesh was. I went to look for my
brother and the rest of the family. I saw my dog
dead on the floor. I knew that the parents were in
their luxurious, tropical-motif, tacky room. I
knew that they were dead lying straight in their
bed. My brother was dead as well.
I wake up.
Notes: I had this dream a few nights ago. I woke
up with a (surprise!) dead feeling all over me. I
knew that I had had another one of my "strange
dreams" and wanted to avoid thinking about it. I
couldn't avoid it. I had to write it down.
Although I have always been fairly good at
interpreting my own dreams, I have been having,
during the past three or four months, dreams that
are very grotesque and that I have disturbing
flashbacks of during the days and nights before
going to sleep. I am open to hearing any ideas you
may have about the meaning of this dream or any
aspect of this dream.
Thank you for being here. Life to you!
metacog
** "The Night of the Biting Zombies " by Peter
(960605) **
I had a strange dream. I dreamt about something
weird. I had no idea that it was a dream when it
happened. I was at an amusement park with
my parents and my sister. My sister(nine years
old) split off to the child care part. We were
having fun at the time but then we heard a message
on the loudspeaker. It said that there was a
zombie attack on the park (In my dream when you
get bit by a zombie you turn into one). Suddenly
everybody was scared and panicky. I rushed over to
the child care part to get my sister. When I
arrived, all the children were zombies and were
wandering around with blood all over them. Then I
saw my sister. She was a zombie too. I was greatly
angered and sad by all this. I knew I had to re-
kill the children so they wouldn't kill anybody
else. I snapped everyone s neck slowly while
crying for all the children. I slowly turned the
little heads until I heard a "CRACK". I saw a car
with keys in it so I drove it away until I saw a
group of adults. They were creating a trap for the
zombies. I helped them finish and I lured(sp?)
them in. We caught them and killed them one by
one. Then I woke up.
Please interpret this dream if you can. I give you
permission to copy it and distribute it legally.
Thank you!
==Commentary by Narcissus on "The Night of the
Biting Zombies " by Peter (960605)==
> I was at an amusement park with my
parents and my sister. My> sister(nine years old)
split off to the child care part. We were having>
fun at the time but then we heard a message on the
loudspeaker.
We're a family. We're at a place of fun (abet
somewhat artificial/commercial).The youngest
member of the family is split off from us.
>It said that there was a zombie attack on the
park (In my dream when you get bit> by a zombie
you turn into one). Suddenly everybody was scared
and> panicky. I rushed over to the child care part
to get my sister. When I> arrived, all the
children were zombies and were wandering around
with> blood all over them. Then I saw my sister.
She was a zombie too. I was> greatly angered and
sad by all this. I knew I had to re-kill the>
children so they wouldn't kill anybody else. I
snapped everyone s neck> slowly while crying for
all the children. I slowly turned the little>
heads until I heard a "CRACK". I saw a car with
keys in it so I drove it> away until I saw a group
of adults. They were creating a trap for the>
zombies. I helped them finish and I lured(sp?)
them in. We caught them> and killed them one by
one. Then I woke up.
This struck me as "Catcher in the Rye" in reverse.
Rather than rescuing the children, I'm having to
kill them.
In my dream, I'm having to leave my childhood
behind. The transition is very painful because
childhood is no longer living for me, it's become
a monster, but I grieve for its loss.
The adults around me become co-conspirators in the
ending of my childhood.
Though I can't go back to being a child, I'd look
for ways to honor and celebrate the beauties of
childhood and incorporate them into the man I am
becoming.
On an external level, I'd look to see whether my
sister seemed to be growing up too fast. Has she
lost her joie de vivre?
I hope these thoughts are of use to you.
Narcissus
** Leaf blowers and fast music by
Vorphalack (960605) **
Ok, a little background. I was sleeping on my
bed while a friend was using my computer in the
same room, and there was a floor fan blowing on
me. The manager of my apt. complex woke me up this
morning with a leaf blower.
I dreamt that I was in a large desk drawer
which is slightly ajar, looking over two
magazines. I forget what they were exactly, and
there were two VHS tapes in the drawer that I
looked over. One was the "The Little Engine that
Could" and I forget the other. Then the person who
was typing on the computer on top of the desk
opened the drawer and said "Who was that guy who
starred in "The Crow"? (Brandon Lee) To which I
answered "I dunno. I think it was some Sean guy."
He said thanks and closed the drawer.
Then I had a false awakening in which I woke
up in my bed and saw hornets beginning to swarm
out of a empty wall socket on the wall beside my
bed. (in reality, the socket isn't empty) They
swarm around my head as I scream and then I have
another false awakening in which I sit straight
up, and scream again. I then notice that there are
TWO fans trained on my bed instead of one, and
making a weird harmonic buzzing sound, which I
take to have been the hornet sounds. (in
actuality, the one fan I have would be enough.)
Then I get up and suggest to my friend on the
computer that we go out and do something tonight
because I don't have any finals for a couple of
days. I grudgingly admit to go to one of the
"raves" that's going on tonight (I've never been
to a rave around here, but I doubt they're
anything more than a laser show set to some dippy
pre-mixed techno and hip-hop) I thought it was odd
that there was a rave somewhere when it's finals
week, but he assured me that there was one every
night of the week. So we walk to this large
building in the middle of some field all the while
describing to him what a "real" rave was like.
When we get there, I don't even see a smart bar.
So we're walking down this long building, and
then this rather tall woman with frizzy light
blonde hair, wearing a bright yellow dress comes
up beside us holding a camera and several other
pieces of electronics, one of which I see is a fax
machine. She says "Is there anything going on
here?" I answered "I'm not sure, we're just
getting here ourselves", when I suddenly look up
and there's a textbook perfect rave scene with
about ten or so ravers going spastic with a
backdrop of strobelights and fast music. Then four
drab looking girls come by to talk to my friend (I
think they were goths) and I go off to explore one
of the side rooms. In the room I find about 5-10
people sleeping on mats, despite the scene
outside. I pass into another room and find the
same thing. Then I walk back out into the main
room and find that the tall woman has set up her
fax machine along with some other office
equipment, and seems to be doing a live broadcast.
I run past my friend and his companions and
jump out the door. From now on I'm jumping instead
of walking, dodging skateboarders who seem to be
everywhere. I see that in the parking lot there
somebody like myself who is doing backflips
instead.
I bound through the field, when a large black
man in a sergeant's uniform begins running beside
me and asks "what drugs are you on, anyway?" To
which I respond "nothing! It's a natural high!" As
I continue leaping through the field. He grabs my
arm and says "please, regain your senses. You must
come with me." And I notice that we're surrounded
by a triangular formation of cannon things
pointing towards the center. The sides were
colored yellow, blue, and red. I turn to the
cannons and command them to take aim on the
sergeant, who protests loudly. Then I break free
and order the cannons to fire. Nothing happens. He
makes a few idle threats, to which I just laugh as
I adjust the aim of the closest three cannon
barrels. Then the cannon things remove their bases
to reveal troops with no expression on their
faces. A stereotypical mad scientist then enters
the triangle, joins the sergeant, and insists that
I go with them. Then I grab one of the cannons and
look it over quickly. I notice a large on/off
switch. (much like the fan in my room) I then
order the zombie soldiers to turn the switch and
then fire. The cannons turn out to be powerful
leaf blowers, and the two dream characters are
trapped within a vortex of air, each screaming at
me "You fool! You have no idea what you're doing."
I bound off through the field until I get to
a road and see that guy that plays "Richard" from
the series Caroline in the City riding around on a
small go-cart. He greets me, and then I blast him
full in the face with the leaf blower. His head
slams against the back of the seat and his face
looks like it's being pulled back due to high g-
forces while his hair blows around on his head as
if it has a life of it's own. He seems to like it.
He drives around in his little car making
exclamations of "yippee" and so forth.
That's when I woke up.
Vorphalack
** kittiwake by rob 2 (960611) **
i'm 11 again- it's a very unpromising
day; thick cloud and drizzle. i'm leading a group
of my brothers and cousins on to a Welsh beach. as
we walk I try to drum up some enthusiasm for the
escapade, their response is muted. I find a
"perfect spot" to lay down towels and busy myself
setting up camp. when I turn round, the other kids
are running towards the sea. I hear my brother
matthew's shriek as the waves slap his waist:
"it's freeeeezing!"
I quickly strip down to my trunks and
sprint for the sea. I brace myself for the impact
of the cold and dive straight in. to my amazement,
the water is blissfully, tropically warm. I rise
slowly to the surface. matthew sees the surprise
in my face and laughs, pleased with his little
deception.
the six of us begin to swim in a circle,
splashing each other and singing. suddenly, we are
joined by two old men(!) who behave as if they
were our grandparents: "how do you like school?"
they ask us "what do you want to do when you grow
up?" we humor them for a while but, one by one, my
companions dive underwater and swim away. getting
the idea, I take a deep breath and dive down.
minutes elapse before I reach the bottom.
on the sand I find a rusty metal object, I clutch
it in my palm and kick to the surface. one of the
old men hauls me back towards him by the seat of
my trunks. "you'll stay and talk to us, won't you
lad?" I shake my head- "I can't, I ve got to get
this key to shore" I open my palm and show him my
discovery. back on the beach I wipe and scrape
the key to a bright silver. I look out into the
sea-mist; I can't see the others, but I hear the
striking harmony of their song. (I wake up with
this song ringing in my ears- it vanished before I
could record it- in fact, the only word I now
remember was "kittiwake" !!!)
adios
** "Adult/Child" by Nutcracker (960603) **
LUCID O-O-B DREAM: I was in bed asleep yet at the
same time I was sitting at my computer (which is
in my bedroom). There was a thunderstorm brewing
outside(for real). My one self was lying in bed,
on my stomach, my face to the door, when from
behind me it felt like someone had crawled
(jumped) into the bed with me. I froze with fear.
My other self (at the computer) is sitting there
thinking, Maybe I should crawl down on the floor
and hide between the wall and the bed." I could
picture myself lying there on my back, my head at
the foot of the bed, and I could feel a presence
there as well. (960603))
** Alien & the Dimensional Door by
Princess Miyu (960614) **
BACKGROUND:: This dream took place at
approximately 11am in the morning. The alarm had
just gone off. I hit the snooze bar and fell
asleep immediately..
There is a large room with a wooden floor and a
small room adjoining it, no wall or door, just
attached onto the side of the first room. Along
the north wall there is a large window with
sunlight streaming in. Beyond the window, nothing
can be seen.
A group of four researchers are gathered around a
table, staring in horror and awe at what they have
found. On the ground and slightly behind them, is
a plate with something rattling underneath. No
one notices it. The researchers are two
females(f1, f2) and two males(m1,m2). Female
researcher 1( f1) is leaning over what appears to
be the womb torn out of a very large creature.
Inside the womb can be seen a fetus, having arms
and legs like a human, but large, black eyes that
bulge out of the sockets like a bugs. The womb is
covered in yellow bile, it seems, as well as a lot
of other sticky fluids. It is clear that the
fetus is dying. (f1) reaches into the womb and
pulls it apart, to get a better view of the fetus.
The other researches stare on in awe and disgust.
They are speaking, although for the life of me I
cannot remember what they are saying. (f1) covers
the fetus with the sides of the womb and proceeds
to walk away, headed for the door on the east end
of the room, next to the large window. She
disappears from sight, leaving the others to
watch. A tear of blood runs down the fetus' face.
Another infant, I am not sure where he came from,
is standing on the table at this point, looking
down at the alien womb. I hear a voice saying "I
will use this one to get what I want". A slimy
yellow/orange entrail reaches out and covers the
baby, who is now screaming and crying. The flesh
of the child melts away. The entrail continues
onward to grab researcher m1, whose flesh
dissolves in the same manner as the child's. The
other two researchers, f2 and m2 run away from the
being. The plate still clatters on the ground as
something lies under it.
The thing leaps off the table and turns to fire,
chasing the researchers across the wooden floor.
The floor is varnished to a fine shiny light tan
color and the walls are white. The researchers
run, deserting the white lab-coats they had been
wearing. The fire follows them. Body parts are
on the floor from the child and m1. Mostly hands
and feet. f2 disappears somewhere and m2 is left
to fight off this alien being.
Out of nowhere, in the middle of the floor is a
set of chattery teeth( those really obnoxious
teeth that click together and are a great gag at
parties). It chomps away and distracts the fire-
being. The fire comes to rest in front of the
chattery teeth. The teeth open wide and snap up
the fire-being in its jaws. m2, seeing his
chance, picks up the chattery teeth and throws
them into a mustard colored suitcase with three
locks on the front, two on the sides and one in
the center. He locks the suitcase and leaves,
running out the door. As he opens the door, he
steps into a green field, as in, nothing but green
can be seen, and disappears. The door closes.
The suitcase on the floor, meanwhile, is still
making noise as the chattery teeth resume their
"chattering". f2 returns to look at the suitcase.
Yellow ooze is seeping out her ears and she hears
a voice "Let me out". She reaches down to open
the suitcase..
And my stupid alarm goes off, nine min. after I
originally hit the snooze bar.
--Princess Miyu--
Hi Bob,
Richard told me to send my dreams to you if I want
to be a part of DreamWheel, so here's my first
one. [ED - See the ED V3N4 for a detailed example
& explanation of Dreamwheels. The dream is
included here as a contribution to Electric Dreams
- BK] I sure am impressed by what I've seen so far
about this Mailing List. Thanks! I have a
drawing that goes with this dream. Do you want me
to send it along in an attached file? Here's my
dream:
** THE NOSELESS MAN WILL DIE NEXT WEEK--Noreen-
- (960511) **
I'm walking through the park with a friend and we
stop and talk to thisfellow whose NOSE is wrapped
in a bandage. Actually his nose is gone
becausethere is a flat area where his nose should
be.
I know we've seen him before in the park, but this
is the first time we ve talked. Well, sort of
talked! He's FOREIGN and has his TRANSLATOR here
with him. The Noseless Man talks about how he has
much greater and different DEPTH PERCEPTION since
he lost his nose.
As if to demonstrate, now 4 people stand in front
of him, in line, one behind the other and he
'sees' in a new way. Then the Translator tells
us, "He ll DIE NEXT WEEK.." This matter-of-fact
statement shocks me, since The Noseless Man is
enthused about life and his progress with depth
perception.
The Translator senses my dismay, saying, "Oh, no,
he doesn't mind dying at all -- it's no big deal.
He's fine."
end of dream
FEELINGS: Shock/ awe
RECENT EVENTS: Been doing some potent
Body/Energy/Chakra work with my holistic Dr. Mike.
Feels like uncharted territory sometimes, and
scary. Yet I know really good things are going on
and I trust the process.
THOUGHTS: My sense is that some of my outer
sensing apparatus (nose) is taking a back seat to
my developing inner sensing. "The nose knows."
It s possible the #4 could refer to the top four
chakras, since they are the ones having to do with
'seeing' differently from mass consciousness
perceptions. What scares me a bit is dying to some
of my old familiar ways of viewing my world. The
dream may be suggesting there is no need for
concern. Go for it!
** Up the Down Canyon: Lizard's Tail Spins
by Island (9407XX) **
Here is a dream (July 94) I have thought of many
times because I cannot seem to fathom its meaning.
Then, when I read the dream "The Unicycle and the
Silver Lizard," I was reminded of it once again.
All names are slightly changed.
Dreamed Rod has me drop over one morning to play a
board game with James, Rod and Jerry. I am not
zealous to stay long so have already set the
parameters for 11 a.m. to return to work. I think
it is because I have the feeling Rod will start
drinking at some point, and I don't want to be
around for that. Anyway, they live in a huge
house, not an apartment, one of the old Victorian
houses found in older parts of cities. Quite
lovely. Now the board game is unusual. A game of
memory. The game board itself is handmade, each
section of the board handcarved and painted,
taking up an entire square dining table. Sort of a
combination monopoly/ scrabble/crossword puzzle.
The object is to place words in vertical or
horizontal rows, much like scrabble, but first we
must find the word appearing as an image or word
in a magazine held in front of us, representing, I
think, some past memory. Of course, the longer we
play, the more challenging the game because, as
the words are laid out, they must mesh. Each word
selected narrows the field for the next selection.
James really enjoys this game. I find myself
tested to the max. Rod walks out of the game early
on, without a word to anyone. I couldn't get a
reading on Jerry, whether he enjoys the game or
not. So I'm getting ready to leave the house since
Rod is not there, though he does return at some
point before I leave, smashed. In fact, James
opens a closet to show me, and there is Rod, so
drunk he hangs upside down in the closet like a
tie. James quickly closes the closet door, letting
him sleep it off, I suppose. Then James brings up
an oddity he has seen on TV recently. A woman by
the name of Laina has made a public announcement
that no one is to come near her. My curiosity is
piqued since Laina and I had been school friends
and so forth when I was growing up, although we
had never been close. I am closer to her gay
brother, though at the time neither he nor I knew
he was gay. He was my best and only friend. Now
this announcement is essentially that everyone is
to stay away from Laina because some televangelist
had contracted AIDS while in touch with her. It is
a lie, of course, but that's how it goes. Haynes,
her brother, has just died from AIDS. I tell James
all this, and comment how touched I am that Haynes
visited me while living in D.C. just before
getting ill (we had not seen each other in 15
years).
About this time, Tom, my gay first cousin, makes
his first appearance. (I had not met this cousin
until late 1989). He is to show me home through
underground tunnels. In the meantime he's telling
me of several girls he's seeing. As we're headed
to the underground, I tell him there's more to
life than making money, etc., and he's telling me
that's all there is to life. So underground, there
are several tunnels all heading to a turnstile.
Tom goes ahead of me, then disappears without a
trace. I'm furious, feeling both abandoned and
betrayed. One of the women defends him when I
arrive at the turnstile, telling me he would never
do either. But he's gone. So I return to James's
house.
Again I'm getting ready to leave when there's a
knock heard on James' front door. A couple with
smiling faces are holding onto this nude girl,
about 14 years of age. She's absolutely gorgeous,
with blonde white hair. I call James to the door
but just as James reaches the door, they have
turned this girl around and pulled her, kicking
and screaming, back to the car, where they then
disappear. James is visibly upset, explaining that
she is his Indian sister. There is tension between
her and James' father, so his parents ship her off
to a private school called the Nuns. And James
wants me to immediately leave for the TV/radio
station, to put in a public service announcement,
broadcasting the fact that his mother doesn't want
her returned to the Nuns. I am willing to
accommodate James, but I need more information.
More questions about the subject, however, do
nothing but tick James off. James ventures to tell
me how much he really loves her. Because of her
existence, he painted the Sistine chapel. She is
like a muse. Both rebellious and uncorrupted.
Now a social work type woman appears, discussing
the lighting in James' house. Something has
happened, and the lights are out. She is going to
see that they are reinstalled, free of charge. She
goes through great pains to tell James that his
house will be transformed with this new lighting
scheme, and the lights will be placed wherever
James wants them placed, in the manner of his
choosing, as a test. But, here's the catch. In the
same breath she's telling James it will be done
just as he wishes, all paid for, while she's
telling him the table has to go. When he hears
that, he's not interested in the lights or
anything of that nature. She leaves.
Now I'm off to the TV station to place James'
public service announcement for his Indian sister.
I walk in on a gathered crowd ready to hear a
media announcement just about to be made by this
scientist who's discovered a remarkable way to
generate energy. This announcement, similar to a
press release, has cost thousands of dollars, and
no wonder. The scientist appears in 3-D, literally
stepping out of the frame to speak about his
discovery as if he's literally present, though
he's not. It's like a projected holographic image.
Now the camera zooms to the spot where he made his
discovery. On the side of the Grand Canyon. In the
dream the Grand Canyon opens up just as if for
real. Awesome. I'm not looking down, however. I'm
seeing the walls of the Canyon. There is a lizard
crawling along the walls. No one has taken the
time to observe the lizard like this scientist.
What he discovered, and the camera zooms in, is
that the lizard's tail acts like the propellers of
an airplane, and this motion gets him anywhere the
lizard wants to go. He doesn't crawl; his tail is
like a stilt once it whirs, and it does so with
great force, so he, or she, is able to leap from
area to area from the tip of its tail. I see this
visibly. It is really incredible the energy that
is generated and the great distances that can be
traveled at a single bound, so to speak.
Now James and I are walking inside this tent
restaurant. Everyone eats outside at these long
tables for 30, 40 people. James has gotten his
little bowl of food, looks like mashed potatoes
and okra, and I have followed suit. James sits
down at the left edge of the head of the table. I
am next to James without a chair, so reenter the
tent to get a folding chair to return. James has
just been talking, again, about his Indian sister.
I wake up. (94.07.00)
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[ED - Nutcracker is in the process of setting up a
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site dedicated to her prolific dream progeny. We
still plan on including selected dreams in
upcoming issues, and welcome comments on
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in previous issues of Electric Dreams. For the
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